Current Luffy vs EMS Sasuke

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Posted by Gilateen (4558 posts) 8 days, 8 hours ago

Poll: Current Luffy vs EMS Sasuke (102 votes)

Current Luffy 44%
EMS Sasuke 56%
  • EMS Sasuke(Ninja War arc)
  • Both Start in Base
  • Location: Land of Wano
  • Starting Distance: 65ft
  • In Character
  • Canon Feats Only
  • No Knowledge/Prep
  • Win by Death or K.O

The 5th Emperor vs The Avenger begins Now.

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#3 Posted by jamkid23 (152 posts) - - Show Bio

What does EMS mean?

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#4 Posted by Dadpool (491 posts) - - Show Bio
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#5 Posted by Ivexio2 (135 posts) - - Show Bio

@jamkid23: Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan=EMS

OT: luffy

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#7 Posted by MattyBoi (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke.

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#8 Posted by shirso (4859 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke doesn't have the physicals to hang, and Future Sight will go a long way in helping him avoid most hax.

BM Naruto is a better matchup

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#9 Posted by AlexTheBoss (18890 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably Luffy due to future sight, superior speed, and superior physicals.

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#10 Edited by MoneyyJunee (1124 posts) - - Show Bio

Luffy probably

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#11 Posted by Gaoron (9547 posts) - - Show Bio

Luffy can one punch man him if he doesn't turn susanoo in time, and even if he does Luffy two punches him instead. Superior precog to defend against hax and way superior physicals give him the win here.

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#12 Posted by SkySanji (5580 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke gets ragdolled by base Luffy.

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#14 Posted by Dadpool (491 posts) - - Show Bio

Luffy slaughters.

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#17 Posted by deactivated-5d2b83d5a0d79 (12104 posts) - - Show Bio

Something finally happened in One Piece?!

Sasuke joined the Avengers? Cool!

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#19 Posted by Earendill (1491 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol.

Sasuke stomps.

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#20 Posted by LogicLancer (842 posts) - - Show Bio

Luffy should win.

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#21 Posted by Mr-Otaku (974 posts) - - Show Bio

Emosuke wins, unless the rubber dude has more impressive feats, i don't know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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#22 Posted by RuthlessKiller (1041 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke can apply enton on his susanoo to make sure luffy gets killed still. Sasuke.

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#23 Posted by cokirules (120 posts) - - Show Bio

Tricky one..

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#24 Posted by Woodward (612 posts) - - Show Bio

Stomp match.

-Sasuke vapes him with Enton. Luffy is already weak to fire.

-Luffy can’t breach Susanoo.

-Genjutsu oneshots

Sasuke stomps any OP character

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#25 Posted by Yray (711 posts) - - Show Bio

Luffy oneshots

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#26 Posted by LambSauce (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke spams Flame Control and subsequently melts the condom.

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#28 Posted by Hulkage (5383 posts) - - Show Bio

Luffy still has no answer for Amaterasu, Susanoo, or Genjutsu even though he out stats Sasuke in every area except speed where I'm not sure who has the decisive advantage because while Luffy has Future sight which is better for reaction and evasion I still believe Sharingan is better in combat situations and for awareness. Sasuke still wins because he has one shot tactics that he spams in character.

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#29 Posted by Son_of_Mori-jin (550 posts) - - Show Bio

@hulkage said:

Luffy still has no answer for Amaterasu, Susanoo, or Genjutsu even though he out stats Sasuke in every area except speed where I'm not sure who has the decisive advantage because while Luffy has Future sight which is better for reaction and evasion I still believe Sharingan is better in combat situations and for awareness. Sasuke still wins because he has one shot tactics that he spams in character.

Luffy can simply dodge amatarasu the same way AY did. Sasuke rarely used genjutsu in battle so that's out of character. How is sharigan better than future sight? The sharigan has been overwhelmed plenty of times in fact Sasuke has been manhandle plenty of times in H2H by people below Luffy in stats. He's not tagging Luffy and he can't any hits from.

Luffy stomps in gear 2

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#30 Edited by Hulkage (5383 posts) - - Show Bio

@son_of_mori-jin:

Sasuke has used Genjutsu in literally almost every battle he has been in post time skip how is it out of character? Sasuke has more ways of using Amaterasu than when he fought Ay due to flame control. The only people Sasuke fought post EMS were Madara, Juubito, and Kabuto, all of whom would borderline stomp Luffy. I said that Sharingan is better in combat situations and for overall awareness which it is. And that didn't even touch on Susanoo.

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#31 Posted by Adamantine (655 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke is faster he kept up Juubito and BSM Naruto.

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#32 Posted by Hulkage (5383 posts) - - Show Bio

@adamantine: I agree in combat speeds but idk about reaction

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#34 Posted by Streak619 (8177 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol @ precog defending against genjutsu. Sasuke has superior speed and the character to use genjutsu quite often, so that's a gg unless I miss something

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#35 Posted by Woodward (612 posts) - - Show Bio

@hulkage: with Sharingan precognition he reacted to juubito whose FTL. Luffy is massively hypersonic

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#36 Posted by Son_of_Mori-jin (550 posts) - - Show Bio

@hulkage said:

@son_of_mori-jin:

Sasuke has used Genjutsu in literally almost every battle he has been in post time skip how is it out of character? Sasuke has more ways of using Amaterasu than when he fought Ay due to flame control. The only people Sasuke fought post EMS were Madara, Juubito, and Kabuto, all of whom would borderline stomp Luffy. I said that Sharingan is better in combat situations and for overall awareness which it is. And that didn't even touch on Susanoo.

Actually looking bacc Sasuke does use it genjutsu it just never works so I forgot he does it. I never said he didn't have a variety of enton. I simply said he has no way of tagging him. Kabuto might beat Luffy with genjutsu aside from that he'd lose. Also madara and juubito both can stomp sasuke idk why u mentioned them. Once again how is it better? If I can see the future then I can react to someone whose even in my blind spot something the sharigan isn't capable of. Remember how izuna was killed by tobirama? If he could have seen the next move he would have been able to counter it. Future sight>sharigan. Susanoo got cracced by Ay and Tsunade Luffy has better striking feats than both of them.

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#37 Posted by Hulkage (5383 posts) - - Show Bio

@woodward: Juubito has no FTL feats that I'm aware of

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#38 Posted by LambSauce (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

@woodward: There are no FTL Naruto Characters. The God tiers caps at Relativistic+.

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#39 Edited by SkySanji (5580 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol at ftl Juubito, just lol also lol at Sasuke having any speed feats above even a Base Luffy.

And STOP comparing Sharigan precog to observation Haki let alone Future sight.

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Observation Haki let's you feel the presence of others and predict what they are going to do next

Basically what i'm saying is Sasuke, Itachi,Uchiha have to see their movements to use their Precog meanwhile someone can just be standing still and you can tell what they will do next with observation Haki

You can see how many people are around, Rayleigh used it to sense 500 creatures on the island.

It's even evident because it can be used while the eyes are closed and can even Dodge an attack while not looking at the creature and even knew where he would attack from.

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Observation Haki is in a completely different tier compared to the sharigan's Precog.

Then there is future sight which fodderizes Sharigan precog if Observation Haki didn't before.

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#40 Posted by Hulkage (5383 posts) - - Show Bio

@son_of_mori-jin: Perfect Susanoo, which is what Sasuke has, has not shown to be damaged by anyone in the series except Kaguya and the combined attack collision that Naruto and Sasuke used at the VOTE. Genjutsu worked against Danzo, Sakura, the tailed Beast, Deidara, and at the 5 kage summit. Only people it didn't work against was Killer Bee and Itachi, one was a Jinchuuriki (while he only had regular MS) and the other was the strongest Genjutsu user in the verse. And it's better because Luffy hasn't shown to be able to utilize it constantly in a CQC situation at MHS speeds while Sasuke has been able to do so while using it to chain together attack combinations. It also has better awareness due to the ability to see energy, xray vision, etc. Izuna was killed by the fastest Shinobi in the world at that time who also posses instantaneous teleportation. And I mentioned Madara, Obito, and Kabuto because you made the claim that characters who were below Luffy's level tagged Sasuke and I gave you the three characters Sasuke fought while in EMS and by your own admittance they would all stomp Luffy so you proved yourself wrong.

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#41 Posted by War_monger (68 posts) - - Show Bio

Luffy STOMPS him

& lol at sasuke being faster than Luffy or the sharingan even coming close to being compared to normal coO precog let alone future sight

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#42 Posted by Djoss (655 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke blitz and chop him with a chidori or enton sword.

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#43 Posted by Hulkage (5383 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: I clearly stated that Sharing was better in combat situations and no simply dodging an attack or two while not looking. In a H2H battle with someone as skilled as Sasuke, Luffy wouldn't get a hit in at all.

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#44 Edited by SkySanji (5580 posts) - - Show Bio

@hulkage said:

@skysanji: I clearly stated that Sharing was better in combat situations and no simply dodging an attack or two while not looking. In a H2H battle with someone as skilled as Sasuke, Luffy wouldn't get a hit in at all.

There is no way Sharigan is better in combat situations when Observation Haki is seeing what your opponent does before they even know.

Also what!? Rayleigh had his eyes closed nd back turned and still accurately knew what the elephant would do tell me when Sharigan precog has done anything on this level.

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#45 Posted by Hulkage (5383 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: Easy. Reacting to and predicting the movements of characters much faster than an Elephant.

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#46 Posted by Son_of_Mori-jin (550 posts) - - Show Bio

@hulkage said:

@son_of_mori-jin: Perfect Susanoo, which is what Sasuke has, has not shown to be damaged by anyone in the series except Kaguya and the combined attack collision that Naruto and Sasuke used at the VOTE. Genjutsu worked against Danzo, Sakura, the tailed Beast, Deidara, and at the 5 kage summit. Only people it didn't work against was Killer Bee and Itachi, one was a Jinchuuriki (while he only had regular MS) and the other was the strongest Genjutsu user in the verse. And it's better because Luffy hasn't shown to be able to utilize it constantly in a CQC situation at MHS speeds while Sasuke has been able to do so while using it to chain together attack combinations. It also has better awareness due to the ability to see energy, xray vision, etc. Izuna was killed by the fastest Shinobi in the world at that time who also posses instantaneous teleportation. And I mentioned Madara, Obito, and Kabuto because you made the claim that characters who were below Luffy's level tagged Sasuke and I gave you the three characters Sasuke fought while in EMS and by your own admittance they would all stomp Luffy so you proved yourself wrong.

EMS Sasuke does not have perfect susanoo that's a pure lie. He used tsukiyomi on danzo who completely talked about how trash it was and broke out ,he managed to use a basic one in the end due to danzo focusing on his sharigan eyes too much. That rinneshargian not EMS on Sakura, same with the tailed beast, his genjutsu didn't work on deidara it was literally nullified , he used it on few fodder. Also itachi isn't the strongest genjutsu user in the verse shisui is. Sasuke got stomped by killer bee in H2H , was getting ragdolled by at to the point he had to coat his susanoo in amatarasu to try and stop the onslaught , coudnt beat Kabuto in a h2h encounter and was effortlessly stomped by a one eyed Madara . His sharigan hasn't helped him when facing someone with superior stats or skills. Sharigan let's u see chakra that's it it doesnt have xray vision the byakugan has that.

I'm confused I never said they would stomp Luffy. U mentioned him keeping up wit them when it's not like it was a 1v1 when each was a group battle. In either scenario he'd get blitzed in a 1v1. Luffy would indeed lose to all of them due their abilities but that has nothing to do with the fact Sasuke has in character been manhandled multiple times in H2H by someone superior to him in skill or stats regardless of the sharigan

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#47 Edited by SkySanji (5580 posts) - - Show Bio

@hulkage said:

@skysanji: Easy. Reacting to and predicting the movements of characters much faster than an Elephant.

What kind of logic is this? It wasn't just any Elephant it was an Elephant who was faster than a gear second Pts Luffy in fact Rayleigh said Luffy couldn't beat any of the creatures on the island.

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#48 Posted by SkySanji (5580 posts) - - Show Bio

@djoss said:

Sasuke blitz and chop him with a chidori or enton sword.

Fanfic feats aren't accepted on this forum, Ems Sasuke would be hard pressed to beat Zoro

Also you are the same guy who said Kankuro and Gaara can beat Katakuri and Cracker

Third Raikage,Sakura and Lee can beat Luffy and Doffy

the list goes on, you are is clearly bias.

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#49 Posted by Hulkage (5383 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: You wasted all those words and my statement still stands. He still used Sharingan to react to and combat characters much faster than an Elephant

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#50 Edited by SkySanji (5580 posts) - - Show Bio

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@skysanji: You wasted all those words and my statement still stands. He still used Sharingan to react to and combat characters much faster than an Elephant

Concession accepted this arguement is fallacious, The elephant isn't a regular Elephant again A gear second/third Luffy couldn't hope to beat this thing let alone any of the creatures on the island as stated by Rayleigh.