@skysanji: Faulty comparison with the Rukia thing that you edited after I already responded to your comment. Bakudo 61 Rikujokoro binds the target and halts their movements, so no he shouldn't still be able move her like you're implying.
@skysanji: Zommari isn't capable of dodging it or anything. Also, why do you assume Zommari's ability won't go through Armament Haki when it affects through clothes etc? Aswell as Zommari himself saying his eyes take control of anything
With Speed equalized Luffy just Elephant Gatling gun's him if that's the case
No way that happens before Zommari controls some of his limbs.
Again he can't get pasted Luffy's Armanent Haki
Round 2 he just blitzes and oneshots him
Luffy isn't blitzing someone that was capable of outspeeding Byakuya on multiple occasions. Infact Zommari even states he has the fastest Sonido out of all the Espada
The same Byakuya who got blitzed by Ichigo keeping in mind this is only an arc Later....
Also feats>>>>><Statements Zommari is not faster than any of his higher peer or any top tier captains
I already went over why Armanent Haki is thicker than clothes full body suits in fact on Post #25
The likely reason Luffy's Grizzly Magnum didn't instantly turn to stone is because of how big it is.
Irrelevant since it's Shinokuni has a Huge Aoe as seen in the video
And here's his ability working on a Kido, don't try and tell me that it's a sentient being aswell
You would have to prove that his power actually worked on the Kido, Byakuya isn't an idiot why would he put a kido wall up if he knew Zommari could control it also Byakuya is explaining how Kido negates his attack on the bottom left for crying out loud
Did his attack not reach and affect the Kido yes or no?
Reach yes, now prove it affected it.
I never claimed he'd be able to move the Kido etc, that's ridiculous but the fact remains it did interact with the Kido, no reason it can't do the same with Armament Haki.
What!? Just because it can interact with it doesn't mean it can control Luffy's arm unless he gets passed the Armanent Haki
You can't prove it can control The Kido or Luffy's Armanent Haki coated arm
You would have to prove Zommari can control inanimate objects.
@skysanji: we both know that controlling senbonzakura’a blades isn’t equivalent to controlling energy blasts. Don’t play that game. The Haki armor can move, therefore it can be controlled.
As for the rukia’s arms part, byakuya was restraining her movement with his kido.
@skysanji: Zommari isn't capable of dodging it or anything. Also, why do you assume Zommari's ability won't go through Armament Haki when it affects through clothes etc? Aswell as Zommari himself saying his eyes take control of anything
With Speed equalized Luffy just Elephant Gatling gun's him if that's the case
No way that happens before Zommari controls some of his limbs.
Again he can't get pasted Luffy's Armanent Haki
Again Luffy doesn't have Full Body so he can easily get past it
Round 2 he just blitzes and oneshots him
Luffy isn't blitzing someone that was capable of outspeeding Byakuya on multiple occasions. Infact Zommari even states he has the fastest Sonido out of all the Espada
The same Byakuya who got blitzed by Ichigo keeping in mind this is only an arc Later....
Yeah and by that Logic, SS Arc Ichigo beat Kenpachi so Kenpachi in Hueco Mundo arc is fodder lmfao.
Also feats>>>>><Statements Zommari is not faster than any of his higher peer or any top tier captains
Blitzing Byakuya puts him above most of the Espada, especially since Byakuya is literally the fastest Captain, so yes his statement does hold weight.
I already went over why Armanent Haki is thicker than clothes full body suits in fact on Post #25
The likely reason Luffy's Grizzly Magnum didn't instantly turn to stone is because of how big it is.
Irrelevant since it's Shinokuni has a Huge Aoe as seen in the video
As seen in the video, the Shinokuni is only hitting the tips of Luffy's Grizzly Magnum since Caesar is using it as a fist, so it's not encompassing the whole area. Nice try dodging my point though.
And here's his ability working on a Kido, don't try and tell me that it's a sentient being aswell
You would have to prove that his power actually worked on the Kido, Byakuya isn't an idiot why would he put a kido wall up if he knew Zommari could control it also Byakuya is explaining how Kido negates his attack on the bottom left for crying out loud
Did his attack not reach and affect the Kido yes or no?
Reach yes, now prove it affected it.
The big Symbol on the Kido doesn't prove it affected it lol?
I never claimed he'd be able to move the Kido etc, that's ridiculous but the fact remains it did interact with the Kido, no reason it can't do the same with Armament Haki.
What!? Just because it can interact with it doesn't mean it can control Luffy's arm unless he gets passed the Armanent Haki
Again you're ignoring the fact that Luffy can only cover so much of his body with CoA, Zommari still wrecks him and you've yet to provide anything that suggests otherwise.
You can't prove it can control The Kido or Luffy's Armanent Haki coated arm
You would have to prove Zommari can control inanimate objects.
@limitlesssigil: Yes Kido is an inanimate object but you would have to prove he can control it or move it I again already told you why that's not possible since Byakuya isn't an idiot.
I already gave you an example on why he doesn't need full body Haki, if we are going to keep going in circles I won't respond to you anymore:
He can just do this using his Large hand as a shield and attack effectively or just Elephant Gatling Gun him which was going to destroy Noah
@ourmanuel: Luffy doesn't have Full Body Haki, apparently SkySanji is saying Grizzly Magnum is going to shield him, when theres nothing stopping Zommari from moving quickly behind the Grizzly Magnum and controlling Luffy's Head since we know Luffy using G3 Makes him much slower. SkySanji is just ignorant to any evidence that doesn't agree with him.
@skysanji: we both know that controlling senbonzakura’a blades isn’t equivalent to controlling energy blasts.
I didn't equate it to controlling Senbonzakura’s Blades I equated it to controlling Haki
Don’t play that game. The Haki armor can move, therefore it can be controlled.
Since When?
It’s literally just putting on armoir on his clothes. It can still be moved, just as senbonzakura’s petals could be too. I have a hard time believing that this wouldn’t be the case when the armor wasn’t able to nullify the Stone hax
As for the rukia’s arms part, byakuya was restraining her movement with his kido.
@skysanji: Yes, with speed equalized and Luffy using a G3 attack which slows him down, Basic Logic.
He's only shown Gear Stacking once and it drained him completely. If he used G4 then Zommari controls his head even easier since there's nothing blocking it.
Luffy isn't Blitzing someone who Blitzed Byakuya. Try again.
@skysanji: Yes, with speed equalized and Luffy using a G3 attack which slows him down, Basic Logic.
He's only shown Gear Stacking once and it drained him completely. If he used G4 then Zommari controls his head even easier since there's nothing blocking it.
So? He will pulverize Zommari instantaneously, I'd Say Gear stacking is Worth it if we go by your logic even though speed is equalized....
Wait but with your Logic Gear 3 slows him down so with Gear 2 and Gear 4 he should be faster and outspeed Zommari, No?
SPEED IS EQUALIZED NO MATTER WHAT
Base Luffy can go gear Second it doesn't matter SPEED IS EQUALIZED all it means is that he gets his striking power from Gear Second not the speed.
Luffy isn't Blitzing someone who Blitzed Byakuya. Try again.
Ss arc Byakuya got blitzed by Bankai Ichigo, this is an arc Later And The Captains did no known training....... Try again
Zommari is slower than any of the Espadas above him
@skysanji: SS arc ichigo blitzed byakuya twice and the first time was due to byakuya not knowing to watch out for ichigo’s bankai speed since he was still trying to figure out what it was, the second time was due to him being shocked that he knocked away all his petals and byakuya still reacted to his attack. The entire thing reeked of plot/plot armor and it never happened again during their fight. Plus slower characters like Toshiro were able to keep up with espada number 3.
@skysanji: SS arc ichigo blitzed byakuya twice and the first time was due to byakuya not knowing to watch out for ichigo’s bankai speed, the second time was due to him being shocked that he knocked away all his petals. The entire thing reeked of plot/plot armor and it never happened again during their fight. Plus slower characters like Toshiro were able to keep up with espada number 3.
I know but Luffy should be faster than that based on feats again he kicked Lightning Pre timeskip without any gears.
And Byakuya was getting wrecked by masked ICHIGO guess who high diffed Grimmjow....
Also I doubt Byakuya is blitzing Toshiro or any captains
@skysanji: Yes, with speed equalized and Luffy using a G3 attack which slows him down, Basic Logic.
He's only shown Gear Stacking once and it drained him completely. If he used G4 then Zommari controls his head even easier since there's nothing blocking it.
So? He will pulverize Zommari instantaneously, I'd Say It's Worth it....
Wait but with your Logic Gear 3 slows him down so with Gear 4 he should be faster and outspeed Zommari, No?
SPEED IS EQUALIZED NO MATTER WHAT
Base Luffy can go gear Second it doesn't matter SPEED IS EQUALIZED
That's not what Speed Equalized means, it means their Base Speed is equalized, any buffs or in this case debuffs, change that.
Luffy isn't Blitzing someone who Blitzed Byakuya. Try again.
Ss arc Byakuya got blitzed by Bankai Ichigo, this is an arc Later And The Captains did no known training....... Try again
Again by your Logic Shikai Ichigo is as strong as Nnoitra since Kenpachi who did no training beat him.
Zommari is slower than any of the Espadas above him
@skysanji: SS arc ichigo blitzed byakuya twice and the first time was due to byakuya not knowing to watch out for ichigo’s bankai speed, the second time was due to him being shocked that he knocked away all his petals. The entire thing reeked of plot/plot armor and it never happened again during their fight. Plus slower characters like Toshiro were able to keep up with espada number 3.
I know but Luffy should be faster than that based on feats again he kicked Lightning Pre timeskip without any gears.
Also I doubt Byakuya is blitzing Toshiro or any captains
Its so funny how you always bring that feat up, if you're just going to be ignorant then there's nothing stopping me from calling that feat an outlier.
@skysanji: Yes, with speed equalized and Luffy using a G3 attack which slows him down, Basic Logic.
He's only shown Gear Stacking once and it drained him completely. If he used G4 then Zommari controls his head even easier since there's nothing blocking it.
So? He will pulverize Zommari instantaneously, I'd Say It's Worth it....
Wait but with your Logic Gear 3 slows him down so with Gear 4 he should be faster and outspeed Zommari, No?
SPEED IS EQUALIZED NO MATTER WHAT
Base Luffy can go gear Second it doesn't matter SPEED IS EQUALIZED
That's not what Speed Equalized means, it means their Base Speed is equalized, any buffs or in this case debuffs, change that.
No, you are missing the definition the Op is equalizing speed for a reason he knows a character will be able to blitz so why do it if Goku can just go SSJ and remove that restriction? It's clearly there to make the fight fair, same thing as stats equalized
Luffy isn't Blitzing someone who Blitzed Byakuya. Try again.
Ss arc Byakuya got blitzed by Bankai Ichigo, this is an arc Later And The Captains did no known training....... Try again
Again by your Logic Shikai Ichigo is as strong as Nnoitra since Kenpachi who did no training beat him.
Ahh but your forgetting Kenpachi can unrestrict himself depending on who he is fighting as pointed out by Unohana who even brings up Nnoitra
Zommari is slower than any of the Espadas above him
Headcanon, by feats he's faster than any of them.
What feats? are you forgetting Byakuya was about to get killed by a masked Ichigo, guess who barely beat a ressurecion Grimmjow not to mention Starkk's grabbing Orihime and returning before Ichigo and Kenpachi can react what are you on about right now?
I know but Luffy should be faster than that based on feats again he kicked Lightning Pre timeskip without any gears.
That’s reaction
And Byakuya was getting wrecked by masked ICHIGO guess who high diffed Grimmjow....
That ichigo isn’t the same as visored ichigo. Ulquiorra mentions how ichigo’s reiatsu was greater than his when the hollow was taking over his mind during their first encounter.
Guess who helped mid diff espada 0
Also I doubt Byakuya is blitzing Toshiro or any captains.
Arrancar arc byakuya would most definitely blitz arrancar arc Toshiro.
@skysanji: Yes, with speed equalized and Luffy using a G3 attack which slows him down, Basic Logic.
He's only shown Gear Stacking once and it drained him completely. If he used G4 then Zommari controls his head even easier since there's nothing blocking it.
So? He will pulverize Zommari instantaneously, I'd Say It's Worth it....
Wait but with your Logic Gear 3 slows him down so with Gear 4 he should be faster and outspeed Zommari, No?
SPEED IS EQUALIZED NO MATTER WHAT
Base Luffy can go gear Second it doesn't matter SPEED IS EQUALIZED
That's not what Speed Equalized means, it means their Base Speed is equalized, any buffs or in this case debuffs, change that.
No, you are missing the definition the Op is equalizing speed for a reason he knows a character will be able to blitz so why do it if Goku can just go SSJ and remove that restriction ?it's clearly there to make the fight fair.
Luffy isn't Blitzing someone who Blitzed Byakuya. Try again.
Ss arc Byakuya got blitzed by Bankai Ichigo, this is an arc Later And The Captains did no known training....... Try again
Again by your Logic Shikai Ichigo is as strong as Nnoitra since Kenpachi who did no training beat him.
Ahh but your forgetting Kenpachi can unrestrict himself depending on who he is fighting as pointed out by Unohana who even brings up Nnoitra
Aka he got stronger because the Plot Demanded it, same with Byakuya, Same with every single one of the Captains. And also, if you're suggesting that Byakuya would get blitzed by Grimmjow, then you're also suggesting that Toshiro is tiers faster than Byakuya since he fought Halibel.
Zommari is slower than any of the Espadas above him
Headcanon, by feats he's faster than any of them.
What feats? are you forgetting Byakuya was about to get killed by a masked Ichigo, guess who barely beat a ressurecion Grimmjow not to mention Starkk's grabbing Orihime and returning before Ichigo and Kenpachi can react what are you on about right now?
They reacted perfectly fine to Starrk and proof that wasn't a form of teleportation? Again, trying to downplay Byakuya by saying he was getting killed by masked Ichigo doesn't mean anything, as others have said that was riddled with PIS and like Kenpachi he appeared massively stronger between the arcs, unless you're again suggesting that Byakuya is probably the weakest captain and miles behind either Toshiro or Kenpachi.
I know but Luffy should be faster than that based on feats again he kicked Lightning Pre timeskip without any gears.
That’s reaction
Luffy's leg would have to be moving at Lightning speed to kick the lightning bolt so it's combat and reaction,unless your saying anyone can see Luffy kicking lightning....
And Byakuya was getting wrecked by masked ICHIGO guess who high diffed Grimmjow....
That ichigo isn’t the same as visored ichigo. Ulquiorra mentions how ichigo’s reiatsu was greater than his when the hollow was taking over his mind during their first encounter.
Okay fair enough
Guess who helped mid diff espada 0
Helped also no context of the fight also Guess who smacked him as well a 50% Ichigo
Also I doubt Byakuya is blitzing Toshiro or any captains.
Arrancar arc byakuya would most definitely blitz arrancar arc Toshiro.
With what feats? He couldn't outspeed Zommari while Toshiro technically defeated Hallibel, saying "most definitely" is a little premature, No?
@skysanji: Expected tbh, Byakuya is the captain famous for his speed and apparently by your logic Toshiro could casually blitz Byakuya.
Never did I say that I'm saying, saying that Byakuya can "most definitely" blitz Toshiro is not factual, there are 2 sides to this read both before commenting....
@skysanji: funny how you think vice captains dodging light is an outlier
Shuhei dodging light is an outlier Because SS arc Ichigo blitzed a semi serious Bankai Byakuya that would mean Shuhei will blitz the ever living crap out of every single Captain on top of that we have Gin's bankai that it mach 500 and Post Ulquiorra fight full clothed Bankai Ichigo was barely dodging that
You do the math....
but luffy kicking lighting and kaskashi cutting lightning isnt
Luffy kicking lightning is consistent because we have Kalifa reacting to lightning but gets blitzed by a holding back Sanji the Monster Trio should be similar in stats not that it matters since Sanji was holding back, where did Kakashi come from.....
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