And i dont think he gets past espada number 7. He can control your nerves.
Cool Luffy just has to dodge like he's been doing in all of his fights prior to getting Observation Haki and Oneshot him, Read Op Luffy has Knowledge on them.
Round 1: speed is equalized but all Luffy needs is oneshot
Round 2: Luffy just blitzes the eyeballs out of him.
Stops at 13, Ulquiorra is fast enough to keep up and Luffy won't be tanking lanza. I think he can beat all the others through blitzing and taking them out with a gear 4 barrage like what he tried on Kaido. He can stop at Barragan as well if he doesn't beat him before getting aged to death.
I also disagree with Ulquiorra beating Luffy but it's not that bad seeing how I think it will be a high diff fight either way especially without Observation Haki
didn't Luffy almost drown in the rushing water before Wano? If' it's a lake worth of water being poured on him it should work. I agree the small jets wouldn't be enough though.
I also disagree with Ulquiorra beating Luffy but it's not that bad seeing how I think it will be a high diff fight either way especially without Observation Haki
He should at the very least win the speed equalized round due to just flying away while spamming ceros. In the round where speed isn't equalized I could see an argument for Luffy out pacing Ulquiorra and taking him down, but Ulquiorra has pretty good regen, so if Luffy doesn't take him down right away Uluqiorra would realize how big of a threat Luffy is and just AOE the entire area shooting cero oscuras in circles or flying up and dropping a lanza.
didn't Luffy almost drown in the rushing water before Wano?
No it was a whirlpool:
If' it's a lake worth of water being poured on him it should work.
No, Devil fruit Users can get Soaked in water and they can still fight
Here more than half of Crocodiles Body was covered in Water (which is the requirement for the weakness to take affect), its made evident since he wasnt able to transform into his Logia state at all again it has to be still water(Sbs volume 41 for reference)
So I don't see why a Lakes worth being poured on him would work.
I agree the small jets wouldn't be enough though.
I also disagree with Ulquiorra beating Luffy but it's not that bad seeing how I think it will be a high diff fight either way especially without Observation Haki
He should at the very least win the speed equalized round due to just flying away while spamming ceros.
OKay, I still think Luffy will chase him down and pummel him which he does in character
In the round where speed isn't equalized I could see an argument for Luffy out pacing Ulquiorra and taking him down, but Ulquiorra has pretty good regen, so if Luffy doesn't take him down right away Uluqiorra would realize how big of a threat Luffy is and just AOE the entire area shooting cero oscuras in circles or flying up and dropping a lanza.
And i dont think he gets past espada number 7. He can control your nerves.
Cool Luffy just has to dodge like he's been doing in all of his fights prior to getting Observation Haki and Oneshot him, Read Op Luffy has Knowledge on them.
Round 1: speed is equalized but all Luffy needs is oneshot
Round 2: Luffy just blitzes the eyeballs out of him.
Lol dued you cant dodge his attack as soon his eyes look at you its over.And exactly how fast is luffy. I dont see him keeping up with ulquora. And how stronge is he physically. One laza luffy is done if doesnt get blitzed
He Could stop at cifer R1. But definitely stops at Barragan in all rounds, his senescence hard counters any blitz attempt and would leave him wide open.
And i dont think he gets past espada number 7. He can control your nerves.
Cool Luffy just has to dodge like he's been doing in all of his fights prior to getting Observation Haki and Oneshot him, Read Op Luffy has Knowledge on them.
Round 1: speed is equalized but all Luffy needs is oneshot
Round 2: Luffy just blitzes the eyeballs out of him.
Lol dued you cant dodge his attack as soon his eyes look at you its over.
Scans? If so Luffy loses Round 1 at Zommari
And exactly how fast is luffy.
He's fast enough to kick lightning Pre Timeskip without any gears.
I dont see him keeping up with ulquora. And how stronge is he physically. One laza luffy is done if doesnt get blitzed
He physicals are above anything Ulquiorra has done, that's 100% a fact
@skysanji: luffy doesnt get past him lol. And kicking lighting doesnt give you lightning speed. Grimmjow could destroy large buildings with one nail. Ulqioru could casually cut down mountain size pillars in his 1st form so his physicals wont be problem
And a waterfall, plus a whirlpool is rushing water as well.
No, Devil fruit Users can get Soaked in water and they can still fight
I know, being soaked isn't the problem, being inside a large body of water is.
Here more than half of Crocodiles Body was covered in Water (which is the requirement for the weakness to take affect), its made evident since he wasnt able to transform into his Logia state at all again it has to be still water(Sbs volume 41 for reference)
So I don't see why a Lakes worth being poured on him would work.
You can't compare being splashed by water to having this much water being around you
Ya, after the water dissipates, Luffy will be fine, but if she attacks while he is encased in the water he will have a problem.
OKay, I still think Luffy will chase him down and pummel him which he does in character
If they are equal speed I don't see how he chases him down with Ulquiorra having more mobility.
@skysanji: armament Haki might not work here. Espadas also have hierro yet this attack would still work on them. It’s controlling the thing hits, so it’ll still control the armor
And a waterfall, plus a whirlpool is rushing water as well.
Luffy can't swim in general and again in Sbs Volume 41 Oda says it has to be standing water.
No, Devil fruit Users can get Soaked in water and they can still fight
I know, being soaked isn't the problem, being inside a large body of water is.
No, there is a scan I'll bring up later which I didn't want to go digging for
Here more than half of Crocodiles Body was covered in Water (which is the requirement for the weakness to take affect), its made evident since he wasnt able to transform into his Logia state at all again it has to be still water(Sbs volume 41 for reference)
So I don't see why a Lakes worth being poured on him would work.
You can't compare being splashed by water to having this much water being around you
Didn't want to go look for this scan but this should pretty much end this Hallibel debate:
Ya, after the water dissipates, Luffy will be fine, but if she attacks while he is encased in the water he will have a problem.
As seen in the Scan above Luffy will be fine as long as it's not standing water
OKay, I still think Luffy will chase him down and pummel him which he does in character
If they are equal speed I don't see how he chases him down with Ulquiorra having more mobility.
My point is Luffy can stretch and pummel him and Ulquiorra can't get distance since speed is equalized
@skysanji: armament Haki might not work here. Espadas also have hierro yet this attack would still work on them. It’s controlling the thing hits, so it’ll still control the armor
I see your point The only difference is Luffy is adding an extra layer or armor while the Espadas have that as their regular skin, Armanent Haki prevents Luffy from immediately being turned into stone while regular people with suits were getting turned into stone, even Zoro was running full speed from it
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This is also seen when Zoro coats his sword in Haki
@skysanji: but then we still see it turning to stone. And that’s assuming Luffy would even use it from the start.
Yes we see it turning to stone but not immediately like the guys wearing Suits so we know FOR SURE its an extra Layer
Op says he has knowledge, I'm sure he will use it at the start
Not to mention, it’s still on his body so Barragan should still be able to control it.
No it controls the nerves Byakuya cut his legs so it wouldn't effect him, Luffy can turn his Haki on and off to avoid this since Zommari can't get past his Armanent Haki
@skysanji: but then we still see it turning to stone. And that’s assuming Luffy would even use it from the start.
Yes we see it turning to stone but nit immediately like the guys wearing Suits so we kniw FOR SURE its an extra Layer
Slowly turning to stone=/= not turning to stone.
Op says he has knowledge, I'm sure he will use it at the start
Not to mention, it’s still on his body so Barragan should still be able to control it.
No it controls the nerves Byakuya cut his legs so it wouldn't effect him, Luffy can turn his Haki on and off to avoid this since Zommari can't get past his Armanent Haki
@skysanji: but then we still see it turning to stone. And that’s assuming Luffy would even use it from the start.
Yes we see it turning to stone but nit immediately like the guys wearing Suits so we kniw FOR SURE its an extra Layer
Op says he has knowledge, I'm sure he will use it at the start
Not to mention, it’s still on his body so Barragan should still be able to control it.
No it controls the nerves Byakuya cut his legs so it wouldn't effect him, Luffy can turn his Haki on and off to avoid this since Zommari can't get past his Armanent Haki
No true, Byakuya cut the tendons of his muscles so that they couldn't move, Luffy doesn't have Full Body CoA so he'll be vulnerable somewhere.
Stops at 4 with Speed equalized, Luffy has no knowledge on Aaroniero and since he's bloodlusted he'll go straight for the head.
You mean Zommari and read the Op again...
I misread but edited it already.
Still Luffy doesn't have Full Body so he can't protect himself completely against it.
Stops at 8 at best without speed equalized, Halibel drowns him.
No. It has to be still water as Oda has said in Sbs volume 41, this supports what he said:
No, in the scans you posted with Luffy and Crocodile, they were slightly covered in water, if they're drowned in it they'll be completely unable to move, case en point the Arlong Park arc where Luffy is drowning in the pool.
@skysanji: but then we still see it turning to stone. And that’s assuming Luffy would even use it from the start.
Yes we see it turning to stone but nit immediately like the guys wearing Suits so we kniw FOR SURE its an extra Layer
Slowly turning to stone=/= not turning to stone.
Again that doesn't prove he doesn't have an extra layer of skin why is it that he was slowly turning into stone while everyone even with suits turned into stone instantly
Op says he has knowledge, I'm sure he will use it at the start
Not to mention, it’s still on his body so Barragan should still be able to control it.
No it controls the nerves Byakuya cut his legs so it wouldn't effect him, Luffy can turn his Haki on and off to avoid this since Zommari can't get past his Armanent Haki
@skysanji: he destroyed them with one nail. And those pillers are moutian size according to you claiming a sussanoo is moutian in size. Ichigo also took five of those to the back. Most of the easpada are beyond lightning scaling from SS arc ichigo
How is his sword’s petals an extension of him? And zommari’s ability is stated to over power things, not just body parts. Proven by controlling senbonzakura’s petals.
How is his sword’s petals an extension of him? And zommari’s ability is stated to over power things, not just body parts. Proven by controlling senbonzakura’s petals.
Are Zanpakutous not an extension of the wielder I'm pretty sure it says this in a databook, Bleach characters are souls if you don't remember.
You would have to show me Zommari controlling a building or something inanimate.
@skysanji: they are souls yes, but their zanpakutos are still separate beings. Even then, the metal of the sword’s petals was still being controlled so it’s not like he was literally controlling another being. I can also say that the armor Haki is an extension of their souls too then.
@skysanji: they are souls yes, but their zanpakutos are still separate beings. Even then, the metal of the sword’s petals was still being controlled so it’s not like he was literally controlling another being. I can also say that the armor Haki is an extension of their souls too then.
There you have it.
Completely different they don't have another being or entity residing inside of their Haki
That's Like saying Zommari can control Goku's Ki or Kamehameha or Hiei's dragon of the Darkness flame or Yusuke spirit Gun or Naruto's Rasenshuriken
@skysanji: Before or after Zommari takes control of multiple of his limbs?
If he can get passed Luffy's Elephant Gun/Armanent Haki which is an extra layer which I went over in post #25 Which he will use as a shield and attack at the same time like this:
@skysanji: Zommari isn't capable of dodging it or anything. Also, why do you assume Zommari's ability won't go through Armament Haki when it affects through clothes etc? Aswell as Zommari himself saying his eyes take control of anything
And here's his ability working on a Kido, don't try and tell me that it's a sentient being aswell
@skysanji: Zommari isn't capable of dodging it or anything. Also, why do you assume Zommari's ability won't go through Armament Haki when it affects through clothes etc? Aswell as Zommari himself saying his eyes take control of anything
With Speed equalized Luffy just Elephant Gatling gun's him if that's the case
Round 2 he just blitzes and oneshots him
I already went over why Armanent Haki is thicker than clothes full body suits in fact on Post #25
And here's his ability working on a Kido, don't try and tell me that it's a sentient being aswell
You would have to prove that his power actually worked on the Kido, Byakuya isn't an idiot why would he put a kido wall up if he knew Zommari could control it also Byakuya is explaining how Kido negates his attack on the bottom left for crying out loud and even uses a kido to stop Rukia from killing herself:
@skysanji: Zommari isn't capable of dodging it or anything. Also, why do you assume Zommari's ability won't go through Armament Haki when it affects through clothes etc? Aswell as Zommari himself saying his eyes take control of anything
With Speed equalized Luffy just Elephant Gatling gun's him if that's the case
No way that happens before Zommari controls some of his limbs.
Round 2 he just blitzes and oneshots him
Luffy isn't blitzing someone that was capable of outspeeding Byakuya on multiple occasions. Infact Zommari even states he has the fastest Sonido out of all the Espada
I already went over why Armanent Haki is thicker than clothes full body suits in fact on Post #25
The likely reason Luffy's Grizzly Magnum didn't instantly turn to stone is because of how big it is.
And here's his ability working on a Kido, don't try and tell me that it's a sentient being aswell
You would have to prove that his power actually worked on the Kido, Byakuya isn't an idiot why would he put a kido wall up if he knew Zommari could control it also Byakuya is explaining how Kido negates his attack on the bottom left for crying out loud
Did his attack not reach and affect the Kido yes or no?
I never claimed he'd be able to move the Kido etc, that's ridiculous but the fact remains it did interact with the Kido, no reason it can't do the same with Armament Haki.
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