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#1 Posted by FaradaySloth (5188 posts) - - Show Bio
  • Round 1: Speed Equalised
  • Round 2: Speed isn't Equalised
  • Round 3: Luffy vs All of the Espada at once
  • Bloodlusted
  • Standard Gear
  • Win by Death only
  • Full knowledge
  • Haki=Reiatsu, however KENBUNSHOKU HAKI IS RESTRICTED
  • Location is Heuco Mundo
  • ALL ESPADA START IN RESURRECCION

Round 1: Szayelapporo Granz

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Round 2: Aaroniero Arruruerie

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Round 3: Luppi Antenor

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Round 4: Zommari Rureaux

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Round 5: Nelliel Tu Odelschwanck

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Round 6: Nnoitra Gilga

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Round 7: Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez

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Round 8: Tier Halibel

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Round 9: Yammy Llargo

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Round 10: Ulquiorra Cifer (1)

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Round 11: Barragan Louisenbairn

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Round 12: Coyote Starrk

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Round 13: Ulquiorra Cifer (2)

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#2 Edited by SkySanji (2513 posts) - - Show Bio

Luffy ragdolls until Round 11

Round 1: Stop at Barragan or clears since Haki=Reiatsu

Round 2: Stops at Barragan or clears since Haki=Reiatsu

Round 3: Luffy gets ping ponged

All in all Barragan is the one and only problem because of his aging hax the rest get beaten.

Inb4 stops at Halibel because WaTeR, when the Water has to be still...

Edit: Realized Observation Haki was restricted then he most definitely stops at Barragan for rounds 1 and 2

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#3 Posted by B_r023 (5253 posts) - - Show Bio

Starrk > Ulquiorra imo.

The guy did fight Shunsui, Ukitake and 2 Vizards and only lost due to losing his will to fight.

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#4 Posted by Jko1 (2018 posts) - - Show Bio

WTF is this order?

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#5 Posted by Undre (802 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: so luffy can beat ulqioira. And i dont think he gets past espada number 7. He can control your nerves.

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#6 Edited by SkySanji (2513 posts) - - Show Bio

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@skysanji: so luffy can beat ulqioira.

Yes even Doffy can....

And i dont think he gets past espada number 7. He can control your nerves.

Cool Luffy just has to dodge like he's been doing in all of his fights prior to getting Observation Haki and Oneshot him, Read Op Luffy has Knowledge on them.

Round 1: speed is equalized but all Luffy needs is oneshot

Round 2: Luffy just blitzes the eyeballs out of him.

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#7 Posted by FaradaySloth (5188 posts) - - Show Bio

@jko1 said:

WTF is this order?

The one that's based on feats.

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#8 Posted by BossDarkseid (54 posts) - - Show Bio

Hard stop at Barragan.

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#9 Posted by KingGuinness (1652 posts) - - Show Bio

Should stop at round 11 both rounds. Luffy crushes Baraggan in stats, but Respira hard counters him.

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#10 Edited by AlexTheBoss (15137 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: Speed Equalised

Stops at Halibel due to dousing him in water.

Round 2: Speed isn't Equalised

Stops at 13, Ulquiorra is fast enough to keep up and Luffy won't be tanking lanza. I think he can beat all the others through blitzing and taking them out with a gear 4 barrage like what he tried on Kaido. He can stop at Barragan as well if he doesn't beat him before getting aged to death.

Round 3: Luffy vs All of the Espada at once

He dies.

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#11 Edited by SkySanji (2513 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss: The water has to be still water

I also disagree with Ulquiorra beating Luffy but it's not that bad seeing how I think it will be a high diff fight either way especially without Observation Haki

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#12 Edited by AlexTheBoss (15137 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji:

The water has to be still water

didn't Luffy almost drown in the rushing water before Wano? If' it's a lake worth of water being poured on him it should work. I agree the small jets wouldn't be enough though.

I also disagree with Ulquiorra beating Luffy but it's not that bad seeing how I think it will be a high diff fight either way especially without Observation Haki

He should at the very least win the speed equalized round due to just flying away while spamming ceros. In the round where speed isn't equalized I could see an argument for Luffy out pacing Ulquiorra and taking him down, but Ulquiorra has pretty good regen, so if Luffy doesn't take him down right away Uluqiorra would realize how big of a threat Luffy is and just AOE the entire area shooting cero oscuras in circles or flying up and dropping a lanza.

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#13 Edited by SkySanji (2513 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss said:

@skysanji:

The water has to be still water

didn't Luffy almost drown in the rushing water before Wano?

No it was a whirlpool:

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If' it's a lake worth of water being poured on him it should work.

No, Devil fruit Users can get Soaked in water and they can still fight

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Here more than half of Crocodiles Body was covered in Water (which is the requirement for the weakness to take affect), its made evident since he wasnt able to transform into his Logia state at all again it has to be still water(Sbs volume 41 for reference)

So I don't see why a Lakes worth being poured on him would work.

I agree the small jets wouldn't be enough though.

I also disagree with Ulquiorra beating Luffy but it's not that bad seeing how I think it will be a high diff fight either way especially without Observation Haki

He should at the very least win the speed equalized round due to just flying away while spamming ceros.

OKay, I still think Luffy will chase him down and pummel him which he does in character

In the round where speed isn't equalized I could see an argument for Luffy out pacing Ulquiorra and taking him down, but Ulquiorra has pretty good regen, so if Luffy doesn't take him down right away Uluqiorra would realize how big of a threat Luffy is and just AOE the entire area shooting cero oscuras in circles or flying up and dropping a lanza.

This is fair.

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#14 Posted by IchiGODgo (44 posts) - - Show Bio

He stops at 1.

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#15 Posted by Undre (802 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji said:
@undre said:

@skysanji: so luffy can beat ulqioira.

Yes even Doffy can....

And i dont think he gets past espada number 7. He can control your nerves.

Cool Luffy just has to dodge like he's been doing in all of his fights prior to getting Observation Haki and Oneshot him, Read Op Luffy has Knowledge on them.

Round 1: speed is equalized but all Luffy needs is oneshot

Round 2: Luffy just blitzes the eyeballs out of him.

Lol dued you cant dodge his attack as soon his eyes look at you its over.And exactly how fast is luffy. I dont see him keeping up with ulquora. And how stronge is he physically. One laza luffy is done if doesnt get blitzed

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#16 Posted by ourmanuel (6181 posts) - - Show Bio

He Could stop at cifer R1. But definitely stops at Barragan in all rounds, his senescence hard counters any blitz attempt and would leave him wide open.

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#17 Posted by SkySanji (2513 posts) - - Show Bio

@undre said:
@skysanji said:
@undre said:

@skysanji: so luffy can beat ulqioira.

Yes even Doffy can....

And i dont think he gets past espada number 7. He can control your nerves.

Cool Luffy just has to dodge like he's been doing in all of his fights prior to getting Observation Haki and Oneshot him, Read Op Luffy has Knowledge on them.

Round 1: speed is equalized but all Luffy needs is oneshot

Round 2: Luffy just blitzes the eyeballs out of him.

Lol dued you cant dodge his attack as soon his eyes look at you its over.

Scans? If so Luffy loses Round 1 at Zommari

And exactly how fast is luffy.

He's fast enough to kick lightning Pre Timeskip without any gears.

I dont see him keeping up with ulquora. And how stronge is he physically. One laza luffy is done if doesnt get blitzed

He physicals are above anything Ulquiorra has done, that's 100% a fact

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#18 Posted by Undre (802 posts) - - Show Bio
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@skysanji: luffy doesnt get past him lol. And kicking lighting doesnt give you lightning speed. Grimmjow could destroy large buildings with one nail. Ulqioru could casually cut down mountain size pillars in his 1st form so his physicals wont be problem

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#19 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (2845 posts) - - Show Bio

R1: Stops at Szayelapporo due to him cloning Luffy.

R2: Doesn't make it past the top 4.

R3: Get's easily overwhelmed.

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#20 Posted by AlexTheBoss (15137 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji:

No it was a whirlpool:

And a waterfall, plus a whirlpool is rushing water as well.

No, Devil fruit Users can get Soaked in water and they can still fight

I know, being soaked isn't the problem, being inside a large body of water is.

Here more than half of Crocodiles Body was covered in Water (which is the requirement for the weakness to take affect), its made evident since he wasnt able to transform into his Logia state at all again it has to be still water(Sbs volume 41 for reference)

So I don't see why a Lakes worth being poured on him would work.

You can't compare being splashed by water to having this much water being around you

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Ya, after the water dissipates, Luffy will be fine, but if she attacks while he is encased in the water he will have a problem.

OKay, I still think Luffy will chase him down and pummel him which he does in character

If they are equal speed I don't see how he chases him down with Ulquiorra having more mobility.

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#21 Edited by SkySanji (2513 posts) - - Show Bio

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@skysanji: luffy doesnt get past him lol.

Luffy can use armament HAKI to negate it since he survived being turned to stone, Armanent Haki gives you an extra layer.

And kicking lighting doesnt give you lightning speed.

Yes it does you can move your body at Lightning speeds

Luffy moved his leg at Lightning speeds to kick the lightning it's common sense

Grimmjow could destroy large buildings with one nail.

Stop trying to be dishonest he didn't destroy the building with "a nail"

Ulqioru could casually cut down mountain size pillars in his 1st form so his physicals wont be problem

No

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#22 Posted by Djoss (490 posts) - - Show Bio

Could stop at 7, definitly stops at 8.

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#23 Posted by ourmanuel (6181 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: armament Haki might not work here. Espadas also have hierro yet this attack would still work on them. It’s controlling the thing hits, so it’ll still control the armor

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#24 Posted by SkySanji (2513 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji:

No it was a whirlpool:

And a waterfall, plus a whirlpool is rushing water as well.

Luffy can't swim in general and again in Sbs Volume 41 Oda says it has to be standing water.

No, Devil fruit Users can get Soaked in water and they can still fight

I know, being soaked isn't the problem, being inside a large body of water is.

No, there is a scan I'll bring up later which I didn't want to go digging for

Here more than half of Crocodiles Body was covered in Water (which is the requirement for the weakness to take affect), its made evident since he wasnt able to transform into his Logia state at all again it has to be still water(Sbs volume 41 for reference)

So I don't see why a Lakes worth being poured on him would work.

You can't compare being splashed by water to having this much water being around you

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Didn't want to go look for this scan but this should pretty much end this Hallibel debate:

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Ya, after the water dissipates, Luffy will be fine, but if she attacks while he is encased in the water he will have a problem.

As seen in the Scan above Luffy will be fine as long as it's not standing water

OKay, I still think Luffy will chase him down and pummel him which he does in character

If they are equal speed I don't see how he chases him down with Ulquiorra having more mobility.

My point is Luffy can stretch and pummel him and Ulquiorra can't get distance since speed is equalized

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#25 Edited by SkySanji (2513 posts) - - Show Bio

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@skysanji: armament Haki might not work here. Espadas also have hierro yet this attack would still work on them. It’s controlling the thing hits, so it’ll still control the armor

I see your point The only difference is Luffy is adding an extra layer or armor while the Espadas have that as their regular skin, Armanent Haki prevents Luffy from immediately being turned into stone while regular people with suits were getting turned into stone, even Zoro was running full speed from it

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This is also seen when Zoro coats his sword in Haki

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#26 Edited by LimitlessSigil (1529 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at 4 with Speed equalized, Since Zammari is bloodlusted he'll go straight for the head.

Stops at 8 at best without speed equalized, Halibel drowns him.

Dies miserably against them all at once.

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#27 Posted by ourmanuel (6181 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: but then we still see it turning to stone. And that’s assuming Luffy would even use it from the start.

Not to mention, it’s still on his body so Barragan should still be able to control it.

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#28 Edited by SkySanji (2513 posts) - - Show Bio

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@skysanji: but then we still see it turning to stone. And that’s assuming Luffy would even use it from the start.

Yes we see it turning to stone but not immediately like the guys wearing Suits so we know FOR SURE its an extra Layer

Op says he has knowledge, I'm sure he will use it at the start

Not to mention, it’s still on his body so Barragan should still be able to control it.

No it controls the nerves Byakuya cut his legs so it wouldn't effect him, Luffy can turn his Haki on and off to avoid this since Zommari can't get past his Armanent Haki

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#29 Edited by SkySanji (2513 posts) - - Show Bio

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Stops at 4 with Speed equalized, Luffy has no knowledge on Aaroniero and since he's bloodlusted he'll go straight for the head.

You mean Zommari and read the Op again...

Stops at 8 at best without speed equalized, Halibel drowns him.

No. It has to be still water as Oda has said in Sbs volume 41, this supports what he said:

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Dies miserably against them all at once.

This is no debate they pinball Luffy

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#30 Posted by ourmanuel (6181 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji said:
@ourmanuel said:

@skysanji: but then we still see it turning to stone. And that’s assuming Luffy would even use it from the start.

Yes we see it turning to stone but nit immediately like the guys wearing Suits so we kniw FOR SURE its an extra Layer

Slowly turning to stone=/= not turning to stone.

Op says he has knowledge, I'm sure he will use it at the start

Not to mention, it’s still on his body so Barragan should still be able to control it.

No it controls the nerves Byakuya cut his legs so it wouldn't effect him, Luffy can turn his Haki on and off to avoid this since Zommari can't get past his Armanent Haki

It also worked on his sword’s petals too.

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#31 Edited by LimitlessSigil (1529 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji said:

@ourmanuel said:

@skysanji: but then we still see it turning to stone. And that’s assuming Luffy would even use it from the start.

Yes we see it turning to stone but nit immediately like the guys wearing Suits so we kniw FOR SURE its an extra Layer

Op says he has knowledge, I'm sure he will use it at the start

Not to mention, it’s still on his body so Barragan should still be able to control it.

No it controls the nerves Byakuya cut his legs so it wouldn't effect him, Luffy can turn his Haki on and off to avoid this since Zommari can't get past his Armanent Haki

No true, Byakuya cut the tendons of his muscles so that they couldn't move, Luffy doesn't have Full Body CoA so he'll be vulnerable somewhere.

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#32 Posted by LimitlessSigil (1529 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji said:
@limitlesssigil said:

Stops at 4 with Speed equalized, Luffy has no knowledge on Aaroniero and since he's bloodlusted he'll go straight for the head.

You mean Zommari and read the Op again...

I misread but edited it already.

Still Luffy doesn't have Full Body so he can't protect himself completely against it.

Stops at 8 at best without speed equalized, Halibel drowns him.

No. It has to be still water as Oda has said in Sbs volume 41, this supports what he said:

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No, in the scans you posted with Luffy and Crocodile, they were slightly covered in water, if they're drowned in it they'll be completely unable to move, case en point the Arlong Park arc where Luffy is drowning in the pool.

Dies miserably against them all at once.

This is no debate they pinball Luffy

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#33 Posted by ElderElijah190 (1736 posts) - - Show Bio

Luffy clears round 1 & 2 and get stomped @ round 3.

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#34 Edited by SkySanji (2513 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji said:
@ourmanuel said:

@skysanji: but then we still see it turning to stone. And that’s assuming Luffy would even use it from the start.

Yes we see it turning to stone but nit immediately like the guys wearing Suits so we kniw FOR SURE its an extra Layer

Slowly turning to stone=/= not turning to stone.

Again that doesn't prove he doesn't have an extra layer of skin why is it that he was slowly turning into stone while everyone even with suits turned into stone instantly

Op says he has knowledge, I'm sure he will use it at the start

Not to mention, it’s still on his body so Barragan should still be able to control it.

No it controls the nerves Byakuya cut his legs so it wouldn't effect him, Luffy can turn his Haki on and off to avoid this since Zommari can't get past his Armanent Haki

It also worked on his sword’s petals too.

Which is an extension of Byakuya

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#35 Posted by Undre (802 posts) - - Show Bio
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@skysanji: he destroyed them with one nail. And those pillers are moutian size according to you claiming a sussanoo is moutian in size. Ichigo also took five of those to the back. Most of the easpada are beyond lightning scaling from SS arc ichigo

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#36 Posted by ovy7 (1700 posts) - - Show Bio

R1: Dies to Barragan

R2: Dies to Barrragan

R3: He gets stomped

BTW, Luffy could dodge the abilities of Zommari using his CoO.

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#37 Posted by LimitlessSigil (1529 posts) - - Show Bio

@ovy7: CoO is restricted in this thread, and how can you dodge something that doesn't exist, Zommari doesn't fire a projectile.

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#38 Posted by ourmanuel (6181 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: lol wut?

How is his sword’s petals an extension of him? And zommari’s ability is stated to over power things, not just body parts. Proven by controlling senbonzakura’s petals.

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#39 Posted by ovy7 (1700 posts) - - Show Bio

@limitlesssigil: ...I haven't seen that rule lol.

Mostly because of some danger sensing or something like that...but it doesn't matter as CoO is restricted, so just ignore this.

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#40 Posted by SkySanji (2513 posts) - - Show Bio

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@skysanji: he destroyed them with one nail.

Stop wording it that way it makes it seem as if Grimmjow actually destroyed it with "a nail"

And those pillers are moutian size according to you claiming a sussanoo is moutian in size.

This doesnt work since consistently Perfect Susano'o is Larger than Yammy using Dms Kakashi to scale to Yammy is abysmal at best:

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Using Mangaka drawing inconsistencies isn't going to change that.

Ichigo also took five of those to the back.

Cool!!!!! So building level+?

Most of the easpada are beyond lightning scaling from SS arc ichigo

Luffy preformed that feat Pre timeskip without any gears....

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#41 Edited by SkySanji (2513 posts) - - Show Bio

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@skysanji: lol wut?

How is his sword’s petals an extension of him? And zommari’s ability is stated to over power things, not just body parts. Proven by controlling senbonzakura’s petals.

Are Zanpakutous not an extension of the wielder I'm pretty sure it says this in a databook, Bleach characters are souls if you don't remember.

You would have to show me Zommari controlling a building or something inanimate.

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#42 Posted by ourmanuel (6181 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: they are souls yes, but their zanpakutos are still separate beings. Even then, the metal of the sword’s petals was still being controlled so it’s not like he was literally controlling another being. I can also say that the armor Haki is an extension of their souls too then.

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#43 Posted by LimitlessSigil (1529 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: Did you not see my post about Luffy not having Full Body? The entire argument you're having with Ourmanuel is meaningless.

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#44 Posted by SkySanji (2513 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: Did you not see my post about Luffy not having Full Body? The entire argument you're having with Ourmanuel is meaningless.

My point is he can just oneshot with Grizzly Magnum or any Gear 3 attacks which dwarfs his body.

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#45 Posted by LimitlessSigil (1529 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: Before or after Zommari takes control of multiple of his limbs?

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#46 Edited by SkySanji (2513 posts) - - Show Bio

@ourmanuel said:

@skysanji: they are souls yes, but their zanpakutos are still separate beings. Even then, the metal of the sword’s petals was still being controlled so it’s not like he was literally controlling another being. I can also say that the armor Haki is an extension of their souls too then.

There you have it.

Completely different they don't have another being or entity residing inside of their Haki

That's Like saying Zommari can control Goku's Ki or Kamehameha or Hiei's dragon of the Darkness flame or Yusuke spirit Gun or Naruto's Rasenshuriken

Do you see how dumb that sounds?

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#47 Edited by SkySanji (2513 posts) - - Show Bio

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@skysanji: Before or after Zommari takes control of multiple of his limbs?

If he can get passed Luffy's Elephant Gun/Armanent Haki which is an extra layer which I went over in post #25 Which he will use as a shield and attack at the same time like this:

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Especially since he has knowledge.

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#48 Edited by LimitlessSigil (1529 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: Zommari isn't capable of dodging it or anything. Also, why do you assume Zommari's ability won't go through Armament Haki when it affects through clothes etc? Aswell as Zommari himself saying his eyes take control of anything

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And here's his ability working on a Kido, don't try and tell me that it's a sentient being aswell

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#49 Edited by SkySanji (2513 posts) - - Show Bio

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@skysanji: Zommari isn't capable of dodging it or anything. Also, why do you assume Zommari's ability won't go through Armament Haki when it affects through clothes etc? Aswell as Zommari himself saying his eyes take control of anything

With Speed equalized Luffy just Elephant Gatling gun's him if that's the case

Round 2 he just blitzes and oneshots him

I already went over why Armanent Haki is thicker than clothes full body suits in fact on Post #25

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You would have to prove that his power actually worked on the Kido, Byakuya isn't an idiot why would he put a kido wall up if he knew Zommari could control it also Byakuya is explaining how Kido negates his attack on the bottom left for crying out loud and even uses a kido to stop Rukia from killing herself:

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Zommari should still have control over her arms.

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#50 Edited by LimitlessSigil (1529 posts) - - Show Bio
@skysanji said:
@limitlesssigil said:

@skysanji: Zommari isn't capable of dodging it or anything. Also, why do you assume Zommari's ability won't go through Armament Haki when it affects through clothes etc? Aswell as Zommari himself saying his eyes take control of anything

With Speed equalized Luffy just Elephant Gatling gun's him if that's the case

No way that happens before Zommari controls some of his limbs.

Round 2 he just blitzes and oneshots him

Luffy isn't blitzing someone that was capable of outspeeding Byakuya on multiple occasions. Infact Zommari even states he has the fastest Sonido out of all the Espada

I already went over why Armanent Haki is thicker than clothes full body suits in fact on Post #25

The likely reason Luffy's Grizzly Magnum didn't instantly turn to stone is because of how big it is.

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And here's his ability working on a Kido, don't try and tell me that it's a sentient being aswell

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You would have to prove that his power actually worked on the Kido, Byakuya isn't an idiot why would he put a kido wall up if he knew Zommari could control it also Byakuya is explaining how Kido negates his attack on the bottom left for crying out loud

Did his attack not reach and affect the Kido yes or no?

I never claimed he'd be able to move the Kido etc, that's ridiculous but the fact remains it did interact with the Kido, no reason it can't do the same with Armament Haki.

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