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not universal

Universal

MTFL

Universal

@skysanji@standardized What would Goku being MFTL be based on? I haven't thought much about vs battles in a while.

Keeping up with a casual Beerus in just his Ssj God form who can do this:

Sends Whis,to a different Nebula to receive food for him so he Traveled across the universe from his home all the way to where Whis is at in 2 minutes and 20 seconds or 40 seconds depending on what time he left

the first scan they are fighting across and destroying Planets

Utterly busted beyond all proportions at this point.

@blackhole4007: How fast do you think SS Goku from Namek is?

With UI I have him at:

Galaxy+ DC, mid-high thousands c movement speed with instant reaction time, Star+ physicals, durability higher than physicals but lower than DC

Without UI it's basically the same for his output but without "+" and with low-mid thousands c speeds.

@gaoron: How is his physicals lower than his DC, that makes no sense, they come from the same power source.

@omega_kai: He charges his kamehameha with more energy than for his punches or kicks. If he charge energy inside his fist for couple moments like he does with kamehameha then yeah it shuld have a similar damage output but I was talking about normal uncharged strikes.

Apparently Universal, but can't survive in space.

Strength: Universal

Speed: MFTL

Durability: Universal

Strength: If physical strength, maybe star level or below. If general DC/potency, probably Galaxy.

Speed: FTL+ to low tens to hundreds FTL

Durability: Physical durability is bad, energy is slightly below galaxy but doesn’t make much of difference.

@ecoblitz: physical durability is bad in which way? Amped with Ki? Or in his relaxed form? Because amped with Ki he got hit by Beerus who can destroy moons and planets with his physical attacks in base form and SSJ form.

His normal strikes would give a similar amount or more depending on his effort or force, your logic makes no sense at all. Its like back in DBZ, when people said they would tank planet busting while at the same time fall to mountain level ones.

Explain why Vegeta used a suicidal blast against Buu if he could apply the same force to his strikes, they rarely apply full ki to their strikes, hence why their ki blasts are usually more powerful, so his statement isn't wrong.

For the first time in my life it seems I have to agree with this buffoon. Hell must be freezing over :/

By hype he past infinite power with UI as Jiren was basically portrayed as infinite in all areas(above time=infinite speed, shook the infinite world of Void=infinite power level....).

Goku can't even stand to a black hole level gravity and has to struggle to stand up.

Below star level physicals.

Got koed by a raygun.

Scaling Goku from from SSB Vegeta dying from planet earth exploding.

Below planet level durability

Anyone saying Goku is above planet level Physicals is obviously wanking.

Universal+ (MUI > Gods of Destruction)

Mftl

Universal+

Gay

Gay

Gay

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Strength: Galaxy to universe

Speed: FTL to MFTL

Durability: Galaxy to universe

Universe+(His first clash with beerus shook the universe, and that was him holding back in red form)

MFTL+(He has instant transmission and even in base can move across worlds in moments)

@thetruthteller: your name is misleading. Goku’s fight with beerus shook the entire universe and that was him holding back in red form. In saiyan saga he was already planet+ level. Unless you’re trolling :P.

Wrong thread area. Lmao at vsbattles mentioned.

All stats are well below mt left buttcheek, which solos db verse.

Strength/Durability: Universal+

Speed: FTL+

...because they need oxygen?

@i_like_swords:

Bardock was in space when freeza core busted planet vegeta.

Below planet level durability goku Scaling from SSB Vegeta dying in plaet earth explosion

@thetruthteller: Bardock was in the "exosphere" of the planet as I understand it, which, while very little, does have some oxygen. Same deal when Goku fought Beerus.

It's pointed out by Whis that Freezer survived the planet exploding because he can survive in the vacuum of space. If you're going to tell me that SSB Vegeta died because of that impact, but base form Freezer who had been beaten within an inch of his life survived at the centre of it, you have some explaining to do.

@i_like_swords:

As you said freeza survived then why did not Vegeta.

Are you saying SSB vegeta could not hold his breaths for few minutes?

What a joke.

And why can goku stand in black hole level gravity?

Feats >>>>>> any statements.

So you have to prove why goku or Android 17 who fought 17 equally in Db super?

Going by statements.

By king kai statements buu was going to crack the dimensions and destroy the universe.

So buu is universal.

Simply ridiculous statements.

@thetruthteller: I'm no physics expert, but I don't think holding your breath in space works that well due to the fact the oxygen is ripped out of your lungs. In any case, Vegeta was as good as dead whether he was holding his breath or not. The burden of evidence is on you to explain why a weaker being (beaten up base Freeza) survived the same blast that killed a far stronger one (SSB Vegeta) if you want to posit your argument.

If you're referring to the pseudo-black-hole-looking thing used in the tournament of power, I'd beg you to consider the obvious context that 1. Goku was only in his base form. 2. Goku was utterly exhausted from using Ultra Instinct and being beaten repeatedly. 3. Goku did actually break out of it eventually.

I don't think isolating specific instances from all of their context and then proclaiming them to be examples of contradiction is a smart way of debating, but more power to ya.

Galaxy level or something with FTL speed in all categories.

Strenght: This is depending on how much ki he used to amp his physical body. If he is to go all out then I will say billion times universal.

Speed: He is waaaaay faster than light.

Durability: It also depends on how much ki he will use to cover himself. If he goes all out it is obviously billion times universal.

@i_like_swords:

If holding breath had kill SSB Vegeta.

That makes SSB Vegeta inferior to Saitama who held his breath while on the moon.

And yeah by statements Broly should be galaxy level but feat was never shown him doing it onscreen.

So yeah no to planet level durability for dbz.

@b_r023:

Calling me a buffoon isn’t very progressive, imbecile.

@thetruthteller: Broly did destroy the Galaxy on screen...

@jooosh1996:

I am sorry broly was no where near on screen.

If he destroyed the galaxy how did goku visit a planet on that galaxy?

Quite the irony isn't it?

I’m going to be going with the peak of the current canon Goku for my assessment here:

Strength: Physically, above planetary. Energy, multi-galaxy. It’s hard to place Goku’s physical strength because nobody in DBS has a physical strength fear beyond planet busting, but logically speaking the series has scaled Goku higher than characters that have. As for his energy, it’s just speculation based on scaling and multiplier stacking. We know Cell and Buu could destroy solar systems and DBS has provided many examples for why we should believe Goku can beat them now without even transforming.

Speed: Above FTL. He was keeping up with Dyspo as a Super Saiyan God, he blocked the Light Bullet in Super Saiyan Blue, and he blitzed Dyspo and Toppo at the same time the first time he entered UI Omen. Being the most quantifiable measuring stick we have, that’s what I’m going to go off of. This whole deal about scaling Goku to Beerus’s travel speed when we can’t even pinpoint anything exact about it except that “it’s fast” just doesn’t take with me.

Durability: The way I see it this one varies. Depending on what form he’s in and depending on how on guard Goku is matters a lot. At his absolute maximum, I would guess Goku’s durability matches his strength in energy since they both rely on his ki.

@thetruthteller: Oh, so you're are one of them...

Strength: Even while massively, massively holding back, has enough strength to threaten the existence of the universe with the residual shockwaves of his punches meeting those of someone similar to him in strength.

Speed: Incomprehensibly faster than light.

Durability: Incomprehensibly above universal. I cannot think of an object dense enough to describe what it would take to hurt Goku.

Love you too Leo

It was actually a mistranslation.

The world of void was never stated to be infinite
Dragon Ball Super EP78 (2:56 - 3:14)

（大神官）開催する場所は 無の界。

> Great Priest: The place where it held, is the Realm of Void.

（悟空) 無の界？

> Goku: Realm of Void?

（ビルス）時間も空間もない 永遠と虚無だけに満ちた世界だ。

> Beerus: A world without time and space, filled with only eternity and emptiness.

But even if we accept it as "infinite" which is not, then this is still a ridiculous feat because it was stated to be a world filled with inifnite "Nothingness"

Shaking something> Shaking Nothing

That's why we didn't see the arena when android 18 stated "The world of void is shaking"

And hit power doesn't freezer time, it was explained by vados that he skips the time that he saved during his life. If goku had infinite speed in SSB kaioken 2 that would mean that his speed is twice infinite in ssb kaioken 20 which doesn't mean anything since nothing is above infinite

Infinite> Any possible or impossible number.

Besides it was implied in the mangas that hit's time skip doesn't work on stronger opponent and it was implied in the anime, goku said "I'm on a level far beyond your time skip"

@jooosh1996: Just ignore this guy. He's clearly trolling at this point.

@thetruthteller: lets see. Goku stood up in the black hole like gravity and broke out of it. This was after fighting the strongest opponents in the ToP and going beyond his physical limits 2 times and drained on energy.

Goku in his relaxed state is a lot weaker than he is with Ki that is basic knowledge in DB. So getting hurt by a ray gun while relaxed isn't his high end feats but his lowest feat. Going by that a cat scratched Saitama. So he has cat lvl durabiltiy?

Like a lot of people already stated, Saiyans can't survive in the vacuum of space. They need air. Vegeta was caught by suprise when earth blew up. You can see that in his face. Frieza in the Namek saga survived a planet explosion while cut in halve and completely out of Ki. You want to tell me that SSB Vegeta is weaker?

He pretty much went toe to toe with a Beerus who can punch planets into oblivion while not being serious at all. He did this in his Base form and in his normal SSJ state. All buffs above put him to multi-planet to star level physicals. Not to forget that these are just normal punches. Nothing amped with Ki like he used against Piccolo or Gohan against Goku in DBS.

But what i can say from your posts here and in many, many other threads you love OPM to the level of a fanatic and hate DB. So i am not suprised at all. But just try to use things that are not debunked within a few sec of inspection.

Depends on Toriyama mood

Not yet universal, but we're getting there (maybe)

Speed should be FTL to MFTL

Durability is wall level

Strength(Physical-Attacks): Star Level

Strength(Ki Blasts): Universal to Universal+ with MUI

Speed: FTL + to MFTL

Durability(Physical-Attacks): Star Level

Durability(Against Ki blasts): Universal to Universal + with MUI