Current Deku,Bakugo and Todoroki Vs 616 Sinister Six

This battle was basically deku vs electro, Electro was faster so he fry mha team.

Heroes team stomps.

Sandman and Mysterio are more valuable here than Electro etc.

Bad take

I don't think sandman could escape or survive a spam version of this magnitude of an ice attack from todoroki, well I'm not knowledgeable for mysterio so no comment for his mind manipulation antics.

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I fail to see how they would even survive a punch from even 20% Deku, or have combat/movement speed even remotely comparable to that of the MHA trio.

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I fail to see how a low mid can beat these two.

None of the trio are “low mid-tiers,” especially Deku. He had a shared mountain to island-level striking feat

Mountain to island is mid tier but good for him I suppose. It doesn't matter given there's stronger here and he has no counter to mind hax or just getting beat down.

And then Deku has other showings of recent in the newer chapters, and stuff that would most likely one-shot anyone on the Sinister Six (city-block tier

The fact you think the S6 are "city-block tier" is the definition of traditional cross-platform weeb ignorance, this would only be true for Kraven and Ock. You shouldn't be talking about this fight in the first place if you actually don't know this much.

I don't think sandman could escape or survive a spam version of this magnitude of an ice attack from todoroki, well I'm not knowledgeable for mysterio so no comment for his mind manipulation antics.

Pretty sure the heroes don't have the cognizance to differentiate Mysterio's illusions from reality, so any stat advantage they may have is moot.

Some of the S6 have a caveat of not harming kids though, so the weeb team has that, if nothing else.

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Mountain to island is mid tier but good for him I suppose. It doesn't matter given there's stronger here and he has no counter to mind hax or just getting beat down.

None of the Sinister Six are this powerful in Base

Again false for obvious reasons: Sandman has a few decades of high performance way beyond low-mids.

, and if so, you could be at very least generous to inform me of such feats

We already had this discussion before with Sandman and you were trotting out the same nonsensical baseline claims with no backing. If you want proof, I'd suggest just reading up on that, because I don't like repeating myself.

The fact you think the S6 are "city-block tier" is the definition of traditional cross-platform weeb ignorance, this would only be true for Kraven and Ock. You shouldn't be talking about this fight in the first place if you actually don't know this much.

I don’t even consider them above building-tier

Yeah that's just down-right silly, sorry. Really bad take given who's here and who they've faced. That just makes me think even more that you really shouldn't be commenting without some sort of baseline knowledge.

@professorrespect: (the physical amp used by Midoryia wasn't used vs Shigaraki, I mentioned how he harmed heavily the latter and then said "he also has another quirk that amps his stats beyond that), I'm aware of Mysterios' powerset, do you mind linking a RT for William? my knowledge on some members of Spidey's rogue gallery is a bit lacking, I remember Sandman absorbing an entire desert or something along that line

Anyone who thinks Sandman is anywhere near hulk consistently, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. MHA team only has mysterio to worry about here and Deku has a decent argument to be able to resist him

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Again false for obvious reasons: Sandman has a few decades of high performance way beyond low-mids.

But he’s not, and those high performance showings mean nothing once he actually faces Peter

Spidey exploits his weaknesses to win, he doesn't brawl with the guy like actual low showings with Rhino and such. Unless you got proof of him getting overpowered without weakness exploitation, of course.

We already had this discussion before with Sandman and you were trotting out the same nonsensical baseline claims with no backing. If you want proof, I'd suggest just reading up on that, because I don't like repeating myself.

Yes, we did once discuss this, but his feats such as absorbing the Sahara desert are nothing

That wasn't what we were discussing about etc. This whole "street tier" Sandman gimmick has no backing beyond "well I think he is because he faces off against Spidey" despite the fact that Spidey has villains that aren't his exact tier like....well all heroes lol.

And don’t claim bullshit, PR, I was giving you evidence

You were giving me "x covered a building in sand so he has more baseline control than the guy who controlled 3000 miles of sand" as a talking point, etc.

Yeah that's just down-right silly, sorry. Really bad take given who's here and who they've faced. That just makes me think even more that you really shouldn't be commenting without some sort of baseline knowledge.

I don’t think any of the Sinister Six’ members except maybe Sandman and Electro can just one-shot a building. Their attack potency is probably building-level consistently

Electro's done the above by accident and Sandman obviously isn't that tier unless the decades of showings against high mids/high tiers are all PIS etc. I would probably suggest revising your point with some more reading.

The Villains have Better Reactions/Combat Speed but Deku One shots them

@professorrespect: They can just get One Shotted by Deku using Shockwaves

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Spidey exploits his weaknesses to win, he doesn't brawl with the guy like actual low showings with Rhino and such. Unless you got proof of him getting overpowered without weakness exploitation, of course.

I know that he gets outsmarted by Peter quite a bit, as their first fight ended with Flint being sucked into a vacuum cleaner

This was retconned afterwards to Flint letting him do such a thing to meet his father in jail. Either way, the point (well it's not really a point, more guesswork than anything else) doesn't really have much bells and whistles to it.

The thing here is that he gets flash-frozen or burnt by Todoroki

Todoroki isn't as impressive as Iceman or Human Torch so nope.

That wasn't what we were discussing about etc. This whole "street tier" Sandman gimmick has no backing beyond "well I think he is because he faces off against Spidey" despite the fact that Spidey has villains that aren't his exact tier like....well all heroes lol.

I’m not simply calling him a street-tier opponent, but he isn’t much of anything in Base

A baseless claim given his feats.

You were giving me "x covered a building in sand so he has more baseline control than the guy who controlled 3000 miles of sand" as a talking point, etc.

That’s also not what I said, but I was totally wrong on that thread. Sandman stomps Gaara if he’s absorbed the entire Saharan Desert

That is what you did indeed say but I'm glad that opinion has changed.

Electro's done the above by accident and Sandman obviously isn't that tier unless the decades of showings against high mids/high tiers are all PIS etc. I would probably suggest revising your point with some more reading.

I’m aware, but he hasn’t shown anything much higher

I mean.....he has, obviously. Brawling with tons of non-street tier characters for decades is a thing. You can read up on those showings, they happen a lot. Two things can be concluded:

A. Everyone he's faced jobbed or aren't actually good

B. Sandman is not a building level/street tier character

One fits, the other doesn't. I think people can figure which is which.

@professorrespect: Sorry for the late response.

This was retconned afterwards to Flint letting him do such a thing to meet his father in jail. Either way, the point (well it's not really a point, more guesswork than anything else) doesn't really have much bells and whistles to it.

I wasn’t aware of that being retconned, but that’s pretty interesting

Yeah it was adjusted in the mid-2000's during the Back to Black run if I recall.

Todoroki isn't as impressive as Iceman or Human Torch so nope.

Todoroki isn’t as impressive as Torch, but Flint isn’t this strong on an average basis

Complete conjecture. Flint was one of Torch's first solo villains and has consistently been able to take his flames from the very beginning. There's never been a point where he was lesser.

A baseless claim given his feats.

He’s really not impressive in Base

I don't get "base" Sandman as being a thing. He's not been amped at any point bar Mudman transformation and his future self who had slightly different powers.

I mean.....he has, obviously. Brawling with tons of non-street tier characters for decades is a thing. You can read up on those showings, they happen a lot. Two things can be concluded:

A. Everyone he's faced jobbed or aren't actually good

B. Sandman is not a building level/street tier character

One fits, the other doesn't. I think people can figure which is which.

No, it means not everyone is consistent due to the writers constantly changing or doing things with the plot

"not everyone is consistent" doesn't mean "I can say x is y regardless of the feats" of which there are decades-worth going from the 60's to the present day. I did invite you to show me any feats of Flint being knocked out by building tier characters and that was ignored, so I guess you just concede to option B then.

And even if his AP was above ‘building-level’ it’s still fodder

Once again baseless given you have no proof of your statements and no knowledge of the character. Once again, really shouldn't be talking on subjects you don't have much background on.

Mha team still stomps