Creeper vs Beast

His strength is superhuman, how is he not strong enough to put Beast down?

If anything Beast's enhanced senses would make the effects of Creeper's laugh worse, would it not?

Creeper's pain threshold and durability are more than enough to handle Beast's blows if Beast can even get one off.

I'd put Beast above Creeper in terms of agility but not by much.

I don't believe Creeper's laugh works that way. The pain is a result of some kind of primal danger instincts activating in the brain. I don't think it has very much to do with the intensity of the laugh or how loudly it's heard. (quote from Creeper scans that I could post if need be)
"Interesting. Some years ago, a study established an evolutionary basis to the typical reaction to the sound of fingernails on a chalkboard. It seems it matches the acoustic frequency of the "danger cry" of several primate species-- which some atavistic instinct buried in the human brain still responds to. Apparently, the Creeper's laugh evokes a similar, albeit considerably more incapacitating, reaction. From my observations, individual tolerances appear to vary, and severity of effect diminishes rorportionate to length of exposure."
Actually, this makes me wonder if Beast in his current state would be effected at all by the laugh. Creeper's laugh is incapacitating and painful because it matches the frequency of primate species, which the human brain still responds to. Beast, due to his extra mutations, is more feline than anything else. I find it a bit doubtful that his brain is still conditioned to respond to primate danger cries.

Creeper's healing factor is very strong, no doubt about that. But characters with powerful healing factors are not immune to knockouts. 

Beast has been shown to be cat-like in physical nature as well as mind, but I don't think that necessarily means that Beast's brain was fully mutated from a primate's. Aside from when Cassandra Nova programmed him to act like a cat and his ability to take cat naps I'm not recalling any sort of further indication that his mind is that of a feline's completely. Beast may be cat-like but he's still human, IMO, and he SHOULD still have primate atavistic tendencies, no matter how your mind mutates to my knowledge you can't unlearn atavistic instinct. I don't see why it wouldn't work on him. 

Not what I was suggesting nor do I believe it's tied directly to his regenerative abilities. Apart from his regenerative abilities he's been shown to have a high pain threshold which means he's less susceptible to be knocked out due to pain. 

Just about every character who has superhuman strength also has a level of durability that seems to be roughly proportionate to their strength level. In almost every case, the two powers to hand-in-hand. Right off hand, I can recall Hank tanking blows from Spider-Man, Kraven, Wolverine, Ord, Danger, and even glancing hits from WWHulk without sustaining any noticable injury. I believe that indicates that his level of durability is sufficient to withstand blows from a 2 tonner.    

I don't think Beast is the type who would try to knock out an enemy due to pain anyway. Due to his morals and thorough knowledge of human physiology, I think he is much more likely to go for a knockout via weak spots and pressure points (ex. hits to the back of the head, punch to the jaw, ect). 

It's safe to assume that the two go hand in hand, but at the same time sometimes they don't. Beast's durability is stated to be at a 4 which is classified as regenerative, Marvel's handbooks have always been tricky when it comes to measuring durability because a 3 is enhanced which is the classification that people who usually have denser skin and more resistance to injury are at, but to my understanding when you're a 4 you're not necessarily eligible to claim Beast's tissue is denser than normal and his regenerative healing factor has been known to only be twice as fast as peak-human [if I recall correctly].

As far as who he's taken shots from that's impressive and all but at the same time Spider-Man [at least in the scenario I'm recalling] didn't hit Beast with everything he had and I know for sure that Hulk wasn't and when it comes down to it I can think of a bunch of examples where people with low level of durability or peak human durability get thrashed by people way out of their league and have gotten back up such as Daredevil, who has normal level durability and his encounters with Mr. Hyde, who is in the 50 ton range.

You mentioned Kraven, who can press two tons, which is what you're assuming Creeper is at [though I'm not sure someone who can lift two tons can pull a street lamp out of the ground and fight off a robot with it] and Kraven managed to not only harm Beast with his strikes but managed to handicap him with a nerve strike in their encounter if memory serves so it's not out of the question to have someone who's as strong as Creeper harm Beast. My point is is that his claws can tear through Beast's tissue, he doesn't have to try and knock Beast out when he can simply bleed him out.

In those scans it says that it's dependent on who's exposed to, as well. Even toward the end there was still guys [guards hired by Proteus] clutching their heads in pain. Due to his laughter they weren't able to touch him. I don't really see that as fighting condition.

Also, there's examples of Creeper's laugh that last until he's disposed of all of his enemies. For example in Creeper volume 3 #1, shortly after becoming the Creeper he dispatches a whole group of mobsters before they can even get a shot off.

Maybe, but as much as Beast knows about human physiology I don't think that equates to him knowing how to strike certain points such as someone like Daredevil would. He's trained, but I don't think he's at that level. While I think he could knock out an opponent with well placed hits it would be primarily due to his strength, and for all the punishment that he can deal out Creeper can take it and more, IMO. In his third volume he went toe to toe with a monster known as Gavin [which is the only time I remotely remember Creeper being KOed], Gavin had enough strength to punch through thick prison walls until Gavin managed to brutally put him down again [mind you, this was supposed to be early Creeper]. 

   

TBH, I never trust what handbooks say about Beast's power levels. Almost all of them still say that he's a 2-3 tonner, even though he has feats that put him above that level.     

Creeper has claws?
I don't recall ever seeing any evidence of them in any of his scans.

In those scans, he was laughing for all of five panels. Time-wise, it honestly doesn't look any longer than a couple of seconds.

My point was that Daredevil has taken blows from Hyde, not the other way around. Daredevil doesn't have any sort of real durability but has taken blows from people way out of his league when it comes to strength. While Beast has taken blows from people much stronger than him [or Creeper in this instance] that doesn't mean Creeper can't harm him. 

Creeper has control over most of his physiology, on numerous occasions he's made his fingers sharp enough to claw through people. Even the red mane that he grows around his neck has proven prehensile on one or two occasions. In most depictions his fingernails are shown to be rather sharp. It's what he uses to scale walls and he's been known to use them in battle, for example, when he claws out Man-Bat's back during their fight.

But that was only one example of Creeper's laugh, one that was successful until the end of the fight. And it's unfair to point out that someone almost hit Creeper with a taser because we can't tell how aware Creeper was when it comes down to it. I mean, you can't really count it against Batman for every thug that manages to nearly shoot him while he's not even looking at them. The fact that he managed to not only dodge the taser but make it so the guy who fired the shot hit another man in the face suggests that he was very much aware of the man's presence.

And like I said, in most depictions of his laugh it lasts long enough. I don't see how it would differ from his fight with Beast. All he needs is the upper-hand for a little while, IMO.

Afterward he transforms back into Jack Ryder and has a dialog with himself before he notices one of the thugs is still conscious and fires off a round at him. He turns back into the Creeper and uses the laugh on the man again, I think that would have been longer than a few seconds.

Okay. I don't think they'd be as effective on someone with Creeper's superhuman durability [because he has one of those, too], but I won't doubt that he can be knocked out by those means.

Honestly, I don't see how it's anything but PIS that Daredevil could take hits from a 50 tonner without being put straight down. What's the point of having superhuman strength if people with human-level durability can still take your punches? Unless they were just glancing blows, or Daredevil was just rolling with all the hits, then that would have to be PIS.

Good point.  We can at least determine that that guy was coherent enough to be able to point and shoot a projectile weapon after only about a page, so I'm still not convinced that the window of time during which the laugh is fully effective is all that great.
As for the idea that it was successful until the end of the fight, it's tough to tell near the end of the fight how much of Creeper's superiority was coming from the laugh, and how much of it was just his fighting skill. Like I said before, almost any decent street-leveler would be capable of beating the living crap out of goons like that, even without an incapacitating laugh to help. We can't just say that 'Creeper was still totally owning them at the end of the fight, so that means they were still in terrible pain from his laugh.'

 Slight adjustment: It lasts long enough for Creeper do beat down a small group of guys who have no superhuman abilities, no skills beyond the common street thug MAX, and no weapons more dangerous than simple handguns at best. Beast is superior to those guys in pretty much every concievable way. He is VASTLY physically superior, has a healing factor, and is a far more experienced fighter. Having enough time to beat them down isn't the same as having enough time to beat him down.

I think they'd still be very effective. Blows like that work perfectly fine for people with equal strength levels (human vs human, ect). Beast is a ten tonner, and Creeper's durability isn't that awesome (he said "That hurt" when he was hit with a billy club in one of his fights.) 

I'd say the same for Beast, especially when it comes to his fight with Hulk during WWH: X-Men. He managed to walk away from a number of blows straight on and Beast kept going despite the fact that Hulk defeated much more durable opponents with seeming ease. Beast is durable, but I don't think he's durable enough to be tanking blows from someone with 100+ ton strength unless said person wasn't really trying, which is arguable. 

His vast physical superiority isn't going to factor into his susceptibility to his laugh, neither is his healing factor which isn't really a healing factor but his regenerative abilities that allow him to heal faster than a human but nowhere near as fast as someone like your Wolverines or your Deadpools and Sabretooths. What will factor in is his hearing, which is sharper than that group of guys, and while the laugh targets a pitch that works on specific atavistic portions of the brain, it does so by reaching a paralytic pitch.

Like I said earlier, you mentioned Kraven who maxes at 2 tons according to Marvel. Creeper, who should be above 2 tons, should be able to slip in a number of hits before Beast can recover from the initial laughter and by the time he slips those in Beast would already be hurting and most likely dazed and clawed up from that first wave. Not to sell Beast short, I think he has the instinctual ability to be able to get a decent amount of licks on Creeper, but the laugh, IMO, would keep him from getting a decent lock on him for at least a good portion of the fight which would allow the Creeper to get his damage done. 

You misinterpreted that page. Creeper was never struck by the guard's billy club. He kicked the guard in the face and the billy club flew into his hand. Why would he be hurt by something such as a strike from a billy club when in the very next issue [issue #2] he bashes his skull in on a building purposely while smiling?

And in issue 3 he goes on to be cut up by saws and laughs through it? I think it's in issue #5 where he encounters a gunman and laughs through a volley of gunshots. In volume 3 issue 2 he takes an axe to the chest without any visible pain. All of that is his threshold for pain which is ridiculously high in addition to his regenerative abilities that allows him to regenerate from scraps of flesh and makes most injuries disappear within seconds.

As for his actual durability, like I mentioned earlier in this thread he drove a space-plane into a battlefield and emerged from said explosion without a scratch. I think that explosion would trump Beast's strength, but that's just my opinion.