CP's Battle Of The Week: MCU Thor vs DCEU Superman

Thor takes it

Either Superman uses the axe on Thor or eventually Thor wins imo.

Why does everyone consider it fair to use showings of a weaker Thor, but not of a weaker Superman? Ebony Maw used TK to trap Thor in metal, and Thor was already beaten up by Thanos and had had the power gem blasting against his head, that means Ebony's TK is strong enough to contain a beaten up Thor, nothing more, as you can see that when Thanos and the Black Order leave the Asgardian ship, Thor effortlessly frees himself from the metal, and later in the same movie Thor performs strength feats that blow Superman's out of the water.

In the beggining of Ragnarok Thor casually breaks chains in Musphelheim that were strong enough to contain a massive dragon that could fly at supersonic speeds and go trough stone easily. Thor then is strong enough to maintain that same Dragon's mouth open. Why is it an anti-feat that Thor was captured by an alien net that was specifically designed to capture strong warriors to fight in the arena of Sakaar?

In the Avengers, a massively less powerful version of Thor that is being discussed in this thread, was already matching Hulk's strength and later he was trapped in a chamber that was designed to contain the Hulk. When Thor gets serious he easily breaks through that chamber's glass.

Why do you automatically discredit the strength feats of the current version of Thor that's being discussed right now? Thor can and will overpower Superman in a contest of strength if it comes to it, long enough for a lightning bolt to hit Superman, when wich Thor will strike Superman in the head with Stormbreaker.

Superman is not faster than lightning.

Thor will appear as a statue to Superman. For all his power, it won't matter if he cannot tag him. Superman post-ressurection has consistently used his super-speed, so I just don't see how Thor has a chance.

@darkpsychiclord_prime:

He doesn't have to be faster than lightning. He isn't racing the lightning. He just has to make it miss him, which he's perfectly capable of.

Thor only got free because Thanos and his team left along with the TK effect. If Thor can easily break out of that, he should've done so before Thanos killed his brother trying to stop it. Waiting until Thanos and co. leave is just cowardice. You're making Thor look really bad.

Thor at this point. Whether via lightning or more likely..axe-hammer. He's too durable and has the offensive means to take out Superman, in the event that Superman overwhelms him Thor can just bifrost blast him or hit him with an AoE lightning blast. Theoretically if this hammer doesn't have the enchantment on it, Superman could take it from him, but given reasons already stated its unlikely he would be able to do that. Plus, with Thor's new strength feat in Infinity War, he might just be on the Man of Steels level at this point.

That's my opinion on if the fight was a "to the death scenario" but given that BFR is allowed? Thor kinda stomps. The dude controls the Bifrost now, which means he could teleport the Man of Steel away at any point if he feels overwhelmed.

@the_fub: Superman is massively faster. He can dance around Thor's strikes and take Storm breaker right out of his hands.

@lunacyde: How is he gonna do that when Thor can call lightning down on him or the Bifrost? He sure as hell can percieve him considering he not only perceived, but reacted to Quicksilver in AoU.

Plus, given his strength feat in Infinity War, he's on the Man of Steels level strength wise, its not like Clark can just take it.

@jedixman: What's the story with Homecoming being retconned again?

@the_fub: When has Thor shown the ability to use the Bifrost in combat? I saw the movie and I don't remember him doing so.

You're joking right? Superman massively outspeeds MCU Quicksilver.

Try keeping someone equally as strong as you and so fast you cannot react to them from taking something from you.

In Homecoming, the caption said that the NY invasion was 8 years ago, which doesn't make sense. In Infinity War, Tony said it had been 6 years.

Is it confirmed it doesn't have the same properties of Mjolnir? He used it in the same way via calling it back to him and flying with it. Seemed like just Mjolnir+++.

@oreoghoul: Odin placed the worthiness enchantment on Mjolnir separate from it's other properties. Storm Breaker does not have this enchantment.

Lol... you just ingnored my entire post. Is not the metal that was restraining him it was the TK, do you know what Telekinesis is? is the ability to manipulate things with your mind. Ebny Maw happened to posses TK strong enough to contain Thor, why is it so hard to understand?

How does Superman makes him miss it when Thor's covered in it? even a small lightning bolt was able to send hulk flying and daze him

And Thor doesn't need to aim it at all, just by being in range Superman will be constantly struck by lightning

With storm breaker he struck the ground and the entire area affected by the aoe attack was covered in lightning, but again he doesn't actually need to move or aim to summon it.

What sort of strength feat that Thor got in IW that puts him on Supes level again?

That scene where Thor jump started the forge with his own strength was already debunked.

Those handle switches of the iris of the forge was held together by a thin metal that broke when they tried to run the forge for the first time in that movie. It seems those were mere switches of a complicated pulley mechanism and you don't need that much strength to pull it off. And even if we ignore that, the entire "neutron star" forge was nonsense. When Thor went unconscious, he fell away from the "neutron star" as if it has no mass at all. Where's the gravity of the "neutron star"?

This can actually be explained by the fact that the star's beam pushing against Thor away from the star. The force of the beam was greater than the gravity of the star, and so Thor was sent flying into the rings when he let go. This actually gives me a good idea for how to calc the force of the beam.

Ah, I see, thanks for the correction.

This is not exactly true. While it is true that Thor didn't start the rings by himself, he did serve as the anchor and served to give Rockets ship enough momentum in the first place. He still would have had to have the strength to turn the rings or he would have flown off into space when he swung Rockets ship, rather than anchoring himself to the rings and making them spin.

And he also had to keep the massive doors open by his strength alone.

@darkpsychiclord_prime: Thor didn't demonstrate any of those abilities in Infinity Wars, and although it may work great on fodder those attacks aren't going to do much more than tickle Superman if they hit him.

Let's go over this again. Superman is far too fast for Thor to properly react to, and Thor's energy output would have to resemble a nuke to KO Superman, which is not within his capabilities. Superman will be knocking Thor around like a pinball.

I never said anything about the metal, I said the TK effect and you clearly implied that it's Thor's strength that got him out of that TK hold, which is completely false. Because if that's true then you're implying that Thor is a coward. Not only that you've made a bad assessment of the scenario, you also made Thor look really bad.

I'm sorry, but the bolded part is a flat out lie. The nuke he was hit with nearly killed him, and would have had it not been for the sun. If something can nearly kill you, then something that is 1/100th of that amount of force can KO you.

Edit: That being said, I do not think one lightning bolt would KO Superman, but he most definitely would feel it and it most definitely would not tickle him.

If the force of the beam is greater than the gravitation of the "neutron star", the outer ring of the forge would've been destroyed, and that is even nonsense because Thor floated to and from the Iris of the forge. Where's the gravity again? And they called that a "neutron star"?

Also, Doomsday was the one that got directly hit with the Nuke. Sure, Superman was still at pointblank range, but half his body was covered by Doomsday and it was Doomsday that took/absorbed the worst of it.

hence the rig, if you know how a neutron star behaves

and dont ignore the Rig attached to the star to hold it and make it shoot beams with heat and force

then you might get the ideahow the rig works,, to prevent the natural behavior of the neutron star and to harness the power and full force of it.

there is only so much science you can put on a comic book / sci fi movie.

You can't know that for certain. We don't know what the rings are made of. It's a comic book movie about an extremely futuristic civilization. Thor's never flown away from the Iris under his own power. Thor went from the outside of the rings to the Iris, to getting blasted back into the ring through the hole.

People voting Thor are still ignoring speed. Even when you are talking about lightning, everything is happening very slow around Superman.

He will dodge Thor's attacks. Thor's best bet is tagging him with lightning, but he's not going to get a swing off in time to kill Superman. Again, Thor is moving in slow motion. Thor can't cut someone who is already out of his reach.

Thor would have to KO Superman, and THEN cut/stab him. I think there is a greater chance of Superman just blitzing the hell out of Thor and punching him over and over again into submission.

Also, every time in Ragnarok when Thor called down lightning (against Hulk and Hela) there was time in between Hulk's punches or Hela was in the middle of a monologue. Superman will be raining down punches faster than Hulk did (with the same if not more power) and he won't be doing a monologue.

Nobody here knows exactly how that forge works because it wasn't explained in detail in the movie.

"Neutron Star" is a real world name of a type of star, and therefor I expect it to act like one. If they don't want a real "neutron star" then they shouldn't called it like that. Call it something else.

You are not getting it... While Maw was on the ship, the metal that was compressing Thor was being affected by his TK, i never said he was strong enough to overpower the TK, but he might have been if he wasn't in such state. What i said was that when Maw left the ship, Thor effortlessly freed himself from the metal that wasn't under Maw's tk influence.

How didn't he demostrated those abilities when he was covered in lightning the entire time? And i'm not arguing for the lightning to be able to KO Superman, only to stagger him long enough for Thor to hit him once with stormbreaker and split his head open. And Superman has been hurt by something with far less damage output than a nuke, like the mother box explosion.

@early_cuyler: There is a glaring flaw in your comment. As per the OP:

• Both fighters are in character.

• Random Encounter, No Prep time, No Prior Knowledge.

To the best of my knowledge, after watching Man of Steel, BvS, and Justice League, Superman has never, in character, blitzed and "raining down punches" on anybody that he had no prior knowledge about.

thats why the forge is build around it

how hard is it to understand really?

if they showed a neutron star with no rigs and didnt behave similarly to the real world neutron star then you have a point.

but in the movie there is a rig / super advance tech that can harness its power and can manipulate it to produce a beam.

I really dont understand what you are looking for :)

just remember the rig attached to the neutron star, if it doesnt behave how its supposed to be, The TECH/SUPER ADVANCE TECH. SCIFI TECH

So, Superman is going to get tagged by Thor's lightning. And be so staggered that both his and Thor's perception and speed are the same, giving Thor time to swing his axe and kill Superman (assuming Superman dies in one swing)?

I'm sorry, but that's far less likely than Superman simply speed blitzing him over and over again.

As the saying goes, the simplest answer is most often correct.

The TK effect wore off and then the metal fell to ground and that's not because of Thor's strength.

Again, since you ignored my post. DCEU Superman has never once done what you suggest, in character, to a person he knows nothing about. This isn't what you would do with his powers, but what he would do. You have to take his character into account.

How are you going to type what you did, and say he never speed blitzed anyone when on the 1st page there is a gif of him speed blitzing WW? Did you really watch JL?

As to raining down punches, he will do it assuming Thor doesn't give up.

true, thor is so wasted and Maw is using TK to keep thor at bay with the metals, once maw is out of the ship the metals just fell down.

@jedixman:

“Thor perceived QS, but failed to tag him”

-Clark perceived Flash, but failed to tag him.

“Couldn’t dodge bullets”

-CLark was hit by bullets in fight with Batman..

Just throwing this out there, but if you want to use Thor’s weakest feats at least be unbiase about it and use Superman’s weakest feats.

And you need to go back and watch JL if you think Superman has never and is incapable of speed blitzing.

Reading comprehension is great.

Superman has never, in character, blitzed and "raining down punches" on anybody that he had no prior knowledge about.

Do you see the key words there? Superman was not in character at that point in time, and he had knowledge on Diana.

Read my previous post first. Then practice your reading skills.

He specifically said "in-character". Superman was not In-Character at that moment after getting revived.

I can see what we are dealing with now. Someone who can't admit when they are wrong. Superman doesn't need to have knowledge of Thor to speed blitz him. Why does he need knowledge of him to speed blitz him? Explain.

rules: in character

clark was not in character after getting revived

bolded part, never happened MOS to JL

He will deffinitely be hurt and staggered long enough for Thor to accomplish it, look at what this explosion did to him

And Stormbreaker will just go through his head, since it not only pierced Thanos who has some amazing durability feats, but it overpowered a full power blast from the Infinity Gauntlet with the 6 gems in it, wich is way above a nuke and anything in the DCEU.

Hold up. So let's pump the breaks. Are we or are we not letting Thor use Stormbreaker on Superman.

And assuming we are, how is it fair given the only reason why Thor went all out is because he was bloodlusted?

That was not in character for Thor.

All this "Thor will chop Superman up" yada yada. Thor went directly to Earth seeking out Thanos to kill Thanos with a weapon designed to kill Thanos.

But now, it's "in character" for him to swing it at any person that stands in his way? Seriously?

whats not in thors character? that he would use the bladed part of stormbreaker?

Not staggered enough to screw up his perception and speed. Superman was up immediately to fight the next frame. Remember, Thor is still moving in slow motion.

Yeah it's sci fi, advance tech. It's still nonsense. At least, that nuke feat is more realistic and believable. If we want to go bonkers then

Black hole >>>>>>>>>>> Neutron star.