@morghulis:
Monster/Awakened Fist Garou has better speed feats than anyone in Naruto-verse, let alone a stronger, faster version who was able to contend with Saitama better than the versions he accomplished those speed feats. Juubidara is not any faster than SPSM Naruto by feats or scaling, someone who is at best a few times the SOL for dodging ‘Light Fang’.
I highly doubt it, considering the same Naruto who dodged photons got blitzed by Orochimaru, and he would be irrelevant to the likes of BSM Naruto and Juubi-Jin Obito, much less Juubi-Jin Madara. The best Garou has at that point, is a shoddy constellation feat, which has many interpretations, from what I've seen, the least inflated calc, being around relativistic+, which frankly, is a joke for Naruto god tiers.
Juubidara is above SPSM Naruto, factually, neither of them would have been capable of doing anything to him alone, which is why both Sasuke and Naruto needed to work together to seal him.
Which brings me to the simple conclusion, that Garou isn't blitzing anything, especially with Madara's advanced reaction speed due to the Sharingan.
I know he can’t bypass it, but it’ll leave Juubidara in a condition where his body is unrecognizable as compared to Night Guy’s kick.
Bad example, considering Madara heavily jobbed against Guy and didn't take him seriously at all, not even using most of his jutsus that would have oneshotted Guy immediately.
Juubidara simply glances at Garou and puts him under a Genjutsu if anything, as he doesn't possess any resistance to mind manipulation, especially on the tier of someone like Madara. Infinite Tsukuyomi, if anything, would be overkill.
Look: Perhaps you missed some parts of my post - I already mentioned abilities/hax Juubidara has that save him from anything in Garou’s arsenal. Madara’s plain, clear advantage is his versatility.
Madara is stronger too, as I do not buy this Garou being anything above multi continental to be frank. But power is not even needed here, Madara would simply win by glancing at Garou. Or a Limbo clone can sneak up on him, and just kill him.
And how is a TSB-shield killing Garou when Sasuke & Sakura were completely fine after striking the shield unknowingly?
What? Sakura was never pierced by a TSB, she was pierced by a black receiver, and I am sure this has been debunked so many times. Madara can also deactivate the TSB's effects at will, so even if you don't accept that, it would just be Madara toying around.
When did Sasuke ever strike through a TSB shield? Are you referring to Sasuke stepping on a TSB platform in Kaguya's dimension?? That's Naruto simply deactivating the erasing properties of the TSB, because after all, it's created through reality warping, ying-yang release, it's nothing difficult to grasp.
A TSB would simply kill Garou, as he has no resistance its special properties.
We know Toneri could’ve used the TSB’s for that, but he didn’t. Basically, both of these examples are faulty when (1) Toneri doesn’t do this in-character and (2) his TK gained from the Tenseigan is not applicable in combat as well.
Irrelevant, Toneri didn't use TSB that much, but that wouldn't have even worked on Naruto who's naturally resistant to it, unlike Garou, who will be erased, having his soul destroyed as well.
He can more than apply his TK in combat, considering he will not be busy in dragging the moon, lol.
Toneri doesn’t have many, if any advantages to begin with… he can defend himself with shields but his use of the TSB’s wasn’t as good as Juubidara’s or Juubito’s.
Toneri doesn't need any particular advantage other than one in the versatility department. Garou cannot resist TSB, nor can he even resist his telekinesis to be honest.
TSB don't change in function unless the user willingly decides to change its properties, you would have to prove Toneri's TSB is any different than Madara's, as otherwise, that seems headcanon to me.
GWRE’ isn’t moon-level, and Winged Garou has a feat quite above that. TSB wouldn’t even be used to erase him anyway.
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Nothing suggests Garou's durability is moon level either though, and scaling him to his Extreme Fa-Jin, which is scaled to moon level through fan-calcs(same way Toneri's GWRE is scaled to moon level), is faulty.
If you consider the Fa-Jin moon level, then, to avoid double standards, the GWRE should be considered moon level as well, as both get to that through calculations, and not actually on panel destruction feats(with Garou's actually being questionable, as multi continental is the more acceptable placing).
So, I really don't see a way for Garou to beat Toneri. A barrage of Truth Seeking Orbs+ his telekinesis, would get the job done.
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