Could MCU Avengers Beat DCEU Justice League Now?

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Nah, Superman still solos.

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#202 RajjarsAlt  Online

Superman couldn't solo Faora and Nam-Ek.

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#203 BladeOfFury  Online

@rajjarsalt: A weaker version of Superman, and why is a Kryptonian losing to 2 Kryptonians a bad feat for the Kryptonian?

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#204 xZone  Online

@boc said:

Nah, Superman still solos.

Serious?

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Avengers most likely. Numbers advantage compensates for speed diasadvantage.

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#206  Edited By cupofreality

Flash & Superman annihilate. Justice League doesn’t even have Shazam, Green Lantern nor Manhunter & they’d still annihilate.

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#208  Edited By RajjarsAlt  Online

@bladeoffury said:

@rajjarsalt: A weaker version of Superman, and why is a Kryptonian losing to 2 Kryptonians a bad feat for the Kryptonian?

Weaker by feats? MoS WE is still the most hyped stat feat behind the nuke. But perhaps you mean experience and control of powers.

Because 2 Kryptonians aren't adapted, and Kal's been adapted for a while. It's not a bad feat, because Faora is fast and Nam-Ek is strong, but the problem lies in the fact that not being able to solo Faora and Nam means he can't solo a team who absolutely $hits on Faora and Nam.

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@rajjarsalt:He was far slower, for one. In MoS, he was tagged by bullets despite actively trying to dodge them, while in JL he made a casual bullet-timer look frozen. The same bullet-timer who was about as fast as him in BvS.

That's circular. Faora and Nam Ek scale from Superman, so you're basically saying that the Avengers will beat Clark because the two Kryptonians beat Clark, and they are weaker than the Avengers because they're on par with Clark who would get beaten by the Avengers. So the Avengers would beat Clark because Clark would get beaten by the Avengers.

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#212 BladeOfFury  Online

@xzone: I hold MCU high tiers far above him in physicals, so if no one has morals, I'd argue for Clark taking Stormbreaker and skewering the team with it. Not sure if that's fun enough for a CaV though lol

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@xzone: I mean I don't consider Clark to be capable of winning any other way

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@rajjarsalt:He was far slower, for one. In MoS, he was tagged by bullets despite actively trying to dodge them, while in JL he made a casual bullet-timer look frozen. The same bullet-timer who was about as fast as him in BvS.

That's circular. Faora and Nam Ek scale from Superman, so you're basically saying that the Avengers will beat Clark because the two Kryptonians beat Clark, and they are weaker than the Avengers because they're on par with Clark who would get beaten by the Avengers. So the Avengers would beat Clark because Clark would get beaten by the Avengers.

Those bullets are km/sec tho.

Nah, this isn't circular because the Faora and Nam don't get Superman scaling. I judge them by their showings.

I say that Avengers stomp Clark because they'd stomp the 2 Kryptonians, who proceeded to step all over Clark. Unless you somehow think Faora and Nam-Ek are even slightly capable of taking this team.

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@rajjarsalt:

Those bullets are km/sec tho.

So mach 3? JL Superman isn't getting tagged by mach 3 projectiles.

Nah, this isn't circular because the Faora and Nam don't get Superman scaling. I judge them by their showings.

Yeah, and their showings include beating Superman around.

I say that Avengers stomp Clark because they'd stomp the 2 Kryptonians, who proceeded to step all over Clark. Unless you somehow think Faora and Nam-Ek are even slightly capable of taking this team.

What's your reasoning for them stomping the 2 Kryptonians? I agree that they'll stomp, but the reason is that MoS Clark (who would get destroyed by the Avengers) kept up with them.

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they can't as long as they're statue

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Statues don't fight back.

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Yes

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Thor solo.

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Naa, they all die horribly. They can't even keep up with Superman. Thor dies first

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Thor solo.

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#226 RajjarsAlt  Online

@rajjarsalt:

So mach 3? JL Superman isn't getting tagged by mach 3 projectiles.

Except when he did...

Yeah, and their showings include beating Superman around.

Yeah, because Faora has speed, Nam has strength as a legal DD-lite, and the whole evolutionary adv Faora was mentioning helped.

Plus, why scale Nam-Ek? That train car tosser seems to be the best strength feat of all the Kryps tbh.

What's your reasoning for them stomping the 2 Kryptonians? I agree that they'll stomp, but the reason is that MoS Clark (who would get destroyed by the Avengers) kept up with them.

I think they'll stomp because there's likely a decent standard in which you can say - these types of energy outputs will harm these characters - and - this amount of stats is necessary to outstat or huer these characters - are applicable to a couple Avengers.

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@bladeoffury: Do you consider JL Clark to be near light speed?

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@xzone: Nah, I'm not trying to do a CaV atm

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@boc: Yeah, quite near. For the purposes of the battle forum, It shouldn't matter whether he's 1% of the speed of light or 90% of it though, as either one of these will make him ridiculously faster than the vast majority of opponents.

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@bladeoffury: Wouldn't that give him comparable physicals to MCU high tiers, considering he quite easily 2-shot Diana (someone who can tank a crash at multiple thousands of mach speeds)?

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@rajjarsalt: When an established character (Superman) struggles with a featless character (Faora), would you say that anyone with better feats than the featless character can give Superman a run for his money?

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@boc: I don't think we see her crash from the throw

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@bladeoffury: We don't. But she comes back quickly. What else could have happened?

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#235 BladeOfFury  Online

@boc: Used levitation to stop herself eventually?

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#238 BladeOfFury  Online

@xzone: Rather close to it. It's based on

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@boc: Doesn't she have limited flight capabilities?

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@bladeoffury: While I find that sketch in itself, she definitely isn't even going to know that she needs to stop. She's traveling multiple thousands of times the speed of sound, which is way above her reactions. Given how quickly she returns, she'd need to stop soon.

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#242  Edited By UberCoffeeTime

Xzone has met his match in the wanking competition

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#243 BladeOfFury  Online

@kolkent: I'm sorry, I just feel inclined to make the assumption supported by evidence, and not the one that isn't.

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#244  Edited By BladeOfFury  Online

@boc: her speed drastically declined in the first several feet that she covered, so if it continued to do so, she would be able to react after a little

This whole feat is sketch, I don't even think the writers considered her landing, just that she was thrown away.

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@kolkent: I'm sorry, I just feel inclined to make the assumption supported by evidence, and not the one that isn't.

Your assumption is totally reasonable

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#247 BladeOfFury  Online

@boc: But anyway, you can use stuff as simple as Superman punching Aquaman or headbutting Diana to bypass this problem (he would move his fist at hundreds of thousands of times the speed of sound, right?).

It gets complicated here though, as many speedsters don't hit as hard as slower high tiers. Not entirely sure how to proceed.

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@bladeoffury: The scene kind of changes it's speed throughout. When Superman jumps, he (and Arthur/Diana) go much faster during his descent. There's no reason she would drastically slow down.

I also think Superman throwing them at that speed could be used as a feat. I'd discredit this for speedsters like Flash and QS, because it's often out of their intent to be this strong. Whereas it could definitely be within Superman's. There's also the chance that writers don't see this as a strength feat at all tho, even for Superman.

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@boc: But anyway, you can use stuff as simple as Superman punching Aquaman or headbutting Diana to bypass this problem (he would move his fist at hundreds of thousands of times the speed of sound, right?).

It gets complicated here though, as many speedsters don't hit as hard as slower high tiers. Not entirely sure how to proceed.

Not sure. With the throwing scene, it's a lot more certain that he threw them at that speed. He easily could have been jobbing when he punched them, similarly to when he punched Batman.

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Yes.