Cosmic Armor Superman vs Soulfire Darkseid

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#1 Edited by GodsVileandDarkwing (1901 posts) - - Show Bio

THE MOST POWERFUL SUPERMAN

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vs.

THE MOST POWERFUL DARKSEID

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Rules:

  1. This is Superman at his strongest from Detective Comics without any injuries; whereas this is Darkseid at his strongest from Detective Comics without any injuries.
  2. Superman in prime, and has Cosmic Armor; whereas Darkseid in prime, and has Soulfire.
  3. 1-on-1 death battle.
  4. No interference or holding back allowed.

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Anywhere in the Multiverse.

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#4 Posted by GodsVileandDarkwing (1901 posts) - - Show Bio

The Source > Mandrakk.

The Source is nearly The Presence level. One of the main parts of Primal Monitor..

SF Darkseid's feat is better.

Question, sorry for my lack of comic book understanding, but wasn't The Source heavily weakened during the storyline when he fought against Darkseid, which is why Darkseid gave him trouble?

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#5 Posted by Magian (152487 posts) - - Show Bio

Soulfire Darkseid? Have seen that here in the past but no idea what it means exactly.

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#6 Posted by GodsVileandDarkwing (1901 posts) - - Show Bio

@magian said:

Soulfire Darkseid? Have seen that here in the past but no idea what it means exactly.

That's the version of Darkseid which appeared during the Post-Crisis of Detective Comics where he obtained an item called Soulfire, which allowed him to fight The Source in Death of the New Gods storyline by Jim Starlin.

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Comes down on cosmology interpretation.

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#10 Posted by Soratoumiga (4287 posts) - - Show Bio

Neither were as impressive as they are thought to be. SFDS probably wins, though.

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#11 Edited by MichaelJulius (1117 posts) - - Show Bio

@thought_robot: As I showed in that link, the Source Wall at the time of Death of the New God's surrounded the Promethian Galaxy as part of the edge of the universe. While this comic was being made, where Darkseid battled The Source, Final Crisis and this Cosmic Map was released with a new look at it. We can't link the two as the same because the authors said they made a mistake.

The Dark Knight Metal further directly discussed this exact problem. The Source Wall was busted and behind it was Bleedspace. We learned two things. The first, the Source Wall around each universe was retconned. The second, that the Source Wall was fake around the Multiverse and only lead to Bleedspace. There was nothing behind it. The Souce somewhere in Bleedspace or beyond it. Monitors are the only beings who can bottle The Bleed. Breaking it let out Perpetua. Bleedspace was back there and then Over Monitor eventually.

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Nil exists past the Bleedspace. And the Over Monitor's Edge is directly touching Nil.

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Mandrakk confirms. He was kicked out of Nil, fell all the way through the Over Monitor and landed in the Dark Dimension, another Multiverse.

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Superman stomps.

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#13 Posted by GodsVileandDarkwing (1901 posts) - - Show Bio
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#14 Posted by MichaelJulius (1117 posts) - - Show Bio

@godsvileanddarkwing: Death of the New Gods, where this Darkseid and Source fight take place, was written at the same time and just before Final Crisis started. Grant Morrison said just ignore it entirely, the entire comic series of Death of the New Gods. It isn't canon to his cosmology even though he wrote it. He immediately replaced it all with Final Crisis ongoings.

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#15 Posted by GodsVileandDarkwing (1901 posts) - - Show Bio

@godsvileanddarkwing: Death of the New Gods, where this Darkseid and Source fight take place, was written at the same time and just before Final Crisis started. Grant Morrison said just ignore it entirely, the entire comic series of Death of the New Gods. It isn't canon to his cosmology even though he wrote it. He immediately replaced it all with Final Crisis ongoings.

So in otherwords, Soulfire Darkseid is non-canon just like Heart of the Universe Thanos?

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#17 Posted by GodsVileandDarkwing (1901 posts) - - Show Bio
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#18 Posted by baph (2573 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman stomps.

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#20 Posted by y3kthunder (1265 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid wins as to quote him no matter how super youre superman your still a man and I'm a god

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#21 Posted by GodsVileandDarkwing (1901 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid wins as to quote him no matter how super youre superman your still a man and I'm a god

I remember that quote! But I forgot where was it from.

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#22 Posted by y3kthunder (1265 posts) - - Show Bio

@godsvileanddarkwing: lol I'm pretty sure it came from justice league unlimited the cartoon I don't remember the episode though

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#23 Posted by TifaLockhart (21442 posts) - - Show Bio

I vote Cosmic Armor Superman as Soulfire Darkseid was kinda lackluster. The Source was defeated by a mere three skyfathers.

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#24 Posted by TakenStew22 (3241 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman decides to create a story and the title is "The day Darkseid dies".

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#25 Posted by GodsVileandDarkwing (1901 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman decides to create a story and the title is "The day Darkseid dies".

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!XD

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#26 Posted by GodsVileandDarkwing (1901 posts) - - Show Bio

I vote Cosmic Armor Superman as Soulfire Darkseid was kinda lackluster. The Source was defeated by a mere three skyfathers.

About the three Skyfathers beating The Source, when did that happened?

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#27 Posted by y3kthunder (1265 posts) - - Show Bio

@tifalockhart: yea when did this happen also how is that worse than a guy who got beaten by a less than skyfather level attack honestly there biggest claim to fame is viewing the multiverse inside the orrey as germs

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#29 Posted by AnnamalHouse (429 posts) - - Show Bio

Obviously darkseid stands zero chance here. Like this isn't even a fight.

Source in that storyline was nothing impressive at all just like Darkseid.

Superman stomps

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#30 Posted by GodsVileandDarkwing (1901 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman stomps.

@baph said:

Superman stomps.

I need reasons for both of you people's answers other than just said character stomps.

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#31 Posted by Supermanthor (22700 posts) - - Show Bio

cas

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#32 Posted by Alisupo1 (323 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought Soulfire Darkseid is non canon.

Even though CAS wins.

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#33 Posted by WollfMyth209 (17311 posts) - - Show Bio

Wasn't it implied the Source was sorta just letting things happen when he confronted Darkseid, i.e. he sorta threw the fight?

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#34 Posted by GodsVileandDarkwing (1901 posts) - - Show Bio
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#35 Posted by GodsVileandDarkwing (1901 posts) - - Show Bio

@tifalockhart: yea when did this happen also how is that worse than a guy who got beaten by a less than skyfather level attack honestly there biggest claim to fame is viewing the multiverse inside the orrey as germs

Lol, we are both in the same boat.

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#36 Posted by y3kthunder (1265 posts) - - Show Bio

@godsvileanddarkwing: yes indeed I viewed a cav done between asgardianbrony I think his name is and scathantheapprover and I must say brony made real good points though the cav itself certainly was a heated mess

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#37 Posted by GodsVileandDarkwing (1901 posts) - - Show Bio

@godsvileanddarkwing: Cosmic Armor completely obliterates The Source in the new and old cosmology.

I see, so can I ask you to please stop changing your answer every time? It's annoying.

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#38 Posted by Risk0608 (348 posts) - - Show Bio

Cosmic Armor Superman? You mean Thought Robot? Uncultured hipster

Just kidding, joked aside, CAS should win handily. Theybwere manipulating stories, actual fiction, The Source has some feats where he was connected to the Presence, but he hasnt really shown them himself. Plus I do not see the Presence being threatened by any other creature whatsoever regardless of power unlike with The Source

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#39 Posted by GodsVileandDarkwing (1901 posts) - - Show Bio

@risk0608 said:

Cosmic Armor Superman? You mean Thought Robot? Uncultured hipster

Just kidding, joked aside, CAS should win handily. Theybwere manipulating stories, actual fiction, The Source has some feats where he was connected to the Presence, but he hasnt really shown them himself. Plus I do not see the Presence being threatened by any other creature whatsoever regardless of power unlike with The Source

Good answer.

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#40 Posted by TheOneAboveLife (1237 posts) - - Show Bio

CAS in my honest opinion.

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#41 Posted by GodsVileandDarkwing (1901 posts) - - Show Bio
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#42 Posted by GodsVileandDarkwing (1901 posts) - - Show Bio

@godsvileanddarkwing: yes indeed I viewed a cav done between asgardianbrony I think his name is and scathantheapprover and I must say brony made real good points though the cav itself certainly was a heated mess

Who are those people again?

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#43 Edited by y3kthunder (1265 posts) - - Show Bio

@godsvileanddarkwing: just to people who did a cav on the monitors power. It was messy but I thought there was good points in there.

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#44 Posted by jamespacker (659 posts) - - Show Bio

CAS

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#45 Posted by NarutoUzumakiMedakaKurokami (390 posts) - - Show Bio

CAS hard stomp and SF Darkseid's skirt wins.

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#47 Posted by Tedirey (2934 posts) - - Show Bio

CAS no problem

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#49 Posted by Ouroborik (4111 posts) - - Show Bio

Cosmic Armor Superman stomps and it's not even remotely close.

Soulfire Darkseid comes from a non-canon story where the Source isn't even universal.

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#50 Posted by Ouroborik (4111 posts) - - Show Bio

@y3kthunder: @soratoumiga: @thought_robot: Soulfire Darkseid defeated a non-canon version of the Source that isn't even universal.

Cosmic Armor Superman was bigger than 52 Multiverses and could shatter those multiverses to pieces with literal punches.

Cosmic Armor stomps.