Cosmic Armor Superman vs. Pre-retcon Beyonder

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DC Cosmology is different. There are multiple layers, each infinitely greater than the last

This claim is unsubstantiated. There's no evidence that each layer in DC is "infinitely greater" than the one below it, and there is explicit evidence to the contrary. For example, from Nil, Limbo is portrayed as smaller than a regular universe, and it doesnt "contain" any of the layers below it.

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#502  Edited By MichaelJulius

https://www.cbr.com/comic-book-characters-comic-book-limbo/

"Limbo is a metaphorical "place" where characters in the DCU go when their comics or character is no longer being published or written."

CBR confirmed this article was approved of by DC comics PR reps for accuracy prior to publication. Limbo is metaphorical.

The guy with Retcon in his name vs the guy who can hold the conceptual metaphorical realm of Limbo on his metaconceptual fingertip? The Beyonder cannot even handle altering the rules of Death in his own fiction as he see's fit, let alone being able to fight something that can contain his fiction's entire metaphorical space of Retcon/Continuity itself.

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This isn't a universe, or a dimension. This is DC Comics Continuity visually drawn for us. CAS stomps anyone who cannot affect their own Fiction's continuity.

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Cosmic Armor Superman stomps

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"Limbo is a metaphorical "place" where characters in the DCU go when their comics or character is no longer being published or written."

CBR confirmed this article was approved of by DC comics PR reps for accuracy prior to publication. Limbo is metaphorical.

No one claimed it wasnt metaphorical.

The guy with Retcon in his name vs the guy who can hold the conceptual metaphorical realm of Limbo on his metaconceptual fingertip?

You are assuming, erroneously, that because lower DC beings go to Limbo when retconned, that all retconned characters from other fictions are somehow under him. This is false. Beings higher than Limbo have been retconned, and if PRB was a character in DC he would certainly be well above Limbo himself.

If you have no better argument than "reeeeee Beyonder was retconned" then I take that as a concession that PRB wins. Thanks.

CAS stomps anyone who cannot affect their own Fiction's continuity.

Completely unsubstantiated, and CAS himself has never affected his fiction's continuity.

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People still stuck on this? Beyonder stomps.

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People still stuck on this? Beyonder stomps.

Just the cult.

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Guy with feats of bypassing the dc continuity dump > guy who cant. Just a group of users with anxiety over Monitor feats.

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Guy with feats of bypassing the dc continuity dump > guy who cant

0 Explanation as to how being past some arbitrary layer of DC means he can defeat someone in Marvel with much better combat feats. But that's the Monitor cult for you.

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Infinite Adapting power as well as infinite pre-threat trumping power > guy one shotted by Starfox.

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Nothing but anxiety over the DC hierarchy and fan interpretations of the scans that state the opposite of said fan interpretations.

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Infinite Adapting power as well as infinite pre-threat trumping power > guy one shotted by Starfox.

One-shotted? Weird. He didnt die in that issue. Not to mention, he was depowered in that scene.

If being depowered counts as an anti-feat... I guess that means Monitors can be killed by Green Lanterns and captured by Batman? Wild. There's no way Thought Robbot can win now.

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I am always impressed with the nonsense you guys are able to spin over a virtually fealtess one-off character who gets hurt by the heat of 10 billion Suns and is currently nothing more than a pile of scrap metal. Like I could see myself getting to this point after about at least half a dozen hammer blows to the head.

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@deagonx: Michael doesn't understand the Beyonder had taken a human form in Secret Wars 2. The form came with all the human limitations, like feeling cold, being too feeble to survive a fall etc. He willingly forsook his true infinite-D form for this. Of course, he was never in any danger.

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Marvel first 2

Dc last round but I'm not really sure

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Oh no. I'll just say team Marvel wins round 2 because I don't think that's controversial. PRB vs CAS could go either way.

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@deagonx: Michael doesn't understand the Beyonder had taken a human form in Secret Wars 2. The form came with all the human limitations, like feeling cold, being too feeble to survive a fall etc. He willingly forsook his true infinite-D form for this. Of course, he was never in any danger.

It's been explained to him before. He just ignores it like with everything else that gets debunked. 9 times out of 10 when you directly prove him wrong on something, he just sidesteps that part of the conversation, only to repeat himself later.

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#519  Edited By MichaelJulius

Because there is an entire group of "debaters" who are really upset that DC wants Monitors to be the strongest, who fully ignore two different comic series and two different authors and editors who say Mandrakk is literally God. When you touch The Forger's tools and materials, you get this vision. Not that Perpetua is God, but that Mandrakk is. The Infinity Book, literal omniscience incarnate visualized for us as a reader, says Mandrakk is God.

But, as we all know, the Crisis Squaddies have the answer when the book of Infinity had it wrong.

The Guy with Retcon in his name > the guy who can hold retcon on his fingertip. rofl.

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@thevoidofdeath said:

Why....

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#520  Edited By Deagonx

When you touch The Forger's tools and materials, you get this vision. Not that Perpetua is God, but that Mandrakk is. The Infinity Book, literal omniscience incarnate visualized for us as a reader, says Mandrakk is God.

1. The phrase is "a" God, not God. Plus, Mandrakk has lost every fight he's ever been in, so he clearly isn't God.

2. The book doesn't give you omniscient, that was proven at the end of Final Crisis when Rox Ogama Mandrakk was surprised about losing despite the book saying he would win. Right before he was killed by Green Lanterns.

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@xearesay said:

What’s wrong with WhoWouldWin? It’s a much better environment than here...

Surprisingly it is. Any disagreements here after a few posts leads to claims of wanking

Honestly true

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Beyonder

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it's funny to see people's opinion sway in a short span of few months, CV is such a hive mindset

Superman still wins all three

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Yes, we get it, fan interpretation of statements, text, phrasing and entire comic series is required for the Crisis Squad to have any argument what so ever.

52 = Infinite

"made meaningless and consumed = just sleeping, despite eyes wide open, emaciated and zombie like in visual, arm stuck up at a 90 degree angle and jaw dropped, that means sleeping as we all know.

The term God doesn't actually mean God, it means something else!

Mandrakk is actually the son of Mar Novu despite being made from The Overvoid, but the interpretation of that is Mar Novu made Mandrakk, of course! Silly me. How could I miss this?

Countdown Monitors explaining they have not catalogued the entire Multiverse and Mandrakk having catalogued it all already means they are the same guys, I see that interpretation! Silly silly me. Went right over my head.

Reality warper roflstomped by Starfox will somehow beat a being who can 1v1 part of the literal comic page that comics are printed on. Silly me, of course, physics > the comic page.

The infinity book doesn't know what it is talking about, neither does the Forger! But Crisis Squaddies, they got the answer!

Is this a joke at this point? You guys hate Monitor's so much that you need to fan interpret and redefine terms just to make yourselves feel like you had some type of valid argument? lol.

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1. Beyonder

2. CAS

3. Beyonder and LT

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@deactivated-5d755a684b00b said:

CAS solos all rounds. he transcends Hypertime by 2 fiction-reality degrees, which contains Mike Carey's "the Unwritten" cosmology of a hyper upper 3 infinite hierarchy of stories beyond physics and archetypal cosmologies where each layer is 2-3 fiction-reality difference above the lower level.

CAS holding Limbo allows him to solo most fictions already. Including the VSBattlesforce Yog Sothoth.

This is not something you can no longer argue against.

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R1 and R2: Beyonder wins.

R3: CAS wins.

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What is the evidence on how the character with Retcon in his name can defeat the thing that held Retcon itself on his conceptual fingertip.

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What is the evidence on how the character with Retcon in his name can defeat the thing that held Retcon itself on his conceptual fingertip.

Retcon and Limbo have nothing to do with eachother. Retconned characters don't go to Limbo, forgotten characters do, (characters who are out of print, obscure, etc.)

What is the evidence that Thought Robot can destroy even a single universe, much less an infinite multiverse?

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CAS due to the previous points made.

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#531  Edited By TakenStew22

CAS jumps into real life and rips the comic pages.

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CAS blinkstomps marvel let alone beyonder

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#533  Edited By MichaelJulius

The Nuh Uhh argument isn't a valid argument in the adult world. The author who wrote this comic stated it twice that Limbo is the continuity dump for the DCU and where things removed from continuity go. He said its the same place that he wrote about in Animal Man. You have no evidence to support your claims beyond your opinion. That is why your post is completely empty of all traces of a scan, article link, copy and paste of any text or a picture of any kind.

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#534  Edited By Deagonx

@michaeljulius:

The author who wrote this comic stated it twice that Limbo is the continuity dump for the DCU and where things removed from continuity go.

He prefaced it by saying "it's where characters who are almost forgotten go" which is how it's actually described in the comic. It has nothing to do with being retconned. Likewise, being removed from continuity (because you are forgotten about) is not the same as being retconned. You've provided 0 evidence that Limbo has anything to do with being retconned. Nor provided any explanation for how, if this is true, what happens to characters beyond Limbo who are retconned (which has happened repeatedly)

That is why your post is completely empty of all traces of a scan, article link, copy and paste of any text or a picture of any kind.

If two locations in DC are completely unrelated, all I need to do is point out that there's no evidence that they're related. You are the one with the burden of proof, trying to equate two unrelated locations.

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Beyonder wipes him away.