Cosmic Armor Superman VS Monkey

EQUALIZED STATS

Mismatch

Cosmic Armour Superman doesn't even poses an physical body. How is the monkey gonna hit him?

Who is this Monkey we're talking about exactly ? I know two monkeys , one is the Monkey King and the second is Monkey D Luffy. That being said , even with stats equalized , he erases their verse by blinking since that is his literal power.

@mountacnologia: No I mean just a normal Monkey

This monkey would solo the DC universe:

@ultimatedarkgod:

Either way , doesn't matter who it is. Even the monkey god will get the same treatment as his subjects , and even at the same time as them.

Monkey is Goku. Goku solos all of fiction and real life casually. TR gets annihilated miserably.

@ultimatedarkgod:

Btw do you know spoilers of the new CoTE volume 11.5 that was released today ? Plz tell me , I am longing for them.

@mountacnologia: Stop wank Cosmic Armor. He isn't even a mid-tier abstract level in DC.

@byondeon: Just because some people keep ranting that he isn't and keep ignoring scans , that doesn't change facts. There may be 100 idiots out there , as long as you know the facts and don't join their hive , that's what matters. People's opinions aren't going to change facts , and Idc whether you like it or not : it's a fact. Otherwise prove it wrong , which nobody has till now except for denying the proof , and you call it wank. Lmao.

Monkey rips superman beyond and the thought robot in half

@mountacnologia: I mean, he have never been proven that powerful without actually missinterpret the scans. I will not go in on him though, because I have not the time..

Monkey wins by throwing poo down Superman's mouth

@byondeon: Actually he was. Multiple times. I don't want to say this , but you ( if you're in their group ) and those Lucifer wankers just don't want to accept facts. You cannot prove your point , and hence you resort to ignoring scans and lying on the face. It was proven not once , not twice , multiple times in almost every argument that ever took place and it ended with you guys starting ranting and insulting the other side when you realised that you cannot win the argument. You guys have a hive mentality : that would be the correct word to mention. The scans were never ever misinterpret , it was you guys who ignored them , I repeat : it was you guys who ignored them. Just consider the argument that took place yesterday on a thread , the person vouching for Lucifer was purposely censoring scans and details and when he was exposed , he and his comrade started lying on the face.You guys want nothing but your favourite characters to be recognized by everybody , and for that you will even create new alts to pressurize other people. I am not one of those who is going to join a herd of sheep , it's better to retain your sanity alone than join some stupid hive and corrupt yourself.

This thread is still going on? This should be locked. Monkey is too op, he eats TR and Mandrakk at the same time, then proceeds to ask for seconds.

@mountacnologia:

Facts?

You people overplay Hypertime as if it is this EXTREMELY EXCEPTIONAL thing when it is Infinite Universes of Infinite Possibilities, made up of quantum mechanics. Something most Multiversal fictions already have.

Michael Julius embarassingly wanked Quantum Super-Position when this already exists in all forms of Quantum Multiverses.

The weakness of the monitor wanker is that your brains are only hard-wired to BS your way out of Comics debating. You are very inexperienced Multiverse debating and multi-tiering discussions in general.

You come of as EXTREMELY naive, and you throw arguments, offering Cosmology Feats that are not even really unique at all. And is something that geometry of higher dimensions applied to cosmology does.

You don't even know that Dimensional Tiering is not everything, with your obsession that LAWL ENDLESS REALMS ARE BELOW LIMBO when many characters in fiction have defied the concept of Hierarchy with Hax despite being lower dimensional.

@haddockus:

Well , let's just check YOUR claims why Presence is superior.

1) Presence is omnipotent , cannot be killed ---> Debunked , he already was killed two times , and quite ironically one time was actually by a monitor and the other being by Gabriel. Even the author confirmed that Presence is 100% dead.

2) Presence is the Primal Monitor ---> Debunked. He is not the Primal Monitor , and the authors' statements what you used to claim were also debunked as being censored by vested interests , with the author quite ironically himself contradicting your claims.

3) Presence created the multiverse where Superman and all live ---> Debunked. He never created that multiverse , on panel statements debunk your claims.

4) The Endless exist outside in the Overvoid ---> Debunked. Presence himself doesn't have control over the Overvoid , he is just a creator , he can't make the Overvoid his own , debunked with scans backing up statements.

5) Presence created Monitors ---> Debunked. He never even created the DC multiverse , let alone monitors.

6) Mandrakk is the same as the Monitor brothers ---> Debunked. He was a superior species to the Monitor Brothers , directly made by the Monitor Mind sent to purposely enter the story of DC.

7) Mandrakk and TR fought inside the Source Wall ---> Debunked. They fought on the planet of Nil , which is a floating bubble between the Monitor Sphere and the Overvoid , there was no Source Wall when Mandrakk fell into the Overvoid.

8) Mandrakk got killed by Green Lantern Corps ---> Debunked. The people claiming this can't even differentiate between the original Mandrakk which fought TR and died and the shadow of his former self.

Literally your every argument of Presence winning was debunked , and then you guys resorted to insulting and ranting. Because that's what you can do after all.

What? the non-canon Lucifer Part II story? That literally EVERYONE IN DC, even Grant Morrison, Neil Gaiman and pretty much eeverryone, freaking ignores? Even the Lucifer 2018/Sandman Universe literally gave a BTFO on that story as never even happening.

Unless you want me to cite that story that downgraded the Monitors that MichaelJulius claimed is non-canon? No?

The so called death by a Monitor was already debunked because the Presence's death triggers the non-existence of all angels. Not their deaths. BUT THEIR NON-EXISTENCE, because angels are the Presence's literal thoughts. Which never happened. Because the BODIES of Radiant and Spectre were still in-existence, and the Pax Dei were literally in-active.

2) Presence is the Primal Monitor ---> Debunked. He is not the Primal Monitor , and the authors' statements what you used to claim were also debunked as being censored by vested interests , with the author quite ironically himself contradicting your claims.

It was never debunked. Only mental gymnastics. This was assessed by many many many people and nobody uses the same conclusion as you.

Nobody is saying that the Presence is the Primal Monitor when the Primal Monitor does not even have well established intelligence as regular entities in DC.

But if you are going to "Composite" DC, it is a far better assumption than the lie that the Universe 51 is a Megaverse, that the Voids that the Presence resides/beyond in is not beyond all other things, and that Grant Morrison wrote every story in Vertigo like your buts claimed he did.

This is more of a problem that DC writers interpret the Void differently. That it is interpreted differently everytime, does not mean they are speaking of different realm voids.

It is simple that DC writers are not unified in how they treat the Void beyond Creation. Due to lack of system-policy because nobody cares. And because DC is not a MULTIVERSE-PUBLICATION focused fiction. It simply is a fact. And you are still CONFUSED about this??? Huh???????? I thought you "read" Comic Books?

Having said that, your solution to solving the contradiction by making the lie, that there are Voids in Universe A, B, or C, when the map and many plot points make this stupid and nonsensical, and HOW CAN QUANTUM MECHANICS CREATE NON-PHYSICS???? Which is also ridiculous. is very dishonest.

4) The Endless exist outside in the Overvoid ---> Debunked. Presence himself doesn't have control over the Overvoid , he is just a creator , he can't make the Overvoid his own , debunked with scans backing up statements.

That the Super-Celestials get killed and die by the concept of Death already debunks this. That Monitors are proven to be bound by the outcome of DEATH, already proves the Endless can extend invisible, conceptual influence.

The Endless are non-corporeal, formless, adimensional entities that are not bound by their respective dimension-level. They can affect higher dimensional beings, superior to them VIA metaphysics-hax. That their realm is below the Monitors is IRRELEVANT, because HAX IGNORES conventional power in all fictions and in DC as well, regardless if cosmic or not.

Something many fictions do, including Chinese Novels and Umineko have lower-dimensional beings affecting higher dimensional entities with Hax despite being inferior raw power wise.

5) Presence created Monitors ---> Debunked. He never even created the DC multiverse , let alone monitors.

Neither did the Overvoid. nor the Monitors. And for that matter, DC revealed that the entities beyond Heaven are even the writers of the Overvoid (lol). DC retcons who created DC many many many many times. This idea that ALL THIS TIME MORRISON IS THE MASTERMIND is another lie perpetuated by you and Michael.

6) Mandrakk is the same as the Monitor brothers ---> Debunked. He was a superior species to the Monitor Brothers , directly made by the Monitor Mind sent to purposely enter the story of DC.

Nobody is saying that the Nil Monitors are the same as the Brothers Three. I don't recall making this argument.

7) Mandrakk and TR fought inside the Source Wall ---> Debunked. They fought on the planet of Nil , which is a floating bubble between the Monitor Sphere and the Overvoid , there was no Source Wall when Mandrakk fell into the Overvoid.

The Source Wall is an inconsistent concept at best. Universe level then Multiverse level, and even under Snyder it's a freaking mess.

The Source Wall is an abstract, fluid construct, we have no idea why the Source Wall did not appear in Final Crisis, but official data maps by DC says that it should be officially.

Due to Writer-Induced-Stupidity, it merely did not appear in the comic when it was supposed to as outlined by the Map. Anywho, Nobody cares. The Source Wall could have been invisible? Who knows.

Think Morrison is not capable of plotholes? He is. He claimed that there were Infinite Universes all this time and that the 52 Universes were merely separated, despite the Monitors literally forgetting to mention that in FC. And they could have created new Multiverses if they wanted to, to create more Bleed with their Hax but didn't because PLOTHOLES.

PLOTHOLES, PLOTHOLES, PLOTHOLES, and even the so called "Meta" Monitors are full of it.

8) Mandrakk got killed by Green Lantern Corps ---> Debunked. The people claiming this can't even differentiate between the original Mandrakk which fought TR and died and the shadow of his former self.

Don't recall making this argument.

This thread is still going on? This should be locked. A Cosmic entity vs a monkey?

@mountacnologia: Sorry I don't read the LN, I don't see any fun in this and I still have hope in season 2 but you can go to CoTE Reddit they will tell you everything about the LN

https://www.reddit.com/r/ClassroomOfTheElite/

@byondeon said:

This monkey would solo the DC universe:

YES!!

@haddockus:

I've got my university exams , so I deactivated my account , but I forgot to reply to ya. This is my alt , created specifically for replying to you.

1)

What? the non-canon Lucifer Part II story? That literally EVERYONE IN DC, even Grant Morrison, Neil Gaiman and pretty much eeverryone, freaking ignores? Even the Lucifer 2018/Sandman Universe literally gave a BTFO on that story as never even happening.

Unless you want me to cite that story that downgraded the Monitors that MichaelJulius claimed is non-canon? No?

The so called death by a Monitor was already debunked because the Presence's death triggers the non-existence of all angels. Not their deaths. BUT THEIR NON-EXISTENCE, because angels are the Presence's literal thoughts. Which never happened. Because the BODIES of Radiant and Spectre were still in-existence, and the Pax Dei were literally in-active.

The author said that he decided to kill off Presence . Here :

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11115/111152821/7072518-0531148863-70641.jpg

( I can't post images because ComicVine doesn't let new users do that ).

Citation for death of Presence triggering the angels' "non existence" ? Because even in the Lucifer 2 story , even though non canon , your law was violated there.

2)

It was never debunked. Only mental gymnastics. This was assessed by many many many people and nobody uses the same conclusion as you.

Nobody is saying that the Presence is the Primal Monitor when the Primal Monitor does not even have well established intelligence as regular entities in DC.

But if you are going to "Composite" DC, it is a far better assumption than the lie that the Universe 51 is a Megaverse, that the Voids that the Presence resides/beyond in is not beyond all other things, and that Grant Morrison wrote every story in Vertigo like your buts claimed he did.

This is more of a problem that DC writers interpret the Void differently. That it is interpreted differently everytime, does not mean they are speaking of different realm voids.

No mental gymnastics there. It was debunked. Primal Monitor is the real god of DC in the author's own words :

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11115/111152821/7072515-6470986158-70536.jpg

Primal Monitor is the real god of DC ---> Established.

Your argument was Presence = Primal Monitor.

Presence's void is not Overvoid because :

1) Overvoid was never referenced in Vertigo, Vertigo's author had got nothing to do with it. They just were concerned about their own verse. So the void what they mean is the space beyond what Presence created. And Presence created heaven , dream , new genesis , silver city , which lie here :

https://www.dccomics.com/sites/default/files/Multiversity_Map_2400_53ee6b4c22d9a9.11031355.jpg

Presence did not even create the multiverse , let alone the overvoid being an aspect of him , evidenced here :

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11115/111152821/7073543-dream_story_1.jpg

And here is the Endless stating that they cannot affect beings outside their realm :

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11115/111152821/7073546-metal4_1_5a4c3e2585fa86.98169882.jpg

Lies. You are lying. When Vertigo merged with DC , it became a subset of DC , plain and simple. There's nothing more to it. The entirety of Vertigo us now encompassed in the Sphere of Gods. Presence can create multiverses like Perpetua , but he did not create the DC multiverse. The Endless hold power in the creations of Presence , not outside them. They hold power in the Sphere of Gods , ie the void which is an aspect of Presence , not outside them. As evidenced by themselves stating it. Plain and simple , end of story.

It is simple that DC writers are not unified in how they treat the Void beyond Creation. Due to lack of system-policy because nobody cares. And because DC is not a MULTIVERSE-PUBLICATION focused fiction. It simply is a fact. And you are still CONFUSED about this??? Huh???????? I thought you "read" Comic Books?

Not unified ? Vertigo literally merged with DC and became a subset of it. Vertigo is a subset of DC encompassed in the Sphere of Gods. Simple. The Overvoid houses both the multiverse as well as the Sphere of Gods. The Presence created everything in Vertigo , Perpetua created everything within DC. DC and Vertigo << The Overvoid , which houses both of them. And this was written by Grant , who ALSO SEEKED PERMISSION FROM VERTIGO COMICS WHILE WRITING THAT. YOU UNDERSTAND ? VERTIGO RECOGNIZES THAT AS CANON.

Having said that, your solution to solving the contradiction by making the lie, that there are Voids in Universe A, B, or C, when the map and many plot points make this stupid and nonsensical, and HOW CAN QUANTUM MECHANICS CREATE NON-PHYSICS???? Which is also ridiculous. is very dishonest.

What is this bullshit ? I don't have the slightest idea what you're saying. If you tried to bait , then you failed ,lol.

That the Super-Celestials get killed and die by the concept of Death already debunks this. That Monitors are proven to be bound by the outcome of DEATH, already proves the Endless can extend invisible, conceptual influence.

The Endless are non-corporeal, formless, adimensional entities that are not bound by their respective dimension-level. They can affect higher dimensional beings, superior to them VIA metaphysics-hax. That their realm is below the Monitors is IRRELEVANT, because HAX IGNORES conventional power in all fictions and in DC as well, regardless if cosmic or not.

Classic NLF , given that the Endless have already stated that they cannot harm beings outside their realm lol. By your logic , Death from Marvel should be able to kill LT as well as Mxyzptlk . No limits fallacy at best.

Neither did the Overvoid. nor the Monitors. And for that matter, DC revealed that the entities beyond Heaven are even the writers of the Overvoid (lol). DC retcons who created DC many many many many times. This idea that ALL THIS TIME MORRISON IS THE MASTERMIND is another lie perpetuated by you and Michael.

The Monitor and the Anti Monitor created the DC multiverse , which I already debunked in the scan above. DC multiverse =× the Sphere of Gods. Sphere of Gods is different from the DC multiverse. What is usually refered to as "multiverse" in DC is only the infinite universes inside the red bleed , not the Monitor sphere and not the Sphere of Gods. That's the reason it was stated Darkseid in his true form resides "outside the multiverse".

Nobody is saying that the Nil Monitors are the same as the Brothers Three. I don't recall making this argument.

There are some people using this argument to downplay nil monitors. May be not you , but there are.

The Source Wall is an abstract, fluid construct, we have no idea why the Source Wall did not appear in Final Crisis, but official data maps by DC says that it should be officially.

Due to Writer-Induced-Stupidity, it merely did not appear in the comic when it was supposed to as outlined by the Map. Anywho, Nobody cares. The Source Wall could have been invisible? Who knows.

Think Morrison is not capable of plotholes? He is. He claimed that there were Infinite Universes all this time and that the 52 Universes were merely separated, despite the Monitors literally forgetting to mention that in FC. And they could have created new Multiverses if they wanted to, to create more Bleed with their Hax but didn't because PLOTHOLES.

What ? Source Wall did not appear in FC so it doesn't exist ? Wow. Really wow. Then in what the heck was Perpetua sealed in ? Lemme tell you . The Monitor Sphere is the home for the Monitor brothers , the 52 monitors of their kind and Perpetua , who is sealed within the source wall. The planet nil floats between the Monitor Sphere and the Overvoid , and hence Mandrakk driectly fell into the Overvoid. It's even stated that the Overvoid devoured him , had the source wall been "invisible" that wouldnt have happened , he would've got stuck to the source wall. The infinite universes are still present , they are contained within hypertime. So no , he did not make any plothole.

So , yeah , I would say Perpetua = Presence , since they're both multiverse creators , and both their subordinates like the Monitor Brothers and the angels of Presence are equal. The Endless don't affect beings outside their realm , this was confirmed by the Endless themselves. They're just conceptual entities , nothing else. They're like Monitor and Anti Monitor , they get affected by the happenings in their realm itself. The Monitor and Anti Monitor too can't do shit outside their realm.

And Mandrakk > Perpetua and Presence since they're both multiverse creators , whereas Mandrakk was outside infinite multiverses. As evidenced from this scan :

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTzc6-_M5YldqgNeEKPsyk0Fa-70D_CHMTrbIHMbBlMncCRQmpZ

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/odyCiWQZe0ATlbrwnPaMlEbNgTw3Xse0Kzz2B-3DqyaUeQX-HvssJJTCF-AmRTMJU6-d6xZIMP8=s1600

That settles it. Period.

Anyway , I'll be taking my leave for 2 months since I've got to study now . I'll leave this to your interpretation.

Make it a Silverback Gorilla and you've got a good fight

ovisly Monkey cuz his beyond omnipotent

Monkey D luffy got this.

Monkey King Bambina solo Marvel and DC

Monkey stomps