All out battle
@debunkdude: And battler is not rooted to a true omnipotent and doesn’t contain a boundless power/meta transcendence like CAS. This is literally a mismatch. Comparing anyone here to CAS is like comparing bacteria to a fucking supermassive black hole.
No one here is capable of dealing with TR.
@debunkdude: How though? CAS is a suit powered by boundless meta essence. It’s rooted to Monitor Mind in every way shape and form. Stating Battler beats CAS is arguing that battler can effect something like Monitor Mind(true omnipotent). Which he can’t.
The magic system that battler uses was created by beatrice in her temporary creator level Amp which draws power directly from the source.So battler's hax and CAS's hax are on the same level.And battler's hax is better
Well CAS is basically the source(Yahweh type example)to Monitor Mind given form and Mandrakk was the voice of Monitor Mind given form.
It’s that exact same relationship. I fail to see how you can get much greater in hax then being an extension of a true omnipotent.
@debunkdude: I’m on mobile so I can only give you links to images.
“Monitor makes a concept to contain the flaw.”
“The flaw is sealed scabbed over with divine metals.”
“A sentinel suit...”
“Monitor makes a probe...”
“You’re the part of Monitor that felt contaminated by the Multiverse.”
“Dax Novu’s final gift...”
Put the pieces together and follow the pattern. Every time Monitor Mind “creates something” he’s not really creating it. He’s making extensions of himself.
It’s the exact same relationship Yahweh has with the Voice and The source.
This can be further supported by the WIP cosmic map stating “the source is the white page” on then mid left.
The Overvoid is basically unconsciously generating stories within itself. Once it becomes sentient story will spread. It’s an endless process of a true omnipotent reacting to itself.
The essence Thought Robot contains is meant to be the unconscious(source) part of Monitor that generated story. Mandrakk embodies the sentience of Monitor Mind reacting.
TR = Embodiment of unconscious Monitor
Mandrakk = Embodiment of conscious Monitor
The two will react back and fourth to create an endless story of for all eternity. Hence “Mystery of the silent sentinel infects haunts Monitor, infects the immaculate intelligence with questions, speculations, pestilential crawling narratives” and “legend takes root and story like a contagion spreads unchecked.”
It’s an endless process. That’s why I also said you’re comment in another thread mentioning “TR dies” is dumb. A main thematic is that stories are never ending. They’re endless.
The power sets TR and Mandrakk have all stem from Overmonitor.
Instant/infinite adaption power = boundless. Embodiment of all concepts = platonic. Narrative creation. Meta existence.
They’re literally just Overmonitor extensions given meaning. I don’t understand why no one sees this.
@xearesay: well no techincally that is not the voice source relationship you speak of.Technically all of creation is just an extension of the ein sof.So what now, are humans platonic?It depends on the deepness of said connection to the source.I still remain on my original conviction that CAS represents the positive half of concepts, while Mandrakk the other half.
And battler possess a complete set of duality(true/false) unlike CAS.
A complete set>>>infinite incomplete sets
@debunkdude: Lol Ein sof is some loose ass connections Etriel made to try and incorporate his personal beliefs into fiction. Please don’t tell me you actually take any of that literally.
Dude TR IS THE SOURCE. Mandrakk and TR were not really. They were just a symbolic representation of an eternal process being played out by a sentient God. TR being the fundamental ignition for stories and Mandrakk being the never ending reaction.
It’s the reason Mandrakks power was continuously called “Eternal.” https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a7afae9a66b77e95949ffde6827c833b
@xearesay: The ein sof as of now is the best model for the boundless source so yeah, dont bring etriel here.If DC's omnipotent contradicts the properties of an ein sof then it is sad.(dont worry I consider it ein sof for now)
And TR being the source is too headcannony for me to accept.It also contradicts the fact that TR represents the positive parts of dualities
And lol at the eternal part any perpetual being in fiction is eternal.and perpetual beings are like 100s in fiction
@debunkdude: Literally none of what Etriel said to support Ein Sof was true or could be supported by evidence. Leave Etriels BS out your comments and I’ll leave his name out of my comments. Sound fair?
He represents a duality created by Monitor Mind. He isn’t a literal dual being himself. And I don’t think the representation of Grants Source and is anywhere near Kirby’s source. So there is no headcanon even being used. The source Grant speaks of, is the one source of the flaw. Which is truly just an unconscious part of Overmonitor.
Being eternal and being an eternal process is not the same thing.
1) Calling things headcanon is not an argument.
2) Why are you bringing up what the author saids? You asked me from the start of this conversation to justify my claims not using author statements. And then you complain about my arguments not aligning with author statements... Oook. Lol.
@debunkdude: You literally asked me to limit my sources to only scans from the start of this conversation and then complain that I’m not using the best possible sources. How about you use better logic next time.
1) You’re thinking of Jack Kirby’s source which is not what I’m talking about.
2) lol it’s literally the exact same as the Lucifer/Michael relation. CAS = Michael. Mandrakk = Lucifer. You just refuse to see it. Grant even called the Monitors Angels and called Dax Novu the Radiant one. Lol it’s literally the exact same.
Generates race of Angels with Dax Novu being the first, the Radiant one.
Mandrakk wrestled the angel of contamination.
Rox Ogama stood with Mandrakk during his rebellion(Spectre) and was casted out of Nil.
A war going on in “heaven.” The only war that took place was in Nil. Lol.
@debunkdude: No they don’t. They embody all concepts individually. The duality is meaning Monitor Mind created to give meaning. What Mandrakk and CAS each embody is boundless omnipotence. CAS holding the power of Overvoid and Mandrakk holding the power of Monitor Mind. Both of them are the Overmonitor given form and meaning. Have you payed attention to one comment I’ve made?
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