Cosmic Armor Superman Vs DC's best brothers.

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Rules:

NO DENYING AUTHOR CLAIMS.

FEATS FROM SCAN'S ONLY.

keep it clean guys.

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>"keep it clean"

>DC cosmology

pick one

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CAS

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the brothers wins

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DISCLAIMER:

I decided to have it DC vs DC so nobody can make ludicrous claims like " Powers outside of verse don't work" althought the entirety of comic vine is to take the characters + their powers outside of their verse and be pitted.

>"keep it clean"

>DC cosmology

pick one

It's not hard to respect each other.

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CAS

the brothers wins

Contrast already. Any insight behind the opinions?

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#6  Edited By MichaelJulius

CAS. He has infinite adaptation to any threat before it happens and infinite power scaling. Both of these statements are backed up by comic statement evidence. The Brothers do not have these two power sets.

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>"keep it clean"

>DC cosmology

pick one

lmao

OT: Either of the bros solo.

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#8  Edited By Earendill

Mismatch.

Either of Angel spite stomps.

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Here is how Lucifer looks at creation. He needs to fly out into the void to see it. He is basically a tiny aspect of it as a whole and cannot contain all of it.

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Here is what creation is like to CAS. A tiny spec in a jar.

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Creation to Lucifer. Giant thing he cannot contain.

Creation to CAS. Sits in a jar behind him.

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@michaeljulius: "The stronger he becomes, the stronger I become to oppose him" that means their powers are not infinite. They still have limits, they just stretch these limits. on the other hand we have Lucifer with an ininite willpower and Michael with an infinite raw power. They can strip him out of his power. I say either one of them would erase CAS from existence. With infinite willpower and raw power they can make a thought robot of their own if they wanted to. That's just how big the gap between the archangels and CAS.

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CAS powers don't apply in a hypothetical battle so.

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#12  Edited By MichaelJulius

CAS is cited as every single concept that can exist and that doesn't exist

The power of infinite willpower is really a joke compared to something that is willpower. Neither Lucifer, nor Michael have the feats to compare. Neither can or have held Creation in the same manner, or can without extra help.

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@michaeljulius: "The stronger he becomes, the stronger I become to oppose him" that means their powers are not infinite. They still have limits, they just stretch these limits. on the other hand we have Lucifer with an ininite willpower and Michael with an infinite raw power. They can strip him out of his power. I say either one of them would erase CAS from existence. With infinite willpower and raw power they can make a thought robot of their own if they wanted to. That's just how big the gap between the archangels and CAS.

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#14  Edited By MichaelJulius

Michael and Lucifer only generated the physical matter of the Multiverse. They did not fill it with conceptual Platonics, which pre-dated them. Their entire foundation and existence was ruled by Platonics. Such as the concept of existence, the concept of super powers, the concept of love, hate, winning, losing, struggle, the concept of emotions, the concept of God, the concept of being whatever they wish to be, the concept of infinite dominion over an angel, the concept of having whatever power they need to win, that is what CAS is.

You say that Michael and Lucifer win this battle. However, the concept of win is CAS. That is why they both lose instantly. Someone explain to me how someone who literally isn't the concept of win, can beat the concept of winning.

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#15  Edited By Hypermaet

Whole vertigo is a piece of shit

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Mismatch.

Either of Angel spite stomps.

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CAS is the concept of Mismatch. CAS is the concept of you believing what you do. CAS is the concept of Lucifer's end. CAS is the concept that the writers used to make Lucifer and Michael. CAS is the concept of your adorable favoritism and inability to accept facts, because they emotionally destroy you knowing that the hierarchy you grew up on...is now a crumbled piece of nothing compared to a Monitor.

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Mismatch.

Either of Angel spite stomps.

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Apparently, death of the endless doesn't exist. Oh, does not matter: Lucifer is a transconceptual and transduaal entity, because he represents the will of God. Duality is a lower concept to him and Mandrakk and TR are based on duality. TR represents good, Mandrakk represents evil. Both TR and Mandrakk are concepts that derive from the will of god.

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Mismatch.

Either of Angel spite stomps.

This

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> TR is beyond all concepts

Yet fights mandrakk(showing that he and mandrakk fall under the concept of change)

Fucking dies(showing he is under death)

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@debunkdude: Gets beaten by the thing that makes all other concepts and things. Still does very well for itself.

What Mandrakk did to CAS, CAS does to Battler and Lucifer before the fight starts.

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@debunkdude: Yeah, I never understood that. How does one above all concepts still manage to get offed?

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@o0Deadman0o: yeah man it is really just about consistency.Technically you can never transcend concepts without being truly omnipotent.

Beings can govern said concepts though like the endless and lucifer to my knowledge.

None of this "TR transcends death and still dies" bullshit

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CAS is the idea of a spite and stomp. The brothers are not and one of them was roasted by a Creation level impact. Creation sits in a small jar in Nil.

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Mismatch.

Either of Angel spite stomps.

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^^^^CAS is the Idea of death

Dies

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CAS is the idea of Death, but the thing that made the concept of death was still harmed by CAS. You sitting here typing CAS dies, is a concept that is CAS. CAS dying, is a concept, and that still is CAS. You don't understand Metaphysics or Platonic Concepts. You have a lot of trouble with this.

ALL THE CONCEPTS ARE CAS. End. The only thing that can "defeat" and "win" over every single concept that exists and doesn't exist, is the "Thing" that can make all the concepts. You trying to justify this means you didn't read Final Crisis, it was explained.

"Form and Meaning surrdender to the Overvoid" Your trying to find meaning in this, is explained directly in the comic as flat out dumb.

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^^^^CAS is the Idea of death

Dies

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^^^^even the thing making the concepts falls under the concept of "making"

All of these are facets of "change"

TR DIES badly

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@debunkdude: Correct. And you trying to explain it is going against what the comic says directly. You are introducing your own bias. Using whatever justified response you desire. CAS is the other half of Monitor Mind. The thing that makes no sense. And says you surrender meaning to it.

You've lost this. The concept of losing to this is CAS. The concept of you whining is CAS. The concept of your answer...is CAS. He is all the concepts that exist and do not exist.

Non existence means nothing to these two. They are beyond that.

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yeah

Odin is omnipotent because the panel said so

Nothing changes that

Odin solos DC

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#30  Edited By EineFaust

Why do you intentionally ignore the fact that everything in DC comes from the idea of Superman?

Vertigo is no exception.

No matter how you deny in your headcanon, Fact is the fact.

And CAS is powerd by the idea of Superman.

Deal with it.

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^^^^^^so what do I do with this opinion fact?

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@debunkdude:

Your "opinion" is meaningless before the fact confirmd by Doomsdayclock and interview by Geoff.

You don't want to accept because accepting it proves your idiocy though.

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#33  Edited By MichaelJulius

@debunkdude: Your opinion is that the angels beat the concept made to go investigate and contain them. You are factually incorrect.

Monitor Mind > Destiny and the Angels. All day long, none of you disagree.

"Monitor Mind makes a concept to contain the Flaw"

Angels are inside the Flaw. Concept is stronger. Concept is Mandrakk and CAS. You lose.

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@michaeljulius: Micheal has the power to destroy ALL of creation no matter what as long as it exists it is part of creation and he can destroy it bro. Monitor mind is still part of creation bro so Micheal solo

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@einefaust: Just because dr manhattan cant erase superman doesnt mean jackshit here

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#36  Edited By MichaelJulius

Here is Creation in a jar behind CAS. Show me scans of Michael and Lucifer holding creation.

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Here is Mandrakk tanking Creation x2 level impact without a scratch on him, while being depowered and nowhere near his original form.

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Here is the author saying he is more powerful than any Biblical entity in DC.

Here is the author saying again he is beyond all the Gods of DC

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Here is the author saying Nix Uotan Dreams up The Presence and the angels.

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Here is DeMatteis saying not to use Vertigo to justify DC, it only works DC to Vertigo.

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Do you require anything else?

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@michaeljulius: Micheal has the power to destroy ALL of creation no matter what as long as it exists it is part of creation and he can destroy it bro. Monitor mind is still part of creation bro so Micheal solo

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@michaeljulius: Monitor Mind being a part of creation? More like all of creation was drawn on him.

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#38  Edited By MichaelJulius

It Literally says he made a thing to contain the Flaw, it is automatically more powerful than anything else. Shhhh, mate. Don't tell anyone The Endless and Angels are listed below monitors on the map. That will upset people.

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@michaeljulius: Monitor Mind being a part of creation? More like all of creation was drawn on him.

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Lol, if Monitors and CAS weren't enought, Monitor Mind is spite against all of Vertigo.

It Literally says he made a thing to contain the Flaw, it is automatically more powerful than anything else. Shhhh, mate. Don't tell anyone The Endless and Angels are listed below monitors on the map. That will upset people.

Angels stomp the thing that Overvoid made to contain them without them even knowing. Logic ftw.

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@michaeljulius: Monitor Mind being a part of creation? More like all of creation was drawn on him.

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It even goes out of its way to cite the difference between Gods and New Gods. The Cosmic Map understands that the "new gods" are Darkseid and Highfather types. It then goes on to say the term Gods is different from New Gods, and the Angels, Endless and the Word are all different than New Gods when the term "God" is used.

Context. The entire opposition doesn't know what context is. Remember, The vertigo Void is Overvoid because its white.

Oops...its black in this scan. Guess they are wrong.

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Lol, if Monitors and CAS weren't enought, Monitor Mind is spite against all of Vertigo.

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It Literally says he made a thing to contain the Flaw, it is automatically more powerful than anything else. Shhhh, mate. Don't tell anyone The Endless and Angels are listed below monitors on the map. That will upset people.

Angels stomp the thing that Overvoid made to contain them without them even knowing. Logic ftw.

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@michaeljulius: Monitor Mind being a part of creation? More like all of creation was drawn on him.

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That means all the panels in Vertigo must be true as well as in DC. Which means you stomped yourself. Even when you are joking and messing around, you still somehow manage to destroy your own arguments. I've never seen anyone do that before.

yeah

Odin is omnipotent because the panel said so

Nothing changes that

Odin solos DC

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So CAS is basically god of dc verse?

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The brothers

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@olajoe1:

Why do you ignore Geoff John's confirmation that everything comes from Superman?

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Litearlly. Yes. The Author said it 4 times.

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So CAS is basically god of dc verse?

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As long as you make a thread with CAS, you know you will get @michaeljulius come in and be wrong.

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@einefaust: Geoff has worked on Final Crisis. Which automatically means they won't listen to him on any subjects revolving around Final Crisis.

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Been done. Lucifer and Michael win.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/cosmic-armor-supermanliving-tribunal-vs-lucifer-mm-679142/?page=3

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@bdelloidgrain2:

And, it was proven to be wrong because of official confirmation that everything in DC comes from Superman.