Im pretty sure spectre can at the very least stalemate living tribunal their powers are virtually equal am I missing something in the terms of their feats if so what are they
Reasons like this is why comic vine is also named troll home
Doesn't everyone say Spectre is the DC counterpart to LT?
Yes but that not means they are equal in power and i expect you dont buy vaeternus bs he never accept a dc character loses and if you wish know why i call bs pm me
Im thinking im talking with a non-biased person right?
Spectre is close to LT in power, but not equal. Superman is kind of a non factor here. Spectre can put up a great fight against LT and if he utilizes his unbound power, and doesn't jobb, he can actually win, but LT takes it most likely. Not easy at all though.
Spectre isnt close to LT in power and CA Sups>Spectre
I feel that he is. I do think Spectre could take on LT, and if it wasn't for PIS, I think he could win. I explained my reasons earlier in my comic vine experience, so I will just post them below lol.
"Honestly, taking out feats, I think the Spectre and LT are meant to be equal in abilities, but not execution. They can both do whatever they want basically, but how much of it they can do is where the difference is. LT wins against Spectre because he has no limitations placed on him by TOAA unlike the Spectre. People need to realize, Spectre does not need backing by TP because he is the embodiment of God's wrath. He is however, constantly depowered or limited by TP because of the sheer power he possesses. I read once that Spectre's wrathful power easily corrupts him and he could go on a rampage that tears apart DC. This could indicate why he is always being contained, whereas LT is not in danger of "losing his marbles" with the power he possesses.
Now, as far as duties, It kind of makes sense since LT is the "Balance-keeping Judge" of the multiverse or Omniverse (correct me if I am wrong) so the LT's power, while granted by TOAA, solely belongs and is controlled by LT. He is designed to be neutral until an event causes him to interact. Because he knows his power, he has no need for a connection with TOAA because his power and him are one in the same. He is nigh-omnipotent with only TOAA as his superior...mostly.
Then you have Spectre, who is my favorite actually. He is designed to pass God's judgment of vengeance on mortals. His task is a bit more narrow then LT's because whereas LT judges all of the verse, Spectre is usually only tasked with mortal affairs. His main power is focused on the judgment of people, who are far less complex than Abstracts and entities. Because he is the embodiment of God's destruction, he can basically destroy whatever and whoever he pleases. which can even extend to abstracts. God's anger is not something to be simply pushed aside. And I'm not getting biblical, God of the DC is who I'm talking about, not God of all creation. But anyway, because of the Spectre's pure wrathful nature and power, he is seemingly always being depowered and humbled by TP as a means to keep him in check. I feel that this is the main difference between him and LT. The Spectre's embodiment by definition, is unstable because he is God's wrath, God's anger. The LT's power is more honed, because he is a balancing force.
So, even though both have similar jobs, they are working for two different companies. Both are nigh omnipotent aspects of their creators. Both have the authority to pass Judgement. However, LT has TOAA who granted LT 100% of his power contract, whereas TP seems to give the Spectre 50% most of the time, and that is me being generous.
An unbound Spectre, with no limitations, would either stalemate LT, or give him a heck of a battle, and possibly beat him, but because of LT's stability and order, and Spectre's PIS inconsistency, he defeats Spectre, who would lose to an ant bite if TP had a say so. The Spectre that fought Michael would definitely shake LT up.
1. The Presence isnt omnipotent like TOAA. Primal Monitor is
This is constantly a debate. The Presence = TOAA because they both are the Supreme beings of their creation. The Primal Monitor represents the writers, just as TOAA does, but that does not mean TP is any less powerful in the comic verse. Unlike Marvel, DC decided not to reference themselves or constantly make appearances like TOAA did. However, the writers of DC (Monitor) granted the Presence just as much power as TOAA displays in Marvel so as far as I'm concerned, they are still equal, doesn't matter how they became as such. You have a being who represents the writers (TOAA) vs a being who embodies the authority of the writers (TP) in it's universe, from the actual writers themselves (Monitor).
I love how DC and Marvel have many omnipotents and supreme beings TOAA, Beyonder,IB,Primal Monitor, Presence, GEB, Elaine Belloc, Lucifer+Michael=Presence lol
Thats just the way the writers are I suppose...
I say cmon guys clear it
2. Unbound Spectre isnt his most powerfull form
But he had the best feat of taking on Michael, which is why I used him.
He still gets stomped so i not see how this spectre alone beat LT
Because of his potential. Nobody else in DC could stand in the same ring as the Archangels so the fact that Michael stated that Spectre was formidable is actually a good feat. Without the Presence limiting him, Spectre's raw power is enough to give LT a run.
3. Michael stomp spectre ever
I mean he is MICHAEL DEMIURGOS, of course he stomps lol
Man you are overrated MD he is powerfull but not on the level you say
Nah, he is just that powerful. God created two sons, one with his power (Mike) and one with his will (Lucy). Michael Demiurgos IS the power that created the DC Multiverse. His power is literally that of the Presence in that it is infinite and absolute. He brought DC out of Nothing and Lucifer shaped that power. Technically speaking, his demiurgic power is the reason the DCU even exists. Out of all of DC existence, only God is holds more raw power than him. Much like LT, he is only second to his creator.