Connor Hawke vs David Cain

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#1  Edited By Dex_Starr

H2H only

Fight 1: Cain in his prime

Fight 2: Cain in Batgirl

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#2  Edited By Supreme Marvel

: Your presence is needed. Since you've read most/all of Cain's appearances.

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#3  Edited By ReVamp

Hawke.

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#4  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
It depends. Even past his prime, Cain was shown to defeat Deadshot while having his hands and feet chained, briefly stalemate Batman during NML and lost to him in a relatively good fight in Fugitive. Also suffered a very narrow defeat from Cassandra at the climax of Batgirl v2, but I don't think he's quite on that level. That fight was heavily dictated by the relationship between the two. In his prime, he supposedly stalemated Deathstroke for an hour. Hawke isn't on that level, if Beechen's writing is to be trusted (and for the record, despite being a Cain fan, I do not trust it). 
 
On the other hand, Connor comes with some very heavy praise (Batman called him # 2 in the world behind Shiva, something Tim Drake later on endorsed), lost very narrowly to Shiva (in what is his highlight), stalemated Richard Dragon later in his career (in a series that its canonicity is still in question, or rather was, pre New 52, but Dixon's wishes regarding Connor's level in comparison to both Dragon and Shiva were very clear), defeated the Bamboo Monkey (a character who, in turn, defeated Nightwing and Robin at the same time before Hawke saved them), and defeated the Silver Monkey in their rematch (in a fight in which PIS/CIS played a part while Connor was on the ropes and prior to him turning the table). 
 
Anyway, Cain should win round 1 (but it's difficult to prove, at any case), and Hawke should, and IMO, would, win round 2.
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#5  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
@Supreme Marvel said:

@Morpheus_

By the way, this does not work on me.
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#6  Edited By Supreme Marvel

@Morpheus_ said:

@Supreme Marvel said:

@Morpheus_:

By the way, this does not work on me.

h, thinking you're special? Mod powers getting to your head. FORE SHAME! :P I tried using the hash tagging way. Guess that's a fail.

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@Dex_Starr said:

H2H only

Fight 1: Cain in his prime

Fight 2: Cain in Batgirl

What's he doing in there , the sicko .

I don't read a lot of either but from what I've seen Hawke is superior to Cain , but I don't know enough about Cain to measure his ability in his prime.

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#8  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
@Supreme Marvel: I am special, but that's not a part of it. I simply shut down my notification preferences when it comes to quotes or @ replies. :P
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#9  Edited By Supreme Marvel

@Morpheus_: Well that'll do it.

New list: Make a better, Morpheus Signal!

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#10  Edited By Dex_Starr

@Supreme Marvel said:

@Morpheus_: Well that'll do it.

New list: Make a better, Morpheus Signal!

Just spam the hell out of his page, that's how I get his attention =P

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#11  Edited By nefarious

Some David Cain feat scans would be nice. I like to see and read ART.

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#12  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
@Nefarious said:
Some David Cain feat scans would be nice. I like to see and read ART.
 
Since you asked so nicely.   
 
    
 

 
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#13  Edited By Supreme Marvel

I enjoyed the bit after the kick off the roof where she tried to eventually save him. Although she didn't want to. Batman's like, you tried, that's the important part.

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@Morpheus_: Sorry, I didn't say "please". :)
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I think David Cain in his prime wins...

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#16  Edited By Onemoreposter

Connor. He was suppose to be at the forefront of the DCU in terms of h2h. But ollie came back and everyone forgot about him :(

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#17  Edited By Supreme Marvel

@Onemoreposter said:

Connor. He was suppose to be at the forefront of the DCU in terms of h2h. But ollie came back and everyone forgot about him :(

Dixon wanted him no.2. And as you said, Ollie returned and he fell by the way side. But us comic lovers will not forget him.

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#18  Edited By Onemoreposter

@Supreme Marvel: True that man. I was thinking about it. I really am starting to hope they take Wally and Donna and Conner and put them all on an earth where the new generation has taken over the reigns. Pretty much like the DCU before all the resurrections mixed with a little pre-crisis earth 2.

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#19  Edited By Supreme Marvel

@Onemoreposter: I believe Earth-2 will be focused on the older generation. JSA and that. Maybe Earth-3?

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#20  Edited By Onemoreposter

@Supreme Marvel: No. I wasn't talking about the planned earth 2. Any earth would work. I'm was just suggesting it would draw off aspects of the OLD earth 2

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#21  Edited By entropy_aegis

Connor puts him in a coma.