Composite JoJo character vs Composite Bleach Character

@baph:Fast or not, he's occupied, and it just takes 1 second to activate the time stop.

• Except he is not. Since he is much faster, there is no reason why he does not one shot the stand army and the user as well before he activates the time stop. He can also see the future and can know of the opponent's personality and memories via Royd's ability. He can either: kill the user or copy the time stop and act within it anyway. Or he can do both.

@sagathelegend:

Except he is not. Since he is much faster, there is no reason why he does not one shot the stand army and the user as well before he activates the time stop. He can also see the future and can know of the opponent's personality and memories via Royd's ability. He can either: kill the user or copy the time stop and act within it anyway. Or he can do both.

Because he's going to be facing an entire army attacking him, do you really think he's going to somehow blow up everything whilst being attacked from every direction?

Good luck targetting a stand user while being attacked by thousands of stands each with hax abilities.

The user stops time, and erases him.

Because he's going to be facing an entire army attacking him, do you really think he's going to somehow blow up everything whilst being attacked from every direction?

• Yes, an entire army of thousands means nothing to someone who can simply nuke them all. He can take out the entire army by himself in a single attack. They would be much slower than him. He can just throw a country or planet level blast on them and they all die. He can also destroy them all with thousands of arrows, due to Uryu's attack which fires at least 1200 arrows. All at once. He wont be able to use time stop because his time stands will be already dead because of the blast, as he will be too.
• You are also assuming that the User can summon thousands of stands at the same time and that the Composite Bleach would just let them do that. What stops the composite from one shotting the JoJo's before he can summon any of them?

Good luck targetting a stand user while being attacked of stands each with hax abilities.

• Who all die due to a single attack. There is no reason for him to not do that. He can kill them all before they activate any hax and kill the user too due to speed advantadge, plus status increase if he wants.

The user stops time, and erases him.

• You mean the Bleach user does that. As I said, he can copy those abilities and will know about them due to the Almighty and Royd's ability. What stops him from using them himself?

@baph:

That scenario won't play out with almighty. He can't be overwhelmed because he knows what will happen and can easily behead every single stand in an instant.

You are underestimating the almighty here. He beheads them all in the future before they even think or form the tought of stopping time

Millions of zanpakutou >>>> thousands of stands

Those require specific requirements in order for those to activate: The World OH needs touch, and although GER doesn't, the way it interacts with the Almighty just wouldn't work out.

I agree that the Bleach character is massively inferior, but the Jojo character just cannot permanently put him down.

Wait, actually, with Made in Heaven and Mandom, they might be able to overcome the Almighty. Infinite speed + Reality Overwrite from the World OH might do it.

He knows that he will die, good luck doing anything in time stop or skipped time.

Anyway, in my opinion for now it is this

Round 1: Composite Bleach stomps

Round 2: Composite Bleach or stalemate

Round 3: Composite Bleach or stalemate

@bninja: Made In Heaven needs a lot of time to get infinite speed and I doubt he would have the time here. The Bleach composite can also copy all of his abilities, negate most of their hax with almighty and stomp in AP and speed regard

@sagathelegend:

Yes, an entire army of thousands means nothing to someone who can simply nuke them all. He can take out the entire army by himself in a single attack. They would be much slower than him. He can just throw a country or planet level blast on them and they all die. He can also destroy them all with thousands of arrows, due to Uryu's attack which fires at least 1200 arrows. All at once. He wont be able to use time stop because his time stands will be already dead because of the blast, as he will be too.

Yeah because the stands are going to pause and not attack him, and wait for him to fire the attack.. yeah no.

Good luck killing Notorious B.I.G.

You are also assuming that the User can summon thousands of stands at the same time and that the Composite Bleach would just let them do that. What stops the composite from one shotting the JoJo's before he can summon any of them?

He doesn't need to summom them, i already explained this before.

Who all die due to a single attack. There is no reason for him to not do that. He can kill them all before they activate any hax and kill the user too due to speed advantadge, plus status increase if he wants.

He's not fast enough to dodge the stand attacks from every direction.

He's going to be getting ragdolled by every stand, dragged into other dimensions, getting the iron in his blood turned into forks, aged, poisoned, transmutated etc.

And while thats not enough to stop him, it's enough to make time in order to stop time and erase him.

You mean the Bleach user does that. As I said, he can copy those abilities and will know about them due to the Almighty and Royd's ability. What stops him from using them himself?

Yeez, idk... the thousands of stands with a shit load of abilities?

I'd like to add that, unless there's a rule allowing it, Stands can't be harmed anything except another Stand. It says that they're visible, not that they can be hurt. It's not like you can simply take out the user either, as plenty of haxed Stands are long ranged and automatic (such as the one currently being fought against in JoJolion, something that no one from Bleach can really deal with).

@RikuYamaha: Does that Summon specifically state it could summon ANY character from IRL fiction?Bcoz I highly doubt it.If he could summon god tiers of fiction,there would be basically no story at all

@baph:

You are not getting this

He knows what will happen because the moment the fight starts, he has already fought that battle countless times. he knows time will be stopped at 12:00pm and he dies at 12:01pm. So he instantly beheads the stand from the timeline at exactly 11:59pm.

Are you catching my drift yet??

@sagathelegend:

I am pretty sure he was able to move in Julius time skip, not because of resistance but because speed doesn't matter to it.

That's why the author literally puts GER speed as none. And that wasn't a mistake because the same guy puts Pucci speed at infinite.

GER>>>made in heaven

@saxz:

You are not getting this

He knows what will happen because the moment the fight starts, he has already fought that battle countless times. he knows time will be stopped at 12:00pm and he dies at 12:01pm. So he instantly beheads the stand from the timeline at exactly 11:59pm.

Are you catching my drift yet??

No because he's gonna get bombarded and spammed by the thousands of stands, no chance to blast them all away instantly, which is enough for time to be stopped and erased from existence, there's nothing he can do in a situation like that.

@saxz:

I am pretty sure he was able to move in Julius time skip, not because of resistance but because speed doesn't matter to it.

• No, anyone can move in Diavolo's time skip, and there is nothing stating that speed does not matter to GER at all. In fact, if speed did not matter to it, Diavolo would not have dodged his attack, precognition or not, and GER would not have been killed on the future that Diavolo saw.

That's why the author literally puts GER speed as none. And that wasn't a mistake because the same guy puts Pucci speed at infinite.

• No, he puts his speed as none for reason I don't know. Stand stats don't really make a lot of sense or represent a lot but whatever. His none means nothing since it has no feats on itself to back it up.

@baph:

Lol how can he get bombarded by thousands of stands when he has millions of zanpakutou protecting him.

He can see the future, he can't get bombarded and he can't be caught off guard.not only does he have AOE attacks like Rukia AZ that one shots everything within a city block radius no questions asked. The bombardment doesn't matter because of his future sight, he knows exactly which stands are threat and which are not,so he beheads all the threat in a second. The same way he broke Ichigo's Bankai and horn.

@sagathelegend:

From his perspective, yes. They are way slower than him. Most of them have Hypersonic speed which is nothing compared to the Composite's Relativistic Speed to FTL Speed at base, which can be increased futher with multiple stats increases.

Star Platinum is canonically Faster than light, even if you call it an outlier this is "Composite" so it still counts, even if he's as fast as , Star Platinum can stop time before he does it and ragdoll him around enough to make time and then all the stands attack, making even more time and ensuring the win.

When Notorius B.I.G gets feats of surviving soul destruction on the Composite's level we can talk about him being a problem. Ir also can only be activated when the user dies, so it is worthless here.

The OP said Composite Jojo, so that means every stand that has been used by a character, even after death that stand belongs to Carne, he used his last energies to continue, and appeared at a certain point in Jojo, so therefore he has Notorious B.IG.

And he's not going to destroy the soul of something that doesn't have one due to his whole creation context.

All of the relevants (Star Platinum, Silver Chariot, Golden Experience, Tusk), he would need to summon. Not every stand acts in an autonomous manner and those who do not need to be summoned at will.

Jotaro had a fight at the start of Part 3, he says it took him effort top stop SP, meaning SP was acting without his consent, based on his will. So again, you're wrong, there's clearly several examples of stuff like that happening.

He is. They are the ones that are not fast enought to tag him in anyway possible. He can also see them all with the Almighty.

No, Star Platinum has been confirmed as being Faster than Light, even if he were to somehow match his speed, time-stop gives him the edge 10/10.

He is not. He is faster than their all. You saying they will interact in anyway is also ignoring his passive soul crush which will passively disintegrate them all in a radius of at very least 12 miles.

He gets dragged into other dimensions, and ragdolled by Star Platinum in stopped time(of course SP can really harm him but thats enough for the other stands to come into play) and then other stands such as Cream, Hey-Ya(luck manipulation), Za handos, and gg.

Except it is not. You are also still the ignoring the fact that the composite will know of those abilities (Almighty and Royd's power) and will copy them. So he will be still able to move even with time srop activated.

He won't have time to copy them while in stopped time. Once he gets erased from existence, gg.

He has like, thousands of stands around him attacking him, he wont have the chance to specifically copy SP's abilities.

Who will never get the chance to activate them because they will be dead before that.

I already debunked this, without even using GER, since im arguing R1, the other rounds GER lol stomps by himself.

@saxz:

Lol how can he get bombarded by thousands of stands when he has millions of zanpakutou protecting him.

He can see the future, he can't get bombarded and he can't be caught off guard.not only does he have AOE attacks like Rukia AZ that one shots everything within a city block radius no questions asked. The bombardment doesn't matter because of his future sight, he knows exactly which stands are threat and which are not,so he beheads all the threat in a second. The same way he broke Ichigo's Bankai and horn.

It's not about getting caught of guard, it's about him not being able to do anything against stands that can:

Teleport him to another dimension, erase his body by dragging him to another dimension, manipulate luck and stop time to erase him from existence, and thats like, 5 stands, not all of them, who each have unique abilities.

SP is fast enough to stop time before he goes full ape mode, and thats the end of the Composite Bleach character.

@baph:

Star Platinum is canonically Faster than light, even if you call it an outlier this is "Composite" so it still counts, even if he's as fast as , Star Platinum can stop time before he does it and ragdoll him around enough to make time and then all the stands attack, making even more time and ensuring the win.

• Outliers are still outliers. Composite allows all versions od the characters's not all feats. Just the ones that are valid. And Jotaro FTL is contradicted the entire series, so don't start bringing that here. If you want to go that route, I will use the feat of a fodder shinigami dodging a light beam casually in the Soul Society arc.
• Via scalling Bankai Ichigo (At least 5 times stronger >> Soul King Yhwach >> Base Yhwach>> Shikai Ichigo >> Mimihagi >> Dangai Ichigo (At least four times stronger tham Hollow Mask Ichigo)>> Aizen >> Hollow Mask Ichigo (Hueco Mundo Arc)>> Bankai Ichigo (Hueco Mundo, was able to fight Ulquiorra much better after receiving a power up) Hollow Mask Ichigo (At least twice aa powerful as Bankai, given he used it to dodge Gin's ability which doubles the speed of his sword)>> Bankai SS Ichigo (At least 5 times faster than his normal form due to bankai) >> Shikai Ichigo> Hisagi (Who easily dodged a point black light beam). I could go on, but it easily makes the Bleach character far faster than SP's FTL which is only a bit faster scalling from SC, outlier or otherwise, but outliers are not allowed, composite or otherwise. Jotaro is still tagged by really slow attacks throught the series that completely invalidate the FTL SP notion.

When Notorius B.I.G gets feats of surviving soul destruction on the Composite's level we can talk about him being a problem. Ir also can only be activated when the user dies, so it is worthless here.

The OP said Composite Jojo, so that means every stand that has been used by a character, even after death that stand belongs to Carne, and appeared at a certain point in Jojo, so therefore he has Notorious B.IG.

• Yes, but Notorius B.I.G can only be activated after death, composite does not let you break the rules of the stand. Carne can use it but cannot activate it without dying.

And he's not going to destroy the soul of something that doesn't have one due to his whole creation context.

• He has a spiritual body thou, and that would still be broken by Soul Crush. He also can just be BFR forever with Caja Negación.

All of the relevants (Star Platinum, Silver Chariot, Golden Experience, Tusk), he would need to summon. Not every stand acts in an autonomous manner and those who do not need to be summoned at will.

Jotaro had a fight at the start of Part 3, he says it took him effort top stop SP, meaning SP was acting without his consent, based on his will. So again, you're wrong, there's clearly several examples of stuff like that happening.

• You gave just one example of a specific stand. All stands are differents and have different abilties and mechanisms. Some abilities may activate but it will not summon the stand passively and make they fight the enemy perfectly.

He is. They are the ones that are not fast enought to tag him in anyway possible. He can also see them all with the Almighty.

No, Star Platinum has been confirmed as being Faster than Light, even if he were to somehow match his speed, time-stop gives him the edge 10/10.

• A bit FTL going from feats and that is an outlier. The Composite JoJo will never match his speed, because he is so far beyond it is not even funny.

He is not. He is faster than their all. You saying they will interact in anyway is also ignoring his passive soul crush which will passively disintegrate them all in a radius of at very least 12 miles.

He gets dragged into other dimensions, and ragdolled by Star Platinum in stopped time(of course SP can really harm him but thats enough for the other stands to come into play) and then other stands such as Cream, Hey-Ya(luck manipulation), Za handos, and gg.

• No, he dies. You are still ignoring all stands dying passively from soul crush regardless of speed.

Except it is not. You are also still the ignoring the fact that the composite will know of those abilities (Almighty and Royd's power) and will copy them. So he will be still able to move even with time srop activated.

He won't have time to copy them while in stopped time. Once he gets erased from existence, gg.

• He will copy before that because he has Almighty and highter speed.

He has like, thousands of stands around him attacking him, he wont have the chance to specifically copy SP's abilities.

• He will one shot all of them (Including SP). Also don't pretend the Almighty does not exist, he will know exactly which stand he will need to copy and will copy when he wants.

Who will never get the chance to activate them because they will be dead before that.

I already debunked this, without even using GER, since im arguing R1, the other rounds GER lol stomps by himself.

• GER is a weak spiritual being who gets soloed passively by Aizen's Soul Crush. He gets negative diff in any round as if he were nothing.
• You debunked nothing since I proved the composite is faster, outlier or not.

@sagathelegend: GER negates Aizen soul crush. stands are manifestation of life energy, a fighting spirit or soul. Aizen soul crush is going to be completely countered by GER who will not allow composite bleach character to reach a victory. fAlso no way to kill comp jojo with the stand d4c

Even so we still have Dio who is affect the jojo multiverse absorbing souls from different timelines and universes, countering GER and having a reality rewrite ability that stomps comp bleach.

You also have Novel kars who can steal anyones ability and make it more powerful. Over powerd GER and killed him. so much more that honestly Novel Kars solos r3.

Batman with a week of prep time solos both.

@saxz: again... jail house rock... you can only remember 3 things at a time and that involves things like your name, what you’re putting on, what you want to do etc. Heavy weather turns him into a snail by light and subliminal messages, weather report himself is immune to his stands abilities.

Btw I’m just debating R1. Any other round is an even bigger stomp for jojo

@blackwizzard17:

GER negates Aizen soul crush. stands are manifestation of life energy, a fighting spirit or soul. Aizen soul crush is going to be completely countered by GER who will not allow composite bleach character to reach a victory.

• No, it does not. GER cannot activate his ability if he is dead. Give him feats of resisting getting his soul destroyed first and then he can think about negating something. He will get destroyed in an instant by Aizen's Soul Crush so he will not have time to activate that ability.
• It is not instantly thou, since it took a few pages to take full effect and anyone can move and use their abilities within the time skip too..

fAlso no way to kill comp jojo with the stand d4c

• Not if he gets his soul and stands destroyed passively.

Even so we still have Dio who is affect the jojo multiverse absorbing souls from different timelines and universes, countering GER and having a reality rewrite ability that stomps comp bleach.

• Reality Overwrite is useless since it needs the hands of the user to do so. The Composite can just use the Almighty to tear off that stand's hands and them they will be useless.

You also have Novel kars who can steal anyones ability and make it more powerful. Over powerd GER and killed him. so much more that honestly Novel Kars solos r3

• Novel Kars maybe, but I don't really knows his feats. I doubt that he is faster than the composite thought, so the Bleach one can also copy all of his abilities instantly and stalemate or kill him.

how does he do that when they go out of existence and erase jojos memory of them with the Vanishing Point...?????

Can someone tell me how the hell ger supposed to do something against somebody with full controll over space and time ? Or the other stands against the abilities of Azashiro or Kusaka?Do jojo characters have any resistance to soul based attacks or soul earse? Or conceptual hax , like ichibe's ?

@mrviking: no one in bleach has full control of space and time

@ymirgod: it doesn’t matter if he remembers them or not, once jail house rock is active on someone it works, heavy weather doesn’t matter if they know you exist or not you get turned into a snail. And I’m 100% sure spamming time stop is in character. Nevermind with Jail House rock composite bleach won’t even remember what it is they want to do.

@mrviking: Who in bleach manipulated space and time? Lol

Azashiro’s ability gets negated by GER, or it’s not even gonna get used because of jail house rock.

Ichibei’s hax gets negated by some random part 6 stand.

Even though at first I thought composite JoJo would win handily, now I think that it could go either way.

@blackwizzard17:

Outliers are still outliers. Composite allows all versions od the characters's not all feats. Just the ones that are valid. And Jotaro FTL is contradicted the entire series, so don't start bringing that here. If you want to go that route, I will use the feat of a fodder shinigami dodging a light beam casually in the Soul Society arc.

You can use all you want, the fact is that Jotaro is stated to be FTL by the writer, you can cry all you want, it is cannon, and it's actually stated.

yukio freely creates dimensions and can even manipulate the time there to flow at different speed from real world so he does

soul king is obvious

tsukishima+yhwach+cleaner combination is heavy

oin from movie 2 has literally the power to control time and space read up on that.

@sagathelegend:

Outliers are still outliers. Composite allows all versions od the characters's not all feats. Just the ones that are valid. And Jotaro FTL is contradicted the entire series, so don't start bringing that here. If you want to go that route, I will use the feat of a fodder shinigami dodging a light beam casually in the Soul Society arc.

You can use all you want, the fact is that Jotaro is stated to be FTL by the writer, you can cry all you want, it is cannon, and it's actually stated. Either you're in denial or i don't know, lol.

Via scalling Bankai Ichigo (At least 5 times stronger >> Soul King Yhwach >> Base Yhwach>> Shikai Ichigo >> Mimihagi >> Dangai Ichigo (At least four times stronger tham Hollow Mask Ichigo)>> Aizen >> Hollow Mask Ichigo (Hueco Mundo Arc)>> Bankai Ichigo (Hueco Mundo, was able to fight Ulquiorra much better after receiving a power up) Hollow Mask Ichigo (At least twice aa powerful as Bankai, given he used it to dodge Gin's ability which doubles the speed of his sword)>> Bankai SS Ichigo (At least 5 times faster than his normal form due to bankai) >> Shikai Ichigo> Hisagi (Who easily dodged a point black light beam). I could go on, but it easily makes the Bleach character far faster than SP's FTL which is only a bit faster scalling from SC, outlier or otherwise, but outliers are not allowed, composite or otherwise. Jotaro is still tagged by really slow attacks throught the series that completely invalidate the FTL SP notion.

See? that's the difference, you have to go back to the entire series to scale 100 characters from 1, while SP is actually stated to being FTL, sorry but that's literally what it says, SP has the means to react to the Composite Bleach character, and he will.

Yes, but Notorius B.I.G can only be activated after death, composite does not let you break the rules of the stand. Carne can use it but cannot activate it without dying.

He has a spiritual body thou, and that would still be broken by Soul Crush. He also can just be BFR forever with Caja Negación.

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A bit FTL going from feats and that is an outlier. The Composite JoJo will never match his speed, because he is so far beyond it is not even funny.

I like how you're trying to twist and bend rules smh, it doesn't matter if it activates with a dead user or not, it's a stand that belongs to Carne, meaning this Composite Jojo character is COMPOSITE meaning it has all the dead, and alive characters merged into 1, which means he has B.IG

Prove that he has a spiritual body, if you're talking about the user the B.IG. is not exactly dependant on his user other than the energy he gets at the start, and since this is a Composite Jojo character, he already has the energy of Carne.

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Where was it stated that it's "a bit FTL" you're literally pulling statements out of your ass that aren't there.

The Composite Jojo has a character with FTL, the fact that you're going full denial to try and dodge is funny, it was stated by the writer already, if you don't like it then i suggest you try something else other than "nah man i dont believe it he's not fast"

No, he dies. You are still ignoring all stands dying passively from soul crush regardless of speed.

And you're either playing blind or dumb, i already responded and countered this.

He will copy before that because he has Almighty and highter speed.

You can repeat it all you want, it's not going to happen and i already proved why, unlike you.

He will one shot all of them (Including SP). Also don't pretend the Almighty does not exist, he will know exactly which stand he will need to copy and will copy when he wants.

Again, copy and pasting the same argument, good luck copying someone whilst in stopped time, being able to see the future won't save him from being STOPPED IN TIME.

GER is a weak spiritual being who gets soloed passively by Aizen's Soul Crush. He gets negative diff in any round as if he were nothing.

You debunked nothing since I proved the composite is faster, outlier or not.

Yeah i'm pretty sure you're trolling at this point, come back when you have a real argument other than "no!!! he slow i dont believe it!! even though it's something stated by the god damn writer." lol.

I already countered everything you said, and you're still replying the same argument over and over again.

The fact is The Composite Jojo wins R1 and stomps the other rounds.

@blackwizzard17:

Sorry, meant to tag the other user, but for some reason i tagged you instead, lol.

JoJo takes it every single round and utterly godstomps in R3.

@ymirgod: Jail house Rock.

Composite bleach can’t even get past jail house rock with a combo of highway to hell

Yukio can create or take controll of any dimension ,and in it , he have full controll over space , time , etc....

Kusaka and Yukio .

Yukio can create or take controll of dimensions , and he have full controll in them .

Kusaka with the Oin have full controll over dimension , and : " Given that the seal can manipulate time, if the user is hurt, they can transfer their body back to the way it was any time before "

How GER neg Azashiro's hax , if Comp merge with him , or some matter ?

Also , i dont see why the Comp cant just merge with the space , so the other comp cant even earse him .

Can you explain me how two stand stand a chance against comp bleach ?

@mrviking: jail house rock restricts the person to only being able to have 3 things to know, this includes things as little as knowing what you’re wearing if you’re wearing clothes, your name, what you want to do etc but basically you can only know 3 things. Highway to hell bring back memories... so basically it’s a constant loop

Who? And yukio creates a special space for that, he doesn’t just have control over space and time of any random place or universe.

that transfer gets negated by GER.

because it’s an action that gets negated.

gets negated, space gets erased along with azashiro by the hand or vanilla ice.

GER is the leg of this debate due to it being NFL by nature I see

@baph: said:

@sagathelegend:

Outliers are still outliers. Composite allows all versions od the characters's not all feats. Just the ones that are valid. And Jotaro FTL is contradicted the entire series, so don't start bringing that here. If you want to go that route, I will use the feat of a fodder shinigami dodging a light beam casually in the Soul Society arc.

You can use all you want, the fact is that Jotaro is stated to be FTL by the writer, you can cry all you want, it is cannon, and it's actually stated. Either you're in denial or i don't know, lol.

• No you are not allowed to use what you want, see the Battle Forum Rules Section for PIS, Writer Induced Stupidity and others. The only one who is saying that you can use whatever you want is you. Outliers are outliers. Statements that are contradicted by feats will not be allowed here. You are free to use feats and statements but I am also free to use anti feats to shut down your statements. If you want SP to be FTL then explain why he could not dodge things ike this
• http://imgur.com/a/r8VOQeo, an explosion, who has no FTL statements or feats and is at best MHS. Jotaro even, wielding the mighty SP, had trouble with it.
• Or why he gets tagged by a goddam rat in Part 4. Actually you could say that the entire Part 4 is an Jotaro anti feat, like him getting tagged by the likes of Crazy Diamond, who Josuke was still betting it was over 300 kph. It was just a guess, but of course, the difference from just over 300 kph to FTL is too big for Josuke to have used 300 kph as a basis. So one more anti-feat for Jotaro and SP. Not only that, but he finds CD impressive

• Or why he was not able to destroy this RoadRoller: http://imgur.com/gallery/0vKXzz3 If he was really FTL he would have destroyed this in less than a second, regardless of DIO attacking it or not. And DIO is also MHS and any attempt to say he is FTL too without proof is wank.
• Feats and Facts > Statements and WoG that contradict what is shown. This is how debating works.
• The Two FTL feats that I know of are outliers that debunk themselves (Polnareff says he clearly he does not know how moving at lightspeed works, which he would not say if SC was FTL. He was also blitzed later in the fight and is only able to cut the stand in very specific conditions. The other one are just generic energy blasts and were not mentioned to be light or lasers, only similar. Polnareff never reacted the same way he did to SC so there is no proof those are light beams)

  

• The only one who is in denial here is you. You have not showed anything that backs up those staments and are only relying on rules you made up: "all feats and statements from any kind are allowed but screw consistency and anti feats".
• Just as a bonus, if we accept the FTL's statement and ignore all of its countless anti feats, we have to accept "Yhwach's Omnipotence and Omniscience" too lol.

Via scalling Bankai Ichigo (At least 5 times stronger >> Soul King Yhwach >> Base Yhwach>> Shikai Ichigo >> Mimihagi >> Dangai Ichigo (At least four times stronger tham Hollow Mask Ichigo)>> Aizen >> Hollow Mask Ichigo (Hueco Mundo Arc)>> Bankai Ichigo (Hueco Mundo, was able to fight Ulquiorra much better after receiving a power up) Hollow Mask Ichigo (At least twice aa powerful as Bankai, given he used it to dodge Gin's ability which doubles the speed of his sword)>> Bankai SS Ichigo (At least 5 times faster than his normal form due to bankai) >> Shikai Ichigo> Hisagi (Who easily dodged a point black light beam). I could go on, but it easily makes the Bleach character far faster than SP's FTL which is only a bit faster scalling from SC, outlier or otherwise, but outliers are not allowed, composite or otherwise. Jotaro is still tagged by really slow attacks throught the series that completely invalidate the FTL SP notion.

See? that's the difference, you have to go back to the entire series to scale 100 characters from 1, while SP is actually stated to being FTL, sorry but that's literally what it says, SP has the means to react to the Composite Bleach character, and he will.

• Not that I needed to, but unlike you, I backed my scalling with actual feats, while you never showed any feat for FTL Star Platinum and are only relying on faulty author statements on a random stand page. I also only did that because you are based on a single, unreliable statement that is contradicted multiple times, like I showed before.
• You also not debunked my scalling in any possible way, I already showed that the Composite is thousands to millions times faster than light, while SP is an unspecified amount that relies on assumption and outliers who only get him a little bit over the speed of light.
• There are also other cases of Bleach characters dodging light attacks, like on that scan before and Mimihagi travelled a distance that would put it on FTL too. Much better than the things you have presented so far: nothing.

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Yes, but Notorius B.I.G can only be activated after death, composite does not let you break the rules of the stand. Carne can use it but cannot activate it without dying.

He has a spiritual body thou, and that would still be broken by Soul Crush. He also can just be BFR forever with Caja Negación.

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A bit FTL going from feats and that is an outlier. The Composite JoJo will never match his speed, because he is so far beyond it is not even funny.

I like how you're trying to twist and bend rules smh, it doesn't matter if it activates with a dead user or not, it's a stand that belongs to Carne, meaning this Composite Jojo character is COMPOSITE meaning it has all the dead, and alive characters merged into 1, which means he has B.IG

• You are the one who is twisting the rules. It has all stands of all characters, yes, but it does not change the rules of how the stands works. Notorius B.I.G specifically activates only after the user's death. Provide reasons from why the JoJo would have the ability to activate the stand while alive or back off from this argument.
• Also lets pretend for a moment that he has it. It does not stop the Composite from BFRing it with Caja Negacion, which sends the target to an isolated dimension and you have showed nothing that suggest he would resist that.

Prove that he has a spiritual body, if you're talking about the user the B.IG. is not exactly dependant on his user other than the energy he gets at the start, and since this is a Composite Jojo character, he already has the energy of Carne.

• He will never get to use it, since the stands only activates after death, it won't be used here.

Where was it stated that it's "a bit FTL" you're literally pulling statements out of your ass that aren't there.

• Did you not read my argument? I said a bit FTL going from feats, which are outliers.

The Composite Jojo has a character with FTL, the fact that you're going full denial to try and dodge is funny, it was stated by the writer already, if you don't like it then i suggest you try something else other than "nah man i dont believe it he's not fast"

• Feats >>>>>>>> Author Statements and WoG if they contradict what is shown.
• Already did, posted anti feats for Jotaro and SP, while you have posted nothing.

No, he dies. You are still ignoring all stands dying passively from soul crush regardless of speed.

And you're either playing blind or dumb, i already responded and countered this.

• You have responded to nothing. Provide a feat of stands resisting a level of soul and spiritual destruction that affects people who have also shown resistance to countless levels of it or they die.
• I can easily provide an anti feat for stands showing that they don't resist it just in case. Here is Kira and Killer Queen being torn to pieces by spirits. And this level of destruction is really commonplace in the BleachVerse and can be accomplished by any fodder spirirtual being. The level that the Composite has is leagues above this. Here is Aizen destroying spiritual bodies passively for reference. http://imgur.com/gallery/2lBkKNh

He will copy before that because he has Almighty and highter speed.

You can repeat it all you want, it's not going to happen and i already proved why, unlike you.

1. Posts zero evidence.
2. Ignores the argument I made showing that the composite is at least hundreds of times faster than light even going by his flawed logic.
3. Ignores SP's anti feats and lack of FTL feats.
4. Posts no evidence that the army of stands will not get obliterated by soul crush.

• Are you expecting to be taken seriously?

He will one shot all of them (Including SP). Also don't pretend the Almighty does not exist, he will know exactly which stand he will need to copy and will copy when he wants.

Again, copy and pasting the same argument, good luck copying someone whilst in stopped time, being able to see the future won't save him from being STOPPED IN TIME.

• Yes, but like I already showed, he is way faster than the Composite JoJo, can copy the time stop, all of his abilities and move in that ability regardless. The Composite can also steal or negate the JoJo's powers if he wants. I am copy and pasting the same argument because you ahve failed to debunk it so far.

GER is a weak spiritual being who gets soloed passively by Aizen's Soul Crush. He gets negative diff in any round as if he were nothing.

You debunked nothing since I proved the composite is faster, outlier or not.

Yeah i'm pretty sure you're trolling at this point, come back when you have a real argument other than "no!!! he slow i dont believe it!! even though it's something stated by the god damn writer." lol.

1. Shows no proof why GER would not get obliterated by Soul Crush.
2. Completely fails to debunk my scalling and arguments that show the speed of the Bleach characters. Actually you never even tried.
3. I have already shown feats that contradict the entirety of the FTL Star Platinum (who is completely featless in that regard)

I already countered everything you said, and you're still replying the same argument over and over again.

• I will still gladly repeat them over again, until people show proof of the contrary (You didn't)

SO NO CHI NO SADAME

JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOJOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

they stomp all rounds.

@stormshadow_x: That and FTL stands as always. GER is NLF so we should stick to feats and author statements that do not contradict them. Bohemian Rhapsody is more NLF thou, there was a guy claiming he can summon The One Above All (Marvel) because he summoned Mickey Mouse.

Bleach has no defense for Za, Warudo, Notorious B.I.G., Za Hando, Filthy Acts At A Reasonable Price, Heavy Weather, Green Day, Superfly, Resetting the entire universe with Made in Heaven, or King Crimson.

then in round 2 they gain to power of NO!

and in round 3 they gain complete narrative control on top of the other stuff

Jojo no diffs

@red_leader: What if I said Bleach is faster via consistent feats, can copy all of the opponent's abilities, negate their powers and manipulate the future via The Almighty?.

Bleach has no defense for Za, Warudo,

• Can just copy the time stop and move within it.

Notorious B.I.G

• The Composite can BFR it to an isolated dimension which I doubt cam be accessed even by D4C

Za Hando

• It will be destroyed passively before it can activate its ability due to Soul Crush.

Filthy Acts At A Reasonable Price

, Heavy Weather

• Useless since Yhwach can negate it as when he did in the battle with Ichibe, who transformed him in a being as powerless an ant with his coneptual powers. Almighty can just negate it. Otherwise, he can just soul crush it and prevent the opponent from using it.

, Green Day

• How abouting copying it or soul crush?

, Superfly

• Superfly cannot be controlled by the user thou. The composite would also know how it works due to Almighty ans copying memories so he would not enter it.

Resetting the entire universe with Made in Heaven

• Pretty sure they can Made in Heaven before they activate that, since it takes time. MIH also does not start with infinite speed, it takes time ro do that.

or King Crimson.

• King Crimson has an inferior version of precognition than the composite. Thou who can also vanish from existence and become completely intangible, erasing the memories of the opponent about it too.

then in round 2 they gain to power of NO!

• Useless if GER gets killed. Unless it has feats of resisting Soul Crushing, it will die instantly before it can activate.

and in round 3 they gain complete narrative control on top of the other stuff

• Know next to nothing about Novel Cars and the feats drom that weird non-cannon novel, but I doubt that is a thing.

You'd be surprised at HA DIO

That is his power

and they beat him through more Jotaro asspulls