Coie anti monitor vs Phoenix force

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#101 Posted by deactivated-5bb52f8f25413 (7026 posts) - - Show Bio
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#102 Posted by TheVoidofDeath (2151 posts) - - Show Bio

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#103 Posted by deactivated-5bb52f8f25413 (7026 posts) - - Show Bio
@rhysdurden said:

@apewar012467: even the OHOTMU stated that the Beyonder IS omnipotent...

And Tom Brevoort stated otherwise.

It doesn't matter. Even Stan Lee says that the Beyonder IS the One Above All.

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#104 Posted by apewar012467 (454 posts) - - Show Bio

@apewar012467 said:
@rhysdurden said:

@apewar012467: even the OHOTMU stated that the Beyonder IS omnipotent...

And Tom Brevoort stated otherwise.

It doesn't matter. Even Stan Lee says that the Beyonder IS the One Above All.

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It does matter because Tom Breevort is the senior editor of Marvel.

None of this shows Stan Lee stating such.

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#105 Edited by deactivated-5bb52f8f25413 (7026 posts) - - Show Bio

@apewar012467: Beyonder was omnipotent. Because there can't be 2 omnipotents in one verse. That's why they retconned him. If not, they wouldn't have done that. He was indeed a omnipotent being able to kill Death and then revive her and she was even afraid of his powers.

TOAA's name means the being who's above everything else. that's a thing everybody know. but if we apply the same logic, what is the meaning of Beyonder? The Beyonder means the being beyond everything else. so we can't say TOAA is stronger than Beyonder because of his name. before I present my idea, let's clarify few things:

Firstly, PR Beyonder was never defeated in combat, no one can defeat him. what happened in the last issue of Secret Wars 2 is not a defeat.

2nd: The Living Tribunal isn't stronger than PR Beyonder who say that is either a delusive or an ignorant. PR Beyonder is stronger than all Marvel multiverse and its beings combined by far.

3rd. PR Beyonder was stated clearly to be omnipotent in almost every issue of Secret Wars 1 & 2, so you can't deny it, and he was controlling the existence of all Marvel Universe by merely his imagination, no one in the modern comics is with such power except TOAA.

4th. who said that PR Molecule Man was able the stand up to him, is also wrong because Beyonder was limiting his powers, and he stated that he didn't want to hurt him, and also Molecule Man stated himself that the infinite difference in power between him and Beyonder is like the infinite difference between Captain America and Molecule Man. can you imagine that Captain America could stand up to Molecule Man? it would be shamefully ridiculous to say yes. Also, Molecule Man never was omnipotent. He was just absorbing the matter and energy from the multiverse to face off Beyonder, making MM nigh omnipotent.

5th. PR Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA was established, there was no character of TOAA before or at the time of Secret Wars 1 and 2.

6th. Beyonder was TOAA before creation or with more precise words, he was God before genesis, as the writer and ex Head of Marvel HQ Jim Shooter said.

7th. according to Stan Lee, PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality, the purpose of his original existence was to explain the existence of the other comic companies and their own universal laws and structure with their own supreme beings.

So what is the conclusion, the PR Beyonder is the God of an other reality beyond Marvel Universe, just like DC Universe, Image Universe, Shueisha Universe, Wildstorm Universe. which make him pretty likely as omnipotent as TOAA, Presence, and Man of Miracles.

so The One Above All is above all in Marvel Universe, but Beyonder is not part of Marvel Universe so the rule is not applied here, it's like saying The One Above All is above everything meaning above Presence, and above Man of Miracles, which it makes no sense, because Presence and Man of Miracles are not part of Marvel Universe, the rule is not applied.

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#106 Posted by tensor (8676 posts) - - Show Bio

Coie Anti Monitor turns phoenix into jerk chicken

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#107 Posted by apewar012467 (454 posts) - - Show Bio

@rhysdurden:

Beyonder was still not Omnipotent.

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No matter how many copy and pasted arguments you post that won't change.

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#108 Posted by deactivated-5bb52f8f25413 (7026 posts) - - Show Bio

@apewar012467: Do you even know what I'm trying to say here? You don't know the reason why Beyonder was retconned. He was retconned because he was basically too powerful and because TOAA is supposed to be "the one above all".

Face it, the Beyonder was omnipotent.

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#109 Posted by apewar012467 (454 posts) - - Show Bio

@rhysdurden:

You don't know the reason why Beyonder was retconned.

Nor do you, you don't work at Marvel,

He was retconned because he was basically too powerful

Marvel staff member stating that's why or it didn't happen.

Face it, the Beyonder was omnipotent.

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Marvel Staff member states Beyonder wasn't Omnipotent but your still claiming he is?

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#110 Posted by deactivated-5bb52f8f25413 (7026 posts) - - Show Bio

@apewar012467: wow. Stan Lee say that Beyonder was in fact omnipotent.

Don't look up sources like Wikipedia and Wikia, those sites lists the Presence as "nigh omnipotent". Even the OFOTMU states that the Beyonder is omnipotent.

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#111 Posted by apewar012467 (454 posts) - - Show Bio

@rhysdurden:

Stan Lee say that Beyonder was in fact omnipotent.

Scans?

Even the OFOTMU states that the Beyonder is omnipotent.

Handbook isn't always right.

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#112 Edited by deactivated-5bb52f8f25413 (7026 posts) - - Show Bio

@apewar012467: so, handbooks are not always right? You gotta be joking. If handbooks are wrong, that means Marvel/DC are fakers and frauds. There's no way handbooks are wrong.

And if you don't know Stan Lee said that, you should learn more about the Beyonder seriously.

Read the 1985 Secret Wars and Secret Wars 2.

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#113 Posted by apewar012467 (454 posts) - - Show Bio

@rhysdurden:

. There's no way handbooks are wrong.

They have been wrong, stating things like LT is 2nd only to TOAA.

And if you don't know Stan Lee said that, you should learn more about the Beyonder seriously.

Burden of proof is on you to show that he said that.

Read the 1985 Secret Wars and Secret Wars 2.

Already did, did you?

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#114 Posted by deactivated-5bb52f8f25413 (7026 posts) - - Show Bio

@apewar012467: It even says in Secret Wars 2 by Stan Lee that the Beyonder in fact is "godlike omnipotent":

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#115 Posted by apewar012467 (454 posts) - - Show Bio

@apewar012467: It even says in Secret Wars 2 by Stan Lee that the Beyonder in fact is "godlike omnipotent":

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Narration statement, is Galactus Omnipotent now?

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#116 Edited by deactivated-5bb52f8f25413 (7026 posts) - - Show Bio

@apewar012467: Galactus is not omnipotent. Everyone knows that Galactus is not omnipotent so what the hell are you trying to pull here, hah?

What I'm trying to say here is that Stan Lee did said that the Beyonder IS omnipotent.

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#117 Posted by apewar012467 (454 posts) - - Show Bio

@apewar012467: Galactus is not omnipotent. Everyone knows that Galactus is not omnipotent so what the hell are you trying to pull here, hah?

Your using a narration statement to prove Beyonder is Omnipotent, using that logic Galactus is Omnipotent.

See how it's bad logic?

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#118 Posted by deactivated-5bb52f8f25413 (7026 posts) - - Show Bio
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#121 Posted by apewar012467 (454 posts) - - Show Bio
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#122 Posted by deactivated-5bb52f8f25413 (7026 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanforever: apewar is the one who started the whole thing. He doesn't believe the Beyonder was omnipotent and that the Phoenix could go toe-to-toe with the Beyonder.

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#123 Posted by apewar012467 (454 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanforever:

Not sure at this point lol. I think the user was arguing Phoenix overwhelmed Beyonder therefore Phoenix >Omnipotent.

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#124 Posted by apewar012467 (454 posts) - - Show Bio

@rhysdurden:

You started this by mentioning Beyonder in the first place.

Phoenix can't match an Omnipotent unless she herself is Omnipotent. If she overwhelms the Omnipotent then that means the character she overwhelmed wasn't truly Omnipotent. It's that simple.

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#125 Posted by deactivated-5bb52f8f25413 (7026 posts) - - Show Bio

@apewar012467: the point is, I believe Phoenix would crush COIE AM because she's probably omnipotent at full power.

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#126 Posted by apewar012467 (454 posts) - - Show Bio

@apewar012467: the point is, I believe Phoenix would crush COIE AM because she's probably omnipotent at full power.

If you think she would crush COIE AM that's fine, but she isn't Omnipotent.

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#127 Posted by Supermanforever (9746 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanforever:

Not sure at this point lol. I think the user was arguing Phoenix overwhelmed Beyonder therefore Phoenix >Omnipotent.

neither of them is omnipotent lol.

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#128 Posted by deactivated-5bb52f8f25413 (7026 posts) - - Show Bio

@apewar012467: it was never explicitly stated nor shown, I just believe she would win. That's it.

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#129 Posted by Supermanforever (9746 posts) - - Show Bio

@rhysdurden said:

@apewar012467: the point is, I believe Phoenix would crush COIE AM because she's probably omnipotent at full power.

If you think she would crush COIE AM that's fine, but she isn't Omnipotent.

To be fair, full powered antimonitor was about to absorb infinite universes to antimatter universe while fighting pretty much everybody in dc multiverse. Dont see phoneix causing any problems for am.

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#130 Posted by LORDSHEPHERD123 (350 posts) - - Show Bio

Which of the Phoenix?

Lol

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#131 Posted by deactivated-5bb52f8f25413 (7026 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanforever: WPOTC held the entire universe in the palm of her hands and heals it out of compassion. That's an impressive feat though.

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#132 Posted by apewar012467 (454 posts) - - Show Bio

@apewar012467 said:
@rhysdurden said:

@apewar012467: the point is, I believe Phoenix would crush COIE AM because she's probably omnipotent at full power.

If you think she would crush COIE AM that's fine, but she isn't Omnipotent.

To be fair, full powered antimonitor was about to absorb infinite universes to antimatter universe while fighting pretty much everybody in dc multiverse. Dont see phoneix causing any problems for am.

Well to be fair, COIE AM was less fully powered and more fully amped by not just the Universes (massive prep) but the heroes as wel..

Unamped AM was given trouble by Supergirl and his random minions. But Composite COIE AM should win.

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#133 Posted by deactivated-5bb52f8f25413 (7026 posts) - - Show Bio

@apewar012467: you're the one who's denying the fact that the Beyonder IS omnipotent, okay?

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#134 Posted by Supermanforever (9746 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanforever said:
@apewar012467 said:
@rhysdurden said:

@apewar012467: the point is, I believe Phoenix would crush COIE AM because she's probably omnipotent at full power.

If you think she would crush COIE AM that's fine, but she isn't Omnipotent.

To be fair, full powered antimonitor was about to absorb infinite universes to antimatter universe while fighting pretty much everybody in dc multiverse. Dont see phoneix causing any problems for am.

Well to be fair, COIE AM was less fully powered and more fully amped by not just the Universes (massive prep) but the heroes as wel..

Unamped AM was given trouble by Supergirl and his random minions. But Composite COIE AM should win.

Yep, but unamped antimonitor was fighting pre crisis supergirl and at that point AM was shrinke and not powerfull. I mean when he was powered up and was threatening the existence of the multiverse.

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#135 Posted by deactivated-5bb52f8f25413 (7026 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm done, I don't want to argue with apewar anymore.

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#136 Posted by apewar012467 (454 posts) - - Show Bio

@apewar012467 said:
@supermanforever said:
@apewar012467 said:
@rhysdurden said:

@apewar012467: the point is, I believe Phoenix would crush COIE AM because she's probably omnipotent at full power.

If you think she would crush COIE AM that's fine, but she isn't Omnipotent.

To be fair, full powered antimonitor was about to absorb infinite universes to antimatter universe while fighting pretty much everybody in dc multiverse. Dont see phoneix causing any problems for am.

Well to be fair, COIE AM was less fully powered and more fully amped by not just the Universes (massive prep) but the heroes as wel..

Unamped AM was given trouble by Supergirl and his random minions. But Composite COIE AM should win.

Yep, but unamped antimonitor was fighting pre crisis supergirl and at that point AM was shrinke and not powerfull. I mean when he was powered up and was threatening the existence of the multiverse.

Indeed, althoguh He wasn't really shrinked, just not fully amped, so he was much smaller than he was when he was fully amped.

When fully amped/Composite COIE AM stomps Phoenix.

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#137 Posted by apewar012467 (454 posts) - - Show Bio

@apewar012467: you're the one who's denying the fact that the Beyonder IS omnipotent, okay?

It's not a fact though. Just your opinion.

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#138 Posted by deactivated-5bb52f8f25413 (7026 posts) - - Show Bio
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#139 Posted by apewar012467 (454 posts) - - Show Bio

@apewar012467: it's a fact. Btw, I am tired of arguing with you.

Not a fact, Tom Brevoort says so. How do you deny this scan?

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And I accept your concession. If your tired of arguing then you won't respond to this right?

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#141 Posted by silverplatinum (444 posts) - - Show Bio

Phoenix

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#142 Posted by TOAA616 (8 posts) - - Show Bio

@apewar012467: Dude you know this is wrong right??? even marvel official handbook confirms pr beyonders omnipotence...I don't care what some writer states he doesn't speak for all of marvel...PR BEYONDER IS OMNIPOTENT... that's a fact that'll never change no matter how fanboys try to debunk it

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#143 Posted by hk78833 (30 posts) - - Show Bio

phoenix is universal and am is moutiversal !! spite

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#144 Posted by Supermanthor (22700 posts) - - Show Bio

am

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#145 Posted by Consciouskeeper (2596 posts) - - Show Bio

Anti monitor. both scale higher than what is stated but monitor low difs

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#146 Posted by ThisIsAUsername (187 posts) - - Show Bio

AM

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#147 Posted by TakenStew22 (4517 posts) - - Show Bio

AM godstomps.

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#148 Posted by deactivated-5d59ee082aecf (1384 posts) - - Show Bio

Am wins

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