I'm guessing your a big 40k fan? Anyway, i'm a bigger FF fan than I am 40k.. This is how I see it, Cloud has beaten Sephiroth w/ ultima weapon & omni-slash, sephiorth could destroy the entire 40k universe if he were in it... So Cloud could definitely beat the SM.
So this is Cloud versus....Space Marines? A chapter? Every marine ever? The entire Imperium? Including heroes and Primarchs? And by the way, Sephiroth could NEVER solo the entire 40k universe. ComicVine should just stay away from Warhammer 40,000.
Also, Zack who was not as powerful as Cloud took on a Shinra battalion and nearly won. And since magic is mentioned in the OP, I'm assuming we're not dismissing all game mechanics.
@texasdeathmatch: I'm sorry, but Sephiroth can beat just about anyone. All he would need to do is cast death on every single SM prime arc and meteor/nova everything else. His speed is unmatched by anything in the 40k universe and could basically just use meteor on the emperor too.
@texasdeathmatch: I'm sorry, but Sephiroth can beat just about anyone. All he would need to do is cast death on every single SM prime arc and meteor/nova everything else. His speed is unmatched by anything in the 40k universe and could basically just use meteor on the emperor too.
Yeah, this isn't worth it. You clearly have no idea how powerful the 40k universe can be, especially since its filled with Cosmic Gods and the Emperor of Mankind, who would regard meteors as nothing more than a dingleberry. Don't bother replying, because you should do your research before you make broad assumptions about an entire fictional world.
For instance, this guy alone would destroy Sephiroth:
The nightbringer is a god. It is "death incarnate, a sadistic god wielding the power to unmake the stars. It delights in inflicting great pain and suffering not necessarily to feed, but simply because it can. Its gaze is death and its mighty scythe has feasted on the deaths of entire civilisations. With a starship imbued with a measure of its power, the Nightbringer has destroyed entire star systems on a whim and gorged itself on the death agonies of countless billions of lives.
I'm guessing your a big 40k fan? Anyway, i'm a bigger FF fan than I am 40k.. This is how I see it, Cloud has beaten Sephiroth w/ ultima weapon & omni-slash, sephiorth could destroy the entire 40k universe if he were in it... So Cloud could definitely beat the SM.
Are you kidding me? Any of the Chaos Gods could blink Stepbrother out of existence.
For instance, this guy alone would destroy Sephiroth: The nightbringer is a god. It is "death incarnate, a sadistic god wielding the power to unmake the stars. It delights in inflicting great pain and suffering not necessarily to feed, but simply because it can. Its gaze is death and its mighty scythe has feasted on the deaths of entire civilisations. With a starship imbued with a measure of its power, the Nightbringer has destroyed entire star systems on a whim and gorged itself on the death agonies of countless billions of lives.
How?.... Sephiroth already died and was spit out of death so that he can accomplish his goal. You know Sephiroth after his 1st death became immortal right? This is a Deadpool character with the Infinite Gauntlet who jobbs just for entertainment.
@TheMightyAvenger: Nova is powerful enough to destroy a solar system, he'd just go galaxy to galaxy destroying them at extremely quick speeds in his final form until he is finished. Besides, have you heard FF Advent Children? The song itself is enough to make you run and cry.
@Hohenheim_of_light: I respect your opinion but I think you are giving WAY to much credit to Space Marines. Cloud can take down ANYTHING with an Omnislash + Ultima weapon excluding Chaos Gods, the Emperor, etc. Tyranid numbers would die, and so would SM's. Space Marine's die all the time, in table top and fluff. They aren't invincible like you describe them.
@HulktheUltimate: I'm actually pretty familiar with the song and the whole FF universe, but Super Nova is just gameplay mechanics it doesn't actually happen. And yes the song is awesome.
@Hohenheim_of_light: I respect your opinion but I think you are giving WAY to much credit to Space Marines. Cloud can take down ANYTHING with an Omnislash + Ultima weapon excluding Chaos Gods, the Emperor, etc. Tyranid numbers would die, and so would SM's. Space Marine's die all the time, in table top and fluff. They aren't invincible like you describe them.
Dude, Omnislash only works on one opponent, he would attack one Space marine and another shoot him from behind, let alone 3 or 4 or an entire army.
Space marines die in table top? So if I go play FF7 right now, and die on the first enemy I guess Cloud must be pretty weak too amirite?
@Hohenheim_of_light: I respect your opinion but I think you are giving WAY to much credit to Space Marines. Cloud can take down ANYTHING with an Omnislash + Ultima weapon excluding Chaos Gods, the Emperor, etc. Tyranid numbers would die, and so would SM's. Space Marine's die all the time, in table top and fluff. They aren't invincible like you describe them.
Dude, Omnislash only works on one opponent, he would attack one Space marine and another shoot him from behind, let alone 3 or 4 or an entire army. Space marines die in table top? So if I go play FF7 right now, and die on the first enemy I guess Cloud must be pretty weak too amirite?
Well, Zack once fought an army of 1000 Shinra soldiers, but apparently this army is much larger and the soldiers more powerfull. And Zack and Cloud are pretty close on terms of power so... from what I can gather the army wins this.
@TheMightyAvenger: Sephiroth gave Cloud and his party member's a vision on what could have happened. So if it could have happened there, it could happen in 40k too.
@TheMightyAvenger: Nova is powerful enough to destroy a solar system, he'd just go galaxy to galaxy destroying them at extremely quick speeds in his final form until he is finished. Besides, have you heard FF Advent Children? The song itself is enough to make you run and cry.
Your lack of knowledge of what you talk about is cosmically astounding.
@Tevnoba: Not sure why you are criticizing me. Sephiroth final form can most likely travel at the speed of light. SO destroying the universe wouldn't be difficult for him.
Feel free to mute the video if you don't like that type of music, but at least watch it. Cloud would be bouncing off space marines killing them before they can even aim their bolter's. Don't underestimate final fantasy characters, especially cloud. His sheer strength is much better then a space marine first of all. The only one I think he would have a problem with is Lee man Russ... Man that guy caught a kraken and said it was to small, so he threw it back.
@Hohenheim_of_light: I respect your opinion but I think you are giving WAY to much credit to Space Marines. Cloud can take down ANYTHING with an Omnislash + Ultima weapon excluding Chaos Gods, the Emperor, etc. Tyranid numbers would die, and so would SM's. Space Marine's die all the time, in table top and fluff. They aren't invincible like you describe them.
Dude, Omnislash only works on one opponent, he would attack one Space marine and another shoot him from behind, let alone 3 or 4 or an entire army. Space marines die in table top? So if I go play FF7 right now, and die on the first enemy I guess Cloud must be pretty weak too amirite?
So that's why you don't like FF7. 0_0
I wouldn't say I don't like it, it was generally a good game but way overrated. FF8 9 and FF3 on the SNES were better games than 7 was.
Well, Zack once fought an army of 1000 Shinra soldiers, but apparently this army is much larger and the soldiers more powerfull. And Zack and Cloud are pretty close on terms of power so... from what I can gather the army wins this.
No way. Cloud is way beyond Zack. The only other person in FF7 that is potentially stronger than Cloud is Vincent. The reason why is because Zack was exposed to higher than standard Mako than any other SOLIDER. This is why he is one of the leaders. Vincent was exposed and infused with Mako for 30 years? Sephiroth was born out of the J.E.N.O.V.A project using DNA sample of her. He was injected with small doses of Mako every year until he became an adult. Cloud was infused with J.E.N.O.V.A cells and infused with ultra high levels of Mako after Hojo captured him and experimented on Cloud out of despite that Sephiroth was a failure. Technically, Cloud has a higher potential than Sephiroth because he has a whole world of Mako backing him up. This is why Sephiroth wants to destroy the Ancients (Aerith and her connection with Mako, the spirit of the Earth) However, Sephiroth has learned to adapt his spirit to any medium. This technically means that he is virtually immortal so long that there is a medium to carry on his soul.
Well cloud is a stupid fucking emo guy with a sword that is retartedly large, Space Marines are some of the most awesome warriors in any universe, they are perfect warriors honed with super human bodies, super powered weapons, and hundreds of years of experience in war.
For instance, this guy alone would destroy Sephiroth: The nightbringer is a god. It is "death incarnate, a sadistic god wielding the power to unmake the stars. It delights in inflicting great pain and suffering not necessarily to feed, but simply because it can. Its gaze is death and its mighty scythe has feasted on the deaths of entire civilisations. With a starship imbued with a measure of its power, the Nightbringer has destroyed entire star systems on a whim and gorged itself on the death agonies of countless billions of lives.
And he isn't necessarily even the most powerful of the C'tan either.
@Hohenheim_of_light: I respect your opinion but I think you are giving WAY to much credit to Space Marines. Cloud can take down ANYTHING with an Omnislash + Ultima weapon excluding Chaos Gods, the Emperor, etc. Tyranid numbers would die, and so would SM's. Space Marine's die all the time, in table top and fluff. They aren't invincible like you describe them.
Dude, Omnislash only works on one opponent, he would attack one Space marine and another shoot him from behind, let alone 3 or 4 or an entire army. Space marines die in table top? So if I go play FF7 right now, and die on the first enemy I guess Cloud must be pretty weak too amirite?
So that's why you don't like FF7. 0_0
I wouldn't say I don't like it, it was generally a good game but way overrated. FF8 9 and FF3 on the SNES were better games than 7 was.
I actually agree on this for once that the series you mentioned are better games. But only out of playability and fun moving plots. FF7 actually had better "plot twists".
@big_jon: Space Marine armor is literally butter to cloud. They wouldn't be able to land a single shot or hit on him... It would be the equivalent of A space marine cutting down hundreds of Ork's with a heavy bolter, except cloud would be using just his normal buster sword. Oh and I see no point in calling Cloud a lame character, where as Space Marine's are by the book. Oh and by the way... "A sword that is (retartedly) large." Really? Space Marine's are more then two tons and are about 8 FT tall. Don't go and call something (retartedly) large when the thing your supporting doubles the opponent in nearly ever characteristic.
Well cloud is a stupid fucking emo guy with a sword that is retartedly large, Space Marines are some of the most awesome warriors in any universe, they are perfect warriors honed with super human bodies, super powered weapons, and hundreds of years of experience in war.
Hmmm, I wonder.
While I don't agree with choice of words, I do agree that Cloud is not a very appealing character and that the Spare Marines are kick ass.
@tron_bonne: No offense but you make Zack sound much weaker than he is, he also battled Sephiroth and held his own, and he beat both Angeal and Genesis even when both were empowered and Genesis had absorbed ebergy from the Lifestream. Also Cloud himself is not really close to Sephiroth either, the developers stated that he loses mainly because he jobbs or something like that.
@HulktheUltimate: It's still game mechanics, and suppose it could happe and even IF he could travel at lightspeed, it doesn't mean he is an universe buster, assume he can destroy one solar system, a Galaxy has billions of them, and the universe has billions upon billions of galaxies, see the difference now.
Well against all the Bloody chapters ? I love Cloud but man I just don't see him clear that one;although My game's Cloud would do heavy damages(Quadruple Magic+Knight of the Round table;Master)and would be damn hard to put down for good(Final Attack + Phoenix)
@tron_bonne: No offense but you make Zack sound much weaker than he is, he also battled Sephiroth and held his own, and he beat both Angeal and Genesis even when both were empowered and Genesis had absorbed ebergy from the Lifestream. Also Cloud himself is not really close to Sephiroth either, the developers stated that he loses mainly because he jobbs or something like that.
@HulktheUltimate: It's still game mechanics, and suppose it could happe and even IF he could travel at lightspeed, it doesn't mean he is an universe buster, assume he can destroy one solar system, a Galaxy has billions of them, and the universe has billions upon billions of galaxies, see the difference now.
Zack is weaker. He battled Sephiroth and lost very easily. I will show you the ORIGINAL battle (FF7: 1996). It was a 1 hit knock out.
Start video @ 3:17 stop it at 4:40 (unless you want to watch the whole video)
I'm still trying to find the actual fight between Zack and Sephiroth, but notice Zack laying on the left on top of an incubator. Sephiroth did that to him
Notice Sephiroth leaping down the stairs. Cloud did that to Sephiroth after Sephiorth 1 hit KO Zack and ripped JENOVA out of it's tomb.
Notice how Cloud was stabbed by Sephiroth. Cloud quickly recovers to throws Sephorth into the Mako reactor.
Notice this is Cloud WITHOUT Materia......
P.S: Still Looking for the actual fight between Sephiroth and Zack. *FF7 1997
@tron_bonne: No offense but you make Zack sound much weaker than he is, he also battled Sephiroth and held his own, and he beat both Angeal and Genesis even when both were empowered and Genesis had absorbed ebergy from the Lifestream. Also Cloud himself is not really close to Sephiroth either, the developers stated that he loses mainly because he jobbs or something like that.
@HulktheUltimate: It's still game mechanics, and suppose it could happe and even IF he could travel at lightspeed, it doesn't mean he is an universe buster, assume he can destroy one solar system, a Galaxy has billions of them, and the universe has billions upon billions of galaxies, see the difference now.
Zack is weaker. He battled Sephiroth and lost very easily. I will show you the ORIGINAL battle (FF7: 1996). It was a 1 hit knock out.
Found it!
Start 0:00 to 1:43
This is when you find out that Cloud was the Shinra Guard the whole time. Shinra can't carry materia. Only SOLIDER. Shinra guards carry machine guns.
This is the following:
Start video @ 3:17 stop it at 4:40 (unless you want to watch the whole video)
I'm still trying to find the actual fight between Zack and Sephiroth, but notice Zack laying on the left on top of an incubator. Sephiroth did that to him
Notice Sephiroth leaping down the stairs. Cloud did that to Sephiroth after Sephiorth 1 hit KO Zack and ripped JENOVA out of it's tomb.
Notice how Cloud was stabbed by Sephiroth. Cloud quickly recovers to throws Sephorth into the Mako reactor.
Notice this is Cloud WITHOUT Materia......
It is consistent with this: Created 10 years after FF7 (((Except: Zack only lasted 5 seconds in the game and Cloud threw Sephiroth in the reactor instead of Sephiroth willing jumping in it.)))
So my argument still stands. tron_bonne said:
No way. Cloud is way beyond Zack. The only other person in FF7 that is potentially stronger than Cloud is Vincent. The reason why is because Zack was exposed to higher than standard Mako than any other SOLIDER. This is why he is one of the leaders. Vincent was exposed and infused with Mako for 30 years? Sephiroth was born out of the J.E.N.O.V.A project using DNA sample of her. He was injected with small doses of Mako every year until he became an adult. Cloud was infused with J.E.N.O.V.A cells and infused with ultra high levels of Mako after Hojo captured him and experimented on Cloud out of despite that Sephiroth was a failure. Technically, Cloud has a higher potential than Sephiroth because he has a whole world of Mako backing him up. This is why Sephiroth wants to destroy the Ancients (Aerith and her connection with Mako, the spirit of the Earth) However, Sephiroth has learned to adapt his spirit to any medium. This technically means that he is virtually immortal so long that there is a medium to carry on his soul.
I want to say that while I disagree with most of the views expressed on the pro-Sephiroth side, I did want to point out that it'd take quite awhile for Cloud to lose to the first two enemies of the game - MPs.
Cloud is very good i think he could take on one of the smaller Space Marine orders all by himself if it´s just the ground troops. With magic he has enough power to destroy a landraider or any other tank of SP orders. Physically he would outclass any Marine and could take on quite a lot of them. But all Space Marine orders at the same time? Are you kidding me? Even if we didn´t take any Imperial into consideration besides what organized in the Space Marine orders that´s enough firepower to destroy solar systems. All together that´s tons of space ships,vehicles and marines. Cloud dies in the matter of seconds.
Cloud will get worn down by the superior numbers of the Warhammer Marines and their firepower. There are just too many. And no, fanservice aside, Cloud nor Sephiroth, have never shown the ability to taken down that many trained enemies based in multiple galaxies and across an Imperium spanning planets. They'd run out of hair gel, HP and MP trying to take on on one or two companies first. And honestly, most of the Space Marines are bred to be superior warriors, so they are at least a match for Sephiroth in physical stats and superior to both in height and machismo factors. Just to give you an idea, the Sisters of Battle stand at least a billion strong and are based on a billion shrine worlds. And they are just an Order, not a complete Legion. The numbers and scale of the Warhammer 40k universe is far beyond Final Fantasy.
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