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#1 Posted by Supermanthor (10447 posts) - - Show Bio

fight takes place in asgrad

morals off

who wins ?

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#2 Posted by Supermanthor (10447 posts) - - Show Bio

anyone

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#3 Posted by JohnnyZ256 (6357 posts) - - Show Bio

You may have set a record for quickest bump: seven seconds!

On topic, I think Strange wins, though it’s close.

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#4 Posted by Supermanthor (10447 posts) - - Show Bio

You may have set a record for quickest bump: seven seconds!

On topic, I think Strange wins, though it’s close.

lol thanks bro

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#5 Posted by Supermanthor (10447 posts) - - Show Bio

bump

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#6 Posted by RampageTheFirst (6658 posts) - - Show Bio

Strange, he has gone up against people who would stomp Odin.

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#7 Posted by deactivated-5beeed406e9c9 (1473 posts) - - Show Bio

Strange

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#8 Posted by deactivated-5be85ba9d64f1 (712 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't classic strange taking classic Odin.....he beats current Odin. Lol.

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#9 Posted by Supermanthor (10447 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't classic strange taking classic Odin.....he beats current Odin. Lol.

you mean the one who almost lost again jane thor

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#10 Posted by deactivated-5be85ba9d64f1 (712 posts) - - Show Bio
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#12 Posted by CaptainCoolade (688 posts) - - Show Bio

if its current odin he loses, guy had to use guns in a fight iirc

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#14 Posted by Supermanthor (10447 posts) - - Show Bio

bumpy

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#16 Posted by skywalker95 (3596 posts) - - Show Bio

Very Close but Stephen wins in the end

Long brutal Battle though

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#17 Posted by EmpressOfDread (11966 posts) - - Show Bio

So Strange is Skyfather+ overall? Even more powerful than Odin. Why? If you have legit reasons with scans and feats tag me.

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#18 Posted by Supermanthor (10447 posts) - - Show Bio

So Strange is Skyfather+ overall? Even more powerful than Odin. Why? If you have legit reasons with scans and feats tag me.

not a strange expert with this battle its a beginning for me to perfecting my knowledge on strange

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#19 Posted by Andromeda101 (2276 posts) - - Show Bio

@empressofdread said:

So Strange is Skyfather+ overall? Even more powerful than Odin. Why? If you have legit reasons with scans and feats tag me.

Nope. Aside from high-end showings only, no way in hell that's true.

He does have some universal to multi-universal showings like his fight against In-Betweener/Electra affecting entire universes and Strange sustaining the whole universe/dimension through sheer-power alone(As well some other things such as draining a multiversal amped Mordo), but like I said, high-end showings.

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#20 Posted by EmpressOfDread (11966 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanthor:Even I'm not a Strange expert, but I have seen way better feats from Odin, and I did watch Dr.Strange feats in a death battle by screwattack, there were not close to some of the things Odin has done not by a long shot. Thats why I asked if there is someone who knows why Dr.Strange beats Odin, I'd love to know.

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#21 Posted by EmpressOfDread (11966 posts) - - Show Bio

@andromeda101: Are these outliers? Yeah, I knew something wrong with Dr.Strange being Skyfather+. I think these statements of effecting the multiverse and powering through universal level dimension are there for a lot of high end teambusters and outliers for heralds, but what are his standalone quantifiable feats in that regard?

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#22 Posted by Supermanthor (10447 posts) - - Show Bio
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#23 Posted by Mister_Surreal (6271 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin still stomps.

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#25 Edited by Andromeda101 (2276 posts) - - Show Bio

@empressofdread said:

Are these outliers? Yeah, I knew something wrong with Dr.Strange being Skyfather+. I think these statements of effecting the multiverse and powering through universal level dimension are there for a lot of high end teambusters and outliers for heralds, but what are his standalone quantifiable feats in that regard?

They don't happen very often if that's what you wanna know(They're usually in his solo books, for some reason, Strange's showings get less and less impressive when are in team-comics), so I think we can say those showings are indeed outliers. I disagree they aren't quantifiable though, especially because two of the feats I mentioned have been backed-up decades later by official sources like The Mysterious World of Doctor Strange.

Still, if you wanna a more consistent level, Strange should be in the solar/star-system range given his usual feats against beings such as the Creators and Stygyro(Who basically became a living, flaming star to fight against Stephen and lost regardless).

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#26 Posted by DiarrheaRegatta (3526 posts) - - Show Bio

I guess Odin? Classic strange is a rather confusing character in terms of feats.

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#27 Posted by Supermanthor (10447 posts) - - Show Bio
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#28 Posted by EmpressOfDread (11966 posts) - - Show Bio

@empressofdread said:

Are these outliers? Yeah, I knew something wrong with Dr.Strange being Skyfather+. I think these statements of effecting the multiverse and powering through universal level dimension are there for a lot of high end teambusters and outliers for heralds, but what are his standalone quantifiable feats in that regard?

They don't happen very often if that's what you wanna know(They're usually in his solo books, for some reason, Strange's showings get less and less impressive when are in team-comics), so I think we can say those showings are indeed outliers. I disagree they aren't quantifiable though, especially because two of the feats I mentioned have been backed-up decades later by official sources like The Mysterious World of Doctor Strange.

Still, if you wanna a more consistent level, Strange should be in the solar/star-system range given his usual feats against beings such as the Creators and Stygyro(Who basically became a living, flaming star to fight against Stephen and lost regardless).

I have no doubt Strange is above solar system levels with ease. He should be higher. But I am asking if his standalone feats for universal and plus level are quantifiable if yes, then thats what I was asking and how?

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#29 Posted by Lord_Titan_ (2312 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin isn't purely a magical opponent, im questioning whether or not strange can deal with his powerset

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#30 Posted by Soratoumiga (1174 posts) - - Show Bio

Strange.

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#31 Posted by Supermanthor (10447 posts) - - Show Bio
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#32 Edited by cosmic_reign (3192 posts) - - Show Bio

I would think Strange wins this as Sorcerer Supreme. Not as Master of the Mystic Arts though.

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#33 Posted by Andromeda101 (2276 posts) - - Show Bio

@empressofdread said:

I have no doubt Strange is above solar system levels with ease. He should be higher. But I am asking if his standalone feats for universal and plus level are quantifiable if yes, then thats what I was asking and how?

I would say so. Like, his feats only wouldn't be quantifiable in my opinion if they were shared with a being whose power compared to him is unknown or had some amp in the middle that we can't gauge. We know how Strange compares to Electra who was shown to be his equal in the same fight where they affected multiple realities/universes and all planes of illusion, which is at least an universal showing for each, plus Strange held his own against In-Betweener in other encounters like ROM#41 as well, so basically the same case. As for his other feats like holding the dimension/universe together, it was done under his power and while it may not translate into raw power alone like the others, shows how much control Stephen has over reality.

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#34 Edited by destinyman75 (13332 posts) - - Show Bio

@empressofdread: Yeah strange is not skyfather or plus. All of his best showings are with tons of amps and context. If he had oreot he could potentially do something though

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#35 Posted by destinyman75 (13332 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol no just no. In a battle like this no prep Odin clowns strange Easily. When strange goes against higher foes he has lots of prep and tons of amps, magical devices or what have you. With all that he could do something random battle though he dies

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#36 Edited by jrupert1 (1387 posts) - - Show Bio

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Lol no just no. In a battle like this no prep Odin clowns strange Easily. When strange goes against higher foes he has lots of prep and tons of amps, magical devices or what have you. With all that he could do something random battle though he dies

That's actually not true for the most part. There are cases where he has been given the opportunity for prep but usually it's his enemies that have prepped for him and he has to go into a situation with little to no knowledge and piece it together. And even in those few prepping situations it's usually only a few moments to gather something together, one of the only times he had "lots of prep" was when he was facing The Great Old Ones. In some very rare occasions he has received some temporary amp, but that's almost never. Besides, him being able to drain/absorb power (essentially amping himself) is a part of his power set, but even that is rare. He actuality has spent far more time depowered in some way, even in his own series.

But still, when taken as a whole, as in including the full range of his showings and not just the higher end ones, he would normally lose to Odin. Especially in character.

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#37 Posted by Andromeda101 (2276 posts) - - Show Bio

@jrupert1: I actually have no idea how the mindset that "Strange's best feats were under prep" came to be as well. All the ones I mentioned above were in random encounters and/or done with his own power alone, for example. They take very specific instances where Strange prepared to an enemy, call that one of his best showings for some whatever reason and say it's consistent for the character.

There's a difference between feats having context or simply being high-end, which Strange's falls more into the later than the former.

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#38 Posted by Batvibe12 (5370 posts) - - Show Bio

With prep, Strange.

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#39 Posted by destinyman75 (13332 posts) - - Show Bio

@jrupert1: Agreed. Id Odin was a foe he fought before he may have something always ready, since he's not though Odin.

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#40 Posted by Supermanthor (10447 posts) - - Show Bio
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#41 Edited by jrupert1 (1387 posts) - - Show Bio

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@jrupert1: I actually have no idea how the mindset that "Strange's best feats were under prep" came to be as well. All the ones I mentioned above were in random encounters and/or done with his own power alone, for example. They take very specific instances where Strange prepared to an enemy, call that one of his best showings for some whatever reason and say it's consistent for the character.

There's a difference between feats having context or simply being high-end, which Strange's falls more into the later than the former.

Warning: Sorry in advance for the long post that is basically not news to you, it's just good to set on record.

Yeah, the instances of prep, albeit notable feats just happened to be ones someone at some point once posted and it stuck with people. Not knowing more beyond that it became what people thought of him. As such the difference between his high and lower showings were simply attributed to that instead of the actual context. Like the many times he has lost power for whatever reason, was explained to be initially exhausted from something previous and not recovering (due to how busy he was in his comics, DS Vol 2 in particular, it's often overlooked how common that actually was), or simply in a disadvantage by something plot related. In contrast to being at full power.

Where his high end showings are explained and often influenced by his will. To an extent you could say something like this about a lot of heroes but with magical it's canonically tied in with how it works. Be it his desperation in a situation pushing more out of him spiritually, intellectually, or just making his magic have more zap (nothing brings out your best like it being required). Bloodlust in particular (as shown against such characters as Dormammu, Mordo, and D'Spayre) has a big impact as it not only makes him more willing to use spells he normally wouldn't but it creates an unbending and sharpened will dedicating to defeating an opponent. Bigger threats need bigger magics and a stronger will to do what must be done because there are bigger stakes, than say a regular villain where he wont use his bigger magics. Even then he holds back in some ways, such as largely refusing to use black magic post mastering it in ST Vol 2, among other things which would make him more powerful (a fact even Urthona has pointed out).

So when he's fighting defensively against Mordo only to snap into a fury to the point where the spells he was worried about don't even phase him when he goes from blocking them to physically charging through them. Or when his weakened emotional state created a breach, allowing Marduk Kurios to drag him to hell, only for his renewed will to then physically defeat said Hell Lord. Or when he almost succumbed in Chthon's dimension only for him to release magical energy in a backlash to defy the influence of evil which caused Chthon a bit of pain. He's done the same to Fear Lords, even against an amped (by the great fear) D'Spayre, who at that time overpowered the Dweller. Or even in his new series where, nearly without magic, drained all the magical that remained throughout the universe in order to banish a not-weakened Dormammu. Him being the most powerful/skilled practitioner of white magic itself does land him a good counter to someone like Dormammu who is overall above Odin in power, but him doing as well against him is mostly attributed to him never being better than when pushed by someone like him. It's not because he prepped in order to take on the bigger threats, it's because he operates on a higher level of his potential.

And speaking of prep, one instance he's maybe most noted for is when he battled Adam Warlock who had the Infinity Gauntlet. He had prep, yeah, but it was basically grabbing a few things before walking out the door (items he doesn't regularly carry or use). Generally his ability to use his wits and mystic knowledge in a bind, demonstrating his skill and resourcefulness is more essential to the character than what he can use his mystical knowledge to plan for, so it is the former than is used and thus defining him in his comics.

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#42 Posted by EmpressOfDread (11966 posts) - - Show Bio

@empressofdread said:

I have no doubt Strange is above solar system levels with ease. He should be higher. But I am asking if his standalone feats for universal and plus level are quantifiable if yes, then thats what I was asking and how?

I would say so. Like, his feats only wouldn't be quantifiable in my opinion if they were shared with a being whose power compared to him is unknown or had some amp in the middle that we can't gauge. We know how Strange compares to Electra who was shown to be his equal in the same fight where they affected multiple realities/universes and all planes of illusion, which is at least an universal showing for each, plus Strange held his own against In-Betweener in other encounters like ROM#41 as well, so basically the same case. As for his other feats like holding the dimension/universe together, it was done under his power and while it may not translate into raw power alone like the others, shows how much control Stephen has over reality.

Thanks.

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#43 Posted by Amendment50 (14999 posts) - - Show Bio

It is really hard to imagine Strange winning this in-universe

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#44 Posted by josephgomes619 (3789 posts) - - Show Bio

Strange easily. His high end feats are much better than Odin's best feats. How many Universal feats does Odin have?

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#45 Posted by King-Ragnar (3251 posts) - - Show Bio

*Sigh*

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#46 Posted by Andromeda101 (2276 posts) - - Show Bio
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#47 Posted by destinyman75 (13332 posts) - - Show Bio

Sigh....

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#48 Posted by DeutschKurzhaar (1170 posts) - - Show Bio

Which Odin is this?

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#49 Posted by DeutschKurzhaar (1170 posts) - - Show Bio

Either way this is so obvious who wins. 🤦🏼‍♂️

Current Odin loses

Comics Odin wins

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#50 Posted by _KingofLatveria (18365 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin