Clark Kent (Smallville) and Flash (CW) vs Savitar (CW) and Zoom (CW)

Clark Kent tosses Flash at Savitar and Zoom.

Team 2 stomps.

Clark speedblitz team 2 because technically he's faster and Flash goes for the vibrate/phase attack on Savitar. Clark is most durable. Team 1 wins.

Clark one shots them both

Clark solos, Flash is not needed here.

Clark solos while Barry comes to terms with the fact that he's not the fastest man alive.

Clark and Bart are both at least 2 times faster than both of team 2

I haven't watched Smallville, but how does Clark react/see Savitar?

@jardinain2: that whole"only speed force users can see Savitar" thing is no more. Since he's out of the speed force, anyone can see him

@blackestnight93: Oh. (I stopped watching Flash, as im allergic to shitty shows.)

@jardinain2: meh, it's not that bad imo.

@blackestnight93: Blech i hate the acting and CG so much.

To my knowledge, Clark is faster than Flash or Zoom, but he might be slower than Savitar. However, Clark is still stronger and more durable than anyone here. Team 1.

No he's not. Not even close.

An extreme low-end calc has Clark at 1.8 billion c.

And I've seen calcs that put him wayyy lower than that. What were those based on?

LOL Smallville wank at its finest.

Manhunters crossing at least 23 galaxies in half a day. Clark fought a multitude of them by himself and never got blitzed (in fact he beat them)

The calculation low-balls it by just using the distance between Milky Way and Andromeda.

He also has one where he crossed a great deal of the galaxy in a few hours, faster than Brainaic and Kara who have solar system exiting feats and all Green Lanterns can cross many galaxies in hours (there was one where a group of them did a round trip in less than a day)

Can't be wank when the feat exist. But please, go on believing that such a thing is wank.

A useless Feat at that.

Yeah, but that's clearly high-end. I bet I could easily find a feat of Barry's from the show that destroys that one. That doesn't mean Barry's orders of magnitude faster than light on average.

I agree Clark wins, but he's gonna have some trouble with Savitar.

Clark solos all three of them.

Smallville Superman solos. To say otherwise is being stubborn.

Otherwise

I have a feeling that's an outlier, but ok.

Umm... how would it be a high end when there's close to a dozen instances of interstellar and intergalactic speed feats in Smallville? I can't really take the people on this site serious. Don't really know why illogical beliefs and responses is such the norm here.

P.S. Clark won't have the slightest bit of trouble with Savitar.

Um, team 1

@wewlad80: I've seen other threads you're in. I don't care enough to debate.

Clark stomps

Clark stomps team 2. He is a definite top 3 live action speedsters.

fox quicksilver would be standing still from Clark's POV.

Alright.

clark solos .

Clark stomps.

@firestormfate1919: Clark is hitting light speed what puts them on his level

Watching Smallville right now. Just saw Clark run from Kansas to South America in 2 seconds. That's some serious OP speed feats. And he has all the other powers too. I think he should clear team 2 alone

Barry has a bunch of lightspeed feats. I bet Barry's best feat >>>>> Clark's best feat. Obviously these are high-end, but Barry's speed in general is very underrated. Savitar is exponentially faster than Barry.

I agree Clark is faster on average and at baseline, but I don't think he's gonna be smoking Savitar. I think they're decently close. I'm saying Clark does solo, but it's not gonna be a stomp due to Savitar.

Clark solos.

Clark handily

@firestormfate1919: Can you show me any feats that equals crossing the solar system in less than a minute or multiple galaxies in a day.

Flash has some FTL feats but smallville high tiers are MFTL+.

Clark takes team 2 by himself

Let's take crossing a Solar System in less than a minute for now, and go off of that, because I'm not sure about crossing the galaxy. That's around Mach 14,787,510, around 17 times the speed of light. Very impressive. I can think of some Barry feats to match it though.

• Moving hundreds of times faster than Blackout's blast of electricity. This is easily 15+ times light speed at minimum, or Mach 13,410,000, likely more. For reference, that's like 2,300 times faster than Fox Quicksilver's mansion feat. This is before his speed multiplied around 20 fold according to "in-show" speed.

• Barry temporarily stabalizing a singularity oscilating progressively from 6.7 terra-electron volts, is around Mach 50,693,800 by my calculations, or almost exactly 58 times faster than light. That's around 8,500 times faster than QS' Mansion feat, and close to 4 times faster than Clark's solar system feat.

• Barry cracks a high-tech lock by simply inputting as many combos as possible until he was correct. I cannot stress how insanely impressive this feat is. The code was 12 numbers long. This doesn’t sound like a big deal until you do the math. There are literally 1,000,000,000,000 (1 Trillion) combinations. If we go pure probability, it would take about 500 Billion tries to get the code right (could be much earlier or much later though). That's if he somehow never repeats a code. Let's assume it takes him a trillion tries given he doesn't have a photographic memory, and even this is very conservative. He does this in about 8 seconds. It would likely take a normal person around 4 seconds to enter a 12 digit code. That puts Barry around 500 Billion times faster than a normal person in basic movement/reaction speed. If an average person can run an average of 8 mph, then that puts Barry at 4,000,000,000,000 mph scaling to this feat. That's Mach 5,213,294,461, or 5,964 times faster than light. That's 894,600 times faster than QS' Mansion feat, and around 351 times faster than Clark's solar system feat.

• Barry has another similar feat in "Attack on Central City". I haven't done the math yet, but it should come out to a similar quantity, adding a degree of consistency.

• Finally, we come to Barry's most impressive feat, and the one that killed him (meaning this is literally his max speed for now). The big cahuna, Barry generating a pulse to counteract that of the Magnitar. This is a minimum estimate, using conservative values, the true value could literally be infinitely larger. The minimum force of that pulse was enough to destroy an Earth (ignoring the dynamics of destroying a multiverse), so we'll go off that for now. It's estimated to take a minimal 2.4x1032 joules of energy to destroy earth, though this is realistically singificantly higher. That converts to the same quantity in newton-metres, which can be converted directly to ton-force. There are 9806.65 newtons in one ton-force, leaving 2.45x1028 ton-force. To calculate speed we use the Force equation. Barry's mass is about 74 kilograms. We divide the force by the mass to get acceleration in meters per second. This comes out to 3.26x1030 meters per second. There are 343 mps is 1 Mach.
  • • Barry needed to run a grand total of at least Mach 9.5x1028 to counteract the Pulse. This is about 1.087x1023 times faster than light. This is about 1.64x1025 times faster than Quicksilver's mansion feat, and around 6.4x1022 times faster than Clarks's solar system feat.
      • • For reference, that's faster than any comic Flash feat besides Wally insantly crossing the universe, and all of these numbers are so large comic vine literally won't allow me to type them out.

I guarantee Barry's high-end feats are better, and nothing Clark has done remotely matches that last one. There are many more than this that don't match the Solar System feat, but do exceed things like insatntly running across the planet that are also considered some of Clark's higher feats. Savitar is much, much faster than Barry. I do agree Clark has a higher average (excluding outliers like the last feat, which alone would make Barry's average higher than anyone else in live-action), but he's definitely not smoking Savitar. Especially since Savitar's so powerful even outside his speed.

There needs to be an option called

"Clark solos, this is a mismatch".

@firestormfate1919:

Let's take crossing a Solar System in less than a minute for now, and go off of that, because I'm not sure about crossing the galaxy. That's around Mach 14,787,510, around 17 times the speed of light. Very impressive. I can think of some Barry feats to match it though.

I think you were a bit off with your calculations.

and this calculation is assuming that Clark crossed the solar system in just under 1 minute, if we assume it took him even more time...say 59.9 seconds, Clark is still over 1000x FTL.

@firestormfate1919: Let's take a look at crossing multiple galaxies in a day.

I'm basing this post off the diameter of the milky way galaxy and just assuming that Clark went back and forth.

Clark at the very least would be travelling at a speed of 7,305,127 FTL.

@citizensurfer: Yeah you're right, I just redid it and got over 1,000 too. Don't know where I messed up so drastically before. Still less than Barry's second most impressive feat though (I'm assuming this is Clark's second most impressive for speed).

The Galaxy feat is insanely impressive, but it's still utterly dwarfed by Barry's best speed feat.

Like I said, I think Clark solos and probably has the highest average speed of anyone here, but if we're going top speeds Barry blows him out of the water. I just don't think this is a stomp based on Barry's, and by extension Savitar's, feats.

The Galaxy feat is insanely impressive, but it's still utterly dwarfed by Barry's best speed feat.

I don't see how it is "utterly dwarfed" when you yourself said the following:

Barry needed to run a grand total of at least Mach 9.5x1028 to counteract the Pulse. This is about 1.087x1023 times faster than light.

Barry Allen's best speed feat is running at a speed of 1,112x FTL.

Which is "utterly dwarfed" by Clark's feat of crossing multiple galaxies in a day.

Clark's speed during that feat is calculated to be 7,305,127x FTL.

@citizensurfer said:

@firestormfate1919 said:

@citizensurfer: Yeah you're right, I just redid it and got over 1,000 too. Don't know where I messed up so drastically before. Still less than Barry's second most impressive feat though (I'm assuming this is Clark's second most impressive for speed).

The Galaxy feat is insanely impressive, but it's still utterly dwarfed by Barry's best speed feat.

Like I said, I think Clark solos and probably has the highest average speed of anyone here, but if we're going top speeds Barry blows him out of the water. I just don't think this is a stomp based on Barry's, and by extension Savitar's, feats.

The Galaxy feat is insanely impressive, but it's still utterly dwarfed by Barry's best speed feat.

I don't see how it is "utterly dwarfed" when you yourself said the following:

Barry needed to run a grand total of at least Mach 9.5x1028 to counteract the Pulse. This is about 1.087x1023 times faster than light.

Barry Allen's best speed feat is running at a speed of 1,112x FTL.

Which is "utterly dwarfed" by Clark's feat of crossing multiple galaxies in a day.

Clark's speed during that feat is calculated to be 7,305,127x FTL.

I probably should have been more clear with the notation. That was just shorthand for 1.087 x 10^1023. Meaning it's followed by 1,023 zeros. Which makes it pretty easily the best speed feat in live-action. I think it also beats any comic feat I'm aware of outside Wally's instantanious universe cross.

Obviously it's a massive outlier, and it did kill him in the process, but that's still insane. And I don't think Clark is that out of Barry's league. Consistently better for sure, but not enough to smoke someone like Savitar.

Someone's gonna have to explain this Flash feat, because if the show hasn't beat into our head Flash to not yet capable of hitting faster than light speeds, let alone one that, in one's word "the best speed in live-action" (when you have Monkey King flipping across the universe for that), I'm gonna have to see the logistic in that.

Also, that galaxy crossing for Clark is a low-end. An extreme one. Clark fought people who crossed 23 galaxies at minimum in half a day (might be even less since they left at nightfall and it was still nightfall when they arrived), did so himself (he was stationed in 2813 sector and had to haul ass to get to 2814 before Parallax yellow rings wrecked havoc) and Green Lanterns cross magnitudes greater distances than that with their regular visit to Earth.

Galaxy crossing is way too common in Smallville once the Lantern arc (and the subsequent Monitors invasion) began. So no outlier for them

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