Battle takes place in a merged dimension of the Crimson Cosmos and the dimension Chthon resides in, so both can use as much of their potential power. Who wins?
Hm, I don't know...Chthon is supposed to be practically the supreme master of all black magic. He also possesses souls to do his bidding from dimensions away, and the people he possesses become extremely powerful due to his power. Could Cyttorak counter Chthon's vast knowledge of dark magic?
Well, Cyttorak has his own avatar/herald or whatever you wanna call him in Juggernaut, and he's only protected by his magic, and most in the MU find it hard to stop or deal with Juggernaut! Don't think it would be easy either way, but my gut feeling says Cyttorak. Might have to do some more research on both and get back.
Hmmm, I think I'd have to go with Chthon actually. No real specific reasons come to mind, just that Chthon tends to be depicted as more evil and ruthless I gotta think he'd find a way around Cyttorak's power.
I will take the power of an Elder God... over an Inter Dimensional one almost anyday "
even one with that much power? also, what makes you think all "inter dimensionals" are created equal? "
How does Cyttorak being able to control a Universe make him more powerful than Chthon when he himself could do the same thing ? "
the fact that beings like zom and dormammu use him as a power source for spells. "
but many Demons and Deity have near Unlimited Magical Power... Cyttorak as a Magical Source of Power is good and all... but it means very little here... since technically Chthon is an Unlimited source of Magical Power himself...
I will take the power of an Elder God... over an Inter Dimensional one almost anyday "
even one with that much power? also, what makes you think all "inter dimensionals" are created equal? "
How does Cyttorak being able to control a Universe make him more powerful than Chthon when he himself could do the same thing ? "
the fact that beings like zom and dormammu use him as a power source for spells. "
but many Demons and Deity have near Unlimited Magical Power... Cyttorak as a Magical Source of Power is good and all... but it means very little here... since technically Chthon is an Unlimited source of Magical Power himself... "
ok, so its 2 unlimited sources fighting. Why do you think Chthon wins?
ask many different magic users, since it's been used time and time again against powerful magic users "
Not all Powerful Magic Users are Elder Gods though "
but some beings that are above elder gods, such as galactus, have been held by them. "
You Are Sort of Right Here... in the Sense That Galactus maybe more Powerful than the Elder Gods... but Power Cosmic Users seem to have always had an issue with battling High Class Magic Users... and Chthon is a High Class Magic User... his power may not be overall as great as Galactus... but he has the Magic and defensive abilities to conuter Magic to hold his own here... as well as Dish it Out
"Chthon is an Elder God that resides in a nether dimension adjacent to the earthly plane. In his dimension he is omnipotent, having total control over every aspect of the dimensions reality"
"Chthon is an Elder God that resides in a nether dimension adjacent to the earthly plane. In his dimension he is omnipotent, having total control over every aspect of the dimensions reality"
iWin ;D "
cyttorak can do the same thing in his dimenion too. What did you win?
same would go for C'thon though aswell, question is, is thiis a mixture of both realms together (which would mean their both as powerful as one another) or a Neutral ground?
And here it is again, BOTH need a Avatar/ Host to be on such a realm.
"same would go for C'thon though aswell, question is, is thiis a mixture of both realms together (which would mean their both as powerful as one another) or a Neutral ground?And here it is again, BOTH need a Avatar/ Host to be on such a realm."
You said a merged dimension, so that would be the one time that neither needed an avaratr to fight personally. I'm tempted to back Chthon for the win but it would be close run.
"Ugh, Cyttorak is barely stronger than Juggernaut who is weaker than *$&^Is this even a fight?"
Cyttorak is a lot more powerful than Juggernaut, particualrly in his own realm. "
If that's true then how come Cyttorak got beaten ujp by Juggernut in the Crimson Cosmos?"
Potential plot line or simple test (willpower to stand up to Cyttorak). The Juggernaut does not make other cosmic level mystic entities pause like Cyttorak does.
"Ugh, Cyttorak is barely stronger than Juggernaut who is weaker than *$&^Is this even a fight?"
Cyttorak is a lot more powerful than Juggernaut, particualrly in his own realm. "
If that's true then how come Cyttorak got beaten ujp by Juggernut in the Crimson Cosmos?"
Potential plot line or simple test (willpower to stand up to Cyttorak).The Juggernaut does not make other cosmic level mystic entities pause like Cyttorak does. "
and yet Juggernaut breaks space / time barriers <.<
"Ugh, Cyttorak is barely stronger than Juggernaut who is weaker than *$&^Is this even a fight?"
Cyttorak is a lot more powerful than Juggernaut, particualrly in his own realm. "
If that's true then how come Cyttorak got beaten ujp by Juggernut in the Crimson Cosmos?"
Potential plot line or simple test (willpower to stand up to Cyttorak).The Juggernaut does not make other cosmic level mystic entities pause like Cyttorak does. "
and yet Juggernaut breaks space / time barriers <.<"
" Battle takes place in a merged dimension of the Crimson Cosmos and the dimension Chthon resides in, so both can use as much of their potential power. Who wins?
Let's just settle this lol
i wanted to make this a debate but hey, i like laying the smackdown too ;D
"Cyttorak existed as a deity (or demon) who received worship on Earth until under unknown circumstances he was banished from the Earth. He took up residence in a dimension known as the Crimson Cosmos, where time did not pass. Cyttorak has existed since the time of the ancient sorceress Morgan le Fay (during the time of the Seventh Century), and has even back then offered his magic to use as worshippers for power, as shown when Morgan utilized the Crimson Bands easily to bind Dr. Strange and Bolar.
Approximately one thousand years ago, a gathering of eight great magical beings took place. These beings -- Balthakk, Farallah, Ikonn, Krakkan, Raggadorr, Valtorr, Watoomb, and Cyttorak -- disagreed as to who had the greatest power. Hence, they settled on the Wager of the Octessence. Each being created an artifact with a fraction of their respective power, which would transform the first human who made physical contact with it into an Exemplar, a living personification of the power. Using outside agents, to construct temples to house the artifacts, the magical beings planned that the first mortal to find the artifact would trigger a spell that would quickly draw others to the remaining artifacts, creating eight Exemplars. Then would come the Ceremony of the Octessence, where a gathering of the Exemplars would attend the construction of a great magical engine, which would overwhelm the wills of all human beings. After the enslavement of humanity, each Exemplar would rule an eighth of humanity, with subsequently a war between all Exemplars in which only one would be left standing. Cyttorak managed to build a temple in a Southeast Asian country. He had a thrall demon named Xorak protect this temple for him."
now, i underlined the fact that he took residence after being banished from earth (nothing more / less special about him being in the Crimson Cosmos) ... whereas Ch'thon...
"Chthon is an Elder God that resides in a nether dimension adjacent to the earthly plane. In his dimension he is omnipotent, having total control over every aspect of the dimensions reality"
just because Cyttorak is king of that dimension doesnt give him anymore nifty powers that he didnt have before. (Comparable to Blastaar and the Negative Zone currently)
" Battle takes place in a merged dimension of the Crimson Cosmos and the dimension Chthon resides in, so both can use as much of their potential power. Who wins?
Let's just settle this lol
i wanted to make this a debate but hey, i like laying the smackdown too ;D
"Cyttorak existed as a deity (or demon) who received worship on Earth until under unknown circumstances he was banished from the Earth. He took up residence in a dimension known as the Crimson Cosmos, where time did not pass. Cyttorak has existed since the time of the ancient sorceress Morgan le Fay (during the time of the Seventh Century), and has even back then offered his magic to use as worshippers for power, as shown when Morgan utilized the Crimson Bands easily to bind Dr. Strange and Bolar.
Approximately one thousand years ago, a gathering of eight great magical beings took place. These beings -- Balthakk, Farallah, Ikonn, Krakkan, Raggadorr, Valtorr, Watoomb, and Cyttorak -- disagreed as to who had the greatest power. Hence, they settled on the Wager of the Octessence. Each being created an artifact with a fraction of their respective power, which would transform the first human who made physical contact with it into an Exemplar, a living personification of the power. Using outside agents, to construct temples to house the artifacts, the magical beings planned that the first mortal to find the artifact would trigger a spell that would quickly draw others to the remaining artifacts, creating eight Exemplars. Then would come the Ceremony of the Octessence, where a gathering of the Exemplars would attend the construction of a great magical engine, which would overwhelm the wills of all human beings. After the enslavement of humanity, each Exemplar would rule an eighth of humanity, with subsequently a war between all Exemplars in which only one would be left standing. Cyttorak managed to build a temple in a Southeast Asian country. He had a thrall demon named Xorak protect this temple for him."
now, i underlined the fact that he took residence after being banished from earth (nothing more / less special about him being in the Crimson Cosmos) ... whereas Ch'thon...
"Chthon is an Elder God that resides in a nether dimension adjacent to the earthly plane. In his dimension he is omnipotent, having total control over every aspect of the dimensions reality"
just because Cyttorak is king of that dimension doesnt give him anymore nifty powers that he didnt have before. (Comparable to Blastaar and the Negative Zone currently)
"
well it looks like someone hasn't read some old dr. strange comics with cyttorak in them.
" Battle takes place in a merged dimension of the Crimson Cosmos and the dimension Chthon resides in, so both can use as much of their potential power. Who wins?
Let's just settle this lol
i wanted to make this a debate but hey, i like laying the smackdown too ;D
"Cyttorak existed as a deity (or demon) who received worship on Earth until under unknown circumstances he was banished from the Earth. He took up residence in a dimension known as the Crimson Cosmos, where time did not pass. Cyttorak has existed since the time of the ancient sorceress Morgan le Fay (during the time of the Seventh Century), and has even back then offered his magic to use as worshippers for power, as shown when Morgan utilized the Crimson Bands easily to bind Dr. Strange and Bolar.
Approximately one thousand years ago, a gathering of eight great magical beings took place. These beings -- Balthakk, Farallah, Ikonn, Krakkan, Raggadorr, Valtorr, Watoomb, and Cyttorak -- disagreed as to who had the greatest power. Hence, they settled on the Wager of the Octessence. Each being created an artifact with a fraction of their respective power, which would transform the first human who made physical contact with it into an Exemplar, a living personification of the power. Using outside agents, to construct temples to house the artifacts, the magical beings planned that the first mortal to find the artifact would trigger a spell that would quickly draw others to the remaining artifacts, creating eight Exemplars. Then would come the Ceremony of the Octessence, where a gathering of the Exemplars would attend the construction of a great magical engine, which would overwhelm the wills of all human beings. After the enslavement of humanity, each Exemplar would rule an eighth of humanity, with subsequently a war between all Exemplars in which only one would be left standing. Cyttorak managed to build a temple in a Southeast Asian country. He had a thrall demon named Xorak protect this temple for him."
now, i underlined the fact that he took residence after being banished from earth (nothing more / less special about him being in the Crimson Cosmos) ... whereas Ch'thon...
"Chthon is an Elder God that resides in a nether dimension adjacent to the earthly plane. In his dimension he is omnipotent, having total control over every aspect of the dimensions reality"
just because Cyttorak is king of that dimension doesnt give him anymore nifty powers that he didnt have before. (Comparable to Blastaar and the Negative Zone currently)
"
well it looks like someone hasn't read some old dr. strange comics with cyttorak in them."
I was wondering if you were goping to wade in on this. Isn't that info ripped from Wiki ?
" Battle takes place in a merged dimension of the Crimson Cosmos and the dimension Chthon resides in, so both can use as much of their potential power. Who wins?
Let's just settle this lol
i wanted to make this a debate but hey, i like laying the smackdown too ;D
"Cyttorak existed as a deity (or demon) who received worship on Earth until under unknown circumstances he was banished from the Earth. He took up residence in a dimension known as the Crimson Cosmos, where time did not pass. Cyttorak has existed since the time of the ancient sorceress Morgan le Fay (during the time of the Seventh Century), and has even back then offered his magic to use as worshippers for power, as shown when Morgan utilized the Crimson Bands easily to bind Dr. Strange and Bolar.
Approximately one thousand years ago, a gathering of eight great magical beings took place. These beings -- Balthakk, Farallah, Ikonn, Krakkan, Raggadorr, Valtorr, Watoomb, and Cyttorak -- disagreed as to who had the greatest power. Hence, they settled on the Wager of the Octessence. Each being created an artifact with a fraction of their respective power, which would transform the first human who made physical contact with it into an Exemplar, a living personification of the power. Using outside agents, to construct temples to house the artifacts, the magical beings planned that the first mortal to find the artifact would trigger a spell that would quickly draw others to the remaining artifacts, creating eight Exemplars. Then would come the Ceremony of the Octessence, where a gathering of the Exemplars would attend the construction of a great magical engine, which would overwhelm the wills of all human beings. After the enslavement of humanity, each Exemplar would rule an eighth of humanity, with subsequently a war between all Exemplars in which only one would be left standing. Cyttorak managed to build a temple in a Southeast Asian country. He had a thrall demon named Xorak protect this temple for him."
now, i underlined the fact that he took residence after being banished from earth (nothing more / less special about him being in the Crimson Cosmos) ... whereas Ch'thon...
"Chthon is an Elder God that resides in a nether dimension adjacent to the earthly plane. In his dimension he is omnipotent, having total control over every aspect of the dimensions reality"
just because Cyttorak is king of that dimension doesnt give him anymore nifty powers that he didnt have before. (Comparable to Blastaar and the Negative Zone currently)
"
well it looks like someone hasn't read some old dr. strange comics with cyttorak in them. "
I have but would you be so kind as to define those issues/that issue?
" Battle takes place in a merged dimension of the Crimson Cosmos and the dimension Chthon resides in, so both can use as much of their potential power. Who wins?
Let's just settle this lol
i wanted to make this a debate but hey, i like laying the smackdown too ;D
"Cyttorak existed as a deity (or demon) who received worship on Earth until under unknown circumstances he was banished from the Earth. He took up residence in a dimension known as the Crimson Cosmos, where time did not pass. Cyttorak has existed since the time of the ancient sorceress Morgan le Fay (during the time of the Seventh Century), and has even back then offered his magic to use as worshippers for power, as shown when Morgan utilized the Crimson Bands easily to bind Dr. Strange and Bolar.
Approximately one thousand years ago, a gathering of eight great magical beings took place. These beings -- Balthakk, Farallah, Ikonn, Krakkan, Raggadorr, Valtorr, Watoomb, and Cyttorak -- disagreed as to who had the greatest power. Hence, they settled on the Wager of the Octessence. Each being created an artifact with a fraction of their respective power, which would transform the first human who made physical contact with it into an Exemplar, a living personification of the power. Using outside agents, to construct temples to house the artifacts, the magical beings planned that the first mortal to find the artifact would trigger a spell that would quickly draw others to the remaining artifacts, creating eight Exemplars. Then would come the Ceremony of the Octessence, where a gathering of the Exemplars would attend the construction of a great magical engine, which would overwhelm the wills of all human beings. After the enslavement of humanity, each Exemplar would rule an eighth of humanity, with subsequently a war between all Exemplars in which only one would be left standing. Cyttorak managed to build a temple in a Southeast Asian country. He had a thrall demon named Xorak protect this temple for him."
now, i underlined the fact that he took residence after being banished from earth (nothing more / less special about him being in the Crimson Cosmos) ... whereas Ch'thon...
"Chthon is an Elder God that resides in a nether dimension adjacent to the earthly plane. In his dimension he is omnipotent, having total control over every aspect of the dimensions reality"
just because Cyttorak is king of that dimension doesnt give him anymore nifty powers that he didnt have before. (Comparable to Blastaar and the Negative Zone currently)
"
well it looks like someone hasn't read some old dr. strange comics with cyttorak in them. "
I have but would you be so kind as to define those issues/that issue? "
Oh but i have Cyttorak wanted to be praised by by the people outside of the crimson cosmos so he let strange and nova go, (by the way he said that he would fine the wizard as soon as he was done with nova meaning he didnt know that strange was spying on him = not Omniscient nor Omnipresent) plus he was overwhelmed by the juggernaut after he said so and someone who is Omnipotent doesnt get knocked back down.
" Oh but i have Cyttorak wanted to be praised by by the people outside of the crimson cosmos so he let strange and nova though (by the way he said that he would fine the wizard as soon as he was done with nova
then you just looked at the artwork without reading the text.
where he says "I and the Cosmos that is myself..." right? I'll give you that but he still didnt know strange or the Juggernaut were spying on him. I'll try to go awy from cyttorak now and move further to Cthon to bring some evidence of his mastery in his realm / or somewhere else. "
no, i don't mean that. So you only found those 3 scans of the issue and read them, right?
no dude galactus is at the beginning trying to claim Stranges powers and SS isn't his Herald anymore and rebells then the scenery switches to strange being captured in Crimson crystals until cain marko breaks him free and from then on they sneak through where cain asks strange how he knows where to go and he tells him he can see it through the "Ether" and then they find Cyttorak whom they spy upon while Nova is bonded to the wall, moking Cyttorak about the fact that he has to summon Elves to praise him and bla
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