This would make ZenOh Multi Universal. In this situation the Universes were not separated by time and space... they are just right next to each other. In other words the DB universe is basically a Universe 100x the size of ours.
Looks like you didn´t get the threat´s title, to break it down for you well Akira stated that currently are 12 universes existing (That´s a collective reference not an individual one), you inventing your own point of view of the series is irrelevant since you are not the author or even a participant of Toei.
The thread says multiversal attacks meaning the attack destroyed multiple plains of existence... the 12 dbs universes are on the same plain of existence. So destroying them would be multi-universal.
@beast_mode999: That's ridiculous logic. The etymology of the word "multiverse" comes from "multiple universes". It literally means a collection of multiple universes. The easiest way to explain this is show you where you're going wrong. Your quote:
"-the 12 dbs universes are-"
HOLD IT! Back up:
"-the 12 dbs universes-"
Okay, play it again, one more time:
"-12 universes-"
Back, and to the left...back, and to the left...lol jk, but do you see your problem? It's not one universe, is it? It's 12 of them. That's a multiverse, my dude.
@beast_mode999: That's ridiculous logic. The etymology of the word "multiverse" comes from "multiple universes". It literally means a collection of multiple universes. The easiest way to explain this is show you where you're going wrong. Your quote:
"-the 12 dbs universes are-"
HOLD IT! Back up:
"-the 12 dbs universes-"
Okay, play it again, one more time:
"-12 universes-"
Back, and to the left...back, and to the left...lol jk, but do you see your problem? It's not one universe, is it? It's 12 of them. That's a multiverse, my dude.
It really doesn't matter to me both feats are equally as impressive. The only thing we disagree on is label of the feat.
I just don't see it a multiversal feat due to the fact that Dragonball does not have the traditional multiverse which is separate universes on different plains of reality which differ depending on the decisions we make
I came across a list of names for different types of possible universe once.
Monoverse: a reality where time has a beginning and is linear and physical constants are the same throughout space. By definition, there is only one monoverse.
Multiverse: a reality where time is linear but space may be discontinuous, with the same physical constants in different regions. These different regions "bubble" off into separate monoverses. The number of bubbles may be finite or countably infinite.
Polyverse: a reality where time is linear but space may be discontinuous, with different physical constants in different regions. These different regions "bubble" off into separate monoverses. The number of bubbles may be finite or countably infinite.
Omniverse: a reality where time branches into separate timelines at every quantum possibility. There is an uncountable infinity of timelines in an omniverse.
So what Zeno destroyed by these definitions, was a multiverse...
Unless one or more of the 12 universe has different laws of physics, in which case what he destroyed was a polyverse.
Interestingly, the "Omniverse" of Marvel is not an Omniverse, because an Omniverse contains all realities, which would include all of fiction. It has timelines, different realities and multiverse within those realities.
Marvels Omniverse is actually a Temporospatial Multiversal Polyverse. So is DCs Hypertime. Unless something changes, Dragonballs Universe is a Temporospatial Multiverse.
This would make ZenOh Multi Universal. In this situation the Universes were not separated by time and space... they are just right next to each other. In other words the DB universe is basically a Universe 100x the size of ours.
Why not? Multi-verse is more multiple universes. What MM did would have destroyed billions of dimensions (which in Marvel is often equated to universes).
Why not? Multi-verse is more multiple universes. What MM did would have destroyed billions of dimensions (which in Marvel is often equated to universes).
Multiverse level is usually defined as being able to destroy the entire Multiverse. Not just Multiple Universes.
This would make ZenOh Multi Universal. In this situation the Universes were not separated by time and space... they are just right next to each other. In other words the DB universe is basically a Universe 100x the size of ours.
scans ?
Whis already gave us the layout of the 12 universes and Universe 6 & 7 had a clear boundary between them... The U7 and U6 tournament to place between the two universes
According to @sirfizzwhizz he's only mid-tier by feats.
His exploits, prep, and use of a army allows him to destroy multiverses, but he himself is not doing it on his lonesome.
I'm talking Dis the true crimson king dark & aspect of Gan not his avatars as he would survive collapse of the Dark Tower. But ya his proxys like Los are much lower
X This is just the DT size scan incase anyone hasn't seen
According to @sirfizzwhizz he's only mid-tier by feats.
His exploits, prep, and use of a army allows him to destroy multiverses, but he himself is not doing it on his lonesome.
I'm talking Dis the true crimson king dark & aspect of Gan not his avatars as he would survive collapse of the Dark Tower. But ya his proxys like Los are much lower
X This is just the DT size scan incase anyone hasn't seen
Problem is, Dis/Gan, much like the Beams, the 3 most powerful things in SK novels, they dont do anything. They do not fight directly. So using them as a bench of powerful in a battle forum context is pointless.
Why not? Multi-verse is more multiple universes. What MM did would have destroyed billions of dimensions (which in Marvel is often equated to universes).
Multiverse level is usually defined as being able to destroy the entire Multiverse. Not just Multiple Universes.
Hmm, I guess I'm not up on my levels. There is a big difference between Monarch who is said to be "universal" who destroyed life in one universe vs Molecule Man who had an attack that was the equivalent of destroying billions of universes (dimensions). Especially since not all multiverses are infinite.
I came across a list of names for different types of possible universe once.
Monoverse: a reality where time has a beginning and is linear and physical constants are the same throughout space. By definition, there is only one monoverse.
Multiverse: a reality where time is linear but space may be discontinuous, with the same physical constants in different regions. These different regions "bubble" off into separate monoverses. The number of bubbles may be finite or countably infinite.
Polyverse: a reality where time is linear but space may be discontinuous, with different physical constants in different regions. These different regions "bubble" off into separate monoverses. The number of bubbles may be finite or countably infinite.
Omniverse: a reality where time branches into separate timelines at every quantum possibility. There is an uncountable infinity of timelines in an omniverse.
So what Zeno destroyed by these definitions, was a multiverse...
Unless one or more of the 12 universe has different laws of physics, in which case what he destroyed was a polyverse.
Interestingly, the "Omniverse" of Marvel is not an Omniverse, because an Omniverse contains all realities, which would include all of fiction. It has timelines, different realities and multiverse within those realities.
Marvels Omniverse is actually a Temporospatial Multiversal Polyverse. So is DCs Hypertime. Unless something changes, Dragonballs Universe is a Temporospatial Multiverse.
Bro is Cartoon network a multiverse or omniverse?Well paradox revealed there are infinte universes So is it omniverse?
According to @sirfizzwhizz he's only mid-tier by feats.
His exploits, prep, and use of a army allows him to destroy multiverses, but he himself is not doing it on his lonesome.
I'm talking Dis the true crimson king dark & aspect of Gan not his avatars as he would survive collapse of the Dark Tower. But ya his proxys like Los are much lower
X This is just the DT size scan incase anyone hasn't seen
Problem is, Dis/Gan, much like the Beams, the 3 most powerful things in SK novels, they dont do anything. They do not fight directly. So using them as a bench of powerful in a battle forum context is pointless.
True they don't do anything direct fight/battle wise but they do affect the dark tower multiverse in various ways which was what I thought the thread was about.
I came across a list of names for different types of possible universe once.
Monoverse: a reality where time has a beginning and is linear and physical constants are the same throughout space. By definition, there is only one monoverse.
Multiverse: a reality where time is linear but space may be discontinuous, with the same physical constants in different regions. These different regions "bubble" off into separate monoverses. The number of bubbles may be finite or countably infinite.
Polyverse: a reality where time is linear but space may be discontinuous, with different physical constants in different regions. These different regions "bubble" off into separate monoverses. The number of bubbles may be finite or countably infinite.
Omniverse: a reality where time branches into separate timelines at every quantum possibility. There is an uncountable infinity of timelines in an omniverse.
So what Zeno destroyed by these definitions, was a multiverse...
Unless one or more of the 12 universe has different laws of physics, in which case what he destroyed was a polyverse.
Interestingly, the "Omniverse" of Marvel is not an Omniverse, because an Omniverse contains all realities, which would include all of fiction. It has timelines, different realities and multiverse within those realities.
Marvels Omniverse is actually a Temporospatial Multiversal Polyverse. So is DCs Hypertime. Unless something changes, Dragonballs Universe is a Temporospatial Multiverse
Bro is Cartoon network a multiverse or omniverse?Well paradox revealed there are infinte universes So is it omniverse?
The trouble with the word "infinite" is that it get's used for things that aren't actually infinite but are so damn vast that they might as well be. But a truly infinite number of universes that are all different in some way would be an omniverse.
After the alignment opens, Phoenix projects the essence of a lighthouse from one universe across the multiverse.
The M’Kraan Crystal is revealed the Nexus of All Realties, being a doorway into each reality. If the Crystal is breached, it will destroy universe by universe until the multiverse is destroyed and a new one is born from the “Big Crunch”.
White Hot Room is revealed to be within the M’Kraan Crystal.
The White Hot Room is said to be a nexus for the Phoenix hosts to rest. It is said to be the Heart and Mind of the Phoenix, as well as the center of Creation.
The White Hot Room gives access to multiple alternate realities.
Part of White Phoenix most famous feat, she amputates an entire alternate future from the timeline.
The main famous feat. Total telekinetic control of every atom in the universe. She visually holds the 616 in her hands.
Many low-ball this part of the feat. What they fail to realize is that not only is Jean going basically off of minimum information with no evidence of knowing where Scott is, but she is telepathically pushing him to move on from an alternate dimension outside the universe. So, in essence, White Phoenix has Transdimensional Telepathy to Universal Level Telepathy when scaling to Dark Phoenix.
White Phoenix Telepathically communicates your an AU version of Phoenix Vulcan from the White Hot Room.
White Phoenix makes Phoenix Vulcan’s attacks harmless to the Summers family in an AU and tells AU Rachel Summers to infiltrate his mind.
White Phoenix demonstrates Black Hole Manipulation. Not a multiversal feat. Just an extra one feat to add to her repertoire.
•The first Scan: White Phoenix guides her family to the White Hot a Room.
•The Next two scans after: Also, she frees Emma Frost from being restrained in an illusion and forewarns Emma Frost of Hope Summers coming as the next Phoenix.
•The last three: White Phoenix calls the pieces of the Phoenix from across the universe to regroup.
White Phoenix stops Dark Phoenix Cyclops from ascending the universe and entering the White Hot Room.
•First Three Scans: White Phoenix appears in another alternate universe where life has to start over. She protects Logan from the extinction of mankind and lets him watch with her the beginning of new life on Earth.
•Last Four Scans: White Phoenix wipes telepaths from reality before destroying an entire universe. She demonstrates her clairvoyance by showing Scott a dystopian future resulting from his presidency. White Phoenix then creates a new universe using the leftover life-force from the old one.
According to Death, Phoenix and Jean Grey’s bonding scared the universal forces the most.
Phoenix stated in the Phoenix Force handbook to be the nexus of all psionic energy and was the one that saved a universes inhabitants from eternal damnation after the M’Kraan Crystal destroyed the previous multiverse. This universe was the one that Galactus comes from.
A necklace Jean Grey gave to Rachel takes her to the White Hot Room to save her from the Scarlet Witches Chaos Wave that enveloped the multiverse.
According to Lockheed’s species, Rachel Summers (a Phoenix host weaker than White Phoenix) is geared across the multiverse.
The wording in the red box states The Phoenix to be the nexus of all psionic energy in the multiverse.
Forewarning, the information in the spoilers is a long one.
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