Chakravartin vs Cosmic Garou

Rules

• Characters use all their powers and abilities.
• Characters don't know each other.

Who wis win?

Already done chakravartin stomps the verse.

Chakravartin could arguibly defeat Saitama

Chakravartin > all of opm, not a question

chakravartin from asura? I've debated the character before, apparently its just another overhyped game character.

garou stomps

Chakravartin stomps

@lilgodperv: Feats for this dude??

@mangacomics69: This dude dragged down the entire mikky way galaxy over a few minutes and was throwing large stars at the protagonist when they fought.

In terms of speed, he should be easily MFTL+.

He doesn't show any particular hax tho

This is gonna be lovely, isn't it?

Chakravatin for the win

Then he outstats & bodies Saitama then.

Chakravartin stomps.

@mangacomics69: He can also create infinite sized dimensions to trap his opponents.

@orientalwarrior: He does have hax. He can stop time.

Kay, but Garou gets out of that... Chakra does win via Superior stats & feats anyways.

@mangacomics69: Yes but here is the fact. Asura literally shattered the dimension with his punches. Chakravartin scales directly to him terms of power.

Hence my point, he outstats & bodies.

@mangacomics69:

Hence my point, he outstats & bodies.

chakravartin "outstats" garou?

lmfao, you have to be joking

@temsbumbumm: Na bro, Chakravartan is actually above Galaxy.

That’s Garous cap being generous. It should be Multi Solar.

Garou stomps mismatch.

CF Garou is Multi Galaxy+-low universal.

@jurance: Since when? He’s got no feats to suggest such

@chris2kzombieki: It was stated that he has the power to shake the universe by Murata. And the galaxies inside his body.

And before the redraw, it was stated by Blast that Garou was breaking the dimensional seal iirc. I'd have to look for the panel though but i'm pretty sure he was talking about dimensional seal.

@jurance:

The first one was a mistranslation, even if it wasn’t not only do Garous actual feats not support that but Chakravartin is actually universal.

He has galaxies his body…..and? That’s character design. Besides they aren’t always there.

That last one was because God gets more powerful with every host.

None of that is universal….

@chris2kzombieki:

ironically, jurance is correct, but not for the reasons he stated.

The serious punch^2 is around multi-solar to multi-galaxy in range. Most people go with the multi-solar value, but forget that it is very lowballed.

Now, garou and saitama underwent exponential growth during their fight on IO. The growth can be easily quantified. If you were to do another extreme lowball and assume the whole fight happened in a few nanoseconds, that would still be enough time for garou to go from "multi-solar" to way past baseline universal.

@temsbumbumm: No…there’s large gap between Solar and Galaxy level. A very large difference. More so when comparing it to the likes of Galaxy and universal.

Unless you can show without growth Saitama destroying a universe and or doing considerable damage to it, Chakravartin no diffs.

Even if you want Saitama to universal, Chakravartin is still higher considering Asura’s wrath cosmology has confirmed multiple dimensions and universes, unlike OPM which as at most one dimension confirmed (unless you take into account Genos’ statements but that still needs more context)

People still don’t understand that the attack was squared so it isn’t something Garou can do without Saitama. It’s not helping him here at all.

@chris2kzombieki:

No…there’s large gap between Solar and Galaxy level. A very large difference.

More so when comparing it to the likes of Galaxy and universal.

Where did I say there wasn't?

Unless you can show without growth Saitama destroying a universe and or doing considerable damage to it, Chakravartin no diffs.

I don't get this point. why do I need to "show without growth" saitama destroying one? When we have factual proof that his growth can achieve that?

Also, you have not provided any proof whatsoever of chakravartin even being universal in the first place

Even if you want Saitama to universal, Chakravartin is still higher considering Asura’s wrath cosmology has confirmed multiple dimensions and universes, unlike OPM which as at most one dimension confirmed (unless you take into account Genos’ statements but that still needs more context)

Asura's cosmology has nothing to do with this conversation. I'm still waiting for the "universal" feats for chakravartin. I have provided mine of current garou being in the "multi-galaxy to universal" range

also this is not saitama vs chakravartin, its garou vs chakravarting

1) Serious punch^2 is just the name of the attack.

2) The AP would be divided by 2 which makes zero difference anyways.

3) Garou can do it without saitama as it is just two serious punches colliding, one serious punch isn't any different (see number 2)

@temsbumbumm: There are none, nothing in Asura approaches universal tier, this guy is galaxy level with wank.

But props to Asura's Wrath for still having a good amount of explicit visually impressive feat unlike many other wanked games out there.

@temsbumbumm: The AP wouldn't be divided by 2. It should get a square root

Yes it would. Do I have to explain some basic physics now?

There is no way two equal forces would collide and the resultant would be squared. You're mistaking the name of the move as some indication of the mechanics of the attack

Finally getting notifications.

Anyway, it's not just a cool name because it was said by the narrator, not the characters and there would be no reason to put it there if didn't mean anything. It makes sense with the much lower scale on Io when both were growing stronger. Heck, a supermove from a stronger Saitama doesn't even destroy Jupiter and it was implied that would have killed or hurt Garou. And as OrientalWarrior said, Garou only scales to the square root of the attack.

dude.. read the actual manga

That's just the name of the attack

It is true that Saitama and Garou's clash is a shared feat, but what tier would the attacks be on their own without the square root? I suck at math so I just assume their power represents both halves of the hole they made in space.

A guy from one of my PM's on Discord said they would've been planet level individually without the square root but that just feels too small.

@takenstew22:

It is true that Saitama and Garou's clash is a shared feat, but what tier would the attacks be on their own without the square root? I suck at math so I just assume their power represents both halves of the hole they made in space.

The attacks on thier own is basically the full AP divided by two. So the tier would basically be the same as with it shared (since ranges like multi-solar etc are fucking huge number, a fraction of two is basically negligible).

So if you think the serious punch^2 is multi-solar, each of their individual punch is at least multi-solar (but it is slightly more complicated. The hole in space is the DC, the AP would scale above that when you start considering laws of collision and other stuff)

A guy from one of my PM's on Discord said they would've been planet level individually without the square root but that just feels too small.

Glad to inform you the dude doesn't know wtf they're talking about

@temsbumbumm:

I genuinely can't believe that anyone would look at the squared punch and have the indecency to unironically go "do i have to explain basic physics" only to defend the already physics-nonsensical feat. You can't seriously miss the irony at display, can you?

If you want to involve actual physics, start by applying it to photons. Gz, the feat is now useless because the light is gone, meaning for all we know it's just a void due to 0% light rather than 0% mass left.

One of many ways to apply "basic physics", for the record.

I don't have a problem with someone involving physics in general. The issue arises when it's done incredibly hypocritically and biased.

@temsbumbumm: You're absolutely right that it was just a name...I don't think anyone sane would argue against that.

However, the destruction of SP² is more than just /2. A whole team of Blasts compressed that blast, drastically increasing its destructive potential by focusing it to a smaller point with their own power.

It's a shared feat for Garou, Saitama, Blast, and his team. All of them put work energy into the event.

Where would you place Saitama and Garou individually then? I thought you always placed them at multi-solar.

OT, Chakra should take it. He outscales Garou and I don't think his growth would close the gap before Chakra beats the religion out of him.

@takenstew22: I do, more or less. I just don't undersell a hole in the freakin starscape as MS like most do. That's very obviously WAY higher...but it took like 6 guys to achieve. On their own, Garou and Saitama scale way under the end result of the SP² event.

Also, this is a mismatch. Even if you ignore several galaxies orbiting Chakravartin (which is a weaker form than the one pictured here) he's still the creator of the universe and he scales to Asura who destroyed the dimension he and Chakra were in if I'm correct.