CFYOW Kenpachi vs EOS Sasuke

Sasuke one shots

@ultimatesage I mean if it were TYBW version Kenny then yes I would agree, but CFYOW I cannot see Sasuke one shotting. Care to explain why you think he would?

@rory2347: wait do you think tybw Kenpachi is weaker than cfyow Kenpachi??

Sasuke one shots because neither versions of Kenpachi are close in comparison. Whether it be speed, ap, dc, or durability

Sasuke’s too versatile.

Kenpachi bisects him.

Kenpachi one shots.

Sasuke one shots

@ultimatesage Uhm he is stronger in CFYOW(it is a sequel after all) by like a lot lol I guess you never read it, if you had I cant see why you would say he is weaker when he has mastered his shikai and has greater feats and statements than TYBW. There is also SAFWY feats.

@rory2347: was thinking of safwy. But no, nothing in cfyow is comparable to Sasuke's feats

@ultimatesage I mean I would disagree with that, I have seen all of Naruto/Boruto and I didnt see really anything that would exceed CFYOW, dont get me wrong I like sasuke more but power wise I would put at planetary to star level (if I were to wank it sure there is solar system level by calcs only) statements and feats for sasuke are good but CFYOW is right there(possible greater if you were to be disingenuous)

In CFYOW he let hisagi sensed it and hisagi knew if he took one more step towards kenpachi he would be destroyed(thats why I said no soul crush here)

He is also strong he fought hikone (a future soul king candidate) in his base cause he said in shikai fights become boring Remember that same hikone was running circles around byakuya, shunsui and yourichi..... literal circles. When Kenny arrived hikone stopped paying attention to them cause he knew Kenny was insanely strong.

When they fought hisagi described their speeds as damn near instantaneous (they were fighting at teleportation level speeds or at the very least ftl+ to MFTL) and Hikone could combine flash step, hirenkyaku, sonido and bungai raito to move. To hikone yorichi was moving in slow motion and kenpachi could easily keep up with it. So speed I would argue goes to Kenpachi, I mean he was warping space by moving and I havent seen Sasuke do anything close to that. Power is subjective as Kenpachis AP is arguably higher than Sasuke but I would give DC to Sasuke, I dunno about durability as Kenny doesnt really care if he gets hit and Sasuke has susano'o(although I do believe Kenny would just cut right through it). Unless I didnt see something that Sasuke did in the manga, he did manage to keep up with Naruto and surpass him in some aspects but his meteors are much smaller than Gremmys and Indras arrow is his strongest attack unless I missed something? I would still say this is a very close match regardless due to Sasukes versatility

Sasuke one shots kenpachi is fodder stop overrating the bleach verse

@supreme101 sounds like your overrating the Naruto verse, I guess we can agree to disagree. I would be more than happy to agree with you if you were to give me valid reasons as to why Sasuke could even contend with people who are in the realm of soul kings level.

Lol sasuke lol stomps this fodder don’t matter if it’s SAFWY,TYBW or CFYOW

Kenpachi one shots sasuke is fodder stop overrating the boruto's dad verse

And? Soul King was only holding 3 planets together and nowhere is it stated Kenpachi scales to SK if there is I request scans Bleach verse depends heavily on statements while never having any feats. Sasuke has already shown relativity to Kaguya who creates entire dimensions.

creating dimensions means jack diddly-ass squat in a combat scenario. if a character can create dimensions and destroy those exact same dimensions that they created, without showing the ability to destroy a neutral dimension of equivalent size, that's beyond irrelevant when it comes to a fight

by your logic, Charlotte Mont-d'Or from One Piece can destroy entire dimensions just because he can create a tiny pocket dimension with his books

Charlotte Brulee is apparently "dimensional" because she can destroy a mirror dimension, too

@bernie2020m4a:

creating dimensions means jack diddly-ass squat in a combat scenario. if a character can create dimensions and destroy those exact same dimensions that they created, without showing the ability to destroy a neutral dimension of equivalent size, that's beyond irrelevant when it comes to a fight

She's still expending the total amounts of energy required to do so it's been emphasized in Naruto that chakra output=physicals. Newtons 3rd law also applies.

by your logic, Charlotte Mont-d'Or from One Piece can destroy entire dimensions just because he can create a tiny pocket dimension with his books

That's the thing tho it's been shown he not only dosen't scale to it it's also hax those books can be easily destroyed from the outside also they're books lol not strong.

Charlotte Brulee is apparently "dimensional" because she can destroy a mirror dimension, too

Those dimensions your mentioning don't even have the same build as kaguyas own dimension I mean come on Mirrors?

@supreme101: kaguya’s created pocket dimensions much like how Obito also has a pocket dimension as well. The only difference is that Kaguya and Obito has different methods of transportation to them. That doesn’t mean that Obito is somehow dimensional level dating all the way back to him first awakened is mangekyou.

@supreme101: yukio created 6 dimensions instantly on panel some having stars and moons in them and he's fodder to Kenpachi.

It's never stated she made all those dimensions. Her core dimension hasn't shown anything other than a planet in it and that's the only she can destroy. Even then she needs the world's charkra to do so she doesn't even scale to it. That's like saying senna scales to the valley of screams dimension since she can freely control and destroy it via manipulating the blanks.Senna her self is fodder even shikai ichigo beats. So ichigo must be solar using your logic

Sasuke soloes the captains at the same time.

Bankai Kenny ultimately one shots..

CFYOW Kenny? Who can fully control his power swings and turns Emo boy into minced meat lol.

Sasuke stomps by being objectively better at almost anything, AP, DC, hax, intelligence, you name it, he is better.

Kenny stomps by made up hype from fans.

Kenpachi fodderizes

What is a feat?

Zaraki insta kill him

Something what happens onscreen.Not a shame to ask what that is as Bleach dont has that.

Not necessarily tho.

So, if someone does something and it didn’t happen on screen, it’s not a feat?

Ziggy destroyed a planet offscreen. Not a feat?

I might actually make a thread about this, but as there are different types of statements (narrative, character etc) there are different types of feats🤣

I need not use the dictionary fallacy, but to invoke it:

You see that?

To link this to VS Battles, the definition of a feat is as follows:

An actual achievement by a character, requiring skill, strength or courage.

Therefore, if it has been confirmed to happen, it is a feat.

The Soul King creating planets is a feat. The Soul King stopping the destruction of worlds is a feat.

As is Toneri moving the moon, Toneri splitting the moon.

It doesn’t just apply to this though. There can be feats of range, IT has feats of planetary range, as does Yamamoto’s Bankai.

Now onto SAFYW.

Azashiro filling the Dangai with energy is a feat (technically an on panel feat) BUT Kenpachi and Azashiro being able to split the Dangai is a statement, because it didn’t actually happen.

Do you see the difference?

Bleach does have feats. What you’re asking for is a specific type of feat, a specific proof, which must not only be on panel, but on panel AND destructive. Which is an obvious fallacy and hypocritical

@ninjarizer:

I might actually make a thread about this, but as there are different types of statements (narrative, character etc) there are different types of feats🤣

Tag me for this, I'm interested to see you cook. 👨‍🍳👨‍🍳👨‍🍳🍳

You guys think we’re wanking, that’s okay.

The thing is, if we scale Naruto the exact way we scale Bleach (narrative analysis, statement verification, feat analysis, power system application)

It means the fight ends like this:

Because Kenpachi would scale above.

Infact, if we just use feats alone, no statements allowed, Kenpachi is still stronger because of SAFYW.

The only way Sasuke can be perceived as stronger is if we disregard all of Kenpachi’s feats and scaling, THEN scale Sasuke to Naruto.

@ninjarizer said:

@dertilt said:

@ninjarizer said:

@supreme101 said:

@rory2347 said:

@supreme101 sounds like your overrating the Naruto verse, I guess we can agree to disagree. I would be more than happy to agree with you if you were to give me valid reasons as to why Sasuke could even contend with people who are in the realm of soul kings level.

And? Soul King was only holding 3 planets together and nowhere is it stated Kenpachi scales to SK if there is I request scans Bleach verse depends heavily on statements while never having any feats. Sasuke has already shown relativity to Kaguya who creates entire dimensions.

What is a feat?

Something what happens onscreen.Not a shame to ask what that is as Bleach dont has that.

So, if someone does something and it didn’t happen on screen, it’s not a feat?

Ziggy destroyed a planet offscreen. Not a feat?

It happens on-screen.Wtf are you talking?

@ninjarizer said:

You guys think we’re wanking, that’s okay.

The thing is, if we scale Naruto the exact way we scale Bleach (narrative analysis, statement verification, feat analysis, power system application)

It means the fight ends like this:

Because Kenpachi would scale above.

Infact, if we just use feats alone, no statements allowed, Kenpachi is still stronger because of SAFYW.

The only way Sasuke can be perceived as stronger is if we disregard all of Kenpachi’s feats and scaling, THEN scale Sasuke to Naruto.

Slicing Gerard means jackshit to someone with such high durability as Sasuke.Its like you would hit a wall.0 damage at all for the wall

> The only way Sasuke can be perceived as stronger is if we disregard all of Kenpachi’s feats and scaling, THEN scale Sasuke to Naruto.

Only the opposite is true 😂

The opposite is:

The only way Kenpachi can be perceived as stronger is if we disgreard all of Sasuke’s feats and scaling, THEN scale Kenpachi to (Azashiro, SK)

Which is wrong, because if we give Sasuke his feats and scaling he still would be below OUR scale of Kenpachi in this case?

@dertilt said:

@ninjarizer said:

You guys think we’re wanking, that’s okay.

The thing is, if we scale Naruto the exact way we scale Bleach (narrative analysis, statement verification, feat analysis, power system application)

It means the fight ends like this:

Because Kenpachi would scale above.

Infact, if we just use feats alone, no statements allowed, Kenpachi is still stronger because of SAFYW.

The only way Sasuke can be perceived as stronger is if we disregard all of Kenpachi’s feats and scaling, THEN scale Sasuke to Naruto.

Slicing Gerard means jackshit to someone with such high durability as Sasuke.Its like you would hit a wall.0 damage at all for the wall

So you didn’t read did you?

You just skipped and decided to do exactly as I predicted in the last paragraph.

Understand something. You don’t scale Kenpachi. WE do. You don’t have the narrative knowledge nor the expertise to do so.

What you can do, is either accept or deny; you’re denying, and that’s okay.

According to our scale, Sasuke is one shot by Bankai Kenny.

@dertilt said:

@ninjarizer said:

@dertilt said:

@ninjarizer said:

@supreme101 said:

@rory2347 said:

@supreme101 sounds like your overrating the Naruto verse, I guess we can agree to disagree. I would be more than happy to agree with you if you were to give me valid reasons as to why Sasuke could even contend with people who are in the realm of soul kings level.

And? Soul King was only holding 3 planets together and nowhere is it stated Kenpachi scales to SK if there is I request scans Bleach verse depends heavily on statements while never having any feats. Sasuke has already shown relativity to Kaguya who creates entire dimensions.

What is a feat?

Something what happens onscreen.Not a shame to ask what that is as Bleach dont has that.

So, if someone does something and it didn’t happen on screen, it’s not a feat?

Ziggy destroyed a planet offscreen. Not a feat?

It happens on-screen.Wtf are you talking?

Show the planet being destroyed on panel.

Regardless of if you can, show me Muller doing this:

With Xenolith’s power.

Dude, this is YOUR parameters, your standards.

@ninjarizer said:

@dertilt said:

@ninjarizer said:

You guys think we’re wanking, that’s okay.

The thing is, if we scale Naruto the exact way we scale Bleach (narrative analysis, statement verification, feat analysis, power system application)

It means the fight ends like this:

Because Kenpachi would scale above.

Infact, if we just use feats alone, no statements allowed, Kenpachi is still stronger because of SAFYW.

The only way Sasuke can be perceived as stronger is if we disregard all of Kenpachi’s feats and scaling, THEN scale Sasuke to Naruto.

Slicing Gerard means jackshit to someone with such high durability as Sasuke.Its like you would hit a wall.0 damage at all for the wall

So you didn’t read did you?

You just skipped and decided to do exactly as I predicted in the last paragraph.

Understand something. You don’t scale Kenpachi. WE do. You don’t have the narrative knowledge nor the expertise to do so.

What you can do, is either accept or deny; you’re denying, and that’s okay.

According to our scale, Sasuke is one shot by Bankai Kenny.

What is this turbo cringe "WE"?Each member here knows you and the likes of Undre are a meme.

That does not count as a WE.

Most people here also supports that Sasuke waxes Kenpachi.

Which means,you’re denying, and that’s okay.

According to our scale, Sasuke one shots Kenny.

@ninjarizer said:

@dertilt said:

@ninjarizer said:

@dertilt said:

@ninjarizer said:

@supreme101 said:

@rory2347 said:

@supreme101 sounds like your overrating the Naruto verse, I guess we can agree to disagree. I would be more than happy to agree with you if you were to give me valid reasons as to why Sasuke could even contend with people who are in the realm of soul kings level.

And? Soul King was only holding 3 planets together and nowhere is it stated Kenpachi scales to SK if there is I request scans Bleach verse depends heavily on statements while never having any feats. Sasuke has already shown relativity to Kaguya who creates entire dimensions.

What is a feat?

Something what happens onscreen.Not a shame to ask what that is as Bleach dont has that.

So, if someone does something and it didn’t happen on screen, it’s not a feat?

Ziggy destroyed a planet offscreen. Not a feat?

It happens on-screen.Wtf are you talking?

Show the planet being destroyed on panel.

Regardless of if you can, show me Muller doing this:

With Xenolith’s power.

Dude, this is YOUR parameters, your standards.

You got damn posted the panel with destroyed Granbell...

And Müller by using Xenos power gets the benefit of doubt because Xeno already affected Foresta+the Water outside the Planet ON-SCREEN.

Bleach´s best on-screen feat is Yeewack lifting wandenreich.

@dertilt:

And Müller by using Xenos power gets the benefit of doubt because Xeno already affected Foresta+the Water outside the Planet ON-SCREEN.

Bro. We are REALLY not that far off.

We literally use the same logic. We use the same logic for Yhwach, the same for the Soul King. Same logic.

@dertilt:

You got damn posted the panel with destroyed Granbell...

That's the aftermath of the destruction, he wants the on panel feat of Ziggy destroying the planet.

Sasuke charges a Chidori, imbues it with Flame control, teleports it into Kenny’s face, and watches as his whole head burns out of existence.

/thread

Base Kenpachi stomps, anything above that is overkill

CFYOW Shikai Kenpachi is superior to even Ichibei.

the question is can sasuke even harm Base Kenpachi because i dont see it.

Ziggy on panel destroyed granbell.

Ziggy simply handwaves and the landscape and the planet starts get shattered with the planet lastly becoming a crumbling world. There is a reason the Eden Zero had to rescue and escape the planet the moment Ziggy destroyed granbell.

Also why TF is Eden zero even here. Are people so much salty that they need to drag to other threads in which it has nothing to do because it's characters can solo the their favourite verse.

@dertilt:

here knows you and the likes of Undre are a meme.

Who really has me as a meme though?🤣

Let’s be real here. We aren’t memes, we have arguments you don’t understand

That does not count as a WE.

Wanderez, King, Space, Darth, etc etc etc there isn’t a simple Bleach debater that has Kenny lower than planet level+

Ask any, you only think it’s a fringe opinion because currently I’m the loudest and I say it.

Undre thinks Kenpachi is low-multi (IIRC) and he can freely argue that if he wants because the evidence is there

Most people here also supports that Sasuke waxes Kenpachi.

Yes that’s okay, but I’m talking about the level that Kenpachi is. You think he’s not way above planet level, but you don’t scale Kenpachi, we do.

How can you properly scale Kenpachi when you don’t take everything into account?

If we wanted to wank Kenpachi we’d scale off the Blanka creating a star and destroying it just like VSB wiki.

Or we’d go with the universal scale.

We are being very nice here, and it is WE.

Which means,you’re denying, and that’s okay.

I can 100% scale Sasuke, not as well as others, but I know Naruto, all its feats, the relevant statements, and its power system well enough to apply the same scaling standards I use for Bleach.

In my opinion, Sasuke is planet level, and Kenpachi one shots characters of that level so Sasuke gets one shot through Susanoo

According to our scale, Sasuke one shots Kenny.

He one shots YOUR perception of Kenpachi, which is the uninformed perception.

Where do you scale Kenpachi and why?

What did Yhwach besides lifting wandenreich ever did?And lol at SK who stucked in a crystal while being able to do nothing

Yeah,like i said,you and your bleacher army

Not even wasting my time with Undres insane mental problems

You know what?

You win🙂

Todya is such a good day, I’m gonna say you’re right and concede