who's writing it?
"who's writing it? "if grant is then they win
"they win, the monitors are like the watchers of the multiverse, they control the comic realm from where they are lol they just wipe the celestials universe outTHIS IS EVERY CELESTIAL (including Scathan and Exitar) VS THE REAL MONITORS
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Monitors!
"Monitors! "
NRAMA: Nix wakes up on earth...are the other Monitors now part of the story as well?
GM: No. Monitor-Mind has worked through its own Ultimate Story and spared Nix Uotan to be its sole representative and interface with the Multiverse. I see Uotan’s ‘hyperhero’ role in the DCU as a cross between the Silver Surfer and Doctor Who (particularly the Earthbound Jon Pertwee iteration of the character).
Dunno if we're counting this, but didn't the fifth host of Celestials contain the goblin Force for a time being? I know it's AU, but it also took an omniversal being to fully erase the GF.
" @Lance Uppercut: are you talking about Havok from mutant X? he had multiversal power :) "Thanks for correcting me.
With Tiamut, Celestials will win for sure.
Celestials win, too many and too powerful.
" Seems to be pretty split....I'd need to hear some impressive Celestial feats to believe they could take out the Monitors. Nix Uotan is the Judge of all evil in the DC Multiverse, he clearly has immense multiversal power. "Odins power:
The Monitors are so massive and powerful that they do not exist on our plane of existence. The universes of the multiverse are insignificant to them, they consider life in the multiverse germs. I don't think that Odin or Zeus's power compares in the slightest to a monitor's. The God's blast would have wiped out a galaxy, a Monitor could wipe out a universe easily if they wanted to.
"The Monitors are so massive and powerful that they do not exist on our plane of existence. The universes of the multiverse are insignificant to them, they consider life in the multiverse germs. I don't think that Odin or Zeus's power compares in the slightest to a monitor's. "
"The Celestial Race takes this. But, it would be a decent fight. "they can't take on beings who view the multiverse as nothing more then a board game
" @Lunacyde said:Yes, well it's true, i mean these guys play chess with universes like they are nothing. i was simply pointing out the fallacy in comparing thier power to Zeus or Odin's however powerful as they are."The Monitors are so massive and powerful that they do not exist on our plane of existence. The universes of the multiverse are insignificant to them, they consider life in the multiverse germs. I don't think that Odin or Zeus's power compares in the slightest to a monitor's. "someones been reading some superman beyond it seems :P but your right the monitors are the people who keep the multiverse going, it's like chess to them they move and keep it from coming all aprt, thats what made mandrakk so ''omg wtf do we do'' "
" The Monitors are so massive and powerful that they do not exist on our plane of existence. The universes of the multiverse are insignificant to them, they consider life in the multiverse germs. I don't think that Odin or Zeus's power compares in the slightest to a monitor's. The God's blast would have wiped out a galaxy, a Monitor could wipe out a universe easily if they wanted to. "As the scans show, Odin or Zeus's power doesn't even compare AT ALL to the Celestials. Those scans are feats for a mediocre Celestial. Their combined powers weren't even noticeable to Arishem.
" @Lunacyde said:odins powers pales to a celestial yes but what do they have to show other then universal feats? all the monitors ARE a multiversal feat, they mapped an kept the multiverse itself in order for a daily job, they can't even be in the multiverse since they would be to massive in power, that book in superman beyond issue one that held every event from the DCU history, the monitors are the one who wrote everything down, the COIE anti-monitor, he was a monitor sent into DCU to destroy it, mandrakk, he was one of the most powerful who was sent in by the primal monitor to end all life in DCU to start over, get the idea of what there facing?" The Monitors are so massive and powerful that they do not exist on our plane of existence. The universes of the multiverse are insignificant to them, they consider life in the multiverse germs. I don't think that Odin or Zeus's power compares in the slightest to a monitor's. The God's blast would have wiped out a galaxy, a Monitor could wipe out a universe easily if they wanted to. "As the scans show, Odin or Zeus's power doesn't even compare AT ALL to the Celestials. Those scans are feats for a mediocre Celestial. Their combined powers weren't even noticeable to Arishem. In that battle, the Celesials took on all the gods of Asgard, Olympus and Nirvana and basically slaughtered them. And that was no where near their entire race. There was like 5 or 6 of them versus thousands upon thousands of gods. "
I know I asked for feats and you provided...I am just having a hard time gauging accurately their power level in comparison with the Monitors. The scans would have been useful if the opponent were comparable however it seems a little vague to me when IMO if the same God's tried to fight the monitors the Monitors would also wipe them out.
It's kinda like saying Carmelo Anthony is better than Dwayne Wade because he beat some no name high schooler in a game of 1 on 1 :)
" @High Revolutionary said:The Celestials are believed to have originally come from outside the Marvel Multiverse." @Lunacyde said:odins powers pales to a celestial yes but what do they have to show other then universal feats? all the monitors ARE a multiversal feat, they mapped an kept the multiverse itself in order for a daily job, they can't even be in the multiverse since they would be to massive in power, that book in superman beyond issue one that held every event from the DCU history, the monitors are the one who wrote everything down, the COIE anti-monitor, he was a monitor sent into DCU to destroy it, mandrakk, he was one of the most powerful who was sent in by the primal monitor to end all life in DCU to start over, get the idea of what there facing? "" The Monitors are so massive and powerful that they do not exist on our plane of existence. The universes of the multiverse are insignificant to them, they consider life in the multiverse germs. I don't think that Odin or Zeus's power compares in the slightest to a monitor's. The God's blast would have wiped out a galaxy, a Monitor could wipe out a universe easily if they wanted to. "As the scans show, Odin or Zeus's power doesn't even compare AT ALL to the Celestials. Those scans are feats for a mediocre Celestial. Their combined powers weren't even noticeable to Arishem. In that battle, the Celesials took on all the gods of Asgard, Olympus and Nirvana and basically slaughtered them. And that was no where near their entire race. There was like 5 or 6 of them versus thousands upon thousands of gods. "
" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:yet when reed went looking for the beyonder he found a universe full of them in the marvel multiverse, and when beyonder attacked them he said they act like they protect the universe and care, this means they are more or less only universal powerhouses, in the IG arc they were owned (as well as galactus and eternity) all who are only a universal beings (galactus maybe powerful but he is still no multiversal threat)" @High Revolutionary said:The Celestials are believed to have originally come from outside the Marvel Multiverse. "" @Lunacyde said:odins powers pales to a celestial yes but what do they have to show other then universal feats? all the monitors ARE a multiversal feat, they mapped an kept the multiverse itself in order for a daily job, they can't even be in the multiverse since they would be to massive in power, that book in superman beyond issue one that held every event from the DCU history, the monitors are the one who wrote everything down, the COIE anti-monitor, he was a monitor sent into DCU to destroy it, mandrakk, he was one of the most powerful who was sent in by the primal monitor to end all life in DCU to start over, get the idea of what there facing? "" The Monitors are so massive and powerful that they do not exist on our plane of existence. The universes of the multiverse are insignificant to them, they consider life in the multiverse germs. I don't think that Odin or Zeus's power compares in the slightest to a monitor's. The God's blast would have wiped out a galaxy, a Monitor could wipe out a universe easily if they wanted to. "As the scans show, Odin or Zeus's power doesn't even compare AT ALL to the Celestials. Those scans are feats for a mediocre Celestial. Their combined powers weren't even noticeable to Arishem. In that battle, the Celesials took on all the gods of Asgard, Olympus and Nirvana and basically slaughtered them. And that was no where near their entire race. There was like 5 or 6 of them versus thousands upon thousands of gods. "
" @High Revolutionary said:Well, I wish I could go into detail about the how and whys of the Celestials, but no body really knows why they care, or how they function (or the actual scale of their existence). It was once revealed that they served a being named Fulcrum who served as a multiversal being who essentially had the job of taking care of life and death on a massive scale. Some say he is the LT of a different multiverse, others say he was the personification of THOTU, and some firmly believe he is the TOAA (I don't accept this). Anyhoo, the point is no body knows." @DC_Marvel_1000 said:yet when reed went looking for the beyonder he found a universe full of them in the marvel multiverse, and when beyonder attacked them he said they act like they protect the universe and care, this means they are more or less only universal powerhouses, in the IG arc they were owned (as well as galactus and eternity) all who are only a universal beings (galactus maybe powerful but he is still no multiversal threat) "" @High Revolutionary said:The Celestials are believed to have originally come from outside the Marvel Multiverse. "" @Lunacyde said:odins powers pales to a celestial yes but what do they have to show other then universal feats? all the monitors ARE a multiversal feat, they mapped an kept the multiverse itself in order for a daily job, they can't even be in the multiverse since they would be to massive in power, that book in superman beyond issue one that held every event from the DCU history, the monitors are the one who wrote everything down, the COIE anti-monitor, he was a monitor sent into DCU to destroy it, mandrakk, he was one of the most powerful who was sent in by the primal monitor to end all life in DCU to start over, get the idea of what there facing? "" The Monitors are so massive and powerful that they do not exist on our plane of existence. The universes of the multiverse are insignificant to them, they consider life in the multiverse germs. I don't think that Odin or Zeus's power compares in the slightest to a monitor's. The God's blast would have wiped out a galaxy, a Monitor could wipe out a universe easily if they wanted to. "As the scans show, Odin or Zeus's power doesn't even compare AT ALL to the Celestials. Those scans are feats for a mediocre Celestial. Their combined powers weren't even noticeable to Arishem. In that battle, the Celesials took on all the gods of Asgard, Olympus and Nirvana and basically slaughtered them. And that was no where near their entire race. There was like 5 or 6 of them versus thousands upon thousands of gods. "
" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:to the monitors what thanos did was a small scale of power, he had no multiversal feats with the IG." @High Revolutionary said:Well, I wish I could go into detail about the how and whys of the Celestials, but no body really knows why they care, or how they function (or the actual scale of their existence). It was once revealed that they served a being named Fulcrum who served as a multiversal being who essentially had the job of taking care of life and death on a massive scale. Some say he is the LT of a different multiverse, others say he was the personification of THOTU, and some firmly believe he is the TOAA (I don't accept this). Anyhoo, the point is no body knows. BTW: I like how you make it sound as though Thanos with the IG was small scale power. Even with the glove, he just took out two celesitals. He was owning an entire universe without trying (he took out half the universes' population with a snap of his fingers). "" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:yet when reed went looking for the beyonder he found a universe full of them in the marvel multiverse, and when beyonder attacked them he said they act like they protect the universe and care, this means they are more or less only universal powerhouses, in the IG arc they were owned (as well as galactus and eternity) all who are only a universal beings (galactus maybe powerful but he is still no multiversal threat) "" @High Revolutionary said:The Celestials are believed to have originally come from outside the Marvel Multiverse. "" @Lunacyde said:odins powers pales to a celestial yes but what do they have to show other then universal feats? all the monitors ARE a multiversal feat, they mapped an kept the multiverse itself in order for a daily job, they can't even be in the multiverse since they would be to massive in power, that book in superman beyond issue one that held every event from the DCU history, the monitors are the one who wrote everything down, the COIE anti-monitor, he was a monitor sent into DCU to destroy it, mandrakk, he was one of the most powerful who was sent in by the primal monitor to end all life in DCU to start over, get the idea of what there facing? "" The Monitors are so massive and powerful that they do not exist on our plane of existence. The universes of the multiverse are insignificant to them, they consider life in the multiverse germs. I don't think that Odin or Zeus's power compares in the slightest to a monitor's. The God's blast would have wiped out a galaxy, a Monitor could wipe out a universe easily if they wanted to. "As the scans show, Odin or Zeus's power doesn't even compare AT ALL to the Celestials. Those scans are feats for a mediocre Celestial. Their combined powers weren't even noticeable to Arishem. In that battle, the Celesials took on all the gods of Asgard, Olympus and Nirvana and basically slaughtered them. And that was no where near their entire race. There was like 5 or 6 of them versus thousands upon thousands of gods. "
" @High Revolutionary said:You don't need to posses massive multiversal feats in order to be felt by a Monitor." @DC_Marvel_1000 said:to the monitors what thanos did was a small scale of power, he had no multiversal feats with the IG. "" @High Revolutionary said:Well, I wish I could go into detail about the how and whys of the Celestials, but no body really knows why they care, or how they function (or the actual scale of their existence). It was once revealed that they served a being named Fulcrum who served as a multiversal being who essentially had the job of taking care of life and death on a massive scale. Some say he is the LT of a different multiverse, others say he was the personification of THOTU, and some firmly believe he is the TOAA (I don't accept this). Anyhoo, the point is no body knows. BTW: I like how you make it sound as though Thanos with the IG was small scale power. Even with the glove, he just took out two celesitals. He was owning an entire universe without trying (he took out half the universes' population with a snap of his fingers). "" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:yet when reed went looking for the beyonder he found a universe full of them in the marvel multiverse, and when beyonder attacked them he said they act like they protect the universe and care, this means they are more or less only universal powerhouses, in the IG arc they were owned (as well as galactus and eternity) all who are only a universal beings (galactus maybe powerful but he is still no multiversal threat) "" @High Revolutionary said:The Celestials are believed to have originally come from outside the Marvel Multiverse. "" @Lunacyde said:odins powers pales to a celestial yes but what do they have to show other then universal feats? all the monitors ARE a multiversal feat, they mapped an kept the multiverse itself in order for a daily job, they can't even be in the multiverse since they would be to massive in power, that book in superman beyond issue one that held every event from the DCU history, the monitors are the one who wrote everything down, the COIE anti-monitor, he was a monitor sent into DCU to destroy it, mandrakk, he was one of the most powerful who was sent in by the primal monitor to end all life in DCU to start over, get the idea of what there facing? "" The Monitors are so massive and powerful that they do not exist on our plane of existence. The universes of the multiverse are insignificant to them, they consider life in the multiverse germs. I don't think that Odin or Zeus's power compares in the slightest to a monitor's. The God's blast would have wiped out a galaxy, a Monitor could wipe out a universe easily if they wanted to. "As the scans show, Odin or Zeus's power doesn't even compare AT ALL to the Celestials. Those scans are feats for a mediocre Celestial. Their combined powers weren't even noticeable to Arishem. In that battle, the Celesials took on all the gods of Asgard, Olympus and Nirvana and basically slaughtered them. And that was no where near their entire race. There was like 5 or 6 of them versus thousands upon thousands of gods. "
" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:thanos was not even a threat to the multiverse, since if he was LT would have stepped in and stopped in." @High Revolutionary said:You don't need to posses massive multiversal feats in order to be felt by a Monitor. "" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:to the monitors what thanos did was a small scale of power, he had no multiversal feats with the IG. "" @High Revolutionary said:Well, I wish I could go into detail about the how and whys of the Celestials, but no body really knows why they care, or how they function (or the actual scale of their existence). It was once revealed that they served a being named Fulcrum who served as a multiversal being who essentially had the job of taking care of life and death on a massive scale. Some say he is the LT of a different multiverse, others say he was the personification of THOTU, and some firmly believe he is the TOAA (I don't accept this). Anyhoo, the point is no body knows. BTW: I like how you make it sound as though Thanos with the IG was small scale power. Even with the glove, he just took out two celesitals. He was owning an entire universe without trying (he took out half the universes' population with a snap of his fingers). "" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:yet when reed went looking for the beyonder he found a universe full of them in the marvel multiverse, and when beyonder attacked them he said they act like they protect the universe and care, this means they are more or less only universal powerhouses, in the IG arc they were owned (as well as galactus and eternity) all who are only a universal beings (galactus maybe powerful but he is still no multiversal threat) "" @High Revolutionary said:The Celestials are believed to have originally come from outside the Marvel Multiverse. "" @Lunacyde said:odins powers pales to a celestial yes but what do they have to show other then universal feats? all the monitors ARE a multiversal feat, they mapped an kept the multiverse itself in order for a daily job, they can't even be in the multiverse since they would be to massive in power, that book in superman beyond issue one that held every event from the DCU history, the monitors are the one who wrote everything down, the COIE anti-monitor, he was a monitor sent into DCU to destroy it, mandrakk, he was one of the most powerful who was sent in by the primal monitor to end all life in DCU to start over, get the idea of what there facing? "" The Monitors are so massive and powerful that they do not exist on our plane of existence. The universes of the multiverse are insignificant to them, they consider life in the multiverse germs. I don't think that Odin or Zeus's power compares in the slightest to a monitor's. The God's blast would have wiped out a galaxy, a Monitor could wipe out a universe easily if they wanted to. "As the scans show, Odin or Zeus's power doesn't even compare AT ALL to the Celestials. Those scans are feats for a mediocre Celestial. Their combined powers weren't even noticeable to Arishem. In that battle, the Celesials took on all the gods of Asgard, Olympus and Nirvana and basically slaughtered them. And that was no where near their entire race. There was like 5 or 6 of them versus thousands upon thousands of gods. "
" @High Revolutionary said:Thanos wasn't a threat to the multiverse because he only wanted one universe. The LT clearly stated that the IG can in fact be used to cause multiversal damage. Don't make me grab the scans." @DC_Marvel_1000 said:thanos was not even a threat to the multiverse, since if he was LT would have stepped in and stopped in. "" @High Revolutionary said:You don't need to posses massive multiversal feats in order to be felt by a Monitor. "" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:to the monitors what thanos did was a small scale of power, he had no multiversal feats with the IG. "" @High Revolutionary said:Well, I wish I could go into detail about the how and whys of the Celestials, but no body really knows why they care, or how they function (or the actual scale of their existence). It was once revealed that they served a being named Fulcrum who served as a multiversal being who essentially had the job of taking care of life and death on a massive scale. Some say he is the LT of a different multiverse, others say he was the personification of THOTU, and some firmly believe he is the TOAA (I don't accept this). Anyhoo, the point is no body knows. BTW: I like how you make it sound as though Thanos with the IG was small scale power. Even with the glove, he just took out two celesitals. He was owning an entire universe without trying (he took out half the universes' population with a snap of his fingers). "" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:yet when reed went looking for the beyonder he found a universe full of them in the marvel multiverse, and when beyonder attacked them he said they act like they protect the universe and care, this means they are more or less only universal powerhouses, in the IG arc they were owned (as well as galactus and eternity) all who are only a universal beings (galactus maybe powerful but he is still no multiversal threat) "" @High Revolutionary said:The Celestials are believed to have originally come from outside the Marvel Multiverse. "" @Lunacyde said:odins powers pales to a celestial yes but what do they have to show other then universal feats? all the monitors ARE a multiversal feat, they mapped an kept the multiverse itself in order for a daily job, they can't even be in the multiverse since they would be to massive in power, that book in superman beyond issue one that held every event from the DCU history, the monitors are the one who wrote everything down, the COIE anti-monitor, he was a monitor sent into DCU to destroy it, mandrakk, he was one of the most powerful who was sent in by the primal monitor to end all life in DCU to start over, get the idea of what there facing? "" The Monitors are so massive and powerful that they do not exist on our plane of existence. The universes of the multiverse are insignificant to them, they consider life in the multiverse germs. I don't think that Odin or Zeus's power compares in the slightest to a monitor's. The God's blast would have wiped out a galaxy, a Monitor could wipe out a universe easily if they wanted to. "As the scans show, Odin or Zeus's power doesn't even compare AT ALL to the Celestials. Those scans are feats for a mediocre Celestial. Their combined powers weren't even noticeable to Arishem. In that battle, the Celesials took on all the gods of Asgard, Olympus and Nirvana and basically slaughtered them. And that was no where near their entire race. There was like 5 or 6 of them versus thousands upon thousands of gods. "
" Monitors have died, Celestials havent. "Not true. Celestial was killed by Thanos when he had the HoTU. Also, in an AU, members of the fifth host died while capturing the Goblin Force.
" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:i know the IG is multiversal but thanos never used it's powers on a multiversal scale, not matter his ideas behind it he still never did, so this means the people thanos beat were beat with only universal powers being used, the monitors would not even waste there time with that like LT" @High Revolutionary said:Thanos wasn't a threat to the multiverse because he only wanted one universe. The LT clearly stated that the IG can in fact be used to cause multiversal damage. Don't make me grab the scans. "" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:thanos was not even a threat to the multiverse, since if he was LT would have stepped in and stopped in. "" @High Revolutionary said:You don't need to posses massive multiversal feats in order to be felt by a Monitor. "" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:to the monitors what thanos did was a small scale of power, he had no multiversal feats with the IG. "" @High Revolutionary said:Well, I wish I could go into detail about the how and whys of the Celestials, but no body really knows why they care, or how they function (or the actual scale of their existence). It was once revealed that they served a being named Fulcrum who served as a multiversal being who essentially had the job of taking care of life and death on a massive scale. Some say he is the LT of a different multiverse, others say he was the personification of THOTU, and some firmly believe he is the TOAA (I don't accept this). Anyhoo, the point is no body knows. BTW: I like how you make it sound as though Thanos with the IG was small scale power. Even with the glove, he just took out two celesitals. He was owning an entire universe without trying (he took out half the universes' population with a snap of his fingers). "" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:yet when reed went looking for the beyonder he found a universe full of them in the marvel multiverse, and when beyonder attacked them he said they act like they protect the universe and care, this means they are more or less only universal powerhouses, in the IG arc they were owned (as well as galactus and eternity) all who are only a universal beings (galactus maybe powerful but he is still no multiversal threat) "" @High Revolutionary said:The Celestials are believed to have originally come from outside the Marvel Multiverse. "" @Lunacyde said:odins powers pales to a celestial yes but what do they have to show other then universal feats? all the monitors ARE a multiversal feat, they mapped an kept the multiverse itself in order for a daily job, they can't even be in the multiverse since they would be to massive in power, that book in superman beyond issue one that held every event from the DCU history, the monitors are the one who wrote everything down, the COIE anti-monitor, he was a monitor sent into DCU to destroy it, mandrakk, he was one of the most powerful who was sent in by the primal monitor to end all life in DCU to start over, get the idea of what there facing? "" The Monitors are so massive and powerful that they do not exist on our plane of existence. The universes of the multiverse are insignificant to them, they consider life in the multiverse germs. I don't think that Odin or Zeus's power compares in the slightest to a monitor's. The God's blast would have wiped out a galaxy, a Monitor could wipe out a universe easily if they wanted to. "As the scans show, Odin or Zeus's power doesn't even compare AT ALL to the Celestials. Those scans are feats for a mediocre Celestial. Their combined powers weren't even noticeable to Arishem. In that battle, the Celesials took on all the gods of Asgard, Olympus and Nirvana and basically slaughtered them. And that was no where near their entire race. There was like 5 or 6 of them versus thousands upon thousands of gods. "
" @ryanwh said:Not to mention the decapitated celestial which became knowhere." Monitors have died, Celestials havent. "Not true. Celestial was killed by Thanos when he had the HoTU. Also, in an AU, members of the fifth host died while capturing the Goblin Force. "
" @Lance Uppercut said:Must have been done by something of immense power too. Because even Celestials have stated that the only way they can stop one of their brethren is to put them to sleep." @ryanwh said:Not to mention the decapitated celestial which became knowhere. "" Monitors have died, Celestials havent. "Not true. Celestial was killed by Thanos when he had the HoTU. Also, in an AU, members of the fifth host died while capturing the Goblin Force. "
" @AtPhantom said:Yes well, no one is going to accusse the new Eternals series of being completely loyal to continuity" @Lance Uppercut said:Must have been done by something of immense power too. Because even Celestials have stated that the only way they can stop one of their brethren is to put them to sleep. "" @ryanwh said:Not to mention the decapitated celestial which became knowhere. "" Monitors have died, Celestials havent. "Not true. Celestial was killed by Thanos when he had the HoTU. Also, in an AU, members of the fifth host died while capturing the Goblin Force. "
" @Lance Uppercut said:True" @AtPhantom said:Yes well, no one is going to accusse the new Eternals series of being completely loyal to continuity "" @Lance Uppercut said:Must have been done by something of immense power too. Because even Celestials have stated that the only way they can stop one of their brethren is to put them to sleep. "" @ryanwh said:Not to mention the decapitated celestial which became knowhere. "" Monitors have died, Celestials havent. "Not true. Celestial was killed by Thanos when he had the HoTU. Also, in an AU, members of the fifth host died while capturing the Goblin Force. "
" @Lance Uppercut said:in all reality most comics branches other then main streams never keep to well to the rules laid down by the comics before it." @AtPhantom said:Yes well, no one is going to accusse the new Eternals series of being completely loyal to continuity "" @Lance Uppercut said:Must have been done by something of immense power too. Because even Celestials have stated that the only way they can stop one of their brethren is to put them to sleep. "" @ryanwh said:Not to mention the decapitated celestial which became knowhere. "" Monitors have died, Celestials havent. "Not true. Celestial was killed by Thanos when he had the HoTU. Also, in an AU, members of the fifth host died while capturing the Goblin Force. "
"thanos was not even a threat to the multiverse, since if he was LT would have stepped in and stopped in. "
" @High Revolutionary said:Wrong logic there. LT did step in, but chose not to interfere because Thanos was only supplanting Eternity with his own existence (survival of the fittest - one of the universe's most prominent laws) and was therefore not a cosmic imbalance." @DC_Marvel_1000 said:thanos was not even a threat to the multiverse, since if he was LT would have stepped in and stopped in. "" @High Revolutionary said:You don't need to posses massive multiversal feats in order to be felt by a Monitor. "" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:to the monitors what thanos did was a small scale of power, he had no multiversal feats with the IG. "" @High Revolutionary said:Well, I wish I could go into detail about the how and whys of the Celestials, but no body really knows why they care, or how they function (or the actual scale of their existence). It was once revealed that they served a being named Fulcrum who served as a multiversal being who essentially had the job of taking care of life and death on a massive scale. Some say he is the LT of a different multiverse, others say he was the personification of THOTU, and some firmly believe he is the TOAA (I don't accept this). Anyhoo, the point is no body knows. BTW: I like how you make it sound as though Thanos with the IG was small scale power. Even with the glove, he just took out two celesitals. He was owning an entire universe without trying (he took out half the universes' population with a snap of his fingers). "" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:yet when reed went looking for the beyonder he found a universe full of them in the marvel multiverse, and when beyonder attacked them he said they act like they protect the universe and care, this means they are more or less only universal powerhouses, in the IG arc they were owned (as well as galactus and eternity) all who are only a universal beings (galactus maybe powerful but he is still no multiversal threat) "" @High Revolutionary said:The Celestials are believed to have originally come from outside the Marvel Multiverse. "" @Lunacyde said:odins powers pales to a celestial yes but what do they have to show other then universal feats? all the monitors ARE a multiversal feat, they mapped an kept the multiverse itself in order for a daily job, they can't even be in the multiverse since they would be to massive in power, that book in superman beyond issue one that held every event from the DCU history, the monitors are the one who wrote everything down, the COIE anti-monitor, he was a monitor sent into DCU to destroy it, mandrakk, he was one of the most powerful who was sent in by the primal monitor to end all life in DCU to start over, get the idea of what there facing? "" The Monitors are so massive and powerful that they do not exist on our plane of existence. The universes of the multiverse are insignificant to them, they consider life in the multiverse germs. I don't think that Odin or Zeus's power compares in the slightest to a monitor's. The God's blast would have wiped out a galaxy, a Monitor could wipe out a universe easily if they wanted to. "As the scans show, Odin or Zeus's power doesn't even compare AT ALL to the Celestials. Those scans are feats for a mediocre Celestial. Their combined powers weren't even noticeable to Arishem. In that battle, the Celesials took on all the gods of Asgard, Olympus and Nirvana and basically slaughtered them. And that was no where near their entire race. There was like 5 or 6 of them versus thousands upon thousands of gods. "
" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:if thanos was effecting the multiverse and not just 616 then LT would have stepped in, the eternity in 616 was just the 616 eternity not the multiverse" @High Revolutionary said:Wrong logic there. LT did step in, but chose not to interfere because Thanos was only supplanting Eternity with his own existence (survival of the fittest - one of the universe's most prominent laws) and was therefore not a cosmic imbalance. Also, it has never been proven that LT could stop IG (while in unison) he only ever prevented the gems from working in unison once they were dismantled. "" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:thanos was not even a threat to the multiverse, since if he was LT would have stepped in and stopped in. "" @High Revolutionary said:You don't need to posses massive multiversal feats in order to be felt by a Monitor. "" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:to the monitors what thanos did was a small scale of power, he had no multiversal feats with the IG. "" @High Revolutionary said:Well, I wish I could go into detail about the how and whys of the Celestials, but no body really knows why they care, or how they function (or the actual scale of their existence). It was once revealed that they served a being named Fulcrum who served as a multiversal being who essentially had the job of taking care of life and death on a massive scale. Some say he is the LT of a different multiverse, others say he was the personification of THOTU, and some firmly believe he is the TOAA (I don't accept this). Anyhoo, the point is no body knows. BTW: I like how you make it sound as though Thanos with the IG was small scale power. Even with the glove, he just took out two celesitals. He was owning an entire universe without trying (he took out half the universes' population with a snap of his fingers). "" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:yet when reed went looking for the beyonder he found a universe full of them in the marvel multiverse, and when beyonder attacked them he said they act like they protect the universe and care, this means they are more or less only universal powerhouses, in the IG arc they were owned (as well as galactus and eternity) all who are only a universal beings (galactus maybe powerful but he is still no multiversal threat) "" @High Revolutionary said:The Celestials are believed to have originally come from outside the Marvel Multiverse. "" @Lunacyde said:odins powers pales to a celestial yes but what do they have to show other then universal feats? all the monitors ARE a multiversal feat, they mapped an kept the multiverse itself in order for a daily job, they can't even be in the multiverse since they would be to massive in power, that book in superman beyond issue one that held every event from the DCU history, the monitors are the one who wrote everything down, the COIE anti-monitor, he was a monitor sent into DCU to destroy it, mandrakk, he was one of the most powerful who was sent in by the primal monitor to end all life in DCU to start over, get the idea of what there facing? "" The Monitors are so massive and powerful that they do not exist on our plane of existence. The universes of the multiverse are insignificant to them, they consider life in the multiverse germs. I don't think that Odin or Zeus's power compares in the slightest to a monitor's. The God's blast would have wiped out a galaxy, a Monitor could wipe out a universe easily if they wanted to. "As the scans show, Odin or Zeus's power doesn't even compare AT ALL to the Celestials. Those scans are feats for a mediocre Celestial. Their combined powers weren't even noticeable to Arishem. In that battle, the Celesials took on all the gods of Asgard, Olympus and Nirvana and basically slaughtered them. And that was no where near their entire race. There was like 5 or 6 of them versus thousands upon thousands of gods. "
" @Tevnoba said:IG is a multiversal threat - there is only one set in the multiverse - not multiples, and it controls all aspects of Space, Time, Power, The Mind, The Soul, and Reality. I am not saying that Thanos was using it in that fashion, but with the Infinity Gauntlet someone can affect any diension or alternate rality they want. Thanos and Adam might never have used the gauntlet to to affect the multiverse, but that does not mean it could not." @DC_Marvel_1000 said:if thanos was effecting the multiverse and not just 616 then LT would have stepped in, the eternity in 616 was just the 616 eternity not the multiverse "" @High Revolutionary said:Wrong logic there. LT did step in, but chose not to interfere because Thanos was only supplanting Eternity with his own existence (survival of the fittest - one of the universe's most prominent laws) and was therefore not a cosmic imbalance. Also, it has never been proven that LT could stop IG (while in unison) he only ever prevented the gems from working in unison once they were dismantled. "" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:thanos was not even a threat to the multiverse, since if he was LT would have stepped in and stopped in. "" @High Revolutionary said:You don't need to posses massive multiversal feats in order to be felt by a Monitor. "" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:to the monitors what thanos did was a small scale of power, he had no multiversal feats with the IG. "" @High Revolutionary said:Well, I wish I could go into detail about the how and whys of the Celestials, but no body really knows why they care, or how they function (or the actual scale of their existence). It was once revealed that they served a being named Fulcrum who served as a multiversal being who essentially had the job of taking care of life and death on a massive scale. Some say he is the LT of a different multiverse, others say he was the personification of THOTU, and some firmly believe he is the TOAA (I don't accept this). Anyhoo, the point is no body knows. BTW: I like how you make it sound as though Thanos with the IG was small scale power. Even with the glove, he just took out two celesitals. He was owning an entire universe without trying (he took out half the universes' population with a snap of his fingers). "" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:yet when reed went looking for the beyonder he found a universe full of them in the marvel multiverse, and when beyonder attacked them he said they act like they protect the universe and care, this means they are more or less only universal powerhouses, in the IG arc they were owned (as well as galactus and eternity) all who are only a universal beings (galactus maybe powerful but he is still no multiversal threat) "" @High Revolutionary said:The Celestials are believed to have originally come from outside the Marvel Multiverse. "" @Lunacyde said:odins powers pales to a celestial yes but what do they have to show other then universal feats? all the monitors ARE a multiversal feat, they mapped an kept the multiverse itself in order for a daily job, they can't even be in the multiverse since they would be to massive in power, that book in superman beyond issue one that held every event from the DCU history, the monitors are the one who wrote everything down, the COIE anti-monitor, he was a monitor sent into DCU to destroy it, mandrakk, he was one of the most powerful who was sent in by the primal monitor to end all life in DCU to start over, get the idea of what there facing? "" The Monitors are so massive and powerful that they do not exist on our plane of existence. The universes of the multiverse are insignificant to them, they consider life in the multiverse germs. I don't think that Odin or Zeus's power compares in the slightest to a monitor's. The God's blast would have wiped out a galaxy, a Monitor could wipe out a universe easily if they wanted to. "As the scans show, Odin or Zeus's power doesn't even compare AT ALL to the Celestials. Those scans are feats for a mediocre Celestial. Their combined powers weren't even noticeable to Arishem. In that battle, the Celesials took on all the gods of Asgard, Olympus and Nirvana and basically slaughtered them. And that was no where near their entire race. There was like 5 or 6 of them versus thousands upon thousands of gods. "
" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:i know the IG itself is multiversal but that does not mean people can use it like that, almost all people who have had the IG have only universal feats to there name, thats why LT did not come in since thanos was not himself a threat to the multiverse," @Tevnoba said:IG is a multiversal threat - there is only one set in the multiverse - not multiples, and it controls all aspects of Space, Time, Power, The Mind, The Soul, and Reality. I am not saying that Thanos was using it in that fashion, but with the Infinity Gauntlet someone can affect any diension or alternate rality they want. Thanos and Adam might never have used the gauntlet to to affect the multiverse, but that does not mean it could not. Also, since it was implied by the Adam Warlock (w/IG) & LT (who is multiversal - as there is only one in the entire Marvel Actualtiy and he spans the entire multiverse simultaneously) that he was not sure if he could remove the gauntlet by force - I'd deduce that the IG is multiversal. "" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:if thanos was effecting the multiverse and not just 616 then LT would have stepped in, the eternity in 616 was just the 616 eternity not the multiverse "" @High Revolutionary said:Wrong logic there. LT did step in, but chose not to interfere because Thanos was only supplanting Eternity with his own existence (survival of the fittest - one of the universe's most prominent laws) and was therefore not a cosmic imbalance. Also, it has never been proven that LT could stop IG (while in unison) he only ever prevented the gems from working in unison once they were dismantled. "" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:thanos was not even a threat to the multiverse, since if he was LT would have stepped in and stopped in. "" @High Revolutionary said:You don't need to posses massive multiversal feats in order to be felt by a Monitor. "" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:to the monitors what thanos did was a small scale of power, he had no multiversal feats with the IG. "" @High Revolutionary said:Well, I wish I could go into detail about the how and whys of the Celestials, but no body really knows why they care, or how they function (or the actual scale of their existence). It was once revealed that they served a being named Fulcrum who served as a multiversal being who essentially had the job of taking care of life and death on a massive scale. Some say he is the LT of a different multiverse, others say he was the personification of THOTU, and some firmly believe he is the TOAA (I don't accept this). Anyhoo, the point is no body knows. BTW: I like how you make it sound as though Thanos with the IG was small scale power. Even with the glove, he just took out two celesitals. He was owning an entire universe without trying (he took out half the universes' population with a snap of his fingers). "" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:yet when reed went looking for the beyonder he found a universe full of them in the marvel multiverse, and when beyonder attacked them he said they act like they protect the universe and care, this means they are more or less only universal powerhouses, in the IG arc they were owned (as well as galactus and eternity) all who are only a universal beings (galactus maybe powerful but he is still no multiversal threat) "" @High Revolutionary said:The Celestials are believed to have originally come from outside the Marvel Multiverse. "" @Lunacyde said:odins powers pales to a celestial yes but what do they have to show other then universal feats? all the monitors ARE a multiversal feat, they mapped an kept the multiverse itself in order for a daily job, they can't even be in the multiverse since they would be to massive in power, that book in superman beyond issue one that held every event from the DCU history, the monitors are the one who wrote everything down, the COIE anti-monitor, he was a monitor sent into DCU to destroy it, mandrakk, he was one of the most powerful who was sent in by the primal monitor to end all life in DCU to start over, get the idea of what there facing? "" The Monitors are so massive and powerful that they do not exist on our plane of existence. The universes of the multiverse are insignificant to them, they consider life in the multiverse germs. I don't think that Odin or Zeus's power compares in the slightest to a monitor's. The God's blast would have wiped out a galaxy, a Monitor could wipe out a universe easily if they wanted to. "As the scans show, Odin or Zeus's power doesn't even compare AT ALL to the Celestials. Those scans are feats for a mediocre Celestial. Their combined powers weren't even noticeable to Arishem. In that battle, the Celesials took on all the gods of Asgard, Olympus and Nirvana and basically slaughtered them. And that was no where near their entire race. There was like 5 or 6 of them versus thousands upon thousands of gods. "
" @Tevnoba said:That is not why LT did not intervene. Read the series over again, it's because Thanos was exercising Survival of the Fittest." @DC_Marvel_1000 said:i know the IG itself is multiversal but that does not mean people can use it like that, almost all people who have had the IG have only universal feats to there name, thats why LT did not come in since thanos was not himself a threat to the multiverse, "" @Tevnoba said:IG is a multiversal threat - there is only one set in the multiverse - not multiples, and it controls all aspects of Space, Time, Power, The Mind, The Soul, and Reality. I am not saying that Thanos was using it in that fashion, but with the Infinity Gauntlet someone can affect any diension or alternate rality they want. Thanos and Adam might never have used the gauntlet to to affect the multiverse, but that does not mean it could not. Also, since it was implied by the Adam Warlock (w/IG) & LT (who is multiversal - as there is only one in the entire Marvel Actualtiy and he spans the entire multiverse simultaneously) that he was not sure if he could remove the gauntlet by force - I'd deduce that the IG is multiversal. "" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:if thanos was effecting the multiverse and not just 616 then LT would have stepped in, the eternity in 616 was just the 616 eternity not the multiverse "" @High Revolutionary said:Wrong logic there. LT did step in, but chose not to interfere because Thanos was only supplanting Eternity with his own existence (survival of the fittest - one of the universe's most prominent laws) and was therefore not a cosmic imbalance. Also, it has never been proven that LT could stop IG (while in unison) he only ever prevented the gems from working in unison once they were dismantled. "" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:thanos was not even a threat to the multiverse, since if he was LT would have stepped in and stopped in. "" @High Revolutionary said:You don't need to posses massive multiversal feats in order to be felt by a Monitor. "" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:to the monitors what thanos did was a small scale of power, he had no multiversal feats with the IG. "" @High Revolutionary said:Well, I wish I could go into detail about the how and whys of the Celestials, but no body really knows why they care, or how they function (or the actual scale of their existence). It was once revealed that they served a being named Fulcrum who served as a multiversal being who essentially had the job of taking care of life and death on a massive scale. Some say he is the LT of a different multiverse, others say he was the personification of THOTU, and some firmly believe he is the TOAA (I don't accept this). Anyhoo, the point is no body knows. BTW: I like how you make it sound as though Thanos with the IG was small scale power. Even with the glove, he just took out two celesitals. He was owning an entire universe without trying (he took out half the universes' population with a snap of his fingers). "" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:yet when reed went looking for the beyonder he found a universe full of them in the marvel multiverse, and when beyonder attacked them he said they act like they protect the universe and care, this means they are more or less only universal powerhouses, in the IG arc they were owned (as well as galactus and eternity) all who are only a universal beings (galactus maybe powerful but he is still no multiversal threat) "" @High Revolutionary said:The Celestials are believed to have originally come from outside the Marvel Multiverse. "" @Lunacyde said:odins powers pales to a celestial yes but what do they have to show other then universal feats? all the monitors ARE a multiversal feat, they mapped an kept the multiverse itself in order for a daily job, they can't even be in the multiverse since they would be to massive in power, that book in superman beyond issue one that held every event from the DCU history, the monitors are the one who wrote everything down, the COIE anti-monitor, he was a monitor sent into DCU to destroy it, mandrakk, he was one of the most powerful who was sent in by the primal monitor to end all life in DCU to start over, get the idea of what there facing? "" The Monitors are so massive and powerful that they do not exist on our plane of existence. The universes of the multiverse are insignificant to them, they consider life in the multiverse germs. I don't think that Odin or Zeus's power compares in the slightest to a monitor's. The God's blast would have wiped out a galaxy, a Monitor could wipe out a universe easily if they wanted to. "As the scans show, Odin or Zeus's power doesn't even compare AT ALL to the Celestials. Those scans are feats for a mediocre Celestial. Their combined powers weren't even noticeable to Arishem. In that battle, the Celesials took on all the gods of Asgard, Olympus and Nirvana and basically slaughtered them. And that was no where near their entire race. There was like 5 or 6 of them versus thousands upon thousands of gods. "
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