CCC Gilgamesh vs Emperor Joker

Without the use of Ea.

Location: Moon.

Both in character

Emperor Joker stomps

Gilgamesh overwhelms him with his stat advantage, Gate of Babylon spam, and omniscience.

Gilgamesh also works in a way higher dimension than DC does —which as far as I know, caps at 5-D.

Jesus lol

Normal Joker solos

Gilgamesh uses Black Barrel and put an end to the fight, he will also be all Joker will do and can do via SNI [Sha Naqba Imuru]! The Omniscient Omnipotent Star, "He Who Saw the Deep". It is the mentality of Gilgamesh, sublimated into a Noble Phantasm that "spread across all corners of the world as if the brilliance of the stars, seeing through all creation". It's a constantly active Noble Phantasm that acts as Clairvoyance and Precognition. It allows Gilgamesh to immediately know everything about you from a simple glance and it tells him the possibilities of the universe he is in, as well as of the parallel ones. He always knows the optimal path to victory and how to counter his opponent.

@arjunaalter: lol EJ stomps

Thing solos

Squirrel girl solos

No proof, even no counter arguments! I will not waste my time with you!

(You are free to think that Joker wins, of course, but it doesn't)

@gokuisthebest: agree, this Gilgamesh wanker are the worst.

@arjunaalter: lol show me gilg has multiversal feats then speak

@gokuisthebest: Especially when I see this 😭🤣

Please don't tell me anymore! (because you won't change your mind and neither will I. I don't want to wage a war of ideas)

@overvoid: yeah it is getting out of hand

@arjunaalter:lol it was a joke but still you can't prove it and show me gilg has multiversal feats then speak

@gokuisthebest:

Destroy the infinite marble reality (either multiverse, space or even dimensions that grow to infinity) of MoonCell which is 8d to 9D.

If it takes being multiversal to beat him, then even Tamamo as Amaterasu in Fate Grand Order will beat him.

In short, think what you want is not my problem!

@arjunaalter: I was talking about anime gilg but cc gilg would stomp luffy but EJ would stomp gilg because he scales to mxy and mxy can destroy multiverse easily

Stats mean nothing on the level of characters like Emperor Joker. Things like speed and strength mean nothing when you're dealing with people who can rewrite the laws of physics.

And Emperor Joker stomps, Gil has no feats to suggest he can resist hax on this level. CCC Gil is powerful but not that powerful.

For people who keep crying about 5-D, 8-D...we get it, you're hungry for the D, but until you show hard feats it means nothing.

@mcu-defender333: mxy can make a higher dimensional being into a lower-dimensional being

Yes a multiverse in maximum 5D since mxy is a being of the 5D of DC, moreover the higher dimensions deny the existence of those which are inferior to them in the Extraverse, I don't think that it functions in the same way in DC, moreover we must not forget that the magic no does not work on a Servant and that to destroy one definitively, it is necessary to erase his sister registered in the throne of heroes in Akasha Shiki which i is the supreme being, omnipotent without limit, above the Nasuverse, as explained in Knk (Kara no kyoukai anime films 5 and 8) which is impossible because she is a place and at the same time a being who uses the body of Ryougi Shiki as an avatar in her creation .

So imagine that it is in 8D, 9D or even 1000D, and that it is an attack that can destroy whatever it wants while ignoring all defenses, durability and hierarchy; it will only destroy a kind of avatar of Gilgamesh because it is recorded in and protected by a place and be almighty without limit (Akasha)!

And for Gil in fate Zreo and SN, he is still not avected by the non-magical and in spiritual form in being intangible and invisible to Luffy, and he can end his existence with EA and Enuma Elish as he does with the world of Iskandar in the Fate Zero anime, and for the Babylonia and Stranger Fake versions, it's not even worth thinking about the One Piece Couplet would have no chance of defending itself, nor of touching them.

F/zero/SN:

FGO:

True. LMFAO at the idea that Gil is almost equal to Mxyz.

@arjunaalter: Luffy could blitzs him and mxy is not a 5d he is a infinite dimsional being

@mcu-defender333: i know right

Lol, Gil CCC was not affected by the CCC, [Cursed Cutting Crater] Its output of information is like an ultra-precise 3D printer and crushes the present world with the world desired by the user. In addition to scattering all objects inside on an atomic level and reconstructing them, it is capable of writing over and rewriting information of fields such as luck and coincidence. While theoretical, it is also thought possible to distort the time axis by interfering with gravity fields and rewrite the law of cause and effect. When used in combat, BB’s familiars, the shapeshifters, engulf the target, and after turning into a sphere, is wiped out of existence along with the target and the dimension with it.

And Enuma Elish as described by Nasu can destroy everything, this is the oldest NP in creation, and EA that only Gil can use and described by Shirou in UBW as being the only weapon that does not exist, it is unique! He even killed BB with Enuma Elish when she had Domina Coronam: Ten Crowns, activated!

A skill on par with a Divine Authority. It has been said that the ten crowns indicates the ten evil kings and the seven hills indicate the abominable city of evil. It is unknown what kind of Authority it is, but that power's origin lies in a past that even the King of Heroes, who was supposed to be mankind's oldest, cannot reach. On a simple look, it is a Skill that turns received injuries and occurred events, that make all results as if "nothing happened". As a matter of fact, BB is invincible as long as she has this skill.

EJ just can't survive!

EJ turns Gil into a whoopie cushion.

/thread

I love myself some Gilgamesh but, how the fuck is comparable to mxy?

@arjunaalter: Mxy punched a writer gg

@mcu-defender333: lol

Proof and if this is the case given that Gil CCC and higher MoonCell at all points, and that Nasu did not give him a dimension limit, he still cannot survive EA and EE, even if he had enough to damage Gil CCC , he will not be able to destroy it definitively because it is impossible since each Servants, no matter which multiverse of the Nasuverse it is in, and registered in Akasha at the throne of the heroes, so he can return as many times as he want it. Even Fgo Gilgamesh in the anime FGO Babylonia It Was Destroyed on Purpose in EP 19 or 20 (I don't know too much anymore) changed his Caster class to Archer Class in the Throne of Heroes, and was re-summoned by it is own in the worlds of FGO Saingularity 7.

@arjunaalter: Who the fuck is akasha

Akasha is the supreme omnipotent and transcendent being of the Nasuverse (We learn more about her in the anime Kara no Kyoukai) she manifests to me through the body of Ryougi Shiki, and she is also a place outside of everything, spaces , time, concepts, where all the past, present, future, of the various multiverses of the Nasuverse are recorded, it contains the throne of the Heroes where all heroic spirits and divine spirits are recorded, copies of them can be summoned by mages , a grail or the like (even of own servants or by themselves like Gilgamesh in Babylonia) has different times in any worlds, because they are withdrawn from the reincarnation century and isolated outside everything.

(Servants = Divine Spirits and Heroic Spirits)

Akasha does not interfere in her creation because she is uninterested in everything and taking part with her omnipotence will make no sense. The only times she does something she takes an imperfect shape on purpose (as explained in the Grand Order game)

Akasha has always been there, long before she creates everything (creation) and will always be there after.

Norikata Emiya (Emiya Shirou's grandfather) wanted to speed up the time in his universe to come to an end to see the Root of all things (Akasha) which comes after the end of the world.

CCC Gil is explicitly weaker than real life Gil, this is stated directly. Likewise, his best feat (defeating Moon Cell BB) was replicated by Nameless and Arjuna, who peaks at Star Level as her power comes directly from the sun.

Star level is not enough to defeat EJ.

^ This guy is an official clown.

Don't listen to him at all, he's just low-balling because he's salty.

CCC Gilgamesh is not weaker than his his living counterpart. That is an outright lie.

His star level moon-cell is a fantasy he concocted based off this same scan where the moon-cell is referred to as omnipotent:

And the name of an attack being called 'Solar Flare Kick' by a character who outright clarifies that they are a multiversal threat when they are at full power:

The big difference between Nameless and Gilgamesh beating BB is firstly, Sakura/BB has a crush on EMIYA so she probably wouldn't go as hard as she'd go on someone like Gilgamesh. Plus, Gilgamesh actually one-shot her while Nameless had a very long fight in comparison with her. He also likely got erased by the moon-cell at the end or at least had to stay inside it with Hakuno for the rest of all time.

@deagonx: CCC Gilgamesh is 8 dimensions beings anything above is wank and anything below is Lowball

CAS one-shot

@deagonx: I don't think he ever played or seen a let's play on CCC, moreover at the end of CCC Gilgamesh told Hakuno that unlike other Servant with their Mythology Mystic Codes which boost their power; Gilgamesh's Genesis Mystic Code restores him to his original form and potency when he was alive, so your statement doesn't change a thing!

Plus you really didn't know the Nasuverse! A divine spirit like Amaterasu (who is the real Tamamo no mae) who is a sun goddess, is multiversal! (and this is Grand Order's Amaterasu which is much weaker than that of the Extraverse!

In addition you confused Extella with Extra CCC because Arjuna is not present in CCC lol.

Berf as LordBaller says, you better ignore Deagonx who doesn't know anything about the Nasuverse.

No. He's above the 8-D to 9-D range solidly as he still escaped the moon-cell's pocket multiverse into the actual universe which held its existence (which is bare minimum 81-D) and considering that he's still capable of going further, he'd be able to move into the superstructure that houses the universe that holds the moon-cell AKA the multiverse which would be a bare minimum of 729-D as it has to be that high in order to support so many lower layers of existence.

@lordballer

His star level moon-cell is a fantasy he concocted based off this same scan where the moon-cell is referred to as omnipotent:

The Star Level moon cell does not come from that scan, it comes from Moon Cell BB being defeated by Tamamo, but thank you for the scan! That is also good proof. Omnipotent isn't always literally, it can mean "very powerful" as we have seen in numerous scans from Marvel and DC. This is great evidence, so I thank you.

Guess who else is powered by a power sourrce equal to the sun? SUPERMAN lmfao.

Yes, and Superman never goes beyond planetary except in a few extraordinary occasions where he is usually amped.

And the name of an attack being called 'Solar Flare Kick' by a character who outright clarifies that they are a multiversal threat when they are at full power:

Feats >>>>>> Claims

@emiyaarcher

Joker is 5-D, while Gilgamesh is 9-D = Gil wins.

The 5th Dimension is not spatial. Likewise, none of the moon cell "dimensions" are spatial in the way you are trying to claim when wankers call CCC Gil 8-D.

The dimensions of the moon cell are not spatial.

@arjunaalter

Gilgamesh's Genesis Mystic Code restores him to his original form and potency when he was alive, so your statement doesn't change a thing!

This still leaves us with him scaling to regular Gilgamesh, which caps him star level at best either way. And star is generous, living Gil doesn't even have clear planetary feats.

Plus you really didn't know the Nasuverse! A divine spirit like Amaterasu (who is the real Tamamo no mae) who is a sun goddess, is multiversal! (and this is Grand Order's Amaterasu which is much weaker than that of the Extraverse!

Amaterasu is not multiversal or even universal.

In addition you confused Extella with Extra CCC because Arjuna is not present in CCC lol.

Correct, I meant Tamamo. Some claim Arjuna Alter is universal (he is not) and is often present amid the CCC Gil wank for that reason.

@lordballer

No. He's above the 8-D to 9-D range solidly as he still escaped the moon-cell's pocket multiverse into the actual universe which held its existence (which is bare minimum 81-D)

Once again, those dimensions are not spatial. They're just realms inside the moon cell's simulations.

@deagonx: Prove it, Professor Downplay.

Gilgamesh's Genesis Mystic Code restores him to his original form and potency when he was alive, so your statement doesn't change a thing!

This still leaves us with him scaling to regular Gilgamesh, which caps him star level at best either way. And star is generous, living Gil doesn't even have clear planetary feats.

Wrong on both accounts. He's a classless heroic spirit in CCC, indicating that he's no longer limited by the class system and is thus = > to his living self in power

Normal CCC Gilgamesh doesn't even scale to his regular living self either considering that at the end of the day, he's still a heroic spirit vs the version of himself that is not.

His mystic code is something else entirely. It's basically fully fusing him with his own myth; allowing him actually use the essence of his full power as the first and strongest heroic spirit (which is basically limitless).

Rin :: So the seal on the legendary mystic code has been broken, then. Gilgamesh is the only one who can see what was inside though, so I don’t what sort of thing it is.

Rani :: I can confirm that there is now a black box in the core of Gilgamesh’s virtual mind/body that was not previously present. This is likely the legendary mystic code. Now it should be possible to raise spirit-particle rank according to Gilgamesh’s will.

Also, keep trying to downplay Gilgamesh into being star level. It's cute.

*It scales above all other noble phantasm, including Cursed Cutting Crater (C. C. C.)

An attack on the world by BB in control of the Moon Cell.

Also called the spirit particle imaginary pit.

A world purge by means of event rewriting, making maximum use of the EX skill “Potnia Theron” BB had acquired.

The goddess who is the mother of the earth goddesses who created the earth is, in other words, the “root” that created all creation.

This Noble Phantasm is an anti-world Noble Phantasm that outputs information like an ultra-precise 3d printer and crushes the present world with the world desired by the user. (Moon-Cell BB's noble phantasm)*

*[hide] [v] Fate/Extra CCC - Gilgamesh matrix ... Even among the many noble phantasms possessed by servants, it is one considered to be at the top, the sword which "tore apart the world."*

*"Ea compresses the universe beyond limit." [F/SF novel/https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11141/111416812/7586212-edited_20200925_075356.jpg]*

*Fate/EXTRA CCC - Gilgamesh Matrix:*

*The god, Ea, is believed to be the quasi-deification of the power of the planet which turned, smashed, and stabilized the surface of the earth when it was still covered in gas and seas of magma, during the primordial stage of the earth.*

*Many gods began building nations after the the primordial earth was stabilized into a world where living creatures could live, but Ea is a god who performed the act of building of planets before that.*

*Its power being compared to the big bang [F/HA visual novel/ https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11140/111409778/7557875-20200908_123108_edited.jpg]

*Ea casually destroying a multiversal sized reality marble [ F/Extra Game/https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11140/111409813/7557276-tautreliablecaterpillar-size_restricted.gif]*

*Not to mention, it obliterating Tiamat is the equivalent of obliterating the entire universe as I don't know if you read the Enûma Eliš but her body was what the universe was crafted from. Her ribs being described as galaxies. [ Enûma Eliš/https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11141/111416812/7603083-edited_20201006_174639.jpg]*

Here are the actual descriptions of Enuma Elish btw:

*"Performing the miracle of genesis, something that reveals creation - the beginning of everything, the attack opens an abyss capable of crushing anything. The center of the storm is not calm, but rather a hole to hell itself that returns all that enters its realm to the nothingness from which it originated. The wind pressure creates a vacuum that takes all things with form, the land, the atmosphere, and the sky, into the whirling void. The tumult of genesis takes everything that was nothing more than chaos, which could not form any meaning, and creates a new truth that divides and distinguishes Heaven, Sea, and Earth. Within the darkness where everything is returned to nothingness, only Ea is left to shine with brilliance like a Star of Creation amidst the destruction, the first thing illuminating the new world."

"Sword of Rupture, Ea (乖離剣・エア, Kairi Ken - Ea?) is the most powerful Noble Phantasm contained in the Gate of Babylon and the pinnacle of all those used by Servants. Unlike all of his other nameless weapons that were able to be passed on to other wielders over the course of history, it is a sword only Gilgamesh possesses, a completely unique existence that can only be possessed by him, that is suited only for a ruler's use and makes him transcendent.

Borne of the winds drawn unto the revolution of the three cylinders of Ea, a spatial severence is formed by use of the Sword of Separation. Compressed and intertwined stratifications of wind become a virtual dislocation of space-time, annihilating any who would stand in opposition. Aside from holding an elimination rank "Armor Class" statistic of a sufficient magnitude to resist Purging, or enacting mutual negation via a counterattack that inflicts the same order of damage, the damage rendered cannot be defended against

Typing raw Japanese characters of "Reason of Creation" lore off of Fate/GO into Google translate:

英雄王が数多持つ財宝の最秘奥。

刀身部分の三つの石板はそれぞれ天・地・冥界を意味し、すなわち宇宙を表しているともいえ、その影響力は対峙する者の五体どころか世界そのものに及ぶ。

人という種が手にした最強最古の宝具である。

"The secret behind the treasures of the King of Heroes.

The three slabs of the blade represent the heavens, the earth, and the underworld, which represent the universe, but their influence extends to the world itself, not just the five opposing ones.

It is the strongest and oldest treasure possessed by the human species."

Much weaker characters are capable of creating forces equivalent to the big bang with the noble phantasms:

You're going to have to be more specific.

When I see this!🤣🤣😭🤣🤣

you really didn't know anything about it!

But above all [Correct, I meant Tamamo. Some claim Arjuna Alter is universal (she is not) and is often present amid the CCC Gil wank for that reason.]

Lol lol lol, Arjuna Alter is specific to Grand Order (in Cosmos in the lost belt 4) it never appears and will probably never appear in the Extraverse, then its NP destroys the world and recreates it, in its description c it is even specified that this signs the death of the universe!

Arjuna is a man, not a female lol, and the only Arjuna (and not Arjuna Alter LB4 from FGO) who is in the Extraverse is Arjuna, he is in Extella Link (and maybe Extella Umbral Star) but certainly not in CCC or even Extra 1.

You don't know anything about the Nasuverse, and one of your answers proves it more and more!

@arjunaalter: There's really no need to have half your comment be a quote from two replies ago.. You can just press "reply."

certainly not in CCC or even Extra 1.

I'm aware.

You don't know anything about the Nasuverse, and one of your answers proves it more and more!

Good ad hominem. I'm sure that will save you.

@deagonx: Don't even pay attention, what Deagonx is saying only shows he doesn't know anything.

And yet in one fell swoop I've debunked your laughable highballing. Kinda sad really.

🤣

@arjunaalter: Kinda sad that you aren't even able to come up with a coherent argument 🤣