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#1 Edited by APEX_pretador (19628 posts) - - Show Bio

The king of Asgard, the mighty one, the son of Odin, the god of sparkles, the lord of Thunder

MCU Thor

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Represented by none other than me, i.e. @apex_pretador

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The statue maker, the last kryptonian, the son of maartha, the shockwave maker, cav-el kent

DCEU Superman

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Represented by @blackpantherisb

Rules of the battle:

  • Morals on, in character
  • Standard gear - this includes Mjolnir, BOTH EYES and Asgardian armor for Thor, and suit for Superman
  • Feats from movies and tie-in comics allowed, provided they are canon
  • Thor is pre Infinity War - i.e. no feats from Infinity War are allowed
  • Superman gets no further power-ups and no regenerative healing from the sun/sunlight
  • Fight takes place on unpopulated earth

Rules for voting:

  • This is a debate between me and bpisb. Please do not interfere in the debate. You can ask to be tagged for votes or can ask to be tagged everytime one of us makes a post
    You can not post anything regarding the battle or the debate till it is over, i'e' both of us have made 3 posts and opened it for voting
  • After the debate is over, and the title shows "open for votes", you can vote. Remember that you do not vote for who should win according to you or according to the feats or logic, but you have to vote for the better debater, solely on the evidence provided. You have to see who presented their case better and made a convincing argument on how their character wins
  • Give reasons for your vote
  • If a vote is or looks biased, we will not count it

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#2 Edited by APEX_pretador (19628 posts) - - Show Bio

Let the biggest MCU/DCEU rivalry conclude at wrestlemania

@blackpantherisb You can go first. But before that, you should take a look at the OP to make sure everything is allright.

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#3 Posted by BladeOfFury (2901 posts) - - Show Bio

T4V please.

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#4 Posted by APEX_pretador (19628 posts) - - Show Bio
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#6 Posted by APEX_pretador (19628 posts) - - Show Bio
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#7 Edited by deactivated-5bdcbb8da1d15 (5093 posts) - - Show Bio

t4v

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#8 Posted by TheWatcherKing (18237 posts) - - Show Bio

Umm,t4v.

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#9 Posted by RampageTheFirst (7299 posts) - - Show Bio

T4V

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#10 Posted by DammeFavour (8282 posts) - - Show Bio

Is it really a rivalry? Anyway T4V

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#11 Posted by macleen (3257 posts) - - Show Bio

grrrr, T4V

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#13 Posted by Kevd4wg (12485 posts) - - Show Bio

T4V

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#14 Posted by deactivated-5ae4a3e17c71e (732 posts) - - Show Bio

T4V

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#15 Posted by Kayc (577 posts) - - Show Bio

T4v

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#17 Posted by blackpantherisb (6940 posts) - - Show Bio

@apex_pretador: Woah, dude, we didn’t agree on Thor have BOTH EYES, that’s a game changer.

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#19 Posted by RBT (27101 posts) - - Show Bio

T4V and after every post.

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#20 Posted by BladeOfFury (2901 posts) - - Show Bio

Statue-maker lol.

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#21 Posted by deactivated-5c8fd6cb3e4f4 (18365 posts) - - Show Bio
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#22 Posted by Itachus17 (3302 posts) - - Show Bio
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#23 Edited by APEX_pretador (19628 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackpantherisb said:

@apex_pretador: Woah, dude, we didn’t agree on Thor have BOTH EYES, that’s a game changer.

I can edit if you want. But again, Superman is also allowed his non-cgi lip

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#25 Posted by blackpantherisb (6940 posts) - - Show Bio

@apex_pretador: Dude, that’s a massive nerf, it wasn’t the motherbox that amped him, it was the lip force obviously.

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#26 Posted by APEX_pretador (19628 posts) - - Show Bio

@jsdoctor said:

T4V. Is speed equalised?

No

Superman doesn't need equalized speed anyways

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#27 Posted by Chad_Duby (5461 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow.

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#28 Posted by APEX_pretador (19628 posts) - - Show Bio
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#29 Posted by blackpantherisb (6940 posts) - - Show Bio
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#30 Posted by APEX_pretador (19628 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackpantherisb: Wait, i did get a tag now.

But still it's weird that I didn't get your laast three tags, the last one in CaV thread included

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#31 Edited by DarkPsychicLord_Prime (4039 posts) - - Show Bio

Good luck to both and T4V.

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#32 Posted by DrPepperMan (6288 posts) - - Show Bio

Tag after every post

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#33 Posted by EzraArcher (1159 posts) - - Show Bio

T4V good luck

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#34 Posted by deactivated-5ad4cb41c7fb8 (3527 posts) - - Show Bio

Tag after every post, and for voting please. Good luck to both of you gentlemen.

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#35 Posted by APEX_pretador (19628 posts) - - Show Bio
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#36 Posted by blackpantherisb (6940 posts) - - Show Bio
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#37 Posted by EmpressOfDread (12367 posts) - - Show Bio

t4v

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#38 Posted by TonyStark6999 (2234 posts) - - Show Bio

Tag me after every post and voting.

Good luck to both of you

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#39 Edited by blackpantherisb (6940 posts) - - Show Bio

DCEU Superman

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BIO

I doubt that this guy needs one to be frank, everyone knows exactly who he is.

Powers and Abilities

  • Superhuman Strength
  • Superhuman Durability
  • Superhuman Speed
  • Superhuman Stamina
  • Flight
  • Superhuman Senses
  • X-Ray Vision
  • Heat Vision
  • Super Breath/Freeze Breath

Strength

Striking

Superman absolutely has the striking power to do heavy damage to Thor, and if he goes all out he can put him down in only a couple of blows:

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Justice League

Superman can casually send Steppenwolf flying with his blows, with a single hit puts him clean through a huge concrete platform, and once again he launches Steppenwolf across a massive room and through a thick wall made of alien material. Obviously this is the lowest end of his feats.

Man of Steel
Man of Steel

With a bull rush Superman send Faora flying through a wall, then a garabage truck, across the street, clean through a building lot, and then out across the street again with fairly low difficulty. Again I'm keeping things on the low end.

Man of Steel
Man of Steel

Superman fairly casually bullrushes Zod clean through two building sized silos, and they were both totally destroyed. Thor won't no sell a building level+ speed blitzes, and yet this isn't even in the higher caliber of his feats.

Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice
Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice

He speedblitzes Doomsday down and smashes him into the ground, and it creates a massive shockwave, that covers dozens/hundreds of feet, potentially more since the shockwave covers the shot. This should suffice for now in terms of striking power, he certainly has the damage output to hurt Thor, moving on to raw physical strength.

Lifting

Frankly the difference between the two is so laughably massive that I think I will just put all of his best feats on the table. If they try to grapple Thor will be woefully decimated:

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One: Superman casually lifts a 100+ ton rocket above his head. This is already above anything that Thor has ever done. (Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice)

Two-five: In a very short time frame Superman manages to lift two large passenger train cars off the tracks and safely land them, a 200+ ton feat. (Warner Bros. Pictures Presents Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice #4)

Six: Back in his early days he supports the weight of a massive crane, and actually catches it out of the air, absorbing all of its momentum. Large cranes like this should be 500+ tons. (Man of Steel)

Yet all of these feats are on the low end, lets break into his best lifting feats:

Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice
Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice

He effortlessly drags a massive 6000+ ton ship clean through huge sheets of ice without even showing minor difficulty. But Supes can do more than just drag thousands of tons, its been confirmed that he can lift that weight overhead:

Batman V. Superman: Hero Handbook
Batman V. Superman: Hero Handbook

An official Batman v Superman handbook confirms that the man of steel can in fact lift thousands of tons and even crush diamonds in his hands, though we don't have to rely on a guidebook, he has the feats to support this notion as well:

Man of Steel
Man of Steel

He manages to catch Nam Ek's fist and match him in strength, even while at a massive disadvantage, this should prove that Superman>=Nam Ek in raw physical strength, making this arguably his best feat, since Nam Ek can toss 160 ton locomotives 1000s of feet. Which would obviously entail 10-15,000+ ton strength. The only reason I don't include this as his #1 strength feat is due to the fact that he has another, near equal, more quantifiable lifting feat:

Justice League
Justice League

Superman effortlessly carries a 10,000 ton building full of people above his head. In terms of raw physical strength there can't even be a comparison between Thor, who is at best a 50 tonner, and superman, a casual 10,000+ tonner. Moving on to the next section, another one where Superman has a massive advantage:

Speed

Reaction

Superman has a massive advantage in this category, he consistently reacts at a supersonic-hypersonic level. But lets start out at the lowest end possible, with some of his BvS feats:

Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice
Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice

Superman effortlessly catches a Kryptonite grenade after Batman shoots it. And these things are by no means slow. A high powered grenade launcher, such as the AGS-17 has a muzzle velocity of 185 m/s almost three quarters the speed of sound. Though sub sonic reaction is the absolute low end for the Man of Steel. Hell even the guidbook confirms that he is much faster:

Batman V. Superman: Hero Handbook
Batman V. Superman: Hero Handbook

The guidebook specifically states that he can move at FTE/supersonic speeds, but only that, but he can also react at those same speeds, but of course this must be supported by feats, and thankfully it is:

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Man of Steel

Superman gets shot at by an A10 Warthog, and as he tries to escape he accidentally flies into a bullet, sending him off course and through a house. However what I display in my seconds two scans is Superman reacting to/dodging a bullet from the A10 Warthog's gun, the GAU-Avenger, whose shots move at roughly mach 3. What makes this even more impressive is the fact that this was Superman's first real battle, and he has improved massively in all categories since then.

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Warner Bros. Pictures Presents Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice #3

Here we see the average Kryptonian male based on data taken from the battle of Metropolis (so Superman and Zod) casually catching missiles that move faster than the planes that shot it, which were very clearly Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptors. These are incredibly fast jets that move at 1,498 mph or roughly mach 2. So this means that the Kryptonian was catching missiles that were massively faster than mach 2. Obviously this feat applies to Superman considering the fact that he and Zod were roughly evenly matched, with Clark having a small advantage due to having spent more time on Earth. I've established that Superman>>Thor in reactions, but what about combat speed?

Combat

This is were Superman really shines, and where he frankly, downright humiliates Thor, the main factor in this battle will be the fact that Thor can't react to Superman's attacks, and the God of Thunder can't lay a hand on the Man of Steel:

General Mills Presents Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice #1
General Mills Presents Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice #1

While taking down some alien Superman easily flies around at FTE speeds avoiding their energy blasts, and ultimately speed blitzes the largest alien at insane speeds. But FTE speed in combat isn't a one time thing for Superman, in fact it's very consistent:

Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice
Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice

Blitzes a terrorist through multiple walls, all at FTE speed. But when Superman gets serious he doesn't just operate at FTE speeds, but he can even blitz down others who operate at a faster than eye sight caliber, take Faora for example:

Man of Steel
Man of Steel

When Clark gets serious about beating Faora down and starts to unlock some of his full potential about halfway through the Smallville fight he speed blitzes Faora before she can react, and earlier in the very same fight she had presented casual blur/FTE speed:

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Man of Steel

In the GIF we see Faora slide out the way of A10-Warthog fire very casually at FTE speeds, then I give a seven scan break down of every shot, and she is very clearly moving at blur/FTE speeds, to the point where in some of them you can only make out a vague blur, not even a humanoid outline, yet she still fails to react to Superman. Moving on to his FTS feats:

Man of Steel
Man of Steel

Speedblitzes Zod through dozens of I-beams, and just his taking off causes a shockwave, so clearly he was moving at supersonic speeds. I don't think that Thor has ever reacted to a person moving at such high speeds, but Clark still has much better feats than this:

Man of Steel
Man of Steel

Superman blitzes Faora many many times faster than the A10-Warthrog, which moves at about 440 mph, this is almost 2/3 the speed of sound, so Superman moving many many times faster than the jet should clearly be supersonic+, but he has even more clear cut/impressive feats than this:

Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice
Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice

In only one second Superman blitzes down from cloud level back to the ground in a single second and then speed blitzes Doomsday. And the lowest level of cloud level is 6500 feet, to be able to drops that distance in a single second would require a speed of Mach 5.776093, hypersonic.

Man of Steel
Man of Steel

We see Superman and Zod trading super sonic blows, not only throwing them, but also dodging them, if Superman attacks Thor like this he will get throughly blitzed, and Thor certainly won't be able to tag him if he uses his speed like that to dodge Thor's blows. Conclusion, Thor ain't tagging him, Clark is blitzing him.

Durability

Blunt Force

Superman will certainly be tanking all of Thor's blows and hits, I'll start out with some of his lower end showings:

Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice
Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice

Superman totally no sells Batman smashing into him with the batmoblie, and he isn't he budged in the slightest, and earlier in the very same car chase the Batmoblie was flipping trucks when colliding with them, obviously Clark has better feats:

Man of Steel
Man of Steel

Tanks a huge hit from Zod that sends him flying back dozens, potentially hundreds of feet, and he tanks no damage from this, Thor's blows don't consistently launch is opponents this far back, but Superman can tank even harder hits than this:

Man of Steel
Man of Steel

Tanks having the ceiling above him collapse on top of him, then goes flying down a block, smashes through multiple cars and then plows through the ground floor of a parking garage, he gets up a few seconds later with no visible damage.

Man of Steel
Man of Steel

Tanks a throw fro Faora that sends him across a block, through a building, across another block, into a bank, and then he slams down hard enough to heavily dent a bank vault, and denting that much solid metal is just insane, yet he once again takes no damage.

Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice
Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice

Doomsday smacks a Kryptonite weakened Superman at very high speeds thousands of feet away into the ground, and just like all of the other feats I've displayed, he takes no damage. Thor can't consistently put out this much damage with his strikes, so I'm fairly confident that it will take the God of Thunder a long time to put the hurt on Clark.

Energy

Superman certainly has the energy durability to tank all of Thor's lighting blasts, and easily no sell his lightning cloak with no difficulty or even minor damage:

Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice
Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice

Lex Luthor plants a bomb in the Capital Building, it goes off and decimates most of the building, and Superman is in the direct epicenter, and this is his reaction after the explosion went off: He totally and utterly no sells the explosion, and is only distraught because of the loss of life around him.

Man of Steel
Man of Steel

Superman no sells a building level explosion caused by a car sized ship slamming down at re-entry, he even manages to shield Lois from the impact with no damage at all. The only reason why this feat isn't at the top of my list is due to the fact that he wasn't at the heart of the explosion, or hit by the ship directly, but he can certainly withstand things of such a caliber:

Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice
Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice

Here Supes flies clean through two building level explosions at point blank, one from a hellfire missile that hit him directly in the face, and the other caused when he slammed into the large drop that fired the missile. What makes this so much more impressive is the fact that he didn't just no sell these building level+ blasts, but he wasn't even affected. He flew strait through them like nothing was happening, even though they both hit him right in the face. Thor's best energy projection feats aren't far above the level of these blasts, so I don't see his lighting having a large effect on Clark.

Conclusion

In my later post I will display his more impressive feats and get into other things, such as Heat Vision and Frost Breath, but even just using what I have now I think Superman has the advantage. He has the striking power to dish out some serious damage to Thor, the speed to blitz and dodge his attacks, and the durability to tank Thor's blows and his lighting blasts and attacks. In conclusion: Superman wins.

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#42 Posted by APEX_pretador (19628 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackpantherisb: Fun isn't something one considers while facing DCEU Superman, but this does put a smile on my face

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#43 Posted by HitTheAssasin (7864 posts) - - Show Bio

T4V.

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#44 Posted by deactivated-5c8fd6cb3e4f4 (18365 posts) - - Show Bio

wait this is Post-JL, I thought Supes wasn't allowed amps? Also

Fun isn't something one considers while facing DCEU Superman, but this does put a smile on my face

lol

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#45 Posted by blackpantherisb (6940 posts) - - Show Bio
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#46 Posted by Amendment50 (15147 posts) - - Show Bio

Meh t4v

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#47 Edited by APEX_pretador (19628 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackpantherisb: Will try to post before next sunday. Sorry for the wait

Should I add that this is pre-infinity war Thor? Because if he gets some feats in IW, people would lose their shit

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#48 Posted by CRUSHYOURENEMIES (2533 posts) - - Show Bio

how anyone can possibly conceive that thor can contend with Superman after JL is hilarious.

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#49 Posted by APEX_pretador (19628 posts) - - Show Bio
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#50 Posted by macleen (3257 posts) - - Show Bio

Tag after every post please