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#1 Posted by DrogozMain (85 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor:

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Superman:

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Rules:

  • Basic knowledge.
  • Most recent incarnations.
  • A win by any means necessary.
  • Battle takes place in a shared universe.
  • One opening statement, followed by two rebuttals and a closing statement.

Cav Rules:

  • Please refrain from posting your opinion on the match until it's done.
  • Ask to be tagged if you wished to be tagged for voting.
  • Don't vote on who you think is more powerful, but on who had the better arguments.
  • When giving your vote, give an explanation on why you think the person won.

@jashun

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Opening statement:

Thor: The God of Thunder
Thor: The God of Thunder

Thor:

Thor is the Asgardian God of Thunder and son of Odin. He is one of the founding members of the Avengers and has recently been portrayed as their most powerful comrade. He wields the mighty mallet Mjolnir, which was forged from the heart of a dying star. It is his most trusted weapon and is considered the most powerful one that the Avengers have in their arsenal. However, it has recently been stated that it was given to Thor as a means to unleash his true abilities, those of which will be used in this debate. A common misconception is that any D.C.E.U characters can easily defeat most Marvel Cinematic Universe characters, but this is wrong and based upon incomplete information. D.C.E.U characters most certainly have their limitations and are not as dominating as the community believes.

Weaponry:

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Mjolnir is Thor's weapon of choice, and it something that he has become accustomed to using. It is capable of lightning-based attacks and it always returns to him when it leaves his hand. Furthermore, Thor is capable of throwing it fast enough to fly, which is something that Wonder Woman is not capable of doing herself. There is already a massive advantage that Thor has that Wonder Woman does not. This mallet grants Thor the ability to use God-Blasts, which have been demonstrated to be capable of unleashing more force than Wonder Woman can tolerate, However, Mjolnir is not Thor's only means of attack. Recently, Thor has been able to channel lightning without Mjolnir, which will be a massive advantage for Thor. We'll delve into this later, but for now, let's continue.

Mjolnir is capable of traveling much quicker than even Superman can.
Mjolnir is capable of traveling much quicker than even Superman can.

Mjolnir:

Throughout Thor's depiction within the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Thor has been shown to be capable of some fairly impressive things. He's used his mallet to combat the likes of Frost Giant's, Iron Man, Malekith, Kurse and even the Hulk. Normally, Thor doesn't use Mjolnir to its most devastating capabilities, but because Thor has knowledge about what Superman is capable of, there is no doubt that he would do his best to defeat him. Below is a list of feats regarding Mjolnir's destructive force:

When Thor received his power back in the first film, Mjolnir covered a distance of 55 miles in only 19 seconds, which means that even from a low-end spectrum of its capabilities, it is capable of traveling at Mac 13. This speed doesn't even include the amount of time it took Mjolnir to travel 6,500 feet into the air and back down again, which means that its overall momentum in this one instance is much quicker. This means it was traveling at 24,000 Kilometers per hour.

The Flash is clocked at Mac 5.6, which means that Mjolnir travels faster than Superman can

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In this scene, Thor channels Mjolnir and it enters the exosphere and comes back down in under 3 seconds. This means that this feat is far more superior than the one listed above, which has already been shown to greatly surpass Superman's reaction time and travel capabilities. Using fan-based calculations, we can determine (on average) that Mjolnir traveled around Mac 5,000, which makes it many, many times quicker than Superman.

Travel Speed:

Even if Thor throws Mjolnir and hangs on, he is still capable of some fairly impressive speed feats. I've included two of his more impressive travel feats, one will demonstrate what he's capable of on average, and the other will demonstrate how fast he can go if he is seriously trying to defeat someone. Keep in mind that during the first film, Thor was more-or-less an arrogant warrior, but he's since matured and doesn't mess around during battles anymore.

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As you can see from the GIF above, the Warrior's three are located as far away as the edge of the horizon, which is how far the human eye can see because of the curvature of the Earth's surface. This has been shown to be around five Kilometers, and Thor was capable of crossing this distance in under eight seconds. This means that, even if he's jobbing, he can travel at Mac 1.8, or 2,250 kilometers-per-hour.

Thor and the Fujita scale:

Neo clocked in at over 6x the speed of an F3 Tornado,
Neo clocked in at over 6x the speed of an F3 Tornado,
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In Thor: The Dark World, Thor grew into a more matured warrior. And during Malekith's invasion of Earth, he demonstrated some of his higher-end feats. In the GIF to the side, he was traveling so quickly that the cars behind him toppled over. This was caused by the wind sucking up the cars behind him.

https://www.quora.com/What-wind-speed-is-needed-for-wind-to-move-a-stationary-car

Using the Fujita scale, we can determine that Thor produced winds equal to that of an F3 Tornado, much slower than what Neo is capable of but still impressive.

A counter to the to the feat above is that the portal that Thor and Malekith entered was what actually sucked in the cars. But this is wrong. The GIF above demonstrates that the sucking force of said portals are barely capable of pulling in a human, and would be far too weak to pull several cars in at once. It was the wind produced from Thor's travel-speed that produced such winds, not the portal itself, which was inconsequential to the feat in question.

Conclusion:

As we can see, Mjolnir always returns to Thor's hand whenever he wants it to, and it does so at speeds that far surpass Wonder Woman's capabilities (within the terminologies of travel-speed and reaction time). Mjolnir is actually hundreds, perhaps thousands, of times faster than Superman's greatest reaction feats. Which means that he would not be capable of reacting to an attack from Thor if he decided to defeat him in one blow. This means that it wouldn't be Superman who would blitz Thor at the start of the fight, but it would be the other way around.

Power:

However, that calls something else into question, 'would Mjolnir be powerful enough to defeat Superman in one blow?' To answer that, we need to look at some feats to demonstrate its capabilities.

Thor is capable of striking with enough force to produce shock-waves, which are certainly larger, and more powerful, than what even Doomsday or D.C.EU. Superman can produce. You can even compare them for yourself. Thor can produce more powerful attacks with Mjolnir than Superman or Zod can produce with their fists.

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Conclusion:

Thor has been stated to have the destructive force of a 30-Megaton Nuke, which isn't hyperbole because this was shown during Sakovia, and he has demonstrated that he most certainly has the striking force required to knock Superman out. However, this likely wouldn't happen because of the opening premise of my argument, which demonstrated how much faster Mjolnir is than Superman's reaction time. This brings us to one final consideration, 'does Thor posses the reaction time need to inflict damage on her?' Well, let's look into this:

Reaction Feats:

One of the largest misconceptions is that Thor does not possess the reaction time need to compete with Superman, or generally anybody from the D.C. Extended Universe. However, this is hugely incorrect. I'm going to demonstrate why Thor does have what is required to react to Superman, especially if he already knows what he is capable of. Before I begin, I would like you to remember when I covered Mjolnir's travel speed, Thor is capable of throwing his hand in the air and catch Mjolnir, even if it is traveling at speeds in excess of Mac 1, or even speeds nearing Mac 2.

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Captain America has:

  1. Dodged attacks from Asgardians.
  2. Blocked multiple attacks from different angles in Age of Ultron.
  3. Engaged Ultron in close-quarter combat

Yet, Thor has demonstrated that his reaction feats surpass that of an enhanced Super Soldier; one who has been able to fight off Spider-Man. Not only that, but Thor deflected multiple attacks that Captain America could not.

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But Thor's reaction feats do not end there, he has shown that he's capable of swinging his hammer, flying and blocking energy-based attacks mid-air, which is an extremely impressive.

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One of the most impressive reaction feats from Thor is during Age of Ultron. As you can see from the GIF above, Thor appears as a glow of energy because he is traveling so quickly. This is impressive because it demonstrates that Thor can react to his surroundings at speeds that are too fast for ordinary humans to see.

Wrap-Up:

The following contentions have been established:

  1. Mjolnir can out-pace Superman's combat speed and reaction time.
  2. Mjolnir possesses enough destructive force to one-shot him before he can react.
  3. Thor possesses the reaction time needed to get the best of him at the start of the fight.
  4. Thor would incapacitate him within the opening moments of the battle.
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Your turn @jashugan

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#3 Edited by jashugan (6061 posts) - - Show Bio

Who are you and why are you trying to force a CaV with me? You even misspelled my name in the OP.

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#4 Posted by DrogozMain (85 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashugan said:

Who are you and why are you trying to force a CaV with me?

You said that you already know that Superman would win. It should be easy for you to defeat me in a debate.

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#5 Posted by jashugan (6061 posts) - - Show Bio

@drogozmain: seriously, whose alt are you and where did you copy and paste that post from?

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#6 Edited by DrogozMain (85 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashugan said:

@drogozmain: seriously, whose alt are you and where did you copy and paste that post from?

It's my opening statement, which I made before challenging you. Are you going to step up and show the community that Superman wins? Or, now that you've seen what I can do, are you going to step down?

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#7 Edited by jashugan (6061 posts) - - Show Bio

@drogozmain: I didn't accept a CaV from you so I won't waste my time responding to it. I find it funny that you're a supposed new user that I've never engaged conversation with yet you sent me a private message calling me a bitch and forcing a CaV on me when I never accepted nor wanted one. Coincidentally, you have an entire post ready less than 3 minutes after posting the OP (your post is awful anyway) , misspelled my name in the OP, and are still trying to force this CaV to happen.

I would say that it's safe to assume you're someone's alt from a previous thread that got so butthurt from my posts that you want to make a CaV. I'll leave you to your devices and if you continue, I'll just have to show the messages you sent me.

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#8 Edited by DrogozMain (85 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashugan said:

@drogozmain: I didn't accept a CaV from you so I won't waste my time responding to it. I find it funny that you're a supposed new user that I've never engaged conversation with yet you sent me a private message calling me a bitch and forcing a CaV on me when I never accepted nor wanted one. Coincidentally, you have an entire post ready less than 3 minutes after posting the OP, misspelled my name in the OP, and are still trying to force this CaV to happen.

I would say that it's safe to assume you're someone's alt from a previous thread that got so butthurt from my posts that you want to make a CaV. I'll leave you to your devices and if you continue, I'll just have to show the messages you sent me.

By all means. Until then, don't treat your opinion as an absolute fact. Remember, there are always more intelligent people out there who can whoop you in a one-on-one debate.

I'll be keeping an eye on you.

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#9 Edited by jashugan (6061 posts) - - Show Bio

@drogozmain said:

By all means. Until then, don't treat your opinion as an absolute fact. Remember, there are always more intelligent people out there who can whoop you in a one-on-one debate.

I'll be keeping an eye on you.

LMAO, So you are admitting to being someone's alt that was so butthurt that you made a profile to force me to CaV you and still went with that when I said no because I said Superman would beat Thor?

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#10 Posted by DrogozMain (85 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashugan said:
@drogozmain said:

By all means. Until then, don't treat your opinion as an absolute fact. Remember, there are always more intelligent people out there who can whoop you in a one-on-one debate.

I'll be keeping an eye on you.

LMAO, So you are admitting to being someone's alt.

Of course. I'll be here forever. Regardless of what the mods do. I'll be following you, remember that. And when you grow a pair and decide to step up like a man, post your opening statement.

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#11 Posted by jashugan (6061 posts) - - Show Bio

Of course. I'll be here forever. Regardless of what the mods do. I'll be following you, remember that.

Don't you think that's really pathetic and childish?

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#12 Posted by DrogozMain (85 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashugan said:
@drogozmain said:

Of course. I'll be here forever. Regardless of what the mods do. I'll be following you, remember that.

Don't you think that's really pathetic and childish?

So are you for treating your opinion as an absolute fact and not respecting the ideas of other people, and, when challenged, you cower in a corner like a child you are. All talk no action.

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#13 Edited by jashugan (6061 posts) - - Show Bio

@drogozmain said:

So are you for treating your opinion as an absolute fact and not respecting the ideas of other people

You are someone that went out of their way to make another profile, send me hate mail, and tried to force a CaV on me after I turned it down and then made an awful post with poor arguments. Are you someone I or anyone should respect or even care for their opinion? You're not doing a very good job at it.

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#14 Posted by DrogozMain (85 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashugan said:
@drogozmain said:

So are you for treating your opinion as an absolute fact and not respecting the ideas of other people

You are someone that went out of their way to make another profile, send me hate mail, and tried to force a CaV on me after I turned it down and then made an awful post with poor arguments. Are you someone I or anyone should respect or even care for their opinion? You're not doing a very good job at it.

You're free to step up in a one-on-one debate and demonstrate how poor my arguments are.

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#15 Posted by jashugan (6061 posts) - - Show Bio

You're free to step up in a one-on-one debate and demonstrate how poor my arguments are.

not after all this stupid thing you've tried to pull

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#16 Posted by DrogozMain (85 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashugan said:
@drogozmain said:

You're free to step up in a one-on-one debate and demonstrate how poor my arguments are.

not after all this stupid thing you've tried to pull

You can't even use proper grammar. You're in over your head.

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#17 Posted by BruceRogers (16723 posts) - - Show Bio

Just...wow.

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@jashugan said:

@drogozmain: seriously, whose alt are you and where did you copy and paste that post from?

Pr0d1gy's. Also known as Yikesss, OdinSlayer and many other usernames, the guy 's a perma-banned troll who's been plaguing this site for more than a year.

It's not the first time he forcibly and pathetically dragged someone into a CaV as well.

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#20 Posted by Andromeda101 (1935 posts) - - Show Bio

Speaking of which...

@juiceboks @rogueshadow

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#21 Posted by blackpantherisb (6353 posts) - - Show Bio

Ahhhh, I remember this fellow, let’s get him banned ASAP.

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#22 Posted by Kevd4wg (10764 posts) - - Show Bio

Hope Jsahugan posts within 2 days or meltdown incoming

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#23 Posted by MarvelandDCfan24 (6458 posts) - - Show Bio

Catch this ban

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