CAV: The Sentry Vs Goku(VOTING OPEN!!!)

@superlightning123: @cptmerc:

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@king_stranglehold_da_first:

wh didn't yall close it?.... :(

goku teleports the sentry into the negative zone wear sentry gets weaker and then goku beats sentry

goku uses instaant transmission and telports sentry into the negative zone

has goku ever used instant transmission to teleport to different dimensions?

It's laughable because I don't know how Goku even knows what the Negative Zone is,and why he would even teleport Sentry there.

lol It's just laughable.

@twix_right_side: well since goku has not even had a day of education he would not think even think about the negative zone even with prep time he would just train he would not even bother to learn about sentry. But if were talking current goku he just goes super saiyan god but he would have to fully master it for it to be good. Oh and the negative zone is where sentry would be drained of his power cause in there he is his weakest

Well,King Stranglehold convinced me. I know the significance of the Negative Zone,but Goku knows nothing of it's significance or even existence.

I think the posts for Goku were more convincing IMO but Sentry doesn't look out of the game yet.

@eddie_killcide_poelking: @twix_right_side:

Goku can only teleport himself near living beings he knows (by sensing their energies I guess).

yes. he's gone from earth to heaven to upper heaven type places. all he needs to do is feel for the energy of the person he;s looking for and he can teleport there.

vote goes to goku

Oh my...a legit DBZ thread. Spooky.

I say sentry. PIS has never been kind to him though.

Sentry Turns Goku into Dust .

Sentry

Sentry slaps Goku

Note:|

The following calculations are continuity, meaning DB/DBZ are related. The fact that powers & abilities change according to the plot requirements as Toriama said in an interview is irrelevant. Logically someone can’t get weaker after training, not even for the sake of dramatic effects. Toriama is known for his bad memory/Lack of Accuracy/Lack of Continuity/Inconsistency. Kayo-Ken multiplications nor the Daizenshuu boost to keep things at a low end.

Power levels are relevant up to Cell’s Saga for the following reasons:

-1- When Trunks came to earth & killed Frieza, Goku’s SSJ1 form was stronger than on Namek. Trunks said he will use his full power with the sword vs Goku who stopped it easily with 1 finger, the same sword that killed a mecha Frieza who is stronger than on Namek.

-2- After training for 3years, Goku got stronger but due to his heart disease, his powers were diminished (DBZ Wiki 240 000 000, that’s 1,3 times when he returned to Earth). He should’ve been stronger than Vegeta (DBZ Wiki 270 000 000).

-3- Vegeta faced Android 18 (DBZ Wiki 320 000 000) who kicked his ass. When Piccolo fused with Kami, he was as strong as Android 17 (DBZ Wiki 360 000 000).

-4- Semi-Perfect Cell (DBZ Wiki 650 000 000) broke Piccolo’s neck like stick & heavily damaged Android 16 (DBZ wiki 400 000 000) yet Super Vegeta (DBZ Wiki 810 000 000 after training in the hyperbolic) completely outclassed him (He said this power increase tripled Vegeta’s power level: 270 000 000 x 3 = 810 000 000).

-5- Perfect Cell (Was stated in Daizenshuu to be over 900 000 000) overpowered everyone, even 3^rd grade SSJ1 Trunks/Mega Trunks who traded speed for power making his energy bigger than Cell’s.

-6- Goku (DBZ Wiki 880 000 000, Perfect SSJ1/Mastered it) went Toe to Toe & damaged Cell (Korin stated that Cell was stronger than Goku after showing half his power & shocking Vegeta who had the power level of 810 000 000).

-7- 880 000 000 (Perfect SSJ1) / 150 000 000 (Regular SSJ1) = 5,9 then we multiply x2 when transformed into a SSJ2 that’s how a SSJ2 = SSJ1 x 2.

-8-Every time a Saiyan reaches a new transformation, his base form also gets stronger meaning the base form of a Perfect SSJ1 is 880 000 000 / 50 = 17 600 000 not 3 000 000 which is that of a Regular SSJ1 150 000 000.

Solid Multiplications:

- From DB to DBZ: x 28 (8000 / 280).- From earth to Namek: x 22,5 (180 000 / 8000).

- Against Frieza: 16,7 (3 000 000 / 180 000).

- Regular SSJ1: Base Form x 50 (3 000 000 x 50).

- Perfect SSJ1: SSJ1 x 5,9 (880 000 000 / 150 000 000).|

- SSJ2: SSJ1 x 2 (880 000 000 x 2).

- SSJ3: SSJ2 x 4 (1 760 000 000 x 4).

- SJ4 (Non-Canon): SSJ3 x 10 or Base form x 4000.

Solid Assumptions:

- New Base for After becoming a SSJG:

In Resurrection of F/DB Super, Gohan was much weaker than in his Mythic Form (which is stronger than a SSJ3) in the Buu Saga, at best as powerful as a perfect SSJ1 (880 000 000). Frieza was in his original form when he almost killed him with single punch or energy beams, meaning his original form is at least as powerful as a SSJ2 (1 760 000 000).

In the Frieza saga, his 4^th form is 226 times stronger 1^st form (120 000 000 / 530 000):

Assuming the same multiplications still apply:

1 760 000 000 x 226 = 397 760 000 000 4^th form Power level Not Golden form.

Goku was toying with him at his base form yet let’s assume his power level was only 400 000 000 000.

400 000 000 000

(SSJGSS's Base Form) / 13 376 000 000 (SSJ3) = 29.9 times SSJ3.- SSGSS: SSJG x 50 (Assuming the same SSJ multiplications are applied).

-I- SPEED:

Lightning speed depends on the atmospheric pressure & many other factors. The leader (Starting point of a lightning) move up to 100km/s. The return stroke (Causing the visible flash) moves at 1/3 light speed = 98 349km/s so it’s fair to say he moved at 100 000km/s to avoid it:

- DB to DBZ: 100 000 x 28 = 2 800 000km/s (9 times faster than light speed).

- From Earth to Namek: 2 800 000 x 22,5 = 63 000 000km/s (210 times faster than light speed).

- Against Frieza: 63 000 000 x 16,7 = 1 052 100 000km/s (3509 times faster than light speed).

- Regular SSJ1: 1 052 100 000 x 50 = 52 605 000 000km/s (175 471 times faster than light speed).

- Perfect SSJ1: 52 605 000 000km/s x 5.9 = 310 369 500 000km/s (1 035 283 times faster than light speed).

- SSJ2: 310 369 500 000 x 2 = 620 739 000 000km/s (2 070 565 times faster than light speed).

- SSJ3: 620 739 000 000 x 4 = 2 482 956 000 000km/s (8 282 262 times faster than light speed).

- SSJ4 (Non-Canon): 2 482 956 000 000 x 10 = 24 829 560 000 000km/s (82 822 624 times faster than light speed).

Assumptions:

- SSJG’s Base Form: 2 482 956 000 000 x 29.9 = 74 240 384 400 000km/s (247 639 645 times faster than light speed).

- SSJGSS: 74 240 384 400 000 x 50 = 3 712 019 220 000 000km/s (12 381 982 241 times faster than light speed).

NOTE:

- There will be no calculations based on the fact the he moved faster than light speed at a young age since this is a low end.

- The snake way calculations are irrelevant, logically someone can't be fast then get slow after years of training specially with godlike people only cause the plot requires it for the sake of adding drama & tension.

- Goku can fight & fly at the same speed.

- Goku can use instant transmission which means he can move from A to B instantly or in a fight, the only speed faster than instant is Wrap Speed which probably i guess The Flash has, hes the fastest character in any verse or comic.

-II- Lifting/Pushing:

Around the age of 12 Goku pushed a huge rock (Google it). A boy that age is usually is around 1.5m:Most rocks have a specific gravity between 2.5 and 2.9. Therefore, a cubic meter of rock would weigh between 2,500 Kg (2.5 Tons) & 2,900 Kg (2.9 tons). 90% of the rocks found on the earth's surface would be in that range (Google it):

- Sandstone: 2.5 Tons.

- Granite: 2.7 Tons.

- Limestone: 2.65 Tons.

- Slate: 2.8 Tons.

- Rhyolite: 2.7 Tons.

- Basalt: 3.0 Tons.The rock he pushed is fairly around: 1.5 x 6 = 9 -- 9x9x9 = 729m3.

1. 15 Zeros: Quadrillion (000 000 000 000 000).

2. 18 Zeros: Quintillion (000 000 000 000 000 000).

3. 21 Zeros: Sextillion (000 000 000 000 000 000 000).

4. 24 Zeros: Septillion (000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000).

5. 27 Zeros: Octillion (000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000).

6. 30 Zeros: Nonillion (000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000).

7. 33 Zeros: Decillion (000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000).

- From DB to DBZ: 1822,5 x 28 = 51 030 Tons.

- Arrival to Namek: 51 030 x 22,5 = 1 148 175 Tons.

- Against Frieza: 1 148 175 x 16,7 = 19 174 522 Tons (Arguably the weight of the island sized rock Frieza threw).

- Regular time SSJ1: 19 174 522 x 50 = 958 726 100 Tons.

- Perfect SSJ1: 958 726 100 x 5,9 = 5 656 483 990 Tons (5 Billion Tons).

NOTE: Goku lifted in his base form on Old Kai’s planet (x10 Gravity) a Katchin Cube which is stated to be hardest metal in DBZ universe. Toriama stated that both our universes are identical, meaning this metal has the same mass as a neutron star.

A cubic cm of a neutron star is around 400 000 000 000 Tons:

https://plus.google.com/+PhilipPlait/posts/F9mpjfQj8dY

Goku is 5.9 Feet tall, the Katchin Cube was around Goku's lower rib cage (Google it) making it 3 Feet Tall & its Total Square Area = 27 cubic feet:

(1 yard )³ = 1³ yard³ = 1 yard³ = 1 cubic yard. 1 cubic yard = (1 yard)³ = (3 feet)³ = 3³ feet³ = 27 cubic feet.

1 Cubic Foot = 28 317 cubic cm.

28 317 x 27 = 764 559 cubic cm.

- Base Form: 400 000 000 000 x 764 559 = 305 823 600 000 000 000 Tons (305 Quadrillion Tons).

x10 the planet's gravity = 3 058 236 000 000 000 000 (3 Quintillion).

- SSJ3: 3 058 236 000 000 000 000 x 400 = 1 223 294 400 000 000 000 000 (1 Sextillion Tons).

- SSJ4: 1 223 294 400 000 000 000 000 x 10 = 12 232 944 000 000 000 000 000 (12 Sextillion Tons)

Assumptions:

- SSJG’s B.F: 1 223 294 400 000 000 000 000 x 29.9 = 36 576 502 560 000 000 000 000 (36 Sextillion Tons).

- SSJGSS: 36 576 502 560 000 000 000 000 x 50 = 1 828 825 128 000 000 000 000 000 (1 Septillion Tons).The fact that he lifted and struggled with 16 000 tons in his base form is also irrelevant since as i said above Inconsistency & variations depending on the plot's requirements and this is not the case, it’s a continuity.

Note:

-III- Durability:

Dr. Gero wanted to kill Goku so he created a bomb powerful enough to destroy the whole planet as stated in the Cell Saga. This bomb was meant for Goku when he was a teen not an adult. Back when Goku was a teen, his power level was about 280.

According to sciences, it takes 53 Quadrillion Megatons of TNT to destroy the Earth so the calculations are as follow:

- From DB to DBZ: 53 Quadrillion x 28 = 1 484 000 000 000 000 000 (1 Quintillion Megatons).

- From Earth to Namek: 1 484 000 000 000 000 000 x 22,5 = 33 390 000 000 000 000 000 (33 Quintillion Megatons).

- Against Frieza: 33 390 000 000 000 000 000 x 16,7 = 557 613 000 000 000 000 000 (557 Quintillion Megatons).

- Regular SSJ1: 557 613 000 000 000 000 000 x 50 = 27 880 650 000 000 000 000 000 (27 Sextillion Megatons).

- Perfect SSJ1: 27 880 650 000 000 000 000 000 x 5.9 = 164 495 835 000 000 000 000 000 (164 Sextillion Megatons).

- SSJ2: 164 495 835 000 000 000 000 000 x 2 = 328 991 670 000 000 000 000 000 (328 Sextillion Megatons).

- SSJ3: 328 991 670 000 000 000 000 000 x 4 = 1 315 966 680 000 000 000 000 000 (1 Septillion Megatons).

At this point, he can survive up to 24 829 560 Earth explosions.

- SSJ4 (Non-Canon): 1 315 966 680 000 000 000 000 000 x 10 = 13 159 666 800 000 000 000 000 000 (13 Septillion Megatons).

Assumptions:

- SSJG’s B.F: 1 315 966 680 000 000 000 000 000 x 29.9 = 39 347 403 732 000 000 000 000 000 (39 Septillion Megatons).

- SSGSS: 39 347 403 732 000 000 000 000 000 x 50 = 1 967 370 186 600 000 000 000 000 000 (1 Octillion Megatons).

At this point, he can survive up to 37 120 192 200 Earth explosions or waves that can destroy planets and the universe as stated byWis.

NOTE:

Aside from explosions, Saiyans can also breathe in space for the following reasons:

1. When Vegeta destroyed the bugs planet, he was standing in space with.

2. When Bardock was attacking Frieza, he was standing in space.

3. When Goku fought Beerus in the movie & DB Super, they were both in space.

Yet Akira Toriama forgot that, he made Beerus say that Vegeta can’t breathe in space which makes a contradiction thus the assumption that either Saiyan or Beerus know they have the ability to breath in space or the Toriama has no clue as to what space means making the fact that Saiyans can breathe in space valid.

-IV- Destructive Power:

Elite class Saiyans such as Goku & Vegeta are known to be planet busters. Vegeta destroyed an insect’s planet before coming to earth. In order to analyze how much destructive Ki power Goku has, we need to go back to the first world tournament in which his Master Roshi (P.L about 128) destroyed the moon with a Ki blast that by the way also move at light speed.

Moving forward to when Raditz arrived to earth, Piccolo also destroyed the moon with a Ki blast meaning Goku also can since he was at about the same/higher power level. When he came back from his training with King Kai, he was at the same power level as Vegeta meaning he can also destroy Earth size planets.

- From earth to Namek: 53 Quadrillion x 22,5 = 1 192 500 000 000 000 000 (1 Quintillion Megatons).

- Against Frieza: 1 192 500 000 000 000 000 x 16,7 = 19 914 750 000 000 000 000 (19 Quintillion Megatons).

- SSJ1: 19 914 750 000 000 000 000 Base Form x 50 = 995 737 500 000 000 000 000 (995 Quintillion Megatons).

- PSSJ1: 995 737 500 000 000 000 000 x 5,9 = 5 874 851 250 000 000 000 000 (5 Sextillion Megatons).

- SSJ2: 5 874 851 250 000 000 000 000 x 2 = 11 749 702 500 000 000 000 000 (11 Sextillion Megatons).

- SSJ3: 11 749 702 500 000 000 000 000 x 4 = 46 998 810 000 000 000 000 000 (46 Sextillion).

At this point he can destroy 8 86 770 times the Earth.

- SSJ4: 46 998 810 000 000 000 000 000 x 2,5 = 117 497 025 000 000 000 000 000 (117 Sextillion Megatons).

Assumptions:

- SSJG’s B.F: 46 998 810 000 000 000 000 000 x 29,9 = 1 405 264 419 000 000 000 000 000 (1Septillion).

- SSGSS: 1 405 264 419 000 000 000 000 000 x 50 = 70 263 220 950 000 000 000 000 000 (70 Septillion).

At this point he can destroy 13 25 721 150 times the Earth.

Toriama stated that Beerus can destroy universe, Goku was barely half as powerful as the God of Destruction, lets even say 25%, this means he can destroy 1/4 of the universe for example if there are 100 000 000 000 galaxies in our universe, he can destroy 25 000 000 000 and it doesn't matter if it was meant metaphorically or literally it’s still mind blowing so yea Your welcome & remember that Goku didn't master SSJ2 or SSJ3 or SSJG or SSJGSS like he did with SSJ1 so this means no matter how fast and powerful he gets, it’s not a surprise but as long as Toriama is behind the scenes, i wont surprised if we will ever see his full potential.

It’s hard to accept this logic and these calculations for someone who hates the character or the series, after all i know if i hated something i wouldn't accept it no matter how true it is but eventually haters are going to hate but the truth remain the same.

@alphaprime:

Goku has feats that put him above these unofficial calcs ... Use them like

Him out pacing his shockwaves which crossed the universe in seconds

Sending shockwaves that rippled through space time

Overpowering Beerus Nullification which nullified the destruction of the universe

Surviving Puches that could send ripples in Space

Surviving punches that could destroy planets

How he can teleport with little concentration

@theman44: You do realize that some people and haters are not willing to accept these simple calculation and logic i just wrote cause the truth is bitchy then how do u expect them to accept the facts u just wrote that are to them far more complicated?

@thebestofthebest: Keep your theories to yourself plz :P

Plasma can't create sentient beings (Gotenks creating ghosts)

Nice attempt though.

@alphaprime:

1) watch your language also against the rules

2) because some of these calculations are incorrect. By your calcs ssj3 can't destroy a solar system

You can contradicted yourself in your calculations stating that Goku was only able to destroy 13 billion Earths and then stating he could destroy 25% of the universe which is massively Larger

And then there is the fact you don't know how much stronger Goku became before he fought Frieza so whatever number you created at that point is completely Wrong

And let's go over the breathing is space part

1) Frieza said Goku couldn't survive in space

2) Goku and beerus fought in the Statusphere and most like So did bardock

3) The bug planet scene was a filler therefore non canon... Meaning it doesn't count

@theman44: 1st sorry for the expression.

2nd

2) because some of these calculations are incorrect. By your calcs SSJ3 can't destroy a solar system

You can contradicted yourself in your calculations stating that Goku was only able to destroy 13 billion Earths and then stating he could destroy 25% of the universe which is massively Larger:

Based on my calculations, this is LOW END calculation meaning the minimum not his max of his power, at SSJ3 destroying 8million times the earth is more than enough to destroy the solar system as for destroying at the very least 25% of the universe is at his SSJG or SSJGSS which is far beyond the level of a SSJ3. Also my calculation about how much more powerful a SSJG and SSJGSS than a SSJ3 are A LOW END assumption based on Resurrection of f and DB super.

So whatever calculations i made are very logical, simple and closest to understanding than any other person simply throwing numbers at random. I did my research over and over. Read what i wrote correctly when i say THIS IS A LOW END and an ASSUMPTION meaning that im not tending to exaggerate or look like a fanboy.

So yes my friend my calculations are correct, at least until SSJ4, that's on a bad day Goku is having and on the fact that Akira Toriama is INCONSISTENT and has no knowledge on facts or numbers.

@alphaprime: I'd like to point out the 9x light speed in The beginning of Drsgonball... They had no feats nor evidence PROOVING they could do that.

This might need locking @saren

@theman44: READ MAN READ:

Lightning speed depends on the atmospheric pressure & many other factors. The leader (Starting point of a lightning) move up to 100km/s. The return stroke (Causing the visible flash) moves at 1/3 light speed = 98 349km/s so it’s fair to say he moved at 100 000km/s to avoid it WHEN HE WAS TRAINING AT THE PALACE WITH MISTER POPO TO BECOME FASTER THAN LIGHTNING, BACK THEN ACCORDING TO DB WIKI HIS POWER LEVEL WAS SOMEWHAT 280 AND """AASSUUUUMING""" FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT HIS SPEED DIDN'T GET FASTER UNTIL HE CAME FROM KING KAI WHERE IS POWER WAS OVER 8000, THIS MEANS HE GOT 28 TIMES STRONGER 8000 / 280 = 280:

- DB to DBZ: 100 000 x 28 = 2 800 000km/s (9 times faster than light speed).

DO THE MATH BRO!!! THIS IS A LLOOOOWWWW ENNDIIIIING CAALCUUULAAATIOOOOON MEANING IN THE WORST CASE SCENARIO!!!

@alphaprime:

Ok believe what you wish but in all honest this reall to ant needed considering Ss3 and below is currently irrelavent

You do realize Dragonball vs Comics are banned right? Anyway Sentry wins due to his reality warping abilities, Mismatch.

People bumping long dead CAV’s not knowing the purpose of them and calling it a mismatch are always so hilarious.

What’s even more funny is that if anything this is a mismatch for Goku. But that’s a debate neither allowed outside of CAV’s nor one that sadly people would take seriously or be mature about for once.