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An important thing to understand about the history of superheroes is that they did not just spring out, fully formed, from nothingness. There were clear influences on the creation of every major superhero, and Superman was no exception. While the idea of super strength was a relatively novel one at the time, there were some notable precursors that directly influenced Jerry Siegel. The Edgar Rice Burroughs pulp fiction character, John Carter of Mars, gained superpowers when he traveled from Earth's atmosphere to Mars'. Phillip Wylie's novel, Gladiator, featured a baby who was born with super-strength.

Those were the influences when it came to fictional depictions of super-strength, but people have been fascinated with the idea of great feats of strength long before there were such things as pulp novels and comic strips. Circuses routinely featured so-called "strongmen," who would wear colorful costumes and ply their muscular trade to gasps from the attending audience. Superman's original costume, as designed by Joe Shuster, was clearly designed to look like a circus strongman. All of these influences combined to form the most important superhero in comic book history. So, as you can see, there is a long history of strength in pop culture, and with respect to Marvel's resident Hulk, Superman is really the strongest there is! Here, then, are his most impressive feats of strength from the comics!

20200 QUINTILLION TONS... ONE-HANDED

Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely's iconic masterpiece, All Star Superman, is, in general, a love letter to Superman's past, with Morrison coming up with new takes on lots of classic Superman stories. However, the framework of the story is based around the basic idea that Lex Luthor sabotaged a mission of Dr. Leo Quintum and his team from the D.N.A. P.R.O.J.E.C.T. (a variation on the classic Project Cadums) to the sun, knowing that when Superman entered the sun itself to save Quintum and his team of scientists, that the sun would overcharge Superman.

The process of over-charging Superman's cells is that he will ultimately die from being effectively poisoned by the very sun that gives him his strength in the first place.

The strange effects of the over-charging, however, is that Superman temporarily becomes more powerful than he ever was before he ultimately succumbs to the effects of the poisoning. So, for a while, Superman gained a new superpower with regularity. His strength also tripled, as Quintum notes here, he is easily lifting 200 Quintillion tons with just a single arm! He barely seems to even need to brace himself, as his strength is just off the charts. Sadly, Superman does die at the end of the series, as he merges with the sun to save it from exploding. Since we see the Superman from the future in the story, however, we know that he will eventually re-emerge from the sun some day.

19PUNCHING TIME AND SPACE ITSELF

At the end of Crisis on Infinite Earths, the various worlds of the Multiverse were combined together such that there was only a single Earth that the heroes from the various other worlds were merged into. So instead of there being an Earth-1 and an Earth-2, there was just one Earth with the characters from both worlds merged together. However, at the end of the story, a few distinct people survived in a sort of pocket universe. Those survivors were Superman and Lois Lane of Earth-2, Superboy of Earth Prime and Alexander Luthor, Jr of Earth-3.

As it turned out, they could monitor the combined Earth from their home/prison and they kept getting irritated that Earth was "wasting" the sacrifices that they made in saving this world for them. Superboy would get so angry that he would often punch the wall of the pocket dimension, which would alter reality in minor ways. For example, Jason Todd was dead, but Superboy punched the pocket dimension and suddenly, Jason Todd was alive. When they escaped from the pocket dimension to "fix" things, the Post-Crisis Superman fought Earth-2 Superman and their battle was so powerful that it caused many ripples in time and space itself.

18BENCH PRESSING THE EARTH (FOR FIVE DAYS)

One of the side effects of the creation of the New 52 was that the Wildstorm was merged into the DC Universe. Recently, DC walked that decision back and gave the Wildstorm characters their own universe again, but in the early days of the New 52, the DC heroes suddenly had to interact with Wildstorm heroes and villains. One of the major Wildstorm villains was Helspont, who was part of the Daemonite invasion of Earth that was the centerpiece of the early WildC.A.T.s comic books back in the early 1990s. Early in the New 52, Superman found himself matched up against Helspont and he was shocked to learn that the villain might be too much for him to handle!

Superman felt that he had to increase his power so, basically, he started to work out.

Therefore, in Superman #13 (by Scott Lobdell and Kenneth Rocafort), he went to go visit his friend, Dr. Shay Veritas, a scientist who specialized in superhuman research. So much of her work was theoretical until she finally met Superman and Supergirl and thus, some of the machines that she had built were given practical use for the first time. In any event, Superman felt that he had to increase his power to make him a stronger threat against villains like Helspont, so Veritas built, in effect, weight machines to help Superman get stronger. He hit his peak when he was able to bench press the equivalent of the Earth's weight for five days straight!

17MOVED THE SUN

During the Silver Age, one of the most amusing aspect of Superman's great feats of strength is just how seemingly mundane some of them were. What we mean is, Superman was so strong in this era that he would do some of the most amazing things ever and he would do them nonchalantly. One of these examples occurred in an amusing story in Superman's Pal, Jimmy Olsen #33 (by Otto Binder, Curt Swan and Ray Burnley), where Jimmy Olsen appeared on a popular TV game show. The show was watched live by over 60 million viewers. The category that Jimmy was answering had to do with mythological creatures.

As it turned out, lightning had struck a nuclear dump and created a special prism that was powered by the imagination of the viewers on the show. So when Jimmy gave an answer about one of those mythological creatures, the prism would turn them into physical beings. So Jimmy and the viewers made Jack Frost a reality. Superman had to stop Frost from starting a new Ice Age, so Superman simply flew into the sun and moved it closer to Earth, forcing Jack Frost to run away from the heat. Yes, to make Jack Frost run away, Superman moved the sun closer to Earth!

16HELD A BLACK HOLE IN HIS HANDS

In JLA #77, Rick Veitch, Daryl Banks and Wayne Faucher did a fill-in issue of the series that introduced a powerful new villain called Mnemon. Mnemon was an artificial being who was created by a scientist on a distant world who believed that the best thing about any given world is its memories, so he built a being who could collect the memories of the world. However, since he was built to value memories above everything else, Mnemon soon turned on his own creator and destroyed their world after collecting all of their memories.

Superman's body was almost torn apart while he held it together.

He would continue to do this to other planets until he encountered the Justice League. He fought against them by stealing the memories of how their powers worked or, in the case of Batman, his memories of how to speak. Firestorm thought that he had succeeded in destroying Mnemon, but he only unleashed Mnemon's power source, a miniature black hole! Superman used his hands to contain the black hole, but the force was insane, as Superman's body was almost torn apart while he held it together. Green Lantern enclosed his hands in a force field and they transported the black hole to a safe place in the galaxy to unleash it into a wormhole created by Green Lantern.

15CREATED A SUN

As we know, Superman's powers come from the fact that he lives on Earth. Back on Krypton, he would be an ordinary person. However, what has changed over the years is the reason why Superman gained powers from being on Earth. Currently, it is because of Earth's yellow sun that charges Superman like a solar battery, while the red sun of Krypton had no such effect on Kryptonians. Previously, though, the reason for the change was the difference in the atmosphere of Earth versus Krypton. In Superman #58 (by artists Wayne Boring and Stan Kaye), they played with that notion by having an Earth baby rocketed to a planet with a weaker atmosphere than Earth, so this little kid grew up to become Regor, the equivalent of Superman on the constantly cold planet Uuz!

Regor, though, was driven from his home by a new villain on Uuz who figured out a way of countering Regor's powers. He landed on Earth and met Superman. The Man of Steel agreed to train him to make him stronger and then return with him to Uuz. After they defeated the bad guys together, Superman then smashed some moons together and formed a sun to warm up their chilly planet!

14DRAGGED A GALAXY

Generally speaking, we are keeping our list to feats performed by Superman, but we have to make an exception for this one feat that Superman performed when he was younger. While we prefer not to use Superboy feats, the fact of the matter is that Superboy is Superman, just younger, so it really should count. In any event, this feat from Superboy #140 is especially amazing due to how it was presented in the story.

Talk about treating amazing feats like they were just commonplace!

The story (written by Jim Shooter and drawn by Al Plastino and George Klein) is about a gambler who begins an operation in Smallville where he creates threats and then has underworld figures bet on how Superboy will stop them. For example, will Superboy figure out which vial has a deadly contagion in it before the vials explode and engulf Smallville? Plus, of course, you could bet on which of the vials has the contagion in it. That doesn't sound like the sort of thing to involve a whole galaxy being moved, right? That's because it is just what Superboy is up to at the start of the issue while the gambler arrives. Yes, that's right, Superboy moving an entire galaxy of planets was just a throwaway bit at the opening of an otherwise unrelated story!

13DESTROYED A SUN

There is a certain trope called "Superdickery," which refers to the fact that Superman stories in the Silver Age were often designed so that it would seem like Superman is a total jerk, until the readers discovered that there is a very good reason for why he is doing what he is doing. These stories would result in striking covers that would practically dare readers to pass the issue over. "Why is Superman killing Aquaman and Jimmy Olsen? Why is he burning Batman at the stake?"

One of the most notable examples of this trend was Superman's Pal, Jimmy Olsen#33 (by Otto Binder, Curt Swan and Ray Burnley), which saw Superman decide to adopt Jimmy Olsen and then, abruptly, become so cruel to him that Jimmy asked a judge to void the adoption. Superman then explained to Jimmy that a computer had made the prediction that Superman would destroy his son, so he wanted to save Jimmy's life. Why he didn't tell Jimmy about this is a great question, but as it turned out, Superman misheard the computer. It was referencing his "sun," as Superman had recently created a sun for a solar system to help the planets there after their original sun died out. The new sun was malfunctioning, so Superman had to destroy it and replace it with a new one. Superman destroys and replaces suns like it is no big deal!

12DESTROYED A GALAXY WITH A SNEEZE

This list is generally about feats of sheer physical strength, but there are interesting areas of Superman's history where it is unclear, exactly, how you would classify a certain act. For instance, if Superman used his heat vision to tremendous effect, you wouldn't consider that a feat of strength. Similarly, when Superman flies so fast that he travels through time, that's amazing, but it's not really a feat of strength. Where, though, do you classify super-sneezes? We think that it is enough of a gray area that we couldn't bring ourselves to pass up one of the most shocking feats in Superman's history.

Even for the Silver Age Superman power level, this was crazy!

In Action Comics #273 (by Jerry Siegel and Al Plastino), Superman grows so sick of Mister Mxyzptlk's stunts that he decides to travel to Mxy's dimension and give the mischievous imp a taste of his own medicine by pulling a number of the same pranks that Mxy would play on Superman! The prank by Mxyzptlk that drove Superman to this drastic course of action was creating a bunch of super-powerful sneezing powder and so Superman had to unleash a super-sneeze. The Man of Steel knew that would be devastating, so he flew to a solar system that was uninhabited and then destroyed the entire solar system with a sneeze!

11DRAGGED THE CONTINENTS APART

The fascinating thing about Superman's feat in World's Finest Comics #208 (by Len Wein, Dick Dillin and Joe Giella, with a stunning Neal Adams cover that we used for the featured image for this entry) is how Superman was disappointed in himself over it! The issue opened with Superman noting that his vulnerability to magic was beginning to cause a problem for him, so he sought out some of his magic-using friends to see if they could make him invulnerable to magic. Zatanna could not do it, but she sent Superman to see Doctor Fate on Earth-2. Doctor Fate actually was willing to help him, but first he wanted Superman's help against a new group of villains.

These magical villains had begun to push the continents on Earth-2 together, with the idea that when the continents finished colliding, they would unleash a great power that the villains could absorb and make them omnipotent. Superman helped Doctor Fate stop them and then Fate gave Superman some magical chains to drag the continents back to their normal place. Here's the thing, though -- Superman had recently lost a sizeable chunk of his power as part of a quasi-reboot of the character when editor Julius Schwartz took over the Superman titles, sort of like how Schwartz had Batman change his costume when he took those titles over. So Superman was disappointed that he could "only" drag the planets around, as he was used to being able to move planets easily.

10MOVED THE EARTH

Superman #220 (by Jim Shooter, Curt Swan and George Roussos) was an odd comic book. Most of the issue involved Superman and Flash suffering from amnesia. Since they were wearing each other's costumes for some reason, they convinced themselves that they were each other. The Flash created a special Clark Kent mask to deal with the fact that Barry Allen obviously didn't look like Clark. Superman just remains in the Flash costume during the whole issue.

The seed was about to hit Earth when Superman smashed himself into the planet.

When they finally met up with each other, they slowly regained their memory. They had set off to stop an evil alien race that had shot a special giant seed that was going to land on Earth and quickly grow into a giant plant that would slowly destroy the planet. Superman came up with the costume switch idea because his costume could protect Flash in outer space (because it was indestructible). They were defeated by the aliens, who then gave them amnesia so that they couldn't try to stop them again. The seed was about to hit Earth when Superman smashed himself into the planet enough that he moved it out of the path of the seed, which instead landed in the sun and was destroyed!

9LIFTED WARWORLD

During the crossover event, Our Worlds at War, the whole universe was at risk when the dreaded Imperiex, a giant being with a powerful suit of armor, sought out the destruction of the universe itself because he saw a flaw in the universe that he wanted to fix by creating a new "big bang." He had to destroy Earth to do so, because Earth is apparently the center of the DC Universe following the events of Crisis on Infinite Earths. Imperiex would send powerful probes that would destroy whole worlds ahead of Imperiex's journey to Earth. In some instances, he would destroy entire galaxies in a similar way that he planned to destroy the universe.

Ultimately, the combined forces of Apokolips, Earth and Brainiac's gigantic Warworld managed to defeat Imperiex. Brainiac-13 then betrayed his allies and absorbed Imperiex's powers for himself. Superman could not let this stand. He had just been super-charged by a visit to the sun so Superman managed to somehow lift Warworld itself, a planet that dwarfed both Earth and Apokolips and sent it and Imperiex back in time to the original big bang. It was there that Imperiex realized that the flaw he saw was actually his own presence at the first big bang!

8BROKE GREEN LANTERN CONSTRUCTS

During the crossover "Sacrifice," we learned that Maxwell Lord had slowly been expanding his mental powers to the point where he was able to take control of Superman's mind. He would cause Superman to see hallucinations of Darkseid, Doomsday and other villains killing Lois Lane. This led to Superman being willing to use methods that he normally would never use, like lethal force. Lord finally unleashed his secret weapon when Batman was getting close to uncovering Lord's plans, so Superman nearly killed Batman. The only thing saving the Dark Knight was the Justice League's defense system realizing that Superman was a threat, so they attacked him long enough for the rest of the Justice League to show up and rescue Batman. Superman then turned on the rest of the League.

His strength was so much that he was able to break through John Stewart's force field easily!

Later, when DC's continuity was rebooted with the New 52, we saw the first meeting of Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) and Superman in Justice League #2 (by Geoff Johns, Jim Lee and Scott Williams) and Superman easily destroyed Hal Jordan's ring constructs, just as easily as he destroyed John Stewart's constructs earlier.

7MOVED THE EARTH (AGAIN)

After the power-draining villain, the Parasite, debuted, he tried to absorb all of Superman's powers. However, he learned that only a Kryptonian like Superman could handle those powers, so it overcharged him and he was defeated. When he attacked Superman in a story in Superman #320-322 (by Martin Pasko, Curt Swan and Frank Chiaramonte), Parasite came up with a clever way to defeat Superman. First, he made Superman think that his powers had increased to dramatic levels. He tricked Superman into artificially reducing his powers through a sort of "red sun cream" he put on his body. Superman thought that he was bringing himself back to his normal levels, but in reality he had dampened his powers to half of his normal levels.

With Superman's powers now reduced, Parasite safely absorbed most of them without it negatively affecting him. Superman almost died, but he survived and once he removed the cream, he was back to half his normal power level. He then used the sun to charge himself up. He was only at 75%, though, when Parasite launched a laser attack on Metropolis from outer space! Even at his reduced levels, Superman was able to move the Earth so that it was out of the beam of the satellite!

6THREW A GIANT APE THROUGH TIME!

During the 1950s, a common theme in the Superman titles was that they would introduce more and more "super" characters. There was Supergirl, Superman's dog Krypto, Supergirl's cat Streaky, Supergirl's horse Comet, and then, there was, of course, Titano the Super-Ape! Introduced in Superman #127 (by Otto Binder, Wayne Boring and Stan Kaye), Titano began life as Toto, a highly intelligent chimp who befriended Lois Lane. He was sent into outer space for an experiment but his capsule was exposed to strange radiation from a collision between two meteors.

When his capsule landed, Toto mutated into a giant super-ape, now dubbed Titano.

The major problem with Titano is that he somehow also developed the ability to shoot kryptonite rays out of his eyes, which meant that Superman couldn't even come close to him! The army planned to just kill him. However, Lois came up with a plan that tricked Titano into putting on lead-covered glasses. This allowed Superman to then throw him through time, back to the pre-historic era, where he could interact with dinosaurs. Yes, Superman is so strong that he can literally throw things threw time! He's also thrown Jimmy Olsen through time before, but that was less impressive than throwing a giant super-ape, we think you'll agree.

5DRAGGED MAGEDDON

Before Grant Morrison's JLA run began, there was first a miniseries by Mark Waid, Fabian Nicieza, Darick Robertson and Jeff Johnson that established why the "Big Seven" formed, as they were the only heroes to break free of a spell created by the villainous Know Man. It gave superpowers to a bunch of people on Earth while erasing their knowledge of any previous heroes. When they defeated Know Man, he mentioned that he was trying to prepare Earth against a future threat. That threat turned out to be Mageddon, a giant sentient machine of destruction that made the sun look like a tennis ball.

It had been behind the destruction of the Old Gods that predated the New Gods and it was now on its way to destroy Earth. It first poisoned people's minds ahead of its arrival, to make the populace weakened. It sort of broke Superman's mind, while at the same time, forcing him to move the chains that caused the long-dead cogs of Mageddon to move. So Superman helped move a machine that was many times larger than the sun. Later, Superman absorbed the anti-sun energy powering Mageddon and used it to destroy him, along with the people of Earth, who the Justice League had temporarily empowered, as they remembered Know Man's earlier strategy.

4FOUGHT HIS WAY THROUGH THE BIG BANG

Years before he helped re-define Lex Luthor as a villainous man of industry, Marv Wolfman had done the same basic idea with Vandal Savage in the pages of his Action Comics run. The immortal villain had positioned himself as a titan of industry and fought against Superman from being a boardroom, using public relations to sometimes turn the people of Metropolis against the Man of Steel. One of his plots involved using these mysterious power pyramids that had popped up around the Earth to trick the public into thinking that Superman was working against the Earth.

Superman fought his way through the big bang itself to fix time, itself!

Savage put a bunch of spores onto Superman that would spread throughout Metropolis, causing prehistoric plants to grow quickly and engulf the city, with Superman getting the blame. Superman figured it out and burned the spores away. They then learned that one of the power pyramids was loose in time, set at the big bang itself! It was wreaking havoc with time, so Rip Hunter took Superman back in time in Action Comics #553 (by Wolfman and artist Gil Kane) and Superman fought his way through the big bang itself to destroy the pyramid and fix time! Since we saw that the big bang could destroy Imperiex and Warworld, that was quite a feat!

3CREATED AN ECLIPSE

For many years, one of the most common types of Superman stories was about Lois Lane trying to prove that Clark Kent was secretly Superman. In Superman#110 (a story by a mystery writer with art by Ruben Moreira and Al Plastino), Superman learned that there was another person out there suffering from the same problem! You see, Superman had visited the town of Highville in the past and he dropped a note that he had written to himself and a local man named Hal had picked it up. People saw him with it and assumed that he was Superman.

Hal decided to add some chemicals to a volcano nearby that would shake the town enough to bring out those who lived there into the street. He assumed that they would all see Superman fly out to save the day and know that Hal was not Superman. However, the chemicals he used accidentally activated the volcano. Superman has to save the day, but Clark Kent and Lois Lane were in the town on assignment, so Superman had to also prove that Clark Kent isn't Superman. So Superman grabbed a man suffering from amnesia and put makeup on him to make him look like Clark Kent and then flew into outer space and threw a planet past Earth so that it would cause an eclipse precisely at the time that "Clark" would be outside and Superman was saving the volcano. As you can see, this was a weird and really confusing story.

2MOVED A PLANET (YET AGAIN)

In the early 1970s, college student Elliot Maggin got his first story published by DC Comics. He was given the chance to pitch other story ideas. If this failed, he probably wouldn't have a future at DC Comics. He had a few ideas of his own, but when having dinner with a family friend, he talked with their teenage son and the kid came up with a great idea. Maggin did his pitch and DC passed on all of his ideas. So he used the idea that the kid had suggested and they loved it. Maggin then went on to write for DC for the next decade. That kid? A young Jeph Loeb!

That story became "Must There Be a Superman?" from Superman #247 (art by Curt Swan and Murphy Anderson), which saw the Guardians causing Superman to question whether he was hurting the development of Earth by causing them to rely on him to solve their problems. People forget, though, how Superman got to that point in the story. You see, he had to stop a dangerous pod of spores despite it being next to a red sun. So he formed a planet to block it. He did all of this despite being weakened by the red sun! It was an amazing display of strength, which left him nearly dead when he finished. The Guardians rescued him and then made him question his role on Earth.

1BROKE HIGHFATHER'S STAFF OUT OF THE SOURCE WALL

An interesting addition to the Fourth World mythology that was not actually part of Jack Kirby's original stories was the idea of the Source Wall. Kirby had noted that there was a "final barrier" keeping us from the Source, the sort of supernatural unifying force of the universe (some people think George Lucas was inspired by the Source to create the Force). The actual wall was not introduced until Walter Simonson and Chris Claremont featured it in the Uncanny X-Men/New Teen Titanscrossover that they did together. In any event, the idea of the Source Wall is that anyone who tried to pass through it to get to the Source itself are trapped in the wall and cannot escape.

Superman managed to pull out the staff from a wall that had trapped old and new gods alike for generations!

In the Superman/Batman storyline, "Torment," by writer Alan Burnett and artists Dustin Nguyen and Derek Fridolfs, DeSaad helps free Darkseid from the Source Wall by first taking control of Superman's mind via a partnership with the Batman villain, Scarecrow, and his mind-altering drugs. DeSaad sent Superman to the Source Wall to free Highfather's staff from the Wall so that DeSaad could use it to free Darkseid.

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#3 Posted by Fanboy7mode (527 posts) - - Show Bio

Beerus

He can easily blow up planets by accident.

He's also blown up a planet by sneezing

Beerus also almost destroyed the Dragon Ball Macrocosm with a mere few punches (The Dragon Ball Macrocosm is composed of 3 Universe sized realms: The Mortal Realm, Heaven, Hell.) the attacks also cause multiple planets nearby to instantly shatter and become vaporized.

He did all of this while heavily suppressed. Considering how relevant Beerus stays even after obtaining UI we can safely assume Beerus used less than 1% of his power against SSG Goku during this fight. If Beerus can destroy a Macrocosm the size of 3 Universes while using less than 1% of his power Imagine what he could do at full power. Anywho that’s all I got for you for now.

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#4 Posted by Bigdadd (1088 posts) - - Show Bio

What is this?

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you don't do CAV like this, my guys.

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#6 Posted by BlackWizzard17 (1293 posts) - - Show Bio

T4V, TAEP, TAG AFTER IM DECEASED

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#7 Posted by ITACHI_IS_GAWD (556 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman sucks! Beerus one shots. No point in being tagged.

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#8 Posted by YungYonko (111 posts) - - Show Bio

This is what CV has turned into, huh.

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#10 Posted by Reap_ii (553 posts) - - Show Bio

I would like a rebate for this debate

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#11 Posted by panda_emperorix (4200 posts) - - Show Bio

T4V

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#12 Posted by Supermanfan1938 (1055 posts) - - Show Bio

Good enthusiasm but spamming a wall of text isn't a good idea.

This is what CV has turned into, huh.

CV has never been that great anyways

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#13 Posted by Thirdeev (234 posts) - - Show Bio

Holy Body of Text Batman!

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#14 Posted by Tony501 (714 posts) - - Show Bio

???? I’m changing faces as I roll this page anyway tag me on the please

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#15 Edited by FullMetalEmprah (5746 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok, the fact you're willing to CaV is great, but you guys have to offer more proof instead of just listing off things they've done. We judge who makes the better argument rather than who would actually win after all. Also CaVs tend to mention the versions of the characters being used as well as the people representing them.

Honestly I would look at some CaVs that are already completed to give you a good idea how most people conduct them. Just trying to help a bit because this is an interesting matchup. Good luck!

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lol.

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#17 Posted by Toratorn (8505 posts) - - Show Bio

That's not how CaV works, pal.

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#18 Posted by PanzerX (600 posts) - - Show Bio

Tag after every sentence.

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#19 Posted by FaradaySloth (12135 posts) - - Show Bio

Beerus stomps

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#20 Posted by ProfessorRespect (8746 posts) - - Show Bio

Nice job guys, following that scan limit very well

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Round 2

  1. Moved the Earth

In Superman #220, he suffers from amnesia and wears Flash’s costume most of the time while Flash wearing his, both convince each other that they were actually what they’re wearing. Flash even designs Clark Kent a mask and Superman reminds in the Flash costume the whole time.

In this issue, they step to fight an evil alien race which had shot a giant seed towards Earth, Superman smashes himself into the planet when the Seed is about to hit the Earth. This resulted in the seed to land on The Sun and getting destroyed.

  1. Lifted Warworld

During “Our Worlds at War” crossover, Imperiex who was a giant being with powerful armor decided to destroy the whole universe to fix a flaw he saw in the universe. Imperiex was known to destroy galaxies and he was defeated by the joined forces of Apokolips, Earth, and Warlord.

Warlord went on to betray his allies and fused Imperiex’s powers into himself. Superman couldn’t stand this and showed his strength by lifting Warlord, a planet bigger than Earth and Apokolips and sent it back in time.

  1. Broken Green Lantern Constructs

In the crossover, “Sacrifice” Maxwell Lord expanded his powers to take full control of Superman’s Mind. This made Superman behave berserkly and did things he normally wouldn’t do. He even nearly killed Batman when Batman was close to uncovering Maxwell’s plan.

The defense system of Justice League attacked Superman for long enough till the rest of the Justice League came up and rescued Batman. Superman’s strength was so much that he could even break through John Stewart’s force field and even destroyed Hal Jordan’s ring constructs.

  1. Moved the Earth (Again)

Parasite, who was known for draining his enemies’ powers tried to absorb Superman’s powers in one of the issues. This went opposite to the plan as he ended up overcharging Superman and got defeated. Parasite attacked again, this time cleverly making Superman think that his powers have increased to dramatic levels and then made his reduce those powers through a red sun cream that he had put on his body. Superman thought he’s getting his powers back to normal but actually, they were getting reduced.

Parasite absorbed most of these powers and Superman almost died but he survived and after he removed the cream off him and charged him back from Sun. He was almost at 75% when Parasite launched a laser attack on Metropolis from outer space, Superman moved the Earth so that the target gets out of the beam of a satellite.

  1. Threw a Giant Ape Through Time

DC introduced a lot of super animal characters during the 1950’s like Supergirl and her dog Krypto, cat Streaky, horse Comet and then there was a super ape, Titano. Titano was a highly intelligent ape who was originally known as Toto. He befriended Lois Lane. He was sent to outer space for an experiment but mutated into a giant super ape due to a strange radiation.

He could now shoot radiations out of his eyes which meant that Superman couldn’t come close to him. While the army pledged to kill him, Lois Lane protected him by tricking him into a lead-covered glass and Superman threw him through time back to the prehistoric era where he could interact with dinosaurs. Some impressive strengts of Superman, you see.

  1. Dragged Mageddon

Before the advent of JLA, a miniseries was run where a team of “Big Seven” was formed as they were the only heroes to break free through the spell cast by Know Man. This gave superpowers to normal human beings while erasing their knowledge about the existence of other heroes on Earth. They defeated Know Man and prepared themselves for a threat named Mageddon, which was a giant sentient machine. Mageddon could even make the Sun look like a small tennis ball.

This huge machine was on its way to destroy Earth by initially poisoning its inhabitants’ minds and make them weak. Superman moved this machine which was many times bigger than the Earth and later absorbed the anti-Sun energy which was the source of power for Mageddon and thereby destroying it.

  1. Fought his way through the Big Bang

Before Lex Luther, Marv Wolfman had been another immortal villain who had positioned himself as a Titan of industry and fought against Superman. He even turned the people of Metropolis against Superman and even popped a pyramid out of the Earth’s surface tricking the people to believe that Superman is behind this.

One of the power pyramids was loose in time and was set during the Big Bang itself. Rip Hunter took Superman in the past and he fought his way through the Big Bang to destroy the pyramid and fix the timeline.

  1. Created an eclipse

In the past, many storylines were about Lois Lane proving that Clark Kent is Superman. In Superman #110, he learns that he’s not the only one suffering from the same problem. He thereby travels to Highville and dropped a note he had written to himself and a local man named Hal had picked it up while people who saw him with it, believed that he is Superman.

Now, Hal was notorious and he decided to add some chemicals to a nearby volcano that would eventually shake the town. He assumed that Superman would save them and this will prove that he is not Superman. The chemicals he used activated the volcano and Superman has to save the day. But the problem was that Kent and Lois Lane were in town for an assignment and Superman had to prove to Lois Lane that he isn’t Superman. So he grabbed a man with amnesia and put some makeup on him and made him look like Clark Kent. He flew into outer space and threw a planet past Earth, causing an eclipse exactly at the time when “Clark Kent” was with Lois Lane. Weird, isn’t it?

  1. Moved yet another planet

This story is known as “Must There Be A Superman” from #247 Superman. In this issue, we see the Guardians questioning the Superman is he was hurting the Earth’s development by making them rely on him. Superman once saved the Earth from a dangerous pod of spores despite the pod being next to a red sun.

What he does to block it will blow your mind. He formed a planet to block it and all of this is despite the fact that he was weakened by the Red Sun. This left him nearly dead and the Guardians saved him and made him question his role on Earth.

  1. Broke Highfather’s Staff Out of Source Wall

The idea of Source Wall was an interesting addition to the Fourth World mythology. Writer Jack Kirby noted that there was one final barrier which was keeping us away from the Source, the unifying force of the universe. The actual Wall wasn’t introduced till the X-Men/New Teen Titans crossover. It was revealed in this that anyone who dares to go through the Source Wall shall be trapped inside and cannot escape.

In Batman/Superman storyline, “Torment” we see DeSaad freeing Darkseid from the Source Wall by taking control of Superman’s Mind with some help from Scarecrow and his mind-altering drugs. Superman was drugged and sent to the Source Wall to free the Highfather’s staff so that DeSaad could free Darkseid.

Conculsion = Superman is infinite He can do basically what he wants

Beerus on the other hand dosnet have many feats

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Round 2

his may come as a surprise to many people, but recently I have spoken with a few in private that believe there's no proof for Beerus being MFTL, as well as getting challenged on it every once in awhile either in a WWW thread or on my RT itself. I'm just going to put some of these arguments to rest, and if I missed any, feel free to challenge me here or in private.

My original argument, that was brought to my attention by someone else in my Beerus RT, is this. However, there are some arguments used by others.

  • What if they're still in the nebula?

Originally, this was brought up to me a few months ago in a comment chain of my original argument and was also brought up to me a few days ago by a very excited and exasperated individual(until I shit on his chest ofc). He claimed Earth itself is in a nebula, so Beerus and Whis could have also been in their nebula as well. Here's some images of Beerus and Whis entering/leaving the nebula:

How do we know they're not in the nebula, you ask? Well, it's apparent that the nebula gas is clearly visible all over when they're on their own home world. It wasn't until episode 16 that we got confirmation that it's likely most of their nebula looks like that on the inside: http://watchdbzsuper.com/dragon-ball-super-episode-16-subbed/

For quick viewing, you may skip to roughly 21:35 of the episode. It shows Vegeta and Whis both entering the nebula together, at great speeds and clearly showing that the nebula gas is all over the place. This means that in episode three, both Beerus and Whis must have exited their nebula.

  • What if the nebula is really small?

This was also brought up to me recently. At first it struck me as that one time I saw someone trying to argue the Dragonball moon is made of cheese, but later I learned they were dead serious. How could nebula's be really small? Well, I guess we weren't given an exact number of how big the nebula was, but nebula's are normally pretty freaking huge. If you want to really pluck hairs, their home world at least has some planets and a sun inside it. Aside from the sun, Proxima Centauri is about 4.22 light-years from Earth and is the closest star to us. Toriyama probably didn't account for this star, but he clearly at least meant for the universe to resemble ours just a tiny bit. It should give us a decent idea of how far the stars are away from each other. It's still an absurd, MFTL speed feat if we know that visible stars in the sky are an absolutely massive distance away from us.

This is all assuming that the nebula is some magical tiny ass nebula, which is probably isn't, because nothing in universe 7 gives us the impression that things in the DB-verse are somehow super tiny(not anymore at least). For me this argument is ridiculous, because anyone making it does not hold any other series to the same amount of scrutiny, and there's no reason we should assume god damn nebula's are tiny unless otherwise stated.

Please let me know if there's an argument I'm not aware of, as I see these two the most commonly.

Conculsion just having outlier dosnet work any favor for superman beerus is the best

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Lol

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#25 Posted by SabbaVSK (568 posts) - - Show Bio

https://www.animatedtimes.com/supermans-10-most-impressive-strength-feats/

Debating on a whole 'nother level.

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Comics vs DB series is not allowed!!! Please someone call admin this already locked!

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#27 Posted by infamous5445 (602 posts) - - Show Bio

Wait, who's arguing in favor of Beerus?

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1. Contains a miniature black hole within his fist.

2. Shows that his strength overcomes Green Lantern's (Jon Stewart) willpower.

3. Pulls the planet Earth with the help of Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman.

4. Pulls the moon along with Wonder Woman and Green Lantern.

5. Throws a huge load of nuclear weaponry into the sun.

6. Splits a dead moon of the planet Saturn in half.

7. Carries a huge piece of earth to stop the flow of a volcano.

8. Carries a ship with ease.

9. Punches Lobo into orbit.

10. Moves WarWorld while power amped.

11. Stops a speeding train.

12. Knocks two giant robot into the coast using a wrecking ball.

13. Helps Wonder Woman slow down the descent of the Spectre, who's essentially made of eternity.

14. Indirectly causes planetary damage in his battle against General Zod.

15. Slips a Doomsday Clone's face with a punch.

16. Lifts a huge chuck of Earth.

17. Brings an entire lab to outer space.

Speed

1. Catches a magic beam.

2. Is able to keep up with Jay Garrick.

3. Accelerates to escape a double black hole.

4. Showing nanosecond speed.

5. Can read at super speeds.

6. Speed-blitz's a robot.

7. Can vibrate his body fast enough to appear invisible.

8. More speed-blitzing.

9. Travels faster than light speed in space.

10. Travels from the moon to the Earth in mere moments.

11. Reaches an unspecified solar system from Earth in a short period of time.

12. Sees lightning moving in "slow motion" while using super speed.

13. Blitzs an Imperiex Probe.

14. Blitzs Doomsday Rex.

15. Blitzs Mongul.

16. Dodges Batman's punch and claims that if he doesnt move next time, his hand will be broken.

17. Young Clark Kent saves classmates without being seen.

18. BFR Parasite before anyone can react.

Heat Vision

1. Shows incredible accuracy by ricocheting his heat vision from a space satellite to engrave a message in someone's apartment.

2. Almost kills Blackrock.

3. Calculates Shrapnel's heating point.

4. Destroys an asteroid.

5. Successfully power Jor-El's planet-moving ion engines with heat vision.

6. Shows HV when "unleashed".

7. Heats up the planet Earth from 200,000 miles away in outer space.

8. Wipes out an entire army of weaker Doomsday clones.

Super Sense

1. Listening to what's happening on Earth.

2. Hears him being challenged from outer space.

3. Uses Micro-vision to see that what is supposed to be wine is actually human blood.

4. Can see Superboy's soul.

5. Can see the entire electromagnetic spectrum.

6. Here's Green Arrow from all the way across the world.

7. Uses Micro-vision to detect ion particles.

8. Can see a molecule's atomic structure.

9. Listens to Earth's broadcasts while approaching Earth.

Durability / Freeze Breath / Other Powers

1. Survives the collision of 2 planets.

2. Withstand the explosion of a star.

3. Withstands another planetary explosion.

4. Alan Scott refers to Superman as the strongest on the planet.

5. In an argument with trust issues, Batman calls Superman the powerful man on Earth.

6. Even Wonder Woman says Superman is the strongest.

7. Freezes Shrapnel and Plasmus together.

8. Holds and freezes the top portion of building back together.

9. Incapacitates Bizarro.

10. Resists magical transmutation.

So superman has this

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oon, I'm going to be working on a Beerus Respect Thread. So, feel free to add feats you might already have and I'll edit this post to showcase it. I will be using feats from both the anime and manga as both are canon.

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01. Beerus creates a whirling energy barrier than pushes away Tienshinhan, Piccolo, and Android 18 easily.

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02. Beerus uses Instant Paralysis to render a SSJ Vegeta immobile.

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03. In the same sequence as 02, Beerus places a single finger to SSJ Vegeta's forehead, and forces him down to the ground. Shows how strong just a finger from Beerus is.

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04. Catches Gotenks' hand with two fingers. Gotenks struggles, unable to get free. Shows how strong just two fingers are!

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05. A possible SSJ3 (sans the long hair) Vegeta using his Galic Gun against Beerus. Beerus casually tanks the attack. This Vegeta has surpassed Goku in power. To confirm, though Beerus was struck several times, he states himself Vegeta forced him to use "one-tenth" of his power.

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06. Beerus creates a Death Ball-sized sphere of energy that would have destroyed the entire solar system, if not for Goku showing up.

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07. Beerus casually blocks a recently transformed Super Saiyan God Goku's attacks with an open palm.

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08. This feat requires seven snapshots as it's two attacks in one. First, Beerus uses a new technique that supercharges Goku's body, then, uncontrollably, Goku is flung forward with much speed and force, only to explode. Beerus repeats this two more times, then ends by grabbing Goku's face and torpedoing him to the ground that cause another explosion, leaving Goku nearly defeated. Take note that Goku could not evade or defend against these attacks due to Beerus' speed.

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09. Beerus uses a numerous amount of Earth destroying atom-style (in appearance, not size) energy balls, in which Goku counters and destroys with a full-powered Kamehameha.

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so beerus wins

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#32 Posted by Hellespont (297 posts) - - Show Bio

Is this a CaV or two respect threads...........

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This is Post Crisis Superman. But what do you want...Flying or running?

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#8 Posted by majestic99 (8915 posts) - 7 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@cloudzackvincent: @Primmaster64:

1. Thank you all for replying!!!!

2. I would like only pre 52 Superman speed feats

3. They can be reactionary, travel(running or flying),speedblitzing,etc.

4. Are those all of them?

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#9 Edited by cloudzackvincent (1197 posts) - 7 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@majestic99: yea they are all pre flashpoint superman's feats

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#10 Posted by majestic99 (8915 posts) - 7 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@cloudzackvincent said:

@majestic99: yea they are all pre flashpoint superman's feats

Who is pre flashpoint Superman?(I"m not a superman expert so I need help identifying different versions)

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#11 Posted by Primmaster64 (21668 posts) - 7 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio@majestic99: Alright.
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#12 Posted by cloudzackvincent (1197 posts) - 7 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@majestic99:pre flashpoint superman is an unofficial term for the superman of the main continuity since the end of "CIOE" in 1986 up until, prior to the timline alteration due to flashpoint and the subsequent reboot in 2011

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#13 Posted by majestic99 (8915 posts) - 7 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@Primmaster64 said:

@majestic99: Alright.

Okay. Not going to comment in my "respect thor" thread?(I can only make two posts at a time, so until someone else posts, I can't finish)

@cloudzackvincent said:

@majestic99:pre flashpoint superman is an unofficial term for the superman of the main continuity since the end of "CIOE" in 1986 up until, prior to the timline alteration due to flashpoint and the subsequent reboot in 2011

So....isn't that the same as saying "pre 52" Superman?

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#14 Posted by cloudzackvincent (1197 posts) - 7 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@majestic99: yea its the same, but i prefer saying pre flashpoint in forums because someone might get nitpicky and say that pre new 52 superman is subject-1, the superman of the flashpoint timeline not the pre flashpoint one.. u know this guy..

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Nanosecond speed

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#16 Posted by majestic99 (8915 posts) - 7 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@Primmaster64:

Where are these two from?

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#17 Posted by Primmaster64 (21668 posts) - 7 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio@majestic99: First one is from a Justice league comic...Don't know which one though...Secon one is from Superman Vol 2 152.
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#18 Posted by BatWatch (5487 posts) - 7 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

His comicvine page says he made it to the sun in eight minutes which is the speed of light.

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#19 Posted by majestic99 (8915 posts) - 7 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@PsychoKnights said:

His comicvine page says he made it to the sun in eight minutes which is the speed of light.

I know that.

@Primmaster64 said:

@majestic99: First one is from a Justice league comic...Don't know which one though...Secon one is from Superman Vol 2 152.

Thanks for the info. Primm.

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#20 Posted by BatWatch (5487 posts) - 7 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@majestic99 said:

@PsychoKnights said:

His comicvine page says he made it to the sun in eight minutes which is the speed of light.

I know that.

@Primmaster64 said:

@majestic99: First one is from a Justice league comic...Don't know which one though...Secon one is from Superman Vol 2 152.

Thanks for the info. Primm.

Well then, why did you ask?

Almost nothing anybody has posted has been more impressive than that. Who cares if he can dodge a punch from Batman. He is faster than light.

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#21 Posted by majestic99 (8915 posts) - 7 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@PsychoKnights:

I know what light speed is I asked what are Superman's speed feats?(not the same thing)

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#22 Posted by Kallarkz (3388 posts) - 7 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

The first scan in this thread shows that Superman has the capability of going light speed.

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#23 Posted by majestic99 (8915 posts) - 7 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@Kallarkz said:

The first scan in this thread shows that Superman has the capability of going light speed.

1. Do you know what issue the first scan is from?

2. I've never understood this and noone explains this, but how is it someone with nano-second reaction time can dodge light speed attacks?

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#24 Posted by HolySerpent (13762 posts) - 7 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

I'm suprise there that me scans. He defiantly has more speed feats

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#25 Edited by The Man of Yesteryear (5592 posts) - 7 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@majestic99 said:

2. I've never understood this and noone explains this, but how is it someone with nano-second reaction time can dodge light speed attacks?

maybe because light only travels 30 cm in one nanosecond....

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#26 Posted by majestic99 (8915 posts) - 7 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@HolySerpent said:

I'm suprise there that me scans. He defiantly has more speed feats

Any that come to mind?

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#27 Edited by majestic99 (8915 posts) - 7 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@HolySerpent said:

I'm suprise there that me scans. He defiantly has more speed feats

Superman rebuilds Metropolis, Showing some high speed combat, catching some things at high speed, travels FTL in space,etc.

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This is Post Crisis Superman. But what do you want...Flying or running?

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#29 Posted by MuyJingo (2862 posts) - 4 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

@deathsdoor726: You really didn't have to quote the whole thread .

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#30 Posted by deathsdoor726 (1715 posts) - 4 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio
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@deathsdoor726: You really didn't have to quote the whole thread .

I really don't care lol

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#31 Posted by HeavenlyDarkDragon (2219 posts) - 4 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

Simply put.

Superman is fast enough to travel through the galaxy in a manner of days or months. Depends on the distances.

He can think equally fast if he wants to, and he can react equally fast again if he wants to.

He can vibrate through solid objects, and through dimensions more specifically near dimensions.

I think this basically covers it all.

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#37 Posted by Fanboy7mode (527 posts) - - Show Bio

Beerus!

Although Superman is quite powerful, if we are to take the current versions of both. Then Beerus would win without breaking a sweat.

Why!? Well two main points:

  1. Beerus has the Hakai technique. Which basically destroys everything with the exception of totally immortal beings. Which Superman isn't.
  2. Beerus was seen destroying a star like it was nothing. Just because he was mad he got wakened up.

We can all agree that Superman is powerful, but he isn't nearly that powerful. And people can't keep using past versions of Superman to debunk these things.

Silver Age Superman is long gone. Superman-Prime… Long gone. We got current Beerus and current Superman. And at the end of the day current Superman doesn't have the skills to pay the bills.

New 52 Superman, had shown he could survive not only being inside a Black Hole, but also having traveled from the edge of the universe to the Earth in only 2 months. So if it was that Superman against Beerus… Then Beerus would be in trouble. But current Superman has been shown many times to be way weaker than the New 52 version.

so beerus wins