- 616 feats for Thor and Post crisis , new 52 and rebirth feats for Superman allowed
- Please don't interfere until the CAV has been over
- Please vote according to who you think debated better
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Superman has been depicted as a hero that originated from the planet Krypton and was given the name Kal-El at birth. As a baby, he was sent to Earth in a small spaceship by his biological family, Jor-El and Lara, moments before Krypton was destroyed in a natural cataclysm. His ship landed in the American countryside; he was found and adopted by farmers Jonathan and Martha Kent near the small town of Smallville, who named him Clark Kent. Clark displayed various superhuman abilities from the start as a young boy, such as incredible strength and impervious skin. His foster parents advised him to use his abilities for the benefit of humanity, and he decided to fight crime as a vigilante. To protect his privacy, he changes into a colorful costume and uses the alias "Superman" when fighting crime.
Strength is usually useless in battles so i will go on to striking
now i know that Thor consistently hits more than Superman but that doesn't mean that superman cannot strike enough to hurt him , here are some scans which according to me are very impressive against Thor unless you show me the durability of 616 Thor
1)He casually destroys a meteor which was going to destroy earth
2)He was shaking the whole earth just by punching H'el at his full power but remember he didn't utilize his speed in this feat and also the punches were felt by the JL members which were in the JL watchtower outside the planet's orbit
3)He states that he can shatter planets
4) In justice league issue 23 of 2018 , He casually shatters a planet just by jumping off of it and he was weakened because world forger had trapped him inside the 6th dimension and also there was no sunlight and he was actually feeling that his power was getting drained but still he continued to push ! don't forget new 52 superman was able to cross a 100 billion light years universe without any sunlight just in 60 days which is massively FTL ( quantification if you ask for it )
Now this is where i think has Clark has major advantage over Thor Odinson
It's better to not include travel speed as it has no point in a battle
i will move on to combat and reaction speed
1)Superman states that he could react in nano-seconds
2) Superman saves a baby in nano-seconds
3) Superman reacts and acts to a situation in 0.001 second
So unless and until Thor could exceed this speed , he is not hurting Clark
Even if Thor manages to hold Clark , he cannot hurt him IMO and that's because of the amazing durability Clark holds
1) He tanks the collision of new genesis and apokolips which were described as dwarf galaxies
2) he survived going inside the black hole which was continent sized only and this feat is far exceeds planetary durability and why ( watch 3 mins of this video)-
Heat Vision plays an important role here because it will help clark to hurt thor
Heat vision travels FTL because as we can see here -
it takes seconds from the earth's surface to reach brainiac's ship an light takes 8 minutes to reach from sun to earth
Also for the temperature , it can go upto the temperature of the sun which is 5000 C -
Lighting travels in Milliseconds and i have read this from this link -
Seeing above that superman was already fast enough to react faster than milliseconds without exerting himself , i don't see how lighting would even touch him a bit
Thor is the Asgardian God of Thunder, and the strongest Avenger/Asgardian and son of Odin& Gaea. Thor is arguably the greatest defender of both worlds. Armed with his enchanted Uru hammer Mjolnir, which can only be lifted by those who are worthy, Thor is the mightiest warrior in all of Asgard&Avengers.
Yes superman is no push over in the strength/striking department but Thor is just as strong as superman if not stronger / and he has mlnoir which hits harder then superman fist anyday.
1 can open the earth with bare hands
2 can smash planets with his hammer.
3 can throw his hammer through an amped Thing who at the time rivaled thor for a bit so mlnoir going to be bad news for superman
4-5 Surfer tries to deal with Thor which was not a good idea.
pushes the world engine in reverse direction which is great strength feat because it connects the 9 realms. So Thor strength is def something supes should be worried about.
Next the Speed department.
1 can move in mireseconds
2 can throw his hammer across the galaxy and have it return back to him in only 1 minute- Thor can hold superman off with strength alone before mlnoir hits superman upside the head.
3 Can swing his hammer at the speed of light- how many planet busting strikes from Thor can Clark really handle?
1 catches Qussar staff
2 dodges silver surfer blast.
3 dodges glads heatblast who is one of a few superman equals of marvel, so I don't see clark lazer blast being to difficult for Thor.
4 much older scan of 616 but still Thor caught Hermes showing he no slouch in speed or reflexes
1 Tanks punches from Maxam and Gem Drax
2 tanks blows from Surtur who is Odin level- How many Odin level individuals has superman taken hits from?
3 survives two planets worth of pressure.
4 Tanks a blast from Thanos that has the capacity to destroy planets.
5 resist the flames of his father King Odin
6 has a conversation in the sun, now I know not a big deal for supes right he goes to the sun all the time but that just it. Superman powers come from the sun so for him it's normal but for Thor that is a really good durability feat.
Goes inside a bomb made to kill every God in the universe and lives
Lighting - Thor 's main projectile
1 hurts the void
2 ko the hulk
3 ko juggernaut
4 kills fenrir
5 thunder can be heard from worlds away-just goes to show his true might.
6-7 can hurt beings who are in different dimensional planes
8 can even hurt beings whop are intangible
his weather skills are quite impressive.
1 Hurts Hercules
2 can create world wide storms
3-4 can control cosmic and time temporal storms and as you see Thor very versatile
Now Thor dose not just have to rely on strength and lighting- he also posses energy manipulation
1 absorbs silver surfer blast
2 Absorbs the fire of hades
3 aborbs radiation from Kang
4 absorbs Hyperion atomic blast
5 can even remove life energy.
So Thor can just absorb anything supes fires at him even his own life energy.
not just energy manipulation but matter manipulation
1 turns Absorbing man to helium
2 turns a prymaid orchard
Can open portals as you see he sends Ymir and Surtur to a diminision of death
1 Thor is stronger then supes especially with mlnoir
2 Thor has better versatility then supes
3 Thor dose not even have to get close with Supes- can destroy him with his weather control&Lighting strikes or he can simply turn him into whatever he desires. But Superman has been over taken by Ocean Master Water control prison as well as his lighting, been affected by Weather Wizard Lighting and even hurt by Livewire electricity blast.
just imagine what The God of Thunder is going to do
Thor pushing world engine is an amazing feat especially when the realms were stated to be the size of the universes , we all also have him pulling necrossword which weight even odin couldn't calculate or when he overpowered infinite amounts of gravity but the thing is these are his high end feats and aren't consistent and i need only one high end feat of superman overpowering these all and the feat is him moving a device left by Brainiac 13 after the Imperiex war which held an the entire infinite universe! This device also ignores the laws of physics as it was on the verge of turning into a black hole then instantly stop like nothing happened. It was also stated to ignore the laws of physics. .
Superman the Man of Steel issues 100 and 101
You can also take his feats like pulling darkseid from source wall which required 5 supergirls to do it , he was also able to pull out highfather's staff from the source wall which was cited for unimaginable strength or when he was able to lift the book with infinite number of pages , now some people say that the last page of the book was read meaning it had finite number of pages but the thing is the last page of ONE of the stories inside the book was read and that’s why he said “evil wins at the end” which is wrong cause evil lost
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