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#1 Edited by emperorthanos- (16577 posts) - - Show Bio

No your eyes do not deceive you, this is indeed another one of those Goku vs Superman debates being done again. Some of you may remember @lvenger having done this debate before with Pope052 as part of a 2v2 Hulk & Superman vs Sentry & Goku CAV. Well this time Lvenger and I are having our second comics vs manga debate following the Wonder Woman vs Jirou CAV we did. Be prepared for an exciting and epic time as we revisit this age old debate to present our cases for Superman and Goku and then put it to the vote. Who will win this time; the heroic Man of Steel or the courageous Super Saiyan warrior?

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Scenario

Feeling bored in the peacetime following Majiin Buu’s defeat, Goku seeks a new and powerful person to fight against. He gathers the Dragon Balls and summons Shenron to ask him to bring a strong warrior for him to fight. Shenron tells him there is no being outside of Earth in the universe who can challenge Goku but that there are other universes with worlds that contain beings powerful enough to rival Goku. Shenron claims there is one in particular who lives on another Earth that would be a worthy challenger for Goku. He is an alien like Goku with powers far beyond mortal men who protects his planet from all kinds of threats and villains. Goku asks for his name and Shenron tells him he is known as Superman. Goku gets excited and asks Shenron to bring him here. His wish is granted as Superman is transported from his universe to Goku’s just as he is about to defeat Lex Luthor again. Goku gleefully introduces himself and sensing Superman’s strength, asks to battle him but Superman refuses to battle just for the sake of fighting. Goku attempts to persuade Superman saying he was brought here by a wish from the Dragon Balls and that afterwards he can be sent back home by them. During their conversation, Lex Luthor is ignored and his sensors detect Goku is a powerful alien like Superman. Despite being sceptical about a wish granting dragon, Lex takes the opportunity to finally dispose of his most hated enemy and wishes for Superman and Goku to fight to the death. Goku and Superman are consumed by an uncontrollable desire to slay the other. With his last sane act, Goku teleports himself and Superman to a random faraway planet that happens to orbit a yellow sun with Instant Transmission. He then powers up to Super Saiyan 3 immediately and both alien heroes prepare to go all out to kill each other.

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Rules

  • Superman is Composite Pre Flashpoint, New 52 and Rebirth versions.
  • Goku is manga version including Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball Super. Goku is allowed post Super Saiyan God DBS manga skill feats. Goku is at Pre Super Saiyan God power levels.
  • No God ki or Super Saiyan God transformations for Goku. Superman cannot sundip.
  • Both combatants are in character but willing to kill.
  • Both have basic knowledge on each other.
  • Goku starts off the fight in his Super Saiyan 3 form. Superman is fully charged on solar energy.
  • Win by any means except BFR.
  • Battle takes place on an indestructible, abandoned planet with a yellow sun and no ozone layer to filter out the sun’s solar radiation.
  • Combatants start a mile away from each other.

Challenge a Viner Voting Rules

  • Please do not interfere in the debate, it is between us two. If you must correct us on a point before the debate is over, do so via PM.
  • Do not post Death Battle, Cartoon Fight Club or other Youtube versus videos that relate to this topic.
  • Regular posting, memes or making comments is perfectly fine. However, you are not permitted to interfere in the debate, post scans nor start any separate debates or flame wars with another user.
  • Please base your votes on the debater you found most convincing, not on which character you think would win personally. Reasoning and constructive criticism is appreciated and encouraged too.
  • If you respect those rules, you are more than welcome to enjoy the show

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#2 Posted by TheKinfing (11792 posts) - - Show Bio

T4V!

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#3 Posted by HighAccuser (9696 posts) - - Show Bio

Sounds pretty cool. T4V.

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#4 Posted by emperorthanos- (16577 posts) - - Show Bio
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#6 Edited by Kalel121 (37 posts) - - Show Bio

@emperorthanos: I see it, really good job ET. I can get an opener up tonight on my alt if we want to get this ball moving?

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#7 Posted by emperorthanos- (16577 posts) - - Show Bio

@kalel121 said:

@emperorthanos: I see it, really good job ET. I can get an opener up tonight if we want to get this ball moving?

there's no rush. I will be able to something up by the end week.

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#8 Posted by blackpantherisb (7262 posts) - - Show Bio

T4V

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#9 Posted by SupremeGeneration (11922 posts) - - Show Bio

T4V

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#10 Posted by Vertigo- (17822 posts) - - Show Bio

Holy shit... taking on an lvenger whose using supes. Your brave ET. T4V

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#11 Posted by KrleAvenger (26082 posts) - - Show Bio

@emperorthanos: @kalel121: I don't want to interfere but are New 52 feats allowed only because of strength? Because that is the only advantage New 52 Clark has over Pre-Flashpoint/Rebirth Clark. I'm asking only because of curiosity.

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#12 Posted by Kalel121 (37 posts) - - Show Bio

@krleavenger: Basically yes but I'll use a few other feats of New 52 Superman too.

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#13 Posted by Kalel121 (37 posts) - - Show Bio
@kalel121 said:

@emperorthanos: I see it, really good job ET. I can get an opener up tonight if we want to get this ball moving?

there's no rush. I will be able to something up by the end week.

Yeah you're right, I'll have it out by tomorrow instead.

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#14 Posted by deactivated-5a90ca82ccb5f (6669 posts) - - Show Bio

T4V!

This is gonna be epic!

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#15 Posted by KrleAvenger (26082 posts) - - Show Bio
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#16 Posted by Chimeroid (9267 posts) - - Show Bio

T4V

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#17 Posted by Kalel121 (37 posts) - - Show Bio
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#18 Posted by ASGARDIANBRONY (11629 posts) - - Show Bio

T. 4. V!!!

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#19 Edited by WollfMyth209 (16814 posts) - - Show Bio

I require to see this! I must see this! Tag meh!

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#20 Posted by KrleAvenger (26082 posts) - - Show Bio

@kalel121: I am not sure what you mean. What I meant is, I know what to expect when it comes to New 52 Feats because I read almost all of his appearances but I can't say the same for Pre-Flashpoint Version because it's been like 9 years since I stopped reading his comics (and didn't really read a lot). You don't have to worry about bias, especially because I'm not sure will I be able to vote.

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#21 Posted by emperorthanos- (16577 posts) - - Show Bio

@krleavenger: I may be wrong but i think he is talking about us putting the cav on TDD

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#22 Posted by Kalel121 (37 posts) - - Show Bio

@krleavenger: I may be wrong but i think he is talking about us putting the cav on TDD

Yep that's what I meant. And I'd be glad to have it on there too.

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#23 Edited by noobsnowman (3635 posts) - - Show Bio

t4v

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Seems fun and good natured. T4V.

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#27 Posted by TheIncredibleSuperHulk8642 (4588 posts) - - Show Bio

BAH GAWD ALMIGHTY King This'll be a bonafide slobber knocker

T4V pleeeaaasseeee

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#28 Posted by ITouchedTheBoat (3393 posts) - - Show Bio

T4V

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#29 Posted by deactivated-5b728068f211c (7069 posts) - - Show Bio

looks good

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#30 Posted by the_red_viper (12792 posts) - - Show Bio

...say what now?

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#31 Posted by lettsplay10 (20589 posts) - - Show Bio
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#32 Edited by APEX_pretador (20996 posts) - - Show Bio

tag

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#33 Posted by PacPanda (1038 posts) - - Show Bio

T4V

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#34 Posted by Supermanforever (8541 posts) - - Show Bio

isnt comic vs manga banned lol?

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#35 Posted by the_red_viper (12792 posts) - - Show Bio

isnt comic vs manga banned lol?

No, it got un-banned really long ago.

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#36 Posted by SupremeGeneration (11922 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanforever said:

isnt comic vs manga banned lol?

No, it got un-banned really long ago.

Unbanned long ago? They're still getting locked though. The only format allowed is DBZ vs Comics in a CaV.

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#37 Posted by emperorthanos- (16577 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_red_viper said:
@supermanforever said:

isnt comic vs manga banned lol?

No, it got un-banned really long ago.

Unbanned long ago? They're still getting locked though. The only format allowed is DBZ vs Comics in a CaV.

Comics vs manga battles are only getting locked becuase so many people make mismatches. they are allowed.

DBZ vs comics is still banned except for in cav.

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#39 Posted by SupremeGeneration (11922 posts) - - Show Bio

Do you know for how for will Lvenger stay banned? Unless he is banned permanently.

It was a 3 day ban, but he has an alt running around.

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#40 Posted by emperorthanos- (16577 posts) - - Show Bio

@emperorthanos: Do you know for how for will Lvenger stay banned? Unless he is banned permanently.

Just a couple of days.

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#41 Edited by KrleAvenger (26082 posts) - - Show Bio

@krleavenger said:

Do you know for how for will Lvenger stay banned? Unless he is banned permanently.

It was a 3 day ban, but he has an alt running around.

His alt is banned as well. I guess we will have to wait for three days then.

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#42 Edited by KrleAvenger (26082 posts) - - Show Bio

@emperorthanos: Good. Glad he won't have to hand it over like I did for using guys Gladiator who would lose to the likes of Goku 8-9/10.

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#43 Edited by BullPR (5969 posts) - - Show Bio

T4V please!

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#44 Posted by DeathHero61 (18831 posts) - - Show Bio

isnt comic vs manga banned lol?

It's fine to do it for CAVs.

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#45 Posted by flashback0180 (4498 posts) - - Show Bio

T4v

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#46 Posted by deactivated-5aeee927346fb (1531 posts) - - Show Bio

T4V

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#47 Posted by MErulezall (3785 posts) - - Show Bio
@supremegeneration said:
@krleavenger said:

Do you know for how for will Lvenger stay banned? Unless he is banned permanently.

It was a 3 day ban, but he has an alt running around.

His alt is banned as well. I guess we will have to wait for three days then.

what was he banned for?

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#48 Posted by SupremeGeneration (11922 posts) - - Show Bio

@merulezall: Responding to a PM he shouldn't have responded to.

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T4V!