CaV: Spider-Man 2099 (blackspidey2099) vs Assassin Spider-Man (logicuser) (forfeited by logicuser)

Location:

Rules/Additional Info:

• Combatants are in-character
• Combatants have no prior knowledge
• Combatants start on the ground, 100m away and with clear line of sight
• Spider-Man 2099 may use feats from the original (Volume 1) as well as the new (Volume 2 and 3) timelines.
• Assassin Spider-Man may use feats for 616 Spider-Man up to and including the Spider-Man vs. Wolverine issue (from February 1987) where their timelines diverge. After, he may only use feats he has performed himself.
• Incapacitation, knock out, or death count as a win

@logicuser here's the post. Are the rules fine or do you want me to make any changes? You're going first right?

@blackspidey2099:

"Assassin Spider-Man may use feats for 616 Spider-Man up to and including the Spider-Man vs. Wolverine issue (from February 1987) where their timelines diverge. After, he may only use feats he has performed himself."

(after wolverine vs spider-man) i think he should have access to those feats since he is the same spidey , who just took a different route.Logically if anything he should be stronger due to training.

Well, Spider-Man has had strength boosts since then (ex. in Avengers Disassembled, or from The Other) which is why I thought it might not be fair, especially considering that Miguel already has a lot fewer issues to draw feats from. Even generally, Spider-Man has got a lot better strength feats starting from the late 90s, which we don't really know if Assassin Spidey can replicate.

However, I'll leave it up to you. Tell me if you want me to edit the OP before you begin your post.

@blackspidey2099: yea okay , i'll try to use silver age spider-man feats only

and can we make striking strength=lifting strength

@blackspidey2099: should i go first or do you

Sure, sounds good! I don't mind going after you.

@blackspidey2099: i'll make my post tom.

Strength

Spider-man is a 20 tonner at least

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Speed

Spider-man dodges bullets from point blank range

and moves FTE

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Durability

Can fight forever against venom

http://imgur.com/a/AN1K6

Spider sense

He is practically psychic and knows what spider-man 2099 is going to do before he does

http://imgur.com/CBE5h8E

http://imgur.com/KlB3ojB

Conclusion

They are all around equals but spider-man's spider sense gives him the edge as he knows what 2099 is going to do before he does

@blackspidey2099:

Tag

Hey, is that your intro? I'll post mine tomorrow?

@blackspidey2099: yes

Miguel O'Hara (aka. Spider-Man 2099)

Spider-Man 2099: Future's Hero

Miguel O'Hara was a young super-genius working at Alchemax, one of the largest corporations in a world where capitalism spiraled out of control, leaving a select few members of the elite with all the power. One day, one of his experiments - to replicate the powers of the present day Spider-Man - was sabotaged, overwriting his DNA to make it 50% spider! This granted him amazing powers, similar to those of Peter Parker, with a few key differences. Instead of Spider Sense, he possesses an Accelerated Vision which grants him near-perfect visual acuity, so he can see objects at much greater distances and in near total darkness. Furthermore, it enables him to see objects move much more clearly and slowly, to the point that it can act as a biological warning system, though not to the same effect as Spider Sense. In addition, he can produce organic webbing, as well as a non-lethal paralysis agent he can secrete through fangs he has in his mouth.

Miguel eventually gets transported to the present, meeting and allying with the Spider-Man of today - Peter Parker. This comes with some extra benefits for him, such as a job as Parker Industries' Head of Research and Development as well as a much more upgraded Parkertech suit, granting him significantly increased durability, access to various weaponry, flight, as well as holographic projection and stealth capabilities. The suit also interfaces with Miguel's holographic assistant from 2099, Lyla, who can provide him with useful information from various sources (including the internet as well as data from 2099) and control the suit's various capabilities (similar to JARVIS or FRIDAY in Iron Man armour).

Power Level

Strength:

1- Miguel easily lifts up a car

2- Miguel breaks off and lifts a tank turret

3 - Miguel matches Thor 2099's strength

4 - tears off Venom 2099's hand (same symbiote as present day Venom) with ease

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Speed:

1 - easily dodges point blank gunfire while also shooting webs

2 - quick enough to dodge targeted missiles and redirect them with webbing

3 - easily dodges machine gun fire

4 - can tag Peter Parker Spider-Man despite Spider Sense (although that is Otto Octavius controlling the body)

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Durability:

1 & 2 - survives Thor 2099 throwing Mjolnir at him hard enough to drop a building on him without being unconscious

3 - survives Lash's disintegration blast

4 - survives a shot from a plasma cannon meant to hurt Hulk

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Intelligence:

1 - easily overrides Alchemax computers

2, 3, & 4 - fixes Dr. Doom's time machine with parts from old Iron Man armours (which Maestro was unable to do)

5 - easily hacks Dr. Doom, Reed Richards, and Tony Stark

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Other:

1 - his venom is strong enough to temporarily paralyze the Sub-Mariner, an Atlantean

2 - his accelerated vision enables him to see wavelengths outside just visible light

3 - his accelerated vision enables him to see in near complete darkness

4 - he projects organic webbing through spinnerets in his forearms

5 - he can control the thickness and strength of his webbing

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Additional abilities given to him by Lyla and the suit:

1 - quick overview of the Parkertech suit's capabilities

2 - the suit has flight and GPS systems

3 - the suit has thermal scanners

4 - the suit can automatically aggregate information from the Internet

5 - the suit has camouflage/invisibility

6 - the suit can create holographic illusions as decoys

7 - Lyla can also project holograms to change Miguel's appearance

8 - Lyla can track people after Miguel tags them with his form of spider-tracers

9 - the suit can monitor vitals

10 - Lyla can wirelessly tap into other people's brains and stimulate them

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Explosive Spider-Saucers:

1 - the spider-saucers can be launched remotely and are powerful enough to hurt Dr. Cronos' (the foremost robotics expert in the world and Dr. Doom's teacher) robot/cyborg body

2 - they can blow a huge hole in the rock/ground

3 - powerful enough to completely destroy Iron Man 2099's armour

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Conclusion

Despite Assassin Spider-Man's obvious advantage in the fact that he has a spider sense (not to mention an extremely upgraded one), Miguel comes out top here due to his far superior durability and impressive versatility, which come about from his more varied powers, access to Lyla as his personal assistant, and the gadgets and gizmos packed into his Parkertech armour. In this battle at least, a more versatile and all-around greater powerset trump martial expertise.

@logicuser: That's my piece, said. Ready for Round 1?

New feats

I was reserving these feats , but looks like i'm going to need them

Strength

Spider-man hits with the concussive force of multiple mortars

Spider-man sends ironman flying and the force of iron man hitting the building displaces it by a bit

Spider-man's blows hurt thor

Spider-man can knock out tombstone , by increasing his attack potency through webbing his own hand

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It's important to note that tombstone has tanked this: http://imgur.com/a/0VoX2

and remained conscious

Speed

Spider-man dodges electro

Electro concedes spider-man is faster

Spider-man speed blitzes thor

Durability

This isn't finished .

@blackspidey2099: i'm going to need a week to finish my post

Hey, that's no problem by me. I will be a lot more busy starting next week though, so if this battle stretches out, I won't be able to reply as quickly either. Is that good with you?

@blackspidey2099: yea

@logicuser: awesome then. Good luck with your post! :)

@blackspidey2099: :D

T4V.

@normanbates: @mysticmedivh: Will do. :)

@odin619360 here is that tag you wanted! :)

T4V

Hey are you still planning on continuing this?

Battle of the high tiers. Tag for votes.

Well he deactivated his account... so on a whim I'm going to say no...

rip this debate, I love me some Miguel debating

lol yeah, I just noticed that today and I was wondering about it. I was hoping he had made another account, but since he hasn't contacted me about that, I'll be assuming no as well. :( It is a shame since I really enjoy debating with Miguel.

To bad, I've just been getting into Miguel as a character, hes lit.

lol I agree. I'm currently finishing up a Black Panther vs Spider-Man CaV but if you know anyone who is willing to go up against Miguel please let me know since I'd love to do another battle with him, if this one ends up getting forfeited by @logicuser.