Ruby Rose is a Huntress in Training from Beacon Academy. She's superhuman in all areas and is an absolute beast with a scythe.
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This should give you a good idea of what Ruby can do. As you can see, she has amazing physical abilities along with her adeptness with her sniper/scythe Crescent Rose. In this video Ruby destroys an army of Beowolves without even breaking a sweat. Near the end, she is even able to kill a dozen or so of them before her shells can hit the ground.
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In this fight Ruby destroys some goons that were robbing a store. Nothing special. The only reason I posted this is because it shows that she's a bullet dodger ( 3:45 ), if that wasn't obvious from the first video.
Now you might have noticed that those guys weren't getting sliced in half by Rubys scythe. That's because everyone in this universe has something called an Aura ( except the Creatures of Grimm, like those Beowolves ). It's basically acts as a force field that protects the user of it. While it can be overpowered, it could definitely help in nullifying attacks that would normally be fatal.
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Several awesome things happen in the video above. First off, they're fighting a giant bullet-proof bird monster called a Nevermore. It easily shatters tons of stone and tanks point blank explosions, so it's fairly durable. Now, Ruby doesn't even use her semblance in the video above, no. She's able to run upon falling debris with ease without it. Then, she shows that she isn't a dimwit by coming up with a plan to kill the Nevermore, it's rather insane, but it works. This plan of her's includes her getting shot out of a giant freaking slingshot to grapple the giant freaking death bird with her scythe, then run up the giant freaking cliffside with only the aid of her sniper-rounds and some anti-gravity glyphs from Weiss, and rip the head off of the giant freaking bird, who, lemme remind you, was ramming through huge stone columns and tanking explosions to the face. If you're not impressed by that, then I don't know what to say.
Game Plan:
So Titan Eren. I've only seen the first 11 episodes of Attack on Titan, but from what I have gathered, he's basically just a 45ish foot tall regenerating giant with a fair amount of martial arts skill. Nothing that Ruby couldn't deal with.
Advantages that Ruby has:
She's faster. That's clear and pretty much undebatable. Even without her Semblance she's fast enough to dodge bullets and outrun gravity itself. I'd say she's definitely fast enough to dodge the simple punches an kicks that Eren can produce.
She's more skilled: Again, that's clear and undebatable. Eren is good, but he's realistically good. Ruby is anime good. Just watch the Red Trailer and you'll see my point.
She's small: In almost all of Eren's fights he is either a human and killing Titans or he's a Titan killing Titans. He doesn't have the experience in fighting human sized character's in his Titan form. This would allow Ruby to just dodge around his legs as he clumsily tries to attack her.
And there's plenty of smaller things advantages , but I'll bring those up as I need them.
How Ruby would win:
In my eyes, the fight would go a little something like this;
The fight would start and the two would run towards each other. They'd get close and Eren would try and start stomping on her or punching at her or whatever. But Ruby, being the speedy little huntress she is would simply dodge. Now unless Eren's limbs move faster than bullets, then there's no disputing she could do this. Ruby would then lop off his hand or foot or something when she gets the chance, discovering his healing factor.
From there, Eren's chances of survival drop very very low. Now that Ruby knows he can regenerate, she would logically start going for the head. This is what she naturally does, just see the battle with the Nevermore. She'd have no problem boosting herself up to the head of the Titan Shifter either. She could run up his limbs, going too fast for him too tag her, using Crescent Rose as a booster until she gets to his neck, then WHAP! It's game over for Eren. She will end this in a simple slice of her blade with complete decapitation. GG, no RE.
So To Recap:
Ruby is has all the important advantages here and can easily end this fight within only a couple minutes even without her semblance. She's too fast and skilled for Eren to land a hit on, while she can land plenty of hits on Eren. Ruby kills Eren, then proceeds to show up entirety of the AoT cast by decimating a couple armies of Titans solo. ( Really want some fanart of Ruby murdering Titans now, someone get on that :P )
@joewell: Your videos aren't loading on my screen. O.o Guess I'll have to guess which scenes you're using. I'll follow your lead. Is it okay if we say Manga/Anime Eren is allowed, but only up to where the anime ends? I'll write out this part assuming you're okay with it, if you're not I guess you can ignore it. :P Also, can we make this to the death?
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Eren Jaeger is a member of the scouting legion and part of the most elite team in existence (as elite as you can be in a medieval-ish world), tasked with scouting out and trying to reclaim land beyond the walls that Mankind has been pushed behind to protect them from the Titans that have overrun the world.
I'd like to point out that Ruby used the Recoil from her Sniper Rifle to move her away from the bullets, she didn't just stand there and dodge them. Although the Red Trailer was very impressive, She was fighting fodder, mindless Beasts. Eren is far from mindless, he retains his mind in his Titan form for the most part, Until you get him pumped, then he starts rambling about wanting to devour you. xD But he's still able to control himself.
Indeed, her Aura is formidable, but how will it fair against blows like this?
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Dang, apparently I can't see my own videos either, to the manga!
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A mere slap had the power to decapitate a 50 ft tall giant and send his head flying across the city.
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Ah the nevermore scene, I knew this'd come up. But recall that Ruby needed a lot of help to set that up, Weiss had to completely disable the Nevermore's ability to move away. She has no such luxuries in this fight. Also, Titans aren't very easy to cut either. The blades that the Scouts carry is the only thing capable of doing lasting damage to a titan, everything else is a very shallow cut and heals almost immediately. So while Ruby's blade will cut them, it won't be like butter.
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Counters to your Advantages
A fair bit of martial arts skill? Eren was trained by Annie, a girl who was taught to fight for most of her life. Both he, and Mikasa were ranked at better than fighting than her.
As far as Eren's speed is concerned.
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^ In the time it took for a cannonball (which should be moving about 1,000 ft per second according to this ) to reach him, He manifested his Titan form and caught the ball out of mid air. This also is a form of counter for the Nevermore's durability. The nevermore was injured, though not seriously, by the team's attacks. Eren's partial form sustained the explosion of the cannonball with only losing his arm,
Had he manifested his full titan form, he may have been damaged less, and he undoubtedly could've dodged in his full titan form if he wasn't trying to protect Mikasa and Armin. Can you prove team RWBY's weapons to be on par with the explosion it took to injure the partial form?
I agree wholeheartedly with your skill declaration, except for the fact that Ruby's skill is with her scythe, anything else and it's... well not as good.
If you can't see the video, it's Volume 2, Chapter 12. 8:22
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I disagree with the fact that Eren would have as much trouble getting her as you're implying. Not only has he been shown to be able to react to things similar in speed to the bullets she's been shown to react to, but he's also, as shown above, been able to catch something out of the air moving at that speed with only a partial body.
In addition, Eren has superior fighting skill to Annie, and when she used her titan form she was trashing humans so effortlessly it was almost scary, (forget almost, it was)
And they're similar in combat speed, she was only barely able to dodge him most of the time
While it will be difficult, it won't be impossible.
Counters to your thesis:
I've shown him to be capable of countering these already, but as far as decapitation goes:
I don't think we've ever seen a Titan shifter regrow their head, but that's likely because they were always fighting another Titan Shifter that immediately removed them from the titan body.
Possibly advantages for Eren:
1. Eren hits hard, extremely hard, one hit from him and Ruby's going flying, if she lives that is. Here's some more stuff on his punches:
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Punches the ground so hard that his tricep explodes,
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Speaks for itself really, although be aware that Titans are supposedly extremely light.
There's more if you want.
2. Eren's healing factor
Eren can take a lot of damage and be fine, Ruby doesn't have the same luxury to my knowledge? I suppose Juan's aura healed his scratch, but that was just a scratch.
After his tricep being blown off and breaking his other wrist on the ground, a rage speech later and his arms are completely healed
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Note: I edited out most of the speech, it was mostly inner monologue and other character reactions, so getting a time frame is pretty difficult.
After he punches the Titan's head off in his initial transformation, his hand is reduced to a skeleton after the impact, seconds later it's healing fine.
After the Female titan cut off his arm, and leg, and a decent beating, a few pages later he's back doing fine.
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Later. (In the anime this is where he turned into the fire form, but since it's not allowed in this thread I'll use the manga version) After she climbs the wall and Mikasa knocks her back down, (It's unclear if he healed completely before this, his leg wasn't on panel)
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He's back to normal.
3. Eren's strength
Ruby used the Recoil of the Sniper Rifle to assist her in dragging the Nevermore, But the feat shown in the picture used in the OP shows Eren carrying a boulder easily in the 13 to 15 meter size range,
I wish I could find the calculation, I'll be sure to try to enlist some help on Comicvine, but IIRC the boulder ended up being either 500 tons or 5,000 tons. This strength level is unthinkable to Ruby, and if he gets a hold of her, she's done.
I'll try to have a legitimate calc for you next post. :P
@jeepeh: I see your post and my counter will be up today. I used the Red trailer, then 1st episode, then the Nevermore fight btw. And I can see your vids, so it must be your internet.
I'd like to point out that Ruby used the Recoil from her Sniper Rifle to move her away from the bullets, she didn't just stand there and dodge them. Although the Red Trailer was very impressive, She was fighting fodder, mindless Beasts. Eren is far from mindless, he retains his mind in his Titan form for the most part, Until you get him pumped, then he starts rambling about wanting to devour you. xD But he's still able to control himself.
She can use that here though, so it's still valid. And fighting mindless beast? That's exactly what Eren does! And I'd say most Grimm ( save for the Beowolves. They suck. ) are more dangerous than the standard Titans.
Indeed, her Aura is formidable, but how will it fair against blows like this?
Considering that the Arua's of the mooks make them bullet and sword proof, I'd say Ruby's should allow her to take at least one or two punches from Eren.
Ah the nevermore scene, I knew this'd come up. But recall that Ruby needed a lot of help to set that up, Weiss had to completely disable the Nevermore's ability to move away. She has no such luxuries in this fight. Also, Titans aren't very easy to cut either. The blades that the Scouts carry is the only thing capable of doing lasting damage to a titan, everything else is a very shallow cut and heals almost immediately. So while Ruby's blade will cut them, it won't be like butter.
Not a lot. She just needed to get 'em down. Then she decapitated it, all on her own. And remember, the Nevermore casually tanks explosions with little more than a flinch, but Ruby ripped it's head off, so she shouldn't have a problem with the Eren. I'm 100% sure that Crescent Rose, that cuts through bullet proof metal ( Roman's Mech ) and monsters, would be able to pierce Eren even better than the 3DMG swords.
In the time it took for a cannonball (which should be moving about 1,000 ft per second according to this ) to reach him, He manifested his Titan form and caught the ball out of mid air. This also is a form of counter for the Nevermore's durability. The nevermore was injured, though not seriously, by the team's attacks. Eren's partial form sustained the explosion of the cannonball with only losing his arm,
The Nevermore was injured less by the entirety of RWBY's attacks and running through a stone bridge than Eren was by a single cannonball. Not quite sure what you're trying to say here.
I don't think we've ever seen a Titan shifter regrow their head, but that's likely because they were always fighting another Titan Shifter that immediately removed them from the titan body.
Why couldn't Ruby do that? She'd cut off his head, see Eren laying inside, then unload a clip on his punk a** :P
1. Eren hits hard, extremely hard, one hit from him and Ruby's going flying, if she lives that is. Here's some more stuff on his punches:
True, but I think she could survive at least 2-3 hits, considering what the average person in the RWBYverse tanks.
Punches the ground so hard that his tricep explodes,
I feel like that would be happening a lot while he is trying to tag Ruby, considering he'll be hitting nothing but the ground most of the time.
2. Eren's healing factor
Meh. Once Ruby cuts his head off and shoots one of those body-splitting bullets into human Eren's face, he'll be out.
Ruby used the Recoil of the Sniper Rifle to assist her in dragging the Nevermore, But the feat shown in the picture used in the OP shows Eren carrying a boulder easily in the 13 to 15 meter size range,
He was going slower than a videogame escort mission character while holding that thing. Ruby was pulling the Nevermore up a cliff while moving at her normal speeds.
Rebuttal Recap:
Most of the advantages Eren has require him to actually get a hold of Ruby, which probably wouldn't happen. I mean, it's possible, but Ruby has dodged things way faster than Eren.
Once Ruby see's he has a healing factor, she'll go for the head. Once she takes off the head, she'll see human Eren. And once she sees human Eren, well, it's not gonna be pretty for him.
@jeepeh: I was missing something. I forgot to counter a part of your post XD
Had he manifested his full titan form, he may have been damaged less, and he undoubtedly could've dodged in his full titan form if he wasn't trying to protect Mikasa and Armin. Can you prove team RWBY's weapons to be on par with the explosion it took to injure the partial form?
That's really only a feat on how fast he could morph into his Titan state. His Titan hand was summoned outstretched to block the cannon, so it's not like he made his body then moved his hand to block it. Also, it's a lot easier to block something nonsentient rushing towards you than someone actively dodging your attacks.
And I totally doubt he could have dogded it in his full Titan form.
I agree wholeheartedly with your skill declaration, except for the fact that Ruby's skill is with her scythe, anything else and it's... well not as good.
Yeah.... Luckily she has Crescent Rose in this fight!
I disagree with the fact that Eren would have as much trouble getting her as you're implying. Not only has he been shown to be able to react to things similar in speed to the bullets she's been shown to react to, but he's also, as shown above, been able to catch something out of the air moving at that speed with only a partial body.
Something similar in speed that isn't alive and is heading straight for his outstretched arm. I wouldn't really call having his arm destroyed catching, simply blocking.
1. Indeed she does have it, I'm just pointing out that it's not as simple as moving, If she runs out of ammo and doesn't notice, she might end up getting whaled out of nowhere. Aim-dodging is also a possible excuse, plus I re-watched the scene carefully, and I noticed Rose petals while she was dodging:
It's debatable whether or not she was using her Semblance to assist the movement.
If she was capable of such movement all the time, why was she made such a fool of by Torchwick's guard when she lost her scythe? She should've been able to outpace him by leagues.
Another example is when she was almost hit by the car:
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Shouldn't she have seen that car coming a mile away and been able to dodge no problem?
And Eren doesn't only fight Beasts, The entire second arc was about Eren and the Female Titan, the Female Titan is a human being like Eren, she's actually more experienced with the Titan power. And if you watch her in the scene, She is scared crapless of Eren,
At least that's how I see it, you may see it differently.
the only reason she does so well is because of her ability to crystallize her skin.
Without that, she'd have been in trouble.
And I don't know about Grim being more dangerous than Titans. That pig that Weiss fought in the class room? lol. Beowolves, the slightly bigger Beowolves, for the Mammoth ones you have 15 meter Titans, and for the nevermore and Deathstalker and the two head snake, you have the Female, Colossal, Dancing, and Armored Titans.
2. Is Ruby's Aura any better than normal though? She's not like Juan who was said to have a lot of Aura. And I just watched the video to be sure, at no point does Ruby hit them with the main blade. She's just hitting them with the back, one of them was even KO'ed just by her kicking him.
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Anime Eren punches the Female Titan so hard that the shockwave explodes the rock beneath them and blows some bricks off the nearby roofs. Has Ruby been shown capable of tanking something like that? Even if she can tank a few, which she might, There's a decent chance she'll be hit multiple times. Each time damaging her more and more.
3. Explosions, by explosions you mean Yang's gauntlets? How powerful are those? I haven't seen them make an explosion like the cannonball that Eren's partial form caught.
And she needed:
Yang to bring it down,
then Weiss to immobilize it,
then Weiss and Blake to launch her to it.
Will she be able to do that with a very decent Martial artist that's just as fast as her?
4. Indeed, but are RWBY's attacks comparable to a cannonball capable of making an explosion of that level? The explosions from Yang's gauntlets are usually never larger than a person, usually less that I recall. And the main point of that was to show that the Cannonball that Eren caught was moving as fast as a bullet,
I previously showed that the cannonball was likely moving at 1,000 ft per second, and according to Yahoo answers
And considering that Eren has the time to transform AND catch it, I'd say they're very similar speed-wise.
5. After she goes through his head, assuming she can get that much of an advantage on him before he pummels her, He'd be on the ground unconscious and she'd be elsewhere, probably a hundred feet away or so, thinking she won until Eren gets back up. Even if she did see him, it's unlikely that she'd think it's necessary to unload into a kid inside a monster. For all she knows, Eren might've been a victim to the giant that she had just "killed". It's also assuming that Eren will be exposed after he's decapitated, after the Female Titan kicked Eren's head off, She had to rip the neck open to get to him.
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You can also see that Eren is obstructed by the steam from his healing/body's heat. So even if she would, she couldn't see him.
6. After a time or two, Eren wouldn't be stupid enough to just keep whaling the ground, he'd likely try to grab or stomp on her. This is also assuming she's staying on the ground, which I find unlikely,
7. Assuming she can, though. See #5
8. He wasn't running or anything, but he was walking pretty normally. And unless the Nevermore weighs 5,000 tons, Eren still wins. xD And the recoil of her sniper won't help her if he gets a hold of her and starts squeezing. I found that metaphor rather funny though, xD
Rebuttal Recap Rebuttal(Heh):
1. I feel like I didn't explain my point in #4 very well, but based on quick google searches, it's shown that they should be about the same speed.
To be honest, all either of us have that puts our characters over human level speed, is one high end feat that's very questionable. I suggest we mark them both at normal speed, or both at bullet speed.
Forgotten part Rebuttal:
1. He didn't merely block it, he caught it in his hand after transforming. I don't see much reason why he couldn't have dodged it if he actually had his full body already and not needing to protect two other people. I see it much like catching a baseball, except this baseball blew your arm off. xD If you see a baseball coming at you, you could get out of the way right? Even moreso with Eren since he's a trained combatant.
2. Unless Eren tags her, which he likely could, and in the midst of flying across the city, assuming she survives, loses her grip on it.(which is kinda likely) Then it's Bye-Bye Ruby-Chan. She lost grip of her scythe when Roman shot her in Season 1, which was nowhere near close to how hard Eren would be punching her.
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3. He caught it, the explosion is centered on where his hand would be, the explosion just blew his arm off. If he had missed then his torso would've been blown open and Mikasa and Armin probably would've been killed.
4. Quick question, are you picturing Ruby changing her path mid-air indefinitely? I don't think she could do that, and if she does She'll run out of ammo eventually. And one mis-step could mean being sent Air-Mail to meet Summer Rose.
K, I think I got everything. Sorry for such a late reply.
1. Indeed she does have it, I'm just pointing out that it's not as simple as moving, If she runs out of ammo and doesn't notice, she might end up getting whaled out of nowhere. Aim-dodging is also a possible excuse, plus I re-watched the scene carefully, and I noticed Rose petals while she was dodging:
I don't think she'll run out of ammo considering she never has before. She mowed down an entire army of Beowolves before having to change clips in the trailer, so I think she'll be good here. And both of those are possible excuses, but even if they are she has other speed feats.
If she was capable of such movement all the time, why was she made such a fool of by Torchwick's guard when she lost her scythe? She should've been able to outpace him by leagues.
Because plot. I honestly think that was some BS because she has been shown to move at high speeds more times than not.
2. Is Ruby's Aura any better than normal though? She's not like Juan who was said to have a lot of Aura. And I just watched the video to be sure, at no point does Ruby hit them with the main blade. She's just hitting them with the back, one of them was even KO'ed just by her kicking him.
I dunno. Even if it's not normal people take shotgun blasts to the face and punches that can knock around cars ( Yellow trailer ), so it's not bad.
Anime Eren punches the Female Titan so hard that the shockwave explodes the rock beneath them and blows some bricks off the nearby roofs. Has Ruby been shown capable of tanking something like that? Even if she can tank a few, which she might, There's a decent chance she'll be hit multiple times. Each time damaging her more and more.
I don't think so, but I also don't think Eren is tagging her with punches.
3. Explosions, by explosions you mean Yang's gauntlets? How powerful are those? I haven't seen them make an explosion like the cannonball that Eren's partial form caught.
I do. And it's not as big, but she shot multiple of them into it's face and inside of it and it was hardly stunned.
And she needed:
Yang to bring it down,
then Weiss to immobilize it,
then Weiss and Blake to launch her to it.
Will she be able to do that with a very decent Martial artist that's just as fast as her?
Then she pulled it up a cliff and ripped it's head off. I was really only using that as a strength feat anyways.
And where are you getting just as fast as her from? Once you show me Eren blitzing a dozen or so monsters before the shells to his gun can hit the ground, then you can call him as fast as Ruby.
4. Indeed, but are RWBY's attacks comparable to a cannonball capable of making an explosion of that level? The explosions from Yang's gauntlets are usually never larger than a person, usually less that I recall. And the main point of that was to show that the Cannonball that Eren caught was moving as fast as a bullet,
Nope, but running through a bridge unscathed is.
5. After she goes through his head, assuming she can get that much of an advantage on him before he pummels her, He'd be on the ground unconscious and she'd be elsewhere, probably a hundred feet away or so, thinking she won until Eren gets back up. Even if she did see him, it's unlikely that she'd think it's necessary to unload into an unconscious/seemingly dead kid inside a monster. For all she knows, Eren might've been a victim to the giant that she had just "killed". It's also assuming that Eren will be exposed after he's decapitated, after the Female Titan kicked Eren's head off, She had to rip the neck open to get to him.
Why? Doesn't he just stay in the neck of the dead Titan after it is decapitated, like in the Female Titan fight? Why would he be 100 feet away? And you said that she thinks Titan Eren just killed her mom in the intro, she'll definitely be willing to finish him off. As for him not being exposed, she's be decapitating him at the middle or bottom of the neck, so he'd be exposed enough.
6. After a time or two, Eren wouldn't be stupid enough to just keep whaling the ground, he'd likely try to grab or stomp on her. This is also assuming she's staying on the ground, which I find unlikely,
All it takes is one time, then bam! You got Ruby running up your broken arm up to your weak spot.
8. He wasn't running or anything, but he was walking pretty normally. And unless the Nevermore weighs 5,000 tons, Eren still wins. xD And the recoil of her sniper won't help her if he gets a hold of her and starts squeezing. I found that metaphor rather funny though, xD
Yeah, but it's still pretty good for a little girl with a scythe.
And thanks, I try. :P
1. He didn't merely block it, he caught it in his hand after transforming. I don't see much reason why he couldn't have dodged it if he actually had his full body already and not needing to protect two other people. I see it much like catching a baseball, except this baseball blew your arm off. xD If you see a baseball coming at you, you could get out of the way right? Even moreso with Eren since he's a trained combatant.
Not if that baseball is going faster than I can move. I'd have time think something like "Oh sh!t" then I'd be hit. That's pretty much what Eren did, but instead of mentally swearing, he thought and formed a Titan meat-shield.
3. He caught it, the explosion is centered on where his hand would be, the explosion just blew his arm off. If he had missed then his torso would've been blown open and Mikasa and Armin probably would've been killed.
I don't think he did. Like I said, he summoned the Titan in the position to block the cannonball, so it didn't require any movement on his part. And again, it was coming right for him in a straight path, not dodging his fist all over the place.
4. Quick question, are you picturing Ruby changing her path mid-air indefinitely? I don't think she could do that, and if she does She'll run out of ammo eventually. And one mis-step could mean being sent Air-Mail to meet Summer Rose.
No, I don't. I'm picturing the fight going like this: Eren punches at Ruby and blows half his arm off because he hit the ground because Ruby is too fast to get tagged by a punch coming from 45 away. Then, Ruby takes this chance to run her way up Eren's arm at her full speeds, getting to his head in mere seconds. Last, Ruby lobs off his head with a swish or two of Crescent Rose, sees Eren inside, and shoots him in the face.
Too Everything I Didn't Counter:
Most of the things I didn't counter revolve around Eren actually getting ahold of Ruby, which I still don't see happening. He's not getting her while she's on the ground because his arms are 45 feet up and he's not bending over and punching at this little bullet timer all before she can react. Nor is he stomping on her, because that still requires him to lift and bring down his leg, which takes about 1-2 seconds, which is long enough for Ruby to get out the way. And once she starts running around on his arm, he's definitely not touching her considering that he'd have to move his other arm all the way over and swat at Ruby, who wouldn't even be in the same place as when he started the movement. He's just continuously bust up himself with punches.
That took QUITE A FEW swings from all of them before any part of it was even remotely damaged. Not only did she cut it at a joint, she also had Blake's help. All of the swings prior to that did absolutely nothing.
1. But she will run out eventually. And she does? What are they?
2. What times are those?
3. A shotgun and moving cars is absolute nothing compared to Eren's hits.
4. And why not? There are many reasons to think he might.
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It took him about a second or less to punch at Mikasa. Ruby will likely be mid-air while he's swatting at her, and the most that she could do would be try to use the recoil to change her direction, which would also blow her off course of her attack.
5. I doubt a shotgun would've done much different to Eren in the same situation. And anything it DID do would be healed unless it hit his human body (which heals too as long as he's alive). Which would be quite lucky.
6. Where was her strength used? She was using her Recoil the entire way up to pull it. Also, If her scythe was so sharp to easily kill it, why was it dragged into the mountain at all? Why wasn't it just decapitated to begin with? She must've needed a lot of leverage and stuff to decapitate it since it wasn't killed the first time. The bird's neck was on the blade the entire way up. It should've died then, but it didn't. She needed a lot of extra force.
7. Said blitzing was done because she was going in a straight line using her rifle (with the special ammo that she's only used once after running out in the normal) to build up momentum. If she's launching towards him and he decides to... I don't know, step to the right a few feet... what's she going to do? What if he ducks under a building and punches her upwards? You're talking about very precise aiming to do what you're saying, any tiny movement from Eren would move her off target and be very difficult to correct precisely.
8. A stone bridge, the same ones that are similar to the castle that humans lived in, the same humans that were driven to extinction by the normal titans. xP
And that bridge is only a few feet thick. And likely made a long freakin' time ago, considering RWBY is in the future, right?
A normal Titan's mangled head, after already flying across the city, seriously messed up the tower it landed it, leaving practically no additional damage to the titan head itself that Eren didn't already cause.
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And for fun here's Eren running through a 50 ft tall building with absolutely 0 effort
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And here's Eren punching the Female Titan through a similarly sized stone Church, with 0 damage done to herself
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9. He'd be 100 ft away because Ruby'd need to be moving quickly to get an Advantage over Eren like that, and assuming she can go through him instead of pulling him over like the Nevermore, she'd likely continue going through him and keep going before landing. She's not just gonna decapitate him then drop like a rock to where he falls.
Yes, she thinks Titan Eren killed her mom. She doesn't know what the heck's up with this kid inside this monster. Maybe Eren ate him and he got stuck in the throat? (pictures Titan Eren choking on normal eren) xD
Middle or bottom? Why not right below the chin?
Although I do need to correct something I said, I looked more in depth and his entire head wasn't blown off, there was a tiny bit of his jaw level left after the Female Titan kicked his head off.
But again, I must stress how it's questionable whether or not Ruby will decapitate him, or simply pull him over and need more leverage to cut, as with the nevermore.
10. Can't Eren just like... smack his arm into a building? ~_~ Now she's lying in a building like "... Ow" *BAM* Eren just starts whaling on her.
And the same is true of you, all it takes is one misstep with her recoil and she's going into the ground hard. Or being squeezed by the same hands that lifted 5,000 tons until she pops. Or flying through the city, likely losing grip on her scythe.
11. "Thought and formed a tiny meat shield" He bit his hand, transformed and moved his hand into position (while it was still forming) to catch it. That's hardly shown to be faster than he can move. It was already forming in the path of the Ball, he had to think to put his hand there, he doesn't just turn into a titan with his hands in the air every time. xD
And Ruby won't be able to "dodge his fist all over the place". If she's heading towards him in mid air and he swings, the most she could probably do is shoot to the side to go around him, but now she's behind him, either going towards the ground or further into the air, and she'll need to cancel the momentum she already has and go back to him before he turns around, which she's never shown to do. When she's in mid air she only goes in a straight line. Even in the video against the gangsters, she shot, stopped moving, shot, stopped moving. She didn't shoot, turn around and shoot behind her to stop her movement, then shoot again to get going again. That just wouldn't work well. While you're trying to cancel your movement, I'm roundhouse kicking you into a building. xD
12. Mere seconds is far too slow. While she's midway up his arm he'll just swat his arm into a building. Or throw it up and launch you into the air.
Recap:
Your vision of how this fight goes has a few problems.
1. Ruby likely won't be on the ground, if they're starting 300 ft apart, then she'll be jumping on the buildings and stuff, at which point something like this is possible:
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Keep in mind that these characters are moving pretty dang quickly and with better control over their movements then Ruby is with her recoil.
2. While Ruby's running up his arm, IF that situation happens, which it probably won't due to 1. He can get her off easily enough by smacking his arm into a building in a second, which she hasn't been shown to tank building level things, and he's gone through buildings before, so he won't be hurt by it.
3. Eren has durability about as good if not better than the Nevermore, which Ruby required a lot of leverage to cut, so IF she does get to Eren's head, all she'll likely do is pull him over.... Maybe.
4. Ruby only has so much control over her movements, she won't be able to dodge him indefinitely.
5. Eren punched at Mikasa in a second or less, so it won't take as long as you're picturing for him to attack.
6. Why is Ruby hanging around on the ground so much? She'll probably be bouncing off the tops/sides of all the buildings around.
7. The speed you're talking about was only achieved with special magazines that she's only used once after running out of the normal ones. By the time she thinks to use those, she'll likely already be dead.
8. IF Ruby decapitates him, which she probably won't, then he can heal as long as she doesn't hit the nape.
Your turn, good sir. Btw, I've never completed a CaV before, when we do stop and start the voting? xD
Your turn, good sir. Btw, I've never completed a CaV before, when we do stop and start the voting? xD
Whenever ya want really. Want to make your next post the last before voting?
And she does? What are they?
2. What times are those?
Running and parkuring off of falling debris, blitzing dozens of monsters in less than a second or so, ya know.
It took him about a second or less to punch at Mikasa. Ruby will likely be mid-air while he's swatting at her, and the most that she could do would be try to use the recoil to change her direction, which would also blow her off course of her attack.
A stationary Mikasa who wasn't expecting attack. And why in the world would Ruby be in mid-air? What kind of thinking does it take for one to think it's a good idea to try and fly around on your sniper scythe against this kind of opponent? Ruby isn't an idiot.
5. I doubt a shotgun would've done much different to Eren in the same situation. And anything it DID do would be healed unless it hit his human body (which heals too as long as he's alive). Which would be quite lucky.
It would definitely break skin. Not like it matters in this fight though.
6. Where was her strength used? She was using her Recoil the entire way up to pull it. Also, If her scythe was so sharp to easily kill it, why was it dragged into the mountain at all? Why wasn't it just decapitated to begin with? She must've needed a lot of leverage and stuff to decapitate it since it wasn't killed the first time. The bird's neck was on the blade the entire way up. It should've died then, but it didn't. She needed a lot of extra force.
Ok, then it was the recoils strength. Whatevs. Still strong enough to pierce Eren, who can get cut by 3DMG blades.
7. Said blitzing was done because she was going in a straight line using her rifle (with the special ammo that she's only used once after running out in the normal) to build up momentum. If she's launching towards him and he decides to... I don't know, step to the right a few feet... what's she going to do? What if he ducks under a building and punches her upwards? You're talking about very precise aiming to do what you're saying, any tiny movement from Eren would move her off target and be very difficult to correct precisely.
She would do that up Eren's arm. He can't sidestep if she's on him.
9. He'd be 100 ft away because Ruby'd need to be moving quickly to get an Advantage over Eren like that, and assuming she can go through him instead of pulling him over like the Nevermore, she'd likely continue going through him and keep going before landing. She's not just gonna decapitate him then drop like a rock to where he falls.
Why not? The way I'm seeing it she'd run up his arm going fast, reach the neck and hook Crescent Rose around it, decapitating him. Going through that much skin should stop her enough so that she won't go flying. Then she could just stay onto the body as it falls.
Yes, she thinks Titan Eren killed her mom. She doesn't know what the heck's up with this kid inside this monster. Maybe Eren ate him and he got stuck in the throat? (pictures Titan Eren choking on normal eren) xD
You never said Titan Eren when you made the rules...
10. Can't Eren just like... smack his arm into a building? ~_~ Now she's lying in a building like "... Ow" *BAM* Eren just starts whaling on her.
Nah. She'd be already on his shoulder by the time he can realise she's there, lift his tricepless arm out the ground, and punch it into a building.
11. "Thought and formed a tiny meat shield" He bit his hand, transformed and moved his hand into position (while it was still forming) to catch it. That's hardly shown to be faster than he can move. It was already forming in the path of the Ball, he had to think to put his hand there, he doesn't just turn into a titan with his hands in the air every time. xD
Don't misquote mee! I said Titan meat shield :P
And are you sure about that? It sure looks like it was spawned in that position, but I'll take your word for it. Still not as impressive as a speedster running away from you.
And Ruby won't be able to "dodge his fist all over the place". If she's heading towards him in mid air and he swings, the most she could probably do is shoot to the side to go around him, but now she's behind him, either going towards the ground or further into the air, and she'll need to cancel the momentum she already has and go back to him before he turns around, which she's never shown to do. When she's in mid air she only goes in a straight line. Even in the video against the gangsters, she shot, stopped moving, shot, stopped moving. She didn't shoot, turn around and shoot behind her to stop her movement, then shoot again to get going again. That just wouldn't work well. While you're trying to cancel your movement, I'm roundhouse kicking you into a building. xD
She wouldn't be in mid-air, she'd be on his body.
1. Ruby likely won't be on the ground, if they're starting 300 ft apart, then she'll be jumping on the buildings and stuff, at which point something like this is possible:
Why? It's be more sensical to just wait for him to attack you, then counter attack. And we've seen that Ruby can stratigize pretty well.
2. While Ruby's running up his arm, IF that situation happens, which it probably won't due to 1. He can get her off easily enough by smacking his arm into a building in a second, which she hasn't been shown to tank building level things, and he's gone through buildings before, so he won't be hurt by it.
I've been through that already.
3. Eren has durability about as good if not better than the Nevermore, which Ruby required a lot of leverage to cut, so IF she does get to Eren's head, all she'll likely do is pull him over.... Maybe.
Eren can be cut by 3DMG blades and can shatter his hand on other Titans faces.
5. Eren punched at Mikasa in a second or less, so it won't take as long as you're picturing for him to attack.
While she was elevated on a building and standing still.
6. Why is Ruby hanging around on the ground so much? She'll probably be bouncing off the tops/sides of all the buildings around.
Because that's the smart thing to do, and Ruby is smart.
7. The speed you're talking about was only achieved with special magazines that she's only used once after running out of the normal ones. By the time she thinks to use those, she'll likely already be dead.
She could change into that clip before Eren even gets to her at that distance.
Yeah. I think I got it all. This debate has been really fun btw, but I think I wanna open it up soon.
Man, these guys are killing me with all the callouts to Bleach threads. xD
Um, I'm okay with that if you want. I'm just finding it hard to have enough time for all this suddenly. xP
1. Jumping on rocks doesn't mean much to being a bullet timer. xD And I already gave a reason for the blitzing, I'll see if you replied to that part below.
2. The fact that it took less than a second to do still stands. And if she's not in mid air at some point, how is she going to get to him? He's standing in the road between buildings. She has to do something eventually if she wants to do anything more than nip at is heels. Or hope he bothers to punch at her, instead of doing what he did to a smaller opponent
3. Oh it would probably break the skin, but not enough that wouldn't be healed within seconds. Btw, does Yang's gauntlets shoot bullets at all or is it just concussive force type of stuff?
4. The Omni-Directional Maneuver Gear isn't any old sword. I'll have to steal a bit from the Manga here, if you don't want this to be considered I'll put it in spoilers for you to ignore, but the fact remains true before the series began:
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And that was on a rather small titan.
I only know about this because I read a bit after the female titan arc before deciding I'd rather wait for the anime and stuff
Doing it wrong (hitting too hard? Idk), even if it kills the Titan, dulls the blades immediately.
Still want an answer for why the blade didn't decapitate it immediately. :P
5. Um... She's not physically attached to his arm, so what's stopping him? xD
6. I didn't say it, but you did.
LOL. xD I'm so mean.
7. You said she'd be there in "mere seconds". I've shown Eren to throw an aimed punch in under a second. And the only time she's done the only indisputable speed feat you showed was with Ammo that she won't be using until quite a few minutes into the fight, in character.
And again, why are you assuming Eren will be punching the ground? And why automatically hard enough to be blowing his tricep off? He punched the ground with the other hand and it didn't do nearly as much damage to himself as on the other arm.
That's not his only option, and I still have doubts that Ruby would be on the ground at all.
8. It was formed in that position, but he had to think to put it in that position. He doesn't just transform with his hands in the air every time he transforms. And again, she was likely using her semblance to aid that movement, as well as beginning to move before the guy actually shot. She didn't see the bullet coming and move, she said "Oh crap that guy's pointing a gun at me, better move"
Ruby's average is not shown to be that fast without her semblance, (once something starts happening more than the original, it's no longer PIS, it's fact) that, plus all of the earlier things, leads me to believe that she is not a bullet time without her Semblence.
9. I'm not talking about your intended scenario, I'm talking about you saying that she'll "dodge his punches all over the place"
10. What part of countering REQUIRES her to be on the ground? She can't jump on his arm from a building?
11. You mean the blades BUILT to kill Titans? ._. And even then they still have a chance to become useless after just one swing? xD I still want a reason why Ruby pulled the Nevermore with the blade instead of going through it. She can't drag Eren like the Nevermore, he has these things called opposable thumbs. He can reach back and grab her. xD And I hardly see breaking his hand on their faces as an excuse. If you punched a person's head clean off and across the room, do you think your hand would be in any kind of decent shape? xD I was just saying that the Bridge thing wasn't exactly an amazing feat. And the rest of RWBY's weapons are debatable. Btw, what kind of DC feats do Yang's gauntlets even have? The only one I can think of is destroying the Robot suit, but that was an amped punch that didn't happen with the Nevermore.
12. Mikasa's position doesn't matter, the fact that he performed a well aimed punch within a second does.
13. Ruby doesn't know Eren's level of Durability, Speed, or intelligence. You don't just rush into something before knowing anything about it. She tried that with the deathstalker and she ended up running for her life.
14. Oh she can change it, but that would be VERY out of character for her, and the OP doesn't say anything about them being out of character, just that they're determined to win.
@jeepeh: Oh, so you pull out all the stumps on the last post, do ya?! XD
Well this has been super fun man. Can't edit the thread because I'm on mobile, but you can go ahead and Callout the people for votes if you feel like it.
I got the three above. Want to put this in the Advertising thread or whatever? ( This one: http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/the-battle-promotion-thread-1635473/#34 )
Awesome battle, I saw Joewell mention this on the 'Draw one, Ask one' thread and it got my mind ticking as to who would actually win in a battle.
Didn't know too much about Ruby Rose before seeing this, after some examination I think Ruby might be a bit too much for Eren to handle at this point. Once he progresses and masters his titan form, I don't think there's much Ruby would be able to do to him.
I'm not the best artist but I attempted to draw Ruby vs. Eren.
@joewell: Um, isn't the voting on who debated the best, not who would win? O_o Unless I've completely misunderstood CaV's this entire time, which... is possible. xD
@hellsender: @jeepeh: That's exactly what we're voting on. I Just thought that's what he meant, considering that he said he didn't know much about Ruby and I was still able to convince him to say she wins. I could be wrong though. Can you clarify Hellsender?
@joewell: @jeepeh: Sorry guys, I misread the first post and posted without being tagged in. Do you guys mind if I get a vote?
I have to say that you both debated incredibly, this was a highly entertaining read! If my vote is allowed to go through, I'll have to say that Joewell won me over with his points. I came into this knowing plenty about Eren but very little about Ruby and I can honestly say that Joewell did an excellent job in exposing the flaws in Eren's offence and defence to which Ruby would have a large advantage over.
@jeepeh: @joewell: First and foremost, let me say well done. You both debated commendably and I flip-flopped on my decision a couple times. If this was strictly who I think would win, I would've gone with Ruby, especially if she had her semblance. Without it, it probably would be more of an uphill battle, but I still wouldn't have been willing to give Eren the win outright. But I digress.
This is about who debated the best, and in that regard, I have to give it to @jeepeh and Eren. He was able to effectively counter and in some instances, outdo every "advantage" that Ruby was supposed to have. I said in my first post that restricting the use of Ruby's semblance was risky, and he took full advantage of that, showing how she used her scythe as a boost and for maneuverability, and how Eren has feats that bridge the gap in their speed (at least without her semblance). He also made some great points regarding the actual cutting power of Crescent Rose (how true they are, I'm not sure, but good points nonetheless) and whether or not she'd shoot a lifeless body inside a seemingly dead Titan.
Lastly, and I mean no disrespect to Joewell at all, but Jeepeh was clearer in his explanations and went into much more detail (even finding calcs online). On top of all that, he seemed to have quite a bit of knowledge on both combatants, whereas Joewell seemed to know much more about Ruby than Eren (as evidenced by his own admission of only watching the first half of show). For all these reasons, I give this to Jeepeh. Once again, great job guys.
RWBY, I don't think RWBY could keep up with Black Rock Shooter. Even Coco might be in trouble.
At least I've heard of Fullmetal Alchemist, I have no idea on their power level.
Heroes of Olympus, wut?
Fairy Tail may be too OP, not sure. Don't know enough.
Avatar.... that might be okay. If I have a accurate gauge of their power level based on the final battle video I saw. xD Certain restrictions may be required though.
@jeepeh: All of those verse's are high street ( Except FT who are mostly mid-tier ). If that guy can contend with the likes of Superman and Doomsday I got nothing that can keep up.
@joewell: Eh, well there's not much to go from. I could give you a 40 minute video and it would legitimately give you all the info on them. xD Here's a picture for a start.
Think Ed would be a good fight? He can transmute stuff, meaning he can take the area around him and bend it to his will.
Or maybe King Bradely, who's a super speed swordman with an eye that can see weaknesses.
Or Percy Jackson, a the Demigod son of Poisiden that control water and duel with the God of War, Ares.
Oh, she's deadly. She solo'd an army of evil skeletons, a huge skeleton with a huge hammer, a freaking GIANT MADE OF SKELETONS and the leader, another chick with a Scythe (Scythe's an auto +1 in my book).
And throughout all that crap, no matter what happened to her, she was perfectly fine. She didn't actually get injured until she turned into "Insane BRS".
Even then she pretty much solo'd the entire verse one at a time. xD Rainbow power cannon that cracked the universe reverted her to normal and Plot-Kai friendship speech (It wasn't nearly that cheesy, it's actually a pretty dark series. Only 8 episodes long) made her a Protagonist, instead of an Anti-Villain that she was before. Or was she an anti-hero? I think Anti-hero is closer. Idfk.
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