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#1 Edited by KrleAvenger (26081 posts) - - Show Bio

Challenge - A - Viner

Welcome to CaV where the two of us will be representing characters in one of the most popular Marvel vs DC match-ups that was argued by comic book fans for years. DC's first Robin and former sidekick of Batman, Dick Grayson Nightwing will face Marvel's Man Without Fear, the Red Man Daredevil himself.

@batman3000 vs @krleavenger
@batman3000 vs @krleavenger

The Rules

  • Combatants are in character but both are determined to win.
  • Standard knowledge about each other.
  • No Prep Time.
  • No BFR.
  • Standard Equipment and no amps.
  • Pre-Flashpoint Dick Grayson as Nightwing.
  • 616 Daredevil (Matt Murdock).
  • Win by Death/Incap/KO.

Location

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Nightwing starts at one side on the rooftop, Daredevil on the other side.

Voting

This is a Challenge a Viner, a special type of battle forum where two debaters can have a nice argument between the two of them so we would appreciate if you would not interfere with that. Please don't make us call the mods.

Please don't say who you think would win until the debate is completely over. Again another reason why the debaters call the mods.

Ask to be tagged and you'll be reserved for voting at the end when you the debate is done. Even those who are not tagged and didn't ask to be tagged are still allowed to vote.

Keep your negative comments to yourself or at-least bring them forth when the debate is over. If some of us made a mistake bring it up but NOT BEFORE THE DEBATE IS OVER. Also please do not flood the thread with unneeded comments like talking about your own stuff or posting funny stuff unless you asked to be tagged in those comments.

Thanks for understanding and I hope you will enjoy.

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#2 Posted by KrleAvenger (26081 posts) - - Show Bio
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#4 Posted by KrleAvenger (26081 posts) - - Show Bio
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#5 Posted by Batman3000 (5652 posts) - - Show Bio
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#6 Posted by KrleAvenger (26081 posts) - - Show Bio

@batman3000: Yeah sure. Also I take back on what I said that Nightwing is overrated. He is not at all.

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#7 Posted by AcroKat (7384 posts) - - Show Bio
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#8 Posted by KrleAvenger (26081 posts) - - Show Bio

@acrokat: Because I do but all of them are finished LOL :)

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#11 Posted by Vertigo- (17820 posts) - - Show Bio

@batman3000: Excited to see someone rep Nightwing finally lol, considering I'm just about to start reading the character

T4V

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#12 Posted by Vertigo- (17820 posts) - - Show Bio

@krleavenger: one of these days, Krle, I wanna do a CaV with you. It'd be a good time

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#13 Posted by Batman3000 (5652 posts) - - Show Bio
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#16 Posted by DSTREET45 (5281 posts) - - Show Bio

T4V

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#19 Posted by AcroKat (7384 posts) - - Show Bio
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#22 Edited by KrleAvenger (26081 posts) - - Show Bio

@batman3000: Should I? Or should I show people how a lawyer has no problem on beating up someone? LOL joke. Also can you please call jashro to delete those guys comments?

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#23 Posted by KrleAvenger (26081 posts) - - Show Bio
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#25 Posted by Batman3000 (5652 posts) - - Show Bio
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#26 Posted by KrleAvenger (26081 posts) - - Show Bio

@batman3000: Also tell him to delete those unneeded comments.

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#27 Posted by Batman3000 (5652 posts) - - Show Bio
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#28 Posted by ASGARDIANBRONY (11629 posts) - - Show Bio

T4V!

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#29 Posted by lubub55 (12941 posts) - - Show Bio

T4V.

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#30 Posted by AllStarSuperman (43248 posts) - - Show Bio

Limiting Grayson so Daredevil has a chance? Lame.

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#31 Edited by KrleAvenger (26081 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman: Stop trolling or I'll call the mods. Even if you are joking it is really not appreciated. Also I have no idea what your talking about. What limitations?

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#32 Edited by BruceRogers (17456 posts) - - Show Bio

Limiting Grayson so Daredevil has a chance? Lame.

Yeah, I am curious too. What limitations are you talking about?

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#34 Posted by DSTREET45 (5281 posts) - - Show Bio

@errorinscript:

1. Why did you tag me?

2. This is a CAV. Only the two users can argue here.

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#36 Edited by jashro44 (53144 posts) - - Show Bio

@errorinscript said:

@dstreet45: WHAT there are more than 2 users her. plus im tagin you to tell you that BB=atman can easily pwn daredevil its a spite thread bra.

Challenge a viner threads are meant for the contestants. Leave this thread. Warning for trolling.

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#38 Posted by KrleAvenger (26081 posts) - - Show Bio

@batman3000: If you want I can make the opener instead. Or your post will come soon?

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#39 Posted by Batman3000 (5652 posts) - - Show Bio
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#41 Posted by KrleAvenger (26081 posts) - - Show Bio

@batman3000: Hey, I'm not gonna tell you how to debate but if you want, we could just show voters some capabilities of our characters and not debate and then start a debate on the next post. I mean if you are not doing it that way than ok.

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#42 Posted by Revan- (7959 posts) - - Show Bio

I guess everyone forgot about this one. Anyway T4V

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#43 Posted by KrleAvenger (26081 posts) - - Show Bio

@revan2424: We did not. Batman3000 is just too busy.

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#44 Posted by deactivated-5a794b61068b8 (7203 posts) - - Show Bio

T4V.

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#45 Posted by Batman3000 (5652 posts) - - Show Bio

@krleavenger: Well actually my post is all saved and done but I'm out and on my phone atm. I can mdify to soley capabilities and all that. When I get back I'll put it up.

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#46 Posted by KrleAvenger (26081 posts) - - Show Bio
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#47 Posted by Batman3000 (5652 posts) - - Show Bio

@krleavenger Here it is. This is gonna be fun :)

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Richard "Dick" ( I always cringed at that nickname :p) Grayson was a promising acrobat for Haly's Circus. He was part of his parents act "The Flying Graysons" who dared to perform without the safety of a net. However when Mr. Haly (who runs an honest business) refused to pay Tony Zucco protection money he sabotaged the equipment Richards parents had used that night leading to their death. Bruce Wayne was there when all of this happened. Dick found out it was Zucco who caused his parents. When Bruce found this he decided to leave this to the Batman to notify the young boy that if he told the cops anything it would lead to his inevitable death. Seeing a piece of him in Richard he takes him under his wing, revealed he was Batman and trained him to be his first sidekick and arguably most skilled sidekick. Because of his acrobatic background and honing his skills under Batman Dick has become (arguably) the most agile peak human in the DCU.

Strength

Kicks Stallion out the back of a Semi locked by his Escrima Stick.
Kicks Stallion out the back of a Semi locked by his Escrima Stick.
Smashes KG Beast's head (by throwing him) with enough force to leave a hole in concrete/brick.
Smashes KG Beast's head (by throwing him) with enough force to leave a hole in concrete/brick.
SQUATTING AN ORCA'S MOUTH!
SQUATTING AN ORCA'S MOUTH!
Throws Escrima stick hard enough to shatter rock monster.
Throws Escrima stick hard enough to shatter rock monster.

Agility/Speed

This is where Richard shines.

I'm gonna hold off on posting off on posting a lot because I wanna save most for when we get deep into the debate.

Officially the
Officially the "World's Greatest Acrobat"
Climbs the Eiffel Tower without gear.
Climbs the Eiffel Tower without gear.
Dodges Jesse Quick's Speed-kick.
Dodges Jesse Quick's Speed-kick.
Stated by Catwoman to be faster/ faster in combat than Batman.
Stated by Catwoman to be faster/ faster in combat than Batman.

Skill

Apologies for bad quality after scan had to zoom in so you can actually read the sentence. Anyways
Apologies for bad quality after scan had to zoom in so you can actually read the sentence. Anyways "Second only to Batman"....

https://youtu.be/2-6gTS1dM2U

Does very well against Batman.

http://imgur.com/a/KYz6y#0

Adapts to Hwa Wang in little time.

These I feel are the most relevant here for now. I'll delve deeper into these areas next post.

- Gear

- More Skill

- More Strength if necessary.

- Speed and agility

- Escrima Sticks

I'll refrain from posting my plan as you've said we can do basic posts and get deeper in the debate later but for now I want t list the advantages I think Nightwing has.

+ Strength

+ Gear

+ Overall Stats

+ Agility

= Stealth. I'd like to think I'm an expert on Dardevil but perhaps you have something on his radar sense to counter nearly Batman-like stealth (I'll also get into stealth next post as well.)

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#48 Posted by KrleAvenger (26081 posts) - - Show Bio
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#49 Posted by Batman3000 (5652 posts) - - Show Bio
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#50 Posted by Batman3000 (5652 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump for voters. @llehdevil Thought you might be interested.