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#1 Edited by deactivated-5c0b60e7cb512 (1483 posts) - - Show Bio

CAV

New 52 Superman(Represented by @shaurya1230)

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SSB Goku (Represented by @kryptonianpride)

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Rules

  • New 52 and SSB versions of each character
  • Takes place on a leftover earth
  • No holding back
  • Sun-dipping feats and kaio-ken are not allowed
  • Win by death or KO

For the Viners

  • We would appreciate you saving your thoughts until it is time to vote
  • Do not vote on who you think should win, but on who had the better argument
  • Other than that enjoy
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#2 Edited by deactivated-5c0b60e7cb512 (1483 posts) - - Show Bio
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#3 Posted by The_Red_Devil (3302 posts) - - Show Bio

Tag for Vote , I don't know much about Goku though.

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#4 Posted by deactivated-5c0b60e7cb512 (1483 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_red_devil: I see , there is not a respect thread of SSB as far as i know so i cannot provide the link you see , sorry about that..

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#5 Edited by EmperorThanos- (15501 posts) - - Show Bio

A new person debating DB. Interesting. Though I have little hope for this CaV, tag me after every Goku post. Just so I can read.

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#6 Posted by RukelnikovFTW (5739 posts) - - Show Bio

Tag for Vote , I don't know much about Goku though.

@the_red_devil: I see , there is not a respect thread of SSB as far as i know so i cannot provide the link you see , sorry about that..

Well, the good thing of a CAV is that it doesn't really matter whether you know the characters or not, you should vote for the viner you think provides the better arguments, not the character you think would win in a fight ;)

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#7 Posted by Supermanthor (4908 posts) - - Show Bio

Tav

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#8 Posted by kryptonianpride (1392 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanks for the C.A.V.

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#9 Posted by deactivated-5c0b60e7cb512 (1483 posts) - - Show Bio
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#10 Posted by InvadedTBD (34 posts) - - Show Bio

Tag after every post please :)

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#11 Posted by XLR87T3 (9100 posts) - - Show Bio

Tag after every post please :)

LMAO this is your first post? In a CaV like this?

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#12 Posted by Oreoghoul (1547 posts) - - Show Bio

@xlr87t3 said:
@invadedtbd said:

Tag after every post please :)

LMAO this is your first post? In a CaV like this?

probably an alt

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#13 Posted by InvadedTBD (34 posts) - - Show Bio

@xlr87t3: yeah interested in the debate didn’t know that was against the law

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#14 Posted by InvadedTBD (34 posts) - - Show Bio

@oreoghoul: nah not an alt just brand new to the vine

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#15 Edited by deactivated-5c0b60e7cb512 (1483 posts) - - Show Bio

Opener

Superman

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Abilities

1) Super strength

2) Super speed

3)Super durability

4) Telescopic vision

5)Heat vision

6) Freeze breath

Strength

For lifting , i will be using manga goku to new 52-

Back in DBZ it was revealed Goku in base form could train with 2 tons on each limb-

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Which caused Goku to build up a sweat. This was 8 tons in total. Although 10 Tons on each limb-

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Would immobilize him or by his words “I won't be able to move.” unless he went Super Saiyan where 40 tons in total-

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Became Easy. So 40 tons+ for Super Saiyan Goku.

In Dragon Ball Super Base Form Goku has shown to be able to pull a big weight-

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On a planet that is 10× the gravity of earth. This was training for him so it's pushing his limits. Although he still has multiple forms way more powerful than Base form and more powerful versions of Super Saiyan and in those forms he has shown strength such as punching through a small planet with 10× the gravity of earth-

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In Super Saiyan 3. Albeit it seemed to hurt him and Beerus definitely helped by just his tap.

But even when both Goku and Vegeta had unlocked forms up to SSB aka Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan-

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A Metal Men which weigh 1000+ tons could not even have their foot be budged by Vegeta. Piccolo also implies no one on the team could lift a metal man. Piccolo is known for being the smart guy as well. Beerus also claimed it was Ill informed advice calling Goku a moron. So its implied that even Super Saiyan Blue wouldn't be enough.

They still to this day have not shown anything more. Especially not anything comparable to Supes-

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He lifts earth straight for 5 days without sunlight with just one drop of sweat and says " he could do more " earth weighs-5,972,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons

This should conclude superman is way stronger as for lifting

Striking

Goku and beerus feat-

Goku and beerus together threatened the whole universe but wait , here it is shown that goku +beerus together produced the shockwave and considering the fact that beerus was a whole lot stronger than ssg goku as told by beerus that he was holding back , so to get a fact that goku and beerus's might combined shook the universe so this means that this feat of ssg goku is not impressive-

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Now goku's strongest punch was against jiren-

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( In order , scan 3 , 2 and then 1 )

Where Goku already in his Perfected Super Saiyan Blue form, uses what is implied to be Kaio-Ken, to boost his power to the point he could destroy his body. Then he hits Jiren three times with no real damage.

Considering the ground wasn't broken, and no shockwave was noted, it probably wasn't that powerful. Then again Goku's solo punches never have been. Also yes this form is way stronger than Super Saiyan God

Meanwhile superman's striking strength-

Here it is explained that superman's strength > the biggest black hole in the universe-

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In the feat , it has been shown that superman fought an evolved doomsday and ripped it in half , his base form was able to break phantom zone , the zone which exists under the god realm of underworld , now the proof of superman vs brainiac and doomsday's fight ruptured the whole phantom zone-

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this alone destroys goku's feats since phantom zone is a threat to the dc universe which is 100 trillion light years

Speed

Now , i don't know how can i calculate his speed but to compare his famous instant transmission with superman's speed , i have heard from the fanbase that instant transmission is the speed of instant which is calculated to be around 10000 x light speed , superman has shown speed faster than an instant transmission-

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Scan 1) Superman took supergirl to a construction site in half an instant

Scan 2) Superman as stated by the narrator was able to show half an instant speed

Half an instant is 20000 X light speed making it faster than an instant transmission

Durability

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Scan 1 and 2 ) This shows superman survived under a black hole which was galaxy size

(In order , scan 2 and then 1)

Scan 3) Superman withstood a magical attack that no one in the universe could stood ( his weakness)

Scan 4 and 5 ) Superman took a magical attack which was reality warping and to quantify this , the force of time and space > the force of black hole no matter the size (his weakness)

(In order , Scan 5 and then 4)

Scan 6) Superman saves dr veritas and her ship from a black hole

Now to say that goku survived a black hole as well , his black hole was multi-planetary meanwhile superman was galaxy , proof-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU5LHohWOs8 ( watch the first 3 mins of this video)

For further comparing , goku was unable to survive in earth's core-

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Meanwhile superman survived in krypton's core under the red sun ( which is his weakness)-

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Conclusion

  • Superman is stronger in striking and lifting
  • Superman is faster than goku until i get speed feats for goku
  • Superman is more durable than goku

@kryptonianpride I did the opener mate , now your turn..

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#17 Posted by EmperorThanos- (15501 posts) - - Show Bio

@shaurya1230: No offense but I said I only wanted to be tagged after every Goku post. I'm not particularly interested in your superman posts.

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#21 Posted by Oreoghoul (1547 posts) - - Show Bio
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#22 Posted by Lan_Fan (11588 posts) - - Show Bio

Wait wat? Tag after every post.

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#23 Edited by deactivated-5c0b60e7cb512 (1483 posts) - - Show Bio
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#24 Posted by Supermanthor (4908 posts) - - Show Bio

Keep up

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#25 Posted by deactivated-5c0b60e7cb512 (1483 posts) - - Show Bio
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#26 Posted by Ryokuma100 (938 posts) - - Show Bio

T4v

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#27 Posted by Kirkseven (1833 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh god....

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#28 Posted by Myleftbuttcheeksolos (206 posts) - - Show Bio

Tag after every post

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#29 Posted by deactivated-5c0b19c56d708 (624 posts) - - Show Bio

taep

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#31 Posted by PanzerX (154 posts) - - Show Bio

Tag please.

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#32 Posted by geeman2 (1284 posts) - - Show Bio

lol, tag after every post

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#34 Edited by deactivated-5c0b60e7cb512 (1483 posts) - - Show Bio

@geeman2: why lol ? I think my opener was bad then 😅😅

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#35 Posted by El_directo_ (74 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol.

Tag after every Goku post please.

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#37 Posted by HitTheAssasin (7295 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol, this is turning out just how I expected it would. T4V.

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#41 Posted by geeman2 (1284 posts) - - Show Bio

@shaurya1230: No, I just think every CAV you've been in has turned into a disaster.

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#42 Posted by deactivated-5c0b60e7cb512 (1483 posts) - - Show Bio

@geeman2: that's true but the one with panzerx , i quit that because i couldn't stand the insults , i am not saying that i shouldn't but every one has their own behavior

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#48 Posted by Jon_Don (237 posts) - - Show Bio

Good

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#50 Posted by CaptainCoolade (541 posts) - - Show Bio

@shaurya1230: good luck, you'll need it if your opponents half decent.