@b_r023: hes not human...... Soul steal has never been used on anything not human, ill touch up on that in my reply tho
Sigh. So many things wrong in this one sentence.
In the OPM world, there is one super-continent, which is then divided into 26 cities. basically 1 City is a Very large Country. Lord boros ship was able to one-shot one of these cities( which is the size of a country), that same attack was launched back at his ship by tatsumaki and it did little to no damage( that basically means that Lord boros ship was able to tank a county lvl attack). see below
Several things. First up, the actual city doesn't make up the whole country. We see mountains, forests, lakes, fields and hidden bases all throughout OPM. Add in the fact that we know there are massive gaps between cities (see the OPM OVA with Tatsumaki, Genos and Fubuki were we see the train take them a massive distance). Second, Tatsumaki didn't hit them back just as hard, as evident from the much smaller explosions. We also see her tossing debris at hypersonic speed and damaging the ship.
First thing first, we do see mountains, forests etc etc, but the guy who worked at Hero association said, he destroyed City A, not he destroyed some of it, not that the forests, mountain etc survived, he destroyed City A, and on the screen we see 99.8%, this could mean he destroyed that amount of the city A, but again we don't know, secondly , in the OVA we see the train travel 5 mins..... not really a "massive" distance like you called it.
Thirdly, Tatsumaki mananged to lift a base roughly the size of City z which was buried 1,500 meters underground and the base which around the size of a city so we can assume she lifted around 125mil tones(average weight of a city), so we could assume she threw those shells back with a similar amount of force,if not with more force. and lastly if she threw large pieces of buildings and managed to damage the ship, then the attack she reflected at Boros ship would have completely annihilated it(which is didn't ) , even if you wanna lowball Boros to city level(which he isn't) City > mountain level any day( i don't think we need to debate a city is bigger than a mountain do we, cause on another thread you said mountain>city?)
Ive just proved everything you said in you counters post again Boros(the strength bit i mean) is false, even if you wanna argue that Boros is Multi-city thats fine by me( anyway isn't multi city the same thing as a country?), he's still stronger then Your team combined
And then we have his two strongest attacks, his moon kick, and his CSRC, well talk about his moon kick first, he was able to send saitama about 340,000 km to the moon, while naruto only sent Momoshiki 10miles to the atmosphere...
The Moon kick is generally calculated at mountain level+.
What calculations did you use or are you talking about? I'm curious.
and his oh so famous CSRC, which for this fight will be a planet busting attack(as specified by the OP)
That's out of character to use and takes several seconds to charge.
Out of character? not really he was about to use it against saitama cause nothing else worked, i agree its a last resort, but its not out of character
Even in Sasuke was able to teleport his team to one of kaguya dimension, he would severely weaken himself, and anyway, Sasuke dies very quickly in this fight due to having no durability feats to hang with the OPM team.
Naruto and Madara can just fill his chakra right back up.
True, but when Naruto was fighting Momoshiki and kinshiki at the chunin exams(or whatever its called) Sasuke didn't teleport Naruto away? if he did naruto wouldn't have been captured.
Also there is one thing that the Naruto team have no Counter for, and thats Boros heat, he was able to melt his ship which survived re-entry at 3000f, so boros must be hotter than 3000F, so heat won't both boos anyway( ill talk about that in the durability section)
Boros's heat couldn't effect Saitama's uniform, so clearly it isn't combat applicable given that Genos's attacks could have burnt his uniform off as Saitama himself said.
Saitama uniform also survived re-entry at 3000F so you can't really use that as a gauge, literally just means that genos's attacks are 3000f+ (which they arnt but thats not relevant to the fight)
And its very likely that Naruto and Sasuke will try fight H2H( as they did against each other, Toneri, Momoshiki, kinshiki etc) and when they do, they get heavily outclassed due to his heat, and Raw strength advantage
Nope.
what do u mean by nope? do you mean that Naruto and Sasuke won't try fighting H2H, or that they don't get stomped due to his raw strength advantage? please specify
Sasuke and Naruto die from this
Wrong.
Not really, until you prove that the moon kick is Mountain +
Boros has the best Regen in OPM no contest, he's able to grow his arm back instanstly
Naruto regrew his lung in seconds with only 1 tail.
So? Boros came back from soup
i also doubt madara spores would do anything to him either, anyhow he's an alien who survived with no oxygen in space, he isn't gonna need it breathe now
We have no clue if Boros can breath in space. We assume he can, but we have no feats suggesting he can. He also has no resistance feats against poison so moot point.
Onoki mananged to survive the Spore attack, he has no poison resistance feats either, and does boros even have nostrils? since we can assume you have to breathe in the attack for it to affect you
Boros also tanked this from Saitama,
Attacks that are nowhere near mountain level?
And saitama was able to destroy a multi country meteor( as stated by genos, so a casual Saitama punch is Multi country)
Life wiping a country sized area doesn't make you country level. Even then, Saitama's punches always vary in power.
Bang stated that the meteor would destroy that country and the surrounding ones, when did he say it would only life wipe? and saitama punches vary? they don't really do they, he's managed to onset Everyone he's come up against simply because he hits that hard on an average
So boros tanked a multi Country punch From saitama
Nothing suggests thats true.
And then when saitama hit him with multiple Multi Country Level Punches( again, each punch is multi country) Boros was able to regenerate from that
Nothing suggests thats true.
Boros is also Very hot (as I've shown in the strength section) so amertarasu(excuse my spelling) , or any heat bases attack won't do zip to him
Cool. Too bad all Amaterasu will be doing is blinding you and burning Garou to a crisp.
Just to recap, Boros has no soul until you prove he does so no soul rip, he has better durability than Naruto, Sasuke(poor sasuke) and regen on par with Madara, Madara can't even hurt him, even his limbo clones can't , his limbo clones can't even use TSB , the only thing which would be able to even hurt boros, and CT...... is useless
Not how it works. You are claiming Boros has no soul so the burden of proof falls to you.
1). until you provide proof that the meteor wasn't a multi country, it does. 2)see 1. 3 when has amaterasu ever blinded anyone(please provide scans) 4) Alrighty, lets say the OPM team does have a soul, madara goes for a soul steal and The OPM team just pull it back like Naruto did to Nagato.
Boros lacks speed feats NGL, but he does have some impressive ones, he transferred enough Kenetic Energy into Saitama to kick him to the moon, which means Boros would have to be going around mach 400,00k+(got this number from the internet)
Striking Strength =/= Speed
Okay, I've already said Naruto is faster
moves like a laser
A weaker incarnation of Naruto did that in BSM.
okay we get it(xD ) Naruto is faster
im not gonna waste time trying to prove Boros is faster than Naruto cause he most likely isn't( i dint know the mach of light), so i admit it, your team may have speed, but you get outclassed in everything else apart from that
Mach 880991.09.
And Teen Naruto dodges attacks like that. At point blank
See reply 1 and 2
i think thats sums it up nicely, You've lowballed Boros to kingdom come, just like I've wanked him but I've proved above that he's Stronger than your team by a large margin, being multi city if you lowball him, and Multi country if i high ball him, please provide the calcs you used to determine his moon kick was mountain level +, and Boros heat couldn't affect saitama uniform, which survived re-entry at 3000..... that just means his suit is Heat resistant lol
Again when it comes to strength, Garou is way stronger than your team, theres no competition (see below)
Nope.
"Nope" doenst really give me any context does it?
Scan 1 shows Garou managing to push back saitama
Saitama never took any damage and was actively holding back. Useless.
yes but he said lemme he was excited to fight, which means that he prepared himself for the attack, and saitama took a barrage from Boros and wasn't phased, and holding back doesn't mean anything as saitama wasn't even trying to block those hits, he just stood there and took em, unless somehow he held back his durability?
Scan 2 shows Saitama tanking a flurry on country+ lvl attacks from Boros without moving, this proves that Garou must be atlas Multi country+ ( if we lowball) in order to have pushed saitama back.
Or the fact that Saitama was actively holding back to not kill Garou despite being leagues above him might have something to do with it. Also, Asura Rhino and Beefcake both ragdolled Saitama, so Rhino and Beefcake>>> Boros and Garou Yes he was holding back against garou
Again, how does one hold back durability? also when Saitama fought AR he was thinking about missing a sale and wasn't focused on the battle at all and didn't even notice AR was hitting him(unlike how he was excited to fight garou), before casually one shotting him(also lemme state that AR blew back a Mountain busting attack so his hits are not a joke, and Beefcake never Ragdolled Saitama, he picked him up due to being several times bigger than a skyscraper and then threw him, i don't see how thats rag dolling but okay.
Garou surivives a rock barrage from Tatsumaki, which he destroys at hyper speed
Nothing to mountain level beings.
Fair enough
Garou managed to trade multiple blows with Saitama for a while
Useless.
not really as saitama busted a multi country+ meteor, you could argue he was holding back his hits though
and lets not forget a casual punch from saitama is multi country+
Saitama's strength constantly changes and he held back against him.
his Strength does change but that was a causal punch, he didn't put any effort into it, he held back against garou(obviously) but still, that was a casual punch , they was no effort put into it, and he himself said he was excited to fight garou , so id say those hits against garou were casual.
Manages to one shot Darkshine, who's skin is stronger than steel, and Sweet mask who had his arm cut off and re attached it like it was nothing
Useless
fair enough
so Garou heavily outclasses your team again, in term of raw strength
Nope
yes he does
note: scans for garou are not the best cause they are from the Webcomic
Eh
fair enough
I feel like this is where garou really shines
Doubtful.
Okay
he tanks a multi country + hit to the face from Saitama
Debunked. Saitama was holding back and nothing suggests those hits were even city level.
Again, a casual punch from sataima is multi country, how much do you think he was holding back? and anyway do you actually have a statement of saitama saying he was holding back? cause thats what you seem to be using for most of your arguments
Tanks another hit from saitama
Useless
not really since a casual hit from Saitama is multi country, and those hits against Garou were casual
Tanks a super serious headbutt from saitama, and if we were to scale this to his Super serious serious punch. then i would put it around continental , so yea he tanks it for the most part, only losing his arm, and then he grows it back in an instant
What? Saitama used a Serious punch against Elder Centipede, but he isn't planet level. You can't scale like that with Saitama
what? thats doesn't make any sense, saitama used his serious punch against EC and guess what? he died. Garou didn't . thats like me saying if Naruto threw a country level attack at itachi and it killed itachi, that itachi is country level, see that makes no sense, thats the same thing you said .
Basically Garou is a beast when it comes to durability, he outclasses Sasuke(poor sasuke) and is on par with Naruto and Madara in this section
His durability by the feats and scaling you've posted caps at Mountain level.
they really don't i just proved that.
Garou has way more speed feats then Boros luckily
Cool.
ite
Blocks around 15 attack from flashy flash which were delivered in 1 centisecond
Calcs cap it at Mach 40.
What calcs? could u drop me a link or something? or just copy and paste the calculations that u saw.
Also doges an attack from atomic samurai who did this
Atomic Samurai's ultimate technique is subsonic. As its 100 slashes in 1 second.
Garou dodges the attack
Useless
Okay
Also manages to get infront of saitama without him noticing
Saitama is featless
........ sure
And saitama went from the moon to the earth in like under/around 7 seconds or so so its not like he's a slug.
Anime clocks the moon jump at 16 seconds and it's a travel speed feat.
okay. And sure but Naruto and Sasuke only have reaction feats aswell, you provided no actual speed Feats for Naruto.
Garou is the most skilled here, i don't think we even need to debate that
Nice. Too bad skill is useless when your opponents out number you 1000 to 1 and have superior speed, strength and precognition.
Guy wrecked Madara and almost killed him, so skill does matter as guy only uses taijutsu, and Naruto only ever made 2000 clones iirc, so its not 1000 to 1 its 2002 v 3 xD
he combined 12 different martial art styles, along with copying moves from various people, again he copied 12 different styles, in Naruto there's only 1 style, and thats taijutsu.
Taijutsu is the art of fighting. There's multiple styles of taijutsu.
Oh sorry my bad, what are the multiple types of taijutsu i don't remember
And to top it all off, he has precognition
My team's precognition is superior and my team all has near/lightspeed reactions.
Okay, precog can't win you a battle though, or EMS would have beat hashirama, and Reactions speed feats are not combat speed feats. Just because you can dodge a light speed attack, doesn't mean you can attack at light speed.
Finally its time for Saitama to shine, the strongest of the trio, saitama has a lot of feats but I'm only gonna be listing the high end ones
Ok
ok
Manages to destroy a multi country level meteor( rip CT) so his punch must be atleast multi country+
That meteor's only durability feats are no selling Genos's mountain level blast
That meteor was gonna destroy multiple city sized countries, which means it must be durable enough to hit the ground while causing enough impact to destroy multiple countries, that should give it at least country+ level durability shouldn't it?
Regular sized city
lifs up the monster association basewhich is almost as big as a city sized country
No it wasn't, but lets assume it was,(which again, it isn't)he still lifted around 250,416,934,000 tons, WAY above your pay grade , but lifting strength =/= Striking strength anyway.
Destroys garous arm, even though garou tanked multiple country level attacks
Garou didn't.
yes he did
Best feat. He only uses that to counter planet level attacks and it would be OOC to use it on a human.
for this fight Saitama is Serious, also you put madara would Sacrifice himself to revive naruto and Sasuke and theirs no way in hell he would do that, cmon its madara.
Did this to the moon , and this is at least small continental
Naruto did this
Which honestly looks more impressive to me given that Saitama does nothing than than make a massive shockwave in the manga which is the primary canon as Murata and ONE both directly work on the manga directly.
watch that gif again, you can see Naruto and Toneri in the centre, and that makes that attack very small,id only put it at multi city block level. if you scale the AOE from the size of naruto and toneri. you'll see that attacks really tiny
Nope.
yes, just to recap Tatsumaki has lifted 125mil tons aswell(she lifted a city sized base), it can be argued she threw the shells back with even more Force. Again i prove you need atlaest a country+ attack above in order to damage the ship
so just to recap, saitama is a planet buster, stronger than your team combined, and can one shot each of your team due to having no durability feats on his level bar madara due to his regen.
If he goes all out immediatley and uses his OOC serious punch. Yes, he is. Too bad he will never tag my team.
Your team only have reaction feats, please provide actual speed feats, theres nothing stating that your team could tag my team aswell
No one holds a candle to saitama when it comes to durability
True. Only when it comes to blunt force and energy durability.
Yup
he manages to tank multiple country+ attacks from boros
Boros is city level.
he isn't, and even if he was(Which again he isn't), City > Mountain any day(anyways I've proved he's way above that in my rebuttal section on Boros)
Gets sent to the moon, survives with no oxygen and survives being in a vacuum( cause there's no air). also lemme just say he survives re-entry at 3000f so not heat based attack will phase him.
Fair enough.
cool
Tanks multiple multi country+ attacks from Garou
Nope.
Proved that already
No heat based attack will phase him, limbo is featless , light fang is featless , saitama can hold his breathe through that spore justu, he aint got a soul till u prove he does.
Amaterasu will blind him, Limbo is equal to Madara, lightfang destroyed Naruto's TSB rod and would have killed him had he not dodged, he can't hold his breath forever, you have to prove he doesn't.
Has amaterasu ever blinded someone before? Sasuke never used it again kinshiki so its OOC he'll use it here, limbo being equal to madara doesn't prove much, lightfang was a senjutsu attack and therefore Naruto TSB rod could not tank it, there no feats saying it would have killed him anyway so its fealess, true he can't hold his breathe forever, but he holds it long enough to punch the gas away like he has done to clouds and rain before, He grabs his soul from Madara like Naruto did to Nagato, and Saitama is WAY stronger, lifting 125m tones ( the weight of an average city)
went online to search how fast his moon jump would be and i got this
In the scene where he gets kicked to the moon, assuming that boros's dialogue was the entire duration of saitamas jump back to earth (18 seconds) then that means he was traveling slightly under 67,500,000 feet per second.
I did a calc and by highballing the jump by 2 seconds I got Mach 70043.731778 which is inferior to light speed which is Mach 874030. So he's slower in his travel speed by a ludicrous amount.
You've only provided Reaction speeds for Naruto and Sasuke
he can keep up with the Naruto Trio, even if they're faster then him
Wrong.
Yes he can cause they only have reaction feats, not actually combat speed feats, they can dodge our attacks, but they can't throw punches at light speed since they have no combat speed feats can they?
- no they don't I've just proved that
You've wanked Boros and Garou to high heaven.
Just like you've lowballed them to kingdom come
- True, but reacting speed and actual speed are very different
Indeed. Ones useful and the other isn't.
Both are pretty useful imo, for example, if i could dodge 1 bullet at the speed of sound, that doesn't mean i can throw a punch at the speed of sound does it? itachi reacted to lightning and we all know he's not faster than lightning.
- Soul rip won't work till u prove they have a soul, they tank RS and Amaterasu due to being hotter themselves(boros is 3000f+, Saitama tanked 3000f+ attacks aswell so yea), they tank piercing attacks(also what attack did you mean specifically?), and what sealing methods are you talking about?(do you mean the magnet resengan? its never restrained anyone as powerful as the OPM trio so yea, pretty featless), and TSB Have no speed feats or feats damaging anything as durable as the OPM Trio
You have to prove they don't have a soul. RS cuts you on a cellular level which you haven't proven you can tank. Chidori possess piercing properties and Sasuke uses a sword which he can teleport inside your brain. Magnet Rasengan restrained a Limbo clone and since Madara > Boros and Garou they can be restrained. TSB ignore conventional durability by erasing you.
Okay they have a soul, They pull it back Like Naruto did due to being WAY stronger than him, even if RS cut us on a cellular level it doesn't bypass durability, Sasuke has never Teleported Anything inside of anyones brain xdddddd(did you make that up?) Sasuke can switch places with people/things, not teleport random stuff, Madara is not > Boros and Garou(just proved that) and provide scans of TSB bypassing Durability
- True(bar garou) but we heavily outclass you in strentgh in H2H, which Naruto and Sasuke always use as a first resort( their fight with Momoshiki, Toneri, Kinshiki and each other prove that)
My team is stronger than Boros and Garou and are so hilariously faster than Saitama he'll never tag them when you factor in their precognition and clones.
they are not stronger, you've only provided Reaction speed feats for your team. they have no combat speed feats to suggest they're that faster than my team
- Boros is an alien who for all we know doest breathe, Saitama holds his breath like he did in space, and garou should tank it, or saitama punches the gas away(like he's done to rain and clouds before)
Boros has no feats suggesting he can resist it. Saitama needs to breath. Garou can't tank it (Though I can think of a way he can resist it but I'll wait for you to bring it up) and the pollen isn't visible.
Onoki had no feats and he resisted it, saitama can hold his breathe and punch it away, Garou could hold his breathe( well should be able to hold his breathe long enough for saitama to punch is away) and that pollen was pretty visible in the anime.
- true but thats very out of character
So is Saitama or Boros Planet Busting
Boros uses it as a last resort, saitama, meh not really he used it against Garou, Boros and EC, pretty good chance he'll use it here
- Limbo can't damage us
Limbo is equal to Madara who stomps Boros and Garou in CQC
this is very, very, wrong.this sentence is probably the most false thing in your entire counter. go watch Guy vs Madara again.
- I guarantee they can break both susanoo and kyuubi avatar with 1 hit, both being above country themselves
Only Saitama can one shot it and even then he'll have to tag the avatars first (considering both of them can fly...)
Saitama jumped from the moon to the earth, I'm sure he could tag them, and the others can one shot it aswell due to feats I've provided
- then Sasuke becomes weaker, and Sasuke won't last that long anyway
Naruto can amp him with Chakra.
Very good point
- he's used his serious moves again garou and he wasn't threatening the planet then
He was actively holding back. He didn't want to kill Garou since he still considered him human, he even let him go towards the end of the fight and called him a "Sweet Person".
true, but this version of saitama is serious, as stated by the OP.
it being a cutting attack doesn't mean it bypasses durability
Cant as its never sealed someone as strong as either of the two
Equals moot, They tank RS
Sasuke hasn't been shown to ever use Soul rip, so its OOC that he'll use it now
Sasuke has never done that please don't make things up
Momoshiki reacted to Sasuke, I'm sure the trio can two
They pull there souls back, provide scans of amaterasu blinding anyone please
I've countered soul rip before, they tank blaze release
They all tank Kirin, Boros might not even have a heart due to being an alien.
Already defended against soul rip
a viable option, please show feats of TSB bypassing Durability
I've already countered spores
they break out of it LOL
This doesn't happen due to them not being able to hurt Boros and Garou, Saitama pulls his soul back.
i win, your only option is your TSB and they have no speed feats
Sword> Country level hits? Naruto gets pierced by a sword so 1 hit should kill him.(you did the same thing to Saitama so why not)
i await your reply
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First thing first, we do see mountains, forests etc etc, but the guy who worked at Hero association said, he destroyed City A, not he destroyed some of it, not that the forests, mountain etc survived, he destroyed City A, and on the screen we see 99.8%, this could mean he destroyed that amount of the city A, but again we don't know, secondly , in the OVA we see the train travel 5 mins..... not really a "massive" distance like you called it.
No, but the actual city doesn't span the whole country. So he didn't destroy a country sized city.
Thirdly, Tatsumaki mananged to lift a base roughly the size of City z which was buried 1,500 meters underground, so we could assume she threw those shells back with a similar amount of force, and lastly if she threw large pieces of buildings and managed to damage the ship, then the attack she reflected at Boros ship would have completely annihilated it(which is didn't ) , even if you wanna lowball Boros to city level(which he isn't) City > mountain level any day( i don't think we need to debate a city is bigger than a mountain do we, cause on another thread you said mountain>city?)
Tatsumaki clearly didn't throw it back with anywhere near the same force, we also see her damaging the ship with debris.
Also Mountains > City. That's common logic on Comicvine.
Ive just proved everything you said in you counters post again Boros(the strength bit i mean) is false, even if you wanna argue that Boros is Multi-city thats fine by me( anyway isn't multi city the same thing as a country?), he's still stronger then Your team combined
No. Boros can, at best destroy a city with a single punch. By scaling he's mountain level.
What calculations did you use or are you talking about? I'm curious.
A reddit calc here puts it at like Island level.
Out of character? not really he was about to use it against saitama cause nothing else worked, i agree its a last resort, but its not out of character
Due to the nature of my teams attacks he won't get a chance. But I'll cover this later.
True, but when Naruto was fighting Momoshiki and kinshiki at the chunin exams(or whatever its called) Sasuke didn't teleport Naruto away? if he did naruto wouldn't have been captured.
Because then the Bijuudama would have wiped out the Land of Fire or the fight against Momoshiki and Kinshiki would have taken place in Konoha which Naruto didn't want.
Saitama uniform also survived re-entry at 3000F so you can't really use that as a gauge, literally just means that genos's attacks are 3000f+ (which they arnt but thats not relevant to the fight)
Saitama's uniform was burnt up slightly after the jump. Either Boros's heat can't be used in a fight or his energy doesn't affect his opponent.
what do u mean by nope? do you mean that Naruto and Sasuke won't try fighting H2H, or that they don't get stomped due to his raw strength advantage? please specify
They won't get stomped.
Not really, until you prove that the moon kick is Mountain +
Provided the calc which highballs it.
So? Boros came back from soup
That's just going to prolong his suffering when the Limbo clones play volleyball with him.
Onoki mananged to survive the Spore attack, he has no poison resistance feats either, and does boros even have nostrils? since we can assume you have to breathe in the attack for it to affect you
After the moon kick Boros was left panting and standing there exhausted so he clearly breathes. Onoki resisting it is a feat FOR him.
Bang stated that the meteor would destroy that country and the surrounding ones, when did he say it would only life wipe? and saitama punches vary? they don't really do they, he's managed to onset Everyone he's come up against simply because he hits that hard on an average
He said the cities and surrounding ones. Yes they do.
They range from Mountain level to Planet level with many instances of much less.
1). until you provide proof that the meteor wasn't a multi country, it does. 2)see 1. 3 when has amaterasu ever blinded anyone(please provide scans) 4) Alrighty, lets say the OPM team does have a soul, madara goes for a soul steal and The OPM team just pull it back like Naruto did ( forward the video to 23:15)
Let me just clear this up.
Prove Saitama punched Boros with Country levels of force. The only damage he did was this
Which shows Saitama pasting Boros and the the ship behind being destroy.
there's your counter to soul steal, obviously i can't prove the OPM trio don't have a soul.(also lemme just add that Naruto had no knowledge on the justu, just like the OPM trio won't and they are ALOT stronger than Naruto
What video? Also Amaterasu is a Black flame. If Sasuke uses it to engulf your team then they won't be able to see through the flames.
Okay, I've already said Naruto is faster
Everyone is Faster since Sasuke is superior to Teen Naruto and Madara is his equal.
okay we get it(xD ) Naruto is faster
They all are.
See reply 1 and 2
i think thats sums it up nicely, You've lowballed Boros to kingdom come, just like I've wanked him but I've proved above that he's Stronger than your team by a large margin, being City if you lowball him, and Multi country if i high ball him, please provide the calcs you used to determine his moon kick was mountain level +, and Boros heat couldn't affect saitama uniform, which survived re-entry at 3000..... that just means his suit is Heat resistant lol
City level is inferior to mountain level which I've proved my team all operates at while weakened. Boros's heat didn't effect Saitama whatsoever and showed no signs of damaging him.
"Nope" doenst really give me any context does it?
Garou doesn't have country level striking since no one he scales from does either.
yes but he said lemme he was excited to fight, which means that he prepared himself for the attack, and saitama took a barrage from Boros and wasn't phased, and holding back doesn't mean anything as seriatim was blocking those hits, unless somehow he held back he durability?
Saitama puts in different amounts of effort. He didn't brace for Garou hits is all. Even then, Boros doesn't hit as hard as my team on average anyway.
Again, how does one hold back durability? also when Saitama fought AR he was thinking about missing a sale and wasn't focused on the battle at all and didn't even notice AR was hitting him, before casually one shotting him(also lemme state that AR blew back a Mountain busting attack so his hits are not a joke, and Beefcake never Ragdolled Saitama, he picked him up due to being several times bigger than a skyscraper and then threw him, i don't see how thats rag dolling but okay.
He didn't brace. Pushing back =/= Hurting Saitama is my point with Rhino and Beefcake.
not really as saitama busted a multi country+ meteor, you could argue he was holding back though
He was.
hIS Strength does change but that was a causal punch, he didn't put any effort into it, he held back against garou(obviously) but still, that was a casual punch , they was no effort put into it, and he himself said he was excited to fight garou , so he wasn't holding back that much
Saitama's punch against the meteor was the most serious punch he's used bar the one against Boros as he was actively protecting thousands of citizens, Genos, Bang and his home.
yes he does
Mountain level at best vs Mountain level while weakened?
Again, a casual punch from sataima is multi country, how much do you think he was holding back? and anyway do you actually have a statement of saitama saying he was holding back? cause thats what you seem to be using for most of your arguments
The meteor punch was not casual. Garou was still human to him. He was lecturing him the whole time and even let him go.
not really
Yep, Saitama's strength varies to much.
what? thats doesn't make any sense, saitama used his serious punch against EC and guess what? he died. Garou didn't . thats like me saying if Naruto threw a country level attack at itachi and it killed him, that itachi is country level, see that makes no sense, thats the same thing you said .
No, your scaling the serious headbutt off his other serious moves, I was showing that they vary massively in power. Nothing suggests that headbutt was Continental at all.
Basically Garou is a beast when it comes to durability, he outclasses Sasuke(poor sasuke) and is on par with Naruto and Madara in this section
Sasuke with his susanoo has Country level durability unlike Garou.
they really don't.
They do.
What calcs? could u drop me a link or something? or just copy and paste the calculations
Right here
........ sure
Show me a reaction or combat speed feat that makes this impressive then?
okay. And sure but Naruto and Sasuke only have reaction feats aswell
A reaction speed feat is much more useful than travel speed feats. If you want combat feats how about some quick scaling then.
Itachi reacted to Kirin which is confirmed by Zetsu to be lightning speed. Itachi thus clearly is a lightning timer right?
We can all agree SPSM Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke would blitz Itachi effortlessly right?
So they clearly move faster than lightning.
Guy wrecked Madara and almost killed him, so skill does matter as guy only uses taijutsu, and Naruto only ever made 2000 clones iirc, so its not 1000 to 1 its 2002 v 3(xD)
Guy in the 8th Gate fought Madara before the Shinju and Rinnegan amp, Madara was also messing around against Guy and he didn't have 1000 clones to defend him
Oh sorry my bad, what are the multiple types of taijutsu i don't remember
Gai and Lees style, Gentle fist etc
Okay, precog can't win you a battle though, or EMS would have beat hashirama, and Reactions speed feats are not combat speed feats
EMS Madara wasn't ludicrously faster than Hashirama and didn't fight him in CQC
ok
That meteor was gonna destroy multiple city sized countries, which means it must be durable enough to hit the ground and cause enough impact to destroy multiple countries, that should give it at least country level durability shouldn't it?
I'm not gonna argue this point and neither should you. We both know Saitama's striking is planet level
No it wasn't, but lets assume it was,he still lifted around 250,416,934,000 tons, WAY above your pay grade , but lifting strength =/= Striking strength
Indeed.
yes he did
No he didn't.
for this fight Saitama is Serious, also you put madder would Sacrifice himself to revive naruto and Sasuke and theirs no way in hell he would do that, cmon its madara.
I know. I simply brough it up, I haven't argue it. Also Serious =/= Bloodlusted
watch that gif again, you can see Naruto and Toneri in the centre, and that makes that attack very small,id only put it at multi city block level if you scale the AOE from the size of naruto and toner, compared to the large shockwaves saitama produced.
Naruto did more damage, Saitama just kicked up dust.
yes, just to recap Tatsumaki has lifted 125mil tons, it can be argued she threw it back with even more Force. Again i prove you need atlas a country+ attack above.
Tatsumaki did not hit it with country level force. I have debunked this with scans from the manga itself.
If he goes all out immediatley and uses his OOC serious punch. Yes, he is. Too bad he will never tag my team.
Your team only have reaction feats, please provide actual speed feats
My team would blitz Itachi who can react to lightning. Naruto and Sasuke crossed a country in base in the span of a conversation. Sasuke can hold his own and not have every single attack dodged by Naruto.
Yup
Rasenshruiken cuts you which means you need feats against cutting attack to suggest you can tank it, Sasuke uses a lightning amped sword so can I have some feats to suggest you can take it?
he isn't, and even if he was(Which again he isn't), City > Mountain any day(anyways I've proved he's way above that above)
What? Mountain level >>> City level. A nuke can wipe out a city but do nothing to a mountain.
Proved that already
Disproved that already.
Has amaterasu ever blinded someone before? Seasick never used it again kinshiki so its OOC he'll use it here, limbo being equal to madder doesn't prove much, lightfang was a senjutsu attack and therefore Naruto TSB rod could tank it, there no feats saying it would have killed him anyway so its fealess, true he can't hold his breathe forever, but he holds it long enough to punch the gas away like he has done to clouds and rain before, He grabs his soul from Madara like Naruto did to Nagato, and Saitama is WAY stronger, lifting 125m tones ( the weight of an average city)
Its black fire. How can you see through it? Sasuke couldn't use most of his abilites against Kinshiki since he was weakened. Madara is superior to Garou and Boros. If Naruto could no sell it why did he dodge? How will he know to punch away the spore or even hold his breath? We have seen Pain rip out souls instantly, Nagato just took so long because he needed to capture the Kyuubi. Sasuke and Madara will get in, use their superior speed and pull the soul out far faster than Nagato did.
I'll go more in depth later
I've been realistic and waited for feats.
If I can dodge a bullet and then fight a regular human I'll dance around them with ease. You haven't given any combat speed feats near lightspeed so my team will dance around your team.
Sasuke and Madara have no reason to hold back like Nagato did (to capture Kurama) and can simply restrain them with
They are. Boros and Garou are mountain level on average via scaling. You haven't given any feats above mach 40 (Combat) or even close to lightspeed (travel) meanwhile SPSM Naruto would utterly blitz Itachi, did blitz Kaguya and everyone between who are all bare minimum lightning speed in reactions.
Onoki resisting it IS a feat. Saitama won't realise whats happening until its too late. Garou won't realise either. They won't realise until they're knocked out.
Exactly. Saitama won't even when Serious.
Limbo has been stated to be just that.
But he's mach 10,000 behind Lightspeed.
Thank you
Serious, not Out of Character.
Ok, I feel like like I haven't been giving this my all. I see alot of problems in my post so Ill try to sum everything well here.
How will we deal with Boros?
Now, Boro's regeneration is far better than my team, I don't deny that. However I can see
Garou is the most dangerous honestly in CQC.
Much like Boros, Garou has his own niche. His skill.
However...
Oh boy...
So I know this is terrible but I'm scared of CV eating it, next CaV I will improve.
@vsw Yours can be the last post, I sorta lost my motivation for this.
@gearsecond659: as long as u don't use the f word you can' swear
@vsw: K. Good to know.
@chaos239: I like this also vote on my vsw cav naruto vs boros
Since when can sauske fly and i see so many faults in both your posts especially when it comes posts
@thenewguysnm1: His Susanoo can fly.
Have you watched Boruto at all?
@chaos239: not his actual body
Also i stopped watching boruto after the mist arc though i watched the last couple episodes interested in what urashiki is gonna do
@thenewguysnm1: No. But Sauske can fly.
@chaos239: not outside sussano
@thenewguysnm1: Does Sasuke have flying capabilities.
Yes. He can fly.
@chaos239: fair enough though thats not that big a deal
@thenewguysnm1: It stops any BFR from Boros.
It's a big deal.
First thing first, we do see mountains, forests etc etc, but the guy who worked at Hero association said, he destroyed City A, not he destroyed some of it, not that the forests, mountain etc survived, he destroyed City A, and on the screen we see 99.8%, this could mean he destroyed that amount of the city A, but again we don't know, secondly , in the OVA we see the train travel 5 mins..... not really a "massive" distance like you called it.
No, but the actual city doesn't span the whole country. So he didn't destroy a country sized city.
The city itself doesn't have to span a whole country, the fact is Boros destroyed the Whole country, end of. Also do you have any actual proof that City A has Mountains and forests? cause in that OVA with fubuki and genos it obviously wasn't City A that they traveled to/from.
Thirdly, Tatsumaki mananged to lift a base roughly the size of City z which was buried 1,500 meters underground, so we could assume she threw those shells back with a similar amount of force, and lastly if she threw large pieces of buildings and managed to damage the ship, then the attack she reflected at Boros ship would have completely annihilated it(which is didn't ) , even if you wanna lowball Boros to city level(which he isn't) City > mountain level any day( i don't think we need to debate a city is bigger than a mountain do we, cause on another thread you said mountain>city?)
Tatsumaki clearly didn't throw it back with anywhere near the same force, we also see her damaging the ship with debris.
Tatsumaki didn't throw it back with anywhere near the same force? she managed to pick up a hideout almost the size of a country sized city, i can argue she threw it back with even more force.That debris didn't damage the ship? it if did we would have seen it affect/damage/interact with Boros crew(which it didn't)
Also Mountains > City. That's common logic on Comicvine.
Bruh, if you or anyone wants to debate this elsewhere come @ me
Ive just proved everything you said in you counters post again Boros(the strength bit i mean) is false, even if you wanna argue that Boros is Multi-city thats fine by me( anyway isn't multi city the same thing as a country?), he's still stronger then Your team combined
No. Boros can, at best destroy a city with a single punch. By scaling he's mountain level.
Again city > mountain, and you're lowballing Boros. a lot. by scaling he's atlas multi city
What calculations did you use or are you talking about? I'm curious.
A reddit calc here puts it at like Island level.
in that calc the guy put the kick at 500 nukes and just to clarify, it would take around 32 nukes to destroy the whole of the United kingdom as shown here, which is absurdly above island level.like, by a lot.
Saitama uniform also survived re-entry at 3000F so you can't really use that as a gauge, literally just means that genos's attacks are 3000f+ (which they arnt but thats not relevant to the fight)
Saitama's uniform was burnt up slightly after the jump. Either Boros's heat can't be used in a fight or his energy doesn't affect his opponent.
Actually Saitama uniform was burnt before the jump, right after Boros used his chest beam(can't remember the name) as you can see here
what do u mean by nope? do you mean that Naruto and Sasuke won't try fighting H2H, or that they don't get stomped due to his raw strength advantage? please specify
They won't get stomped.
How? when each hit from Boros is country +
Provided the calc which highballs it.
again, that calc put his kick at 500 nukes, while it takes 32 nukes to destroy the UK(which consists of 4 countries) 500 nukes would destroy around 45-50 countries , which means the kick is continental
Onoki resisting it is a feat FOR him.
your not getting my point, Onoki had no prior feats against poison, just like the OPM trio don't
He said the cities and surrounding ones. Yes they do.
bruh, each country is Called a city, city A, city B, city C etc. what was Bang supposed to say?
They range from Mountain level to Planet level with many instances of much less.
That first punch against genos didn't even touch anything, it was the air pressure that destroyed a mountain, that punch against DSK was multi country swell, hence the fact why DSK got one-shoted
Prove Saitama punched Boros with Country levels of force. The only damage he did was this
Which shows Saitama pasting Boros and the the ship behind being destroy.
What is this supposed to mean? I've proved in order to damage Boros ship you have to be at least country+.
there's your counter to soul steal, obviously i can't prove the OPM trio don't have a soul.(also lemme just add that Naruto had no knowledge on the justu, just like the OPM trio won't and they are ALOT stronger than Naruto
What video? Also Amaterasu is a Black flame. If Sasuke uses it to engulf your team then they won't be able to see through the flames.
sorry the video link didn't work, click here (watch 23:10 to 23:20)
you've provided no proof of amaterasu ever blinding anyone tho, and he's never used it against anyone like that, its OOC that he'll do it now
Boros's heat didn't effect Saitama whatsoever and showed no signs of damaging him.
Again, Saitama survived re-entry, while Naruto was afraid of Kaguya lava in her lava dimension
Garou doesn't have country level striking since no one he scales from does either.
Apart from Saitama you mean
Saitama puts in different amounts of effort. He didn't brace for Garou hits is all. Even then, Boros doesn't hit as hard as my team on average anyway.
Saitama said he was excited, which meant that he was ready, which meant he braced for the attack, and your team don't even come close to Boros, as you've been lowballing my team alot
Again, how does one hold back durability? also when Saitama fought AR he was thinking about missing a sale and wasn't focused on the battle at all and didn't even notice AR was hitting him, before casually one shotting him(also lemme state that AR blew back a Mountain busting attack so his hits are not a joke, and Beefcake never Ragdolled Saitama, he picked him up due to being several times bigger than a skyscraper and then threw him, i don't see how thats rag dolling but okay.
He didn't brace. Pushing back =/= Hurting Saitama is my point with Rhino and Beefcake.
HE DID BRACE AND WAS FULLY PREPARED FOR THE ATTACK as he himself said he was looking forward to it, unlike with rhino where he was focussing on missing a sale and again, beefcake picked up saitama due to being bigger than a sky scraper, that doesn't count as "pushing back saitama". :
hIS Strength does change but that was a causal punch, he didn't put any effort into it, he held back against garou(obviously) but still, that was a casual punch , they was no effort put into it, and he himself said he was excited to fight garou , so he wasn't holding back that much
Saitama's punch against the meteor was the most serious punch he's used bar the one against Boros as he was actively protecting thousands of citizens, Genos, Bang and his home.
it was a casual punch, he didn't even make a name for it which means there wasn't that much power behind it, unlike when he did Against Boros and Garou(super serous headbutt, super seruious punch, super serious table flip)
yes he does
Mountain level at best vs Mountain level while weakened?
So garou matching punches with Saitama (who's Casual punch in multi country) puts him at mountain level? *sigh* the lowball is getting kinda out of hand at this point
The meteor punch was not casual. Garou was still human to him. He was lecturing him the whole time and even let him go.
how was it not casual?? if it was on par with his other attacks it would have been a super serious punch or he would have called it something super serious, which he didn't, i.e it was casual
No, your scaling the serious headbutt off his other serious moves, I was showing that they vary massively in power. Nothing suggests that headbutt was Continental at all.
Apart from the fact is was Serious , unlike his other Casual punches which are multi country, your whole argument depends on the factor that Saitama punches Vary.
Sasuke with his susanoo has Country level durability unlike Garou.
Again your whole argument depends on the factor that Saitama punches Vary, and you haven't provived any actual feats that they do. he's one shot most of his enemies because he hits that hard on an average. even the air pressure from his attack destroyed a mountain.
What calcs? could u drop me a link or something? or just copy and paste the calculations
Right here
Those calc are pretty weird as they count counter in the distance FF moved, and i also found some cals myself:
Alright so in this pic Garou is 298 pixels tall. Garou is 177 cm tall. 177/298 = 0.593 centimeters for each pixel.
Now the real issue here is figuring out the distance between Lightspeed Flash and Garou. Unfortunately, Flash's entire body is not visible in the scan. However, his thigh length is 129 pixels, great. So now we just add 129 to his 459 pixel long body (measured from head to thigh) and we have a 588 pixel tall Lightspeed Flash. (the extra 129 was gotten from doubling the thigh length to get the rest of the leg)
So Lightspeed Flash, being 172 cm tall, has 0.292 cm per pixel. Now I gotta use these figures to get the distance. Since it's a 0.292 ratio for Flash and a 0.593 ratio for Garou, we get a ratio difference of 0.301 cm per pixel. The distance between Garou and Lightspeed Flash (using his Flash's knee as a lowball) is 218 by 120 pixels. Using the pythagorean theorem we get a pixel distance of 248.845 between the two combatants.
298/459=0.649 (ratio between Garou's height as it literally appears and Flash's)
248.845/0.649=398.836671803/100=3.98 meters distance, seems right when looking at the pic
3.98 meters over 1 microsecond aaaand we get 8.903*10^6mph or 0.01328c
Lightspeed Flash later shows an even faster move though, so it's likely much higher.
Now for the good parts, his combat speed. His arm is 287 px long, but since a punch generally only needs to travel the length of your forearm, I'll divide that by two.
287/2=143.5 px
143.5*0.301=43 cm long forearm (the average length of a full arm is 65 cm so this makes sense)
Now he hits Garou what appears to be 16 times. 16*43=688/100=6.88 meters
6.88 meters/1 microsecond=1.539*10^7 mph, or 0.02295c.
Sub-Relativistic Garou and Lightspeed Flash yay.
okay. And sure but Naruto and Sasuke only have reaction feats aswell
A reaction speed feat is much more useful than travel speed feats. If you want combat feats how about some quick scaling then.
Itachi reacted to Kirin which is confirmed by Zetsu to be lightning speed. Itachi thus clearly is a lightning timer right?
We can all agree SPSM Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke would blitz Itachi effortlessly right?
So they clearly move faster than lightning.
But Reaction speeds=/= combat speeds, and my team are sub relativistic so you're team moving faster than lightning doesn't mean anything
Okay, precog can't win you a battle though, or EMS would have beat hashirama, and Reactions speed feats are not combat speed feats
EMS Madara wasn't ludicrously faster than Hashirama and didn't fight him in CQC
were sub relativistic so you're not ludicrously faster, are you?
My team would blitz Itachi who can react to lightning. Naruto and Sasuke crossed a country in base in the span of a conversation. Sasuke can hold his own and not have every single attack dodged by Naruto.
you didn't really provide any feats that they would blitz itachi, but we both know they would so fair enough
Yup
Rasenshruiken cuts you which means you need feats against cutting attack to suggest you can tank it, Sasuke uses a lightning amped sword so can I have some feats to suggest you can take it?
IF you prove Sasuke has Sub relativistic + combat speeds as my team as sub relativistic , then on the off chance it would tag us, then yes we could probably tank it was we have regen
he isn't, and even if he was(Which again he isn't), City > Mountain any day(anyways I've proved he's way above that above)
What? Mountain level >>> City level. A nuke can wipe out a city but do nothing to a mountain.
so many things wrong in this sentence, if u wanna debate this come @ me
Has amaterasu ever blinded someone before? Seasick never used it again kinshiki so its OOC he'll use it here, limbo being equal to madder doesn't prove much, lightfang was a senjutsu attack and therefore Naruto TSB rod could tank it, there no feats saying it would have killed him anyway so its fealess, true he can't hold his breathe forever, but he holds it long enough to punch the gas away like he has done to clouds and rain before, He grabs his soul from Madara like Naruto did to Nagato, and Saitama is WAY stronger, lifting 125m tones ( the weight of an average city)
Its black fire. How can you see through it? Sasuke couldn't use most of his abilites against Kinshiki since he was weakened. Madara is superior to Garou and Boros. If Naruto could no sell it why did he dodge? How will he know to punch away the spore or even hold his breath? We have seen Pain rip out souls instantly, Nagato just took so long because he needed to capture the Kyuubi. Sasuke and Madara will get in, use their superior speed and pull the soul out far faster than Nagato did.
Sasuke fought Kinshiki before he was weakened and never used it then, Madara are not > Garou and boros(you're still lowballing them ), Naruto dodged it cause he didn't know what it was, it has no feats. Saitama will know to punch away the spores because he can see them, onoki didn't know what the spores were and he survived just fine .Nagato has never been seen to rip out souls instantly, Sasuke has never used soul rip anyway(on the otsutsuki, madder etc etc), you've provided no combat speed feats apart from saying things like "Naruto would blitz itachi, who reacted to lightning ".
- Just like you've lowballed them to kingdom come
I've been realistic and waited for feats.
Not really, you tried to put mountain > city which it isn't , you're claiming That Saitamas punches Vary(which you've provided no proof they do since he's onset everyone he's met so far cause he hits that hard on an average
- Both are pretty useful imo, for example, if i could dodge 1 bullet at the speed of sound, that doesn't mean i can fight someone throwing multiple speed of sound punches does it?
If I can dodge a bullet and then fight a regular human I'll dance around them with ease. You haven't given any combat speed feats near lightspeed so my team will dance around your team.
what I'm trying to say is, your team have light speed reactions(we'll Naruto does), but not combat speed feats apart from you saying things like "Naruto would blitz itachi who reacted to lightning" I've provided combat sped feats above. Anyway your team is slower than relativistic as guy was relativistic and managed to warp space, while the Naruto trio never came close to doing something like that. so Naruto team are slower than relativistic, while Boros and Satiama is > sub relativistic and Garou is sub relativistic
- Okay they have a soul, They pull it back Like Naruto did due to being WAY stronger than him, even if RS cut us on a cellular level it doesn't bypass durability, Sasuke has never Teleported Anything inside of anyones brain xdddddd, Madara > Boros and Garou(just proved that) and
Sasuke and Madara have no reason to hold back like Nagato did (to capture Kurama) and can simply restrain them with
Nagato was edo tensie and I'm pretty sure he wasn't holding back (not like he had control over his body) and Pain used soul rip aswell against fodder and it wasn't instant:
- Onoki had no feats and he resisted it, saitama can hold his breathe and punch it away, Garou could hold his breathe( well should be able to hold his breathe long enough for saitama to punch is away and that pollen was pretty visible in the anime.
Onoki resisting it IS a feat. Saitama won't realise whats happening until its too late. Garou won't realise either. They won't realise until they're knocked out.
you're not getting my point, ohnoki had no prior feats and resisted it, so the op trio will be fine
He lacks quantifiable speed feats
hes faster than Garou who I've proved is Sub relativistic
He lack any good durability feats
apart form tanking multi country punches from saitama though
His physicals aren't enough to get through our Susanoo and Kyuubi
Even though they only have country level durability and each hit from boros is multi country +
He lacks the skill to deal with our Precognition, Shadow/Wood Clones, Skill and any Limbo in CQC
meh, he doesn't need skill when he outclasses you in raw strength by a large margin
He lacks any cutting resistance feats to survive a Rasenshuriken
Madara and Naruto got pierced by swords as well, which means they don't have any cutting resistance feats either, which means this would kill them
His alien biology isn't a good enough argument as we see him breathing heavily after his fight with Saitama
fair enough, though he managed to survive in space so he obviously doesn't breathe oxygen
He can't BFR us with the kick as Naruto, Madara and Sasuke can fly
BFR isn't allowed anyway as stated by the OP but okay
He can be sealed by Magnet Release
Even though it has no feats restrained someone as strong as the OPM trio?
Garou
Much like Boros, Garou has his own niche. His skill.
However...
The only speed feat you've shown is a whopping Mach 40
It was sub relativistic
His durability is lacklustre
Apart from tanking multi country level punches from Saitama
His striking is just as meh to them both
even though he one-shots sasuke?
He (much like your other members) can't counter our clones or spores
Ohnoki(an old man) survived spores
He also can't survive a Rasenshuriken from naruto
He can as he has piercing resistance feats unlike Naruto and Madara
he manages to block them with his hand which means he tanked a sword, unlike Naruto.....
Our superior Precognition (Garou's relies on the opponent being an amateur) will let us win along with our speed and strength
We stomp you in strength, superior precog? meh, Garous does not rely on the opponent being an amateur , he fought tank top master, watchdog man, bug god, light speed flash, atomic samurai etc etc
Magnet Release or soul rip
Magnet release is fearless, we pull our souls back
Saitama
Oh boy...
- Same old on speed
Hes faster than garou which means he sub relativistic
Your cutting and piercing durability are literally non existent
just like Madara and Naruto, so Saitama throws a rock at them and they die
He won't use his planet busting punches in character and Precognition counter his strength
He's used that punch Agains EC, Garou and Boros so its not OOC, how does precog counter strength?
He will be wore down by spores and clones
Again, spores are featless and can be punched away and seen
His skill is none existent
so?
Soul rip boyo
we pull out souls back
Been a fun CaV @chaos239 ima open voting
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CaV is over who do you guys think won?
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Who do you think won?
@chaos239: @vsw: I am not actually gonna vote for anyone because there were a lot of arguments that just didn't sit well with me from both of you guys.
The argument that Soul steal has never been used on non-humans so it wouldn't work on Boros is like me saying that Saitama has never punched people with chakra so his strength wouldn't work on Naruto.
The other thing I disliked was that Saitama has no skill which sounded kinda iffy.
Other than lowballing each other, you guys did nice.
@chaos239: @vsw: I am not actually gonna vote for anyone because there were a lot of arguments that just didn't sit well with me from both of you guys.
The argument that Soul steal has never been used on non-humans so it wouldn't work on Boros is like me saying that Saitama has never punched people with chakra so his strength wouldn't work on Naruto.
The other thing I disliked was that Saitama has no skill which sounded kinda iffy.
Other than lowballing each other, you guys did nice.
Garou dodges, holds his own and gets off several punches because Saitama has no skill, he literally calls Martial Arts a bunch of cool tricks.
@chaos239: @vsw: I am not actually gonna vote for anyone because there were a lot of arguments that just didn't sit well with me from both of you guys.
The argument that Soul steal has never been used on non-humans so it wouldn't work on Boros is like me saying that Saitama has never punched people with chakra so his strength wouldn't work on Naruto.
The other thing I disliked was that Saitama has no skill which sounded kinda iffy.
Other than lowballing each other, you guys did nice.
Garou dodges, holds his own and gets off several punches because Saitama has no skill, he literally calls Martial Arts a bunch of cool tricks.
I have only read the manga and have yet to see Garou vs Saitama so I am gonna reserve judgment. You might be right but I am gonna wait until I actually read the fight. Sorry, cool Cav.
@streak619: Don't comic vine rules say if the way the world works isn't specified assume it works like real life? Souls don't exist in real life, so why should we just assume all fictional characters have souls? So it's not that Saitama doesn't have a soul, but until it's proven you can't just assume he does. He may or may not have one.
@streak619: Don't comic vine rules say if the way the world works isn't specified assume it works like real life? Souls don't exist in real life, so why should we just assume all fictional characters have souls? So it's not that Saitama doesn't have a soul, but until it's proven you can't just assume he does. He may or may not have one.
Saitama is just strong.
Life Energy also exists in OPM and verse equalisation comes first chances are.
@alextheboss: you can't compare soul to chi or chakra who are inventedby the author for his universe. It's kind of a different thing, because it has no interactiom with anything else and even in our world a lot of people believe in souls
@chaos239: What do you mean by life energy? And does a type of energy prove souls/an afterlife? Like I said I actually think it's likely OPM characters have souls, but I'm not sure if there is enough proof to say they definitely could get their soul stolen. Something like soul steal could be mentioned to break a tie, but if let's say team Saitama is winning solidly (not saying that's necessarily the case here) then soul steal shouldn't be enough to be a crux of an argument.
@insertnewname: I agree souls and chakra/chi are separate.
@alextheboss: As in just that, Tatsumaki compares it to Ki and Chakra iirc
It proves that external energies exist and souls shouldn't be a stretch.
@chaos239: Ya I agree it isn't a stretch, but my point is there isn't enough info to say soul steal gg. Bringing it up as a posssbility is fine though.
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