CAV: MCU Iron Man (SR) VS Agent Venom (The-Seeffiss17)

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The Combatants

MCU Iron Man (SR)

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Agent Venom (@the-seeffiss17)

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Rules

  • In Character
  • Morals On
  • To the death or incap
  • No civilians
  • For the sake of debate, Venom doesn't know what an Iron Man is nor what they are capable of
  • No Hulkbuster/Igor suit
  • This is Venom from the Agent Venom run

Voting and Comments

Please keep your opinions on the battle until after the debate has concluded. This is a CaV, so any external influence could alter the results. Thank you for co-operation :)

Comment "T4V" if you want to be notified when the voting starts. When voting, please provide reasons as to why you thought that person won, as this will help both debaters.

Voting will be left open for three days or first to ten votes.

Please show respect and courtesy and enjoy the debate :D

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@spector_rand: Oh and BTW man, no rush to post. I won't be able to post until Thursday, I have exams this week.

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@spector_rand: :L I wanted to do this match awhile ago, Wanted HB Ironman thou, Tag for Votes, and if you need a replacement for A.Venom debater, I can do it,

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@agentghostrider: you will be tagged bro.

And woah woah woah... Slow down there bro... What's this talk about a replacement? XD

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@the-seeffiss17: XD I was just saying that because some times people can't commit, and if he really wanted to do this match and for some reason you couldn't I could, I wasn't trying to take your place right now

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@the-seeffiss17: be up in a day or two bro definitely no later :)

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@the-seeffiss17: be up in a day or two bro definitely no later :)

Post will be up in a few hours :)

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@spector_rand hey man, i've had an issue with my main account getting wrongly banned. But I contacted the MODs and they are working on contacting the staff to get my other account back up. In the mean time I'll be using this alt to debate.

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@seeffiss-alt17: Ok awesome, I'll be posting soon, christmas/new years kinda caught up to me haha.

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@seeffiss-alt17: Ok sorry about the wait. Christmas and the New Year kinda caught up to me haha.

MCU Iron Man - Opener

Big Dog is here to play >:)

Genius. Billionaire. Playboy. Philanthropist.
Genius. Billionaire. Playboy. Philanthropist.

Anthony Edward Stark, called Tony by most, is a self-proclaimed eccentric genius, billionaire, playboy and philanthropist. He is also an armored superhero known asIron Man. Fresh off from defeating enemies the world over, Stark reluctantly agreed to serve as a consultant to Nick Fury's peacekeeping intelligence agency S.H.I.E.L.D.Stark joined the Avengers and helped defeat the Chitauri during the Battle of New York. Due to the battle, he suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder, leading him to create the Iron Legion. After the Battle on the Norco, the final event of Aldrich Killian's War, he destroyed all of his armors with the Clean Slate Protocol.

However, when the Avengers were officially reassembled, Stark created new armors to fight the remnants of HYDRA. Once the threat had been ended, Stark, with the help of Bruce Banner, built Ultron as a peace-keeping A.I. to protect the world, but it defected and chose to destroy humanity instead. Through the work of the Avengers, Ultron was defeated. After the war, however, Stark retired from the team, still haunted by his role in the chaos the A.I. created.

Tony's Advantages

I'll keep the feats light for now, don't wanna play all my cards at once.

Flight

Tony's main advantage here, he's extremely fast in flight and is capable of easily reaching Mach speeds. What's more, Tony has no problem doing flying "drive by" attacks or speed blitzing his enemies, as he does this consistently.

He moves so fast, in fact, that he has even reached blur speeds.

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His tendency for speeding ranged attacks and fast and powerful blitzes mean he is very suited and historically well adapted to using his range, flight and speed to his advantage.

Arsenal

Iron Man comes equipped with dozens of ranged weaponry options, with varying levels of lethality. He has his repulser beams, rockets of varying size and strength, high powered laser attacks and his highly powerful uni-beam.

A lot of his attacks play into one of Venom's major weaknesses: Fire. He can either directly create flame due to his explosives or generate massive quantities of heat with his other attacks.

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Now, Tony won't start this battle aware of Venom's weakness to heat. However, he has a keen tactical mind and is highly intelligent. Once he see's these weapons are effective, he will definitely capitalise.

If Tony resorts to using his Lasers or Uni Beam, Venom will be toast. The Lasers will bisect him and he doesn't have the reaction time to dodge while the uni beam will burn a hole through his chest. Tony has the ability to one hit kill Venom, and if the fight goes on long enough he will do so.

Physicals

Stark is extremely durable and physically powerful. His armour has tanked shots from Iron Monger, Thor, Whiplash and Ultron before. Physically, he is exceptionally strong and is a match for, if not stronger than Venom in this regard.

Other Advantages

Tony will gladly kill an enemy, and has done so before. Venom (or Flash in particular), has many more issues pertaining to his morals. You cannot argue that he will go for the kill right off the bat, especially against someone he doesn't know or cannot confirm his villainy/evil.

Venom cannot damage Tony with bullets, he cannot physically defeat him nor can he smother him. Tony's suit was shown to be completely sealed when in space or in water. Venom has no way to put Tony down, cannot keep up with him at range nor has any idea of what type of weaponry he is bringing to this fight.

Tony has too many ways to put Venom down, from varying degrees of range, while Venom has no realistic way to end Tony, nor will he immediately go for it or shown the tactical acumen to devise a plan against foes on Tony's level on the fly.

Thanks for waiting and sorry it took so long. Your move :)

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@spector_rand: NP my friend, seriously don't sweat it.

I might be able to get something up tonight, tomorrow is most likely.

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@spector_rand: So yeah I lied lol. Pushing things back to Friday - Saturday (tho aiming for Friday). My physics teacher assigned us a huge project and essay due Monday.

I'm the only freshman in the class so when she said chose your partner I didn't know anyone and got stuck this some retarded kid (not in an offensive way but he doesn't even try) so I'm kinda doing he whole thing... -_-

Sorry to bore you with my life problems, but that's gonna take up most of my time, sorry man. The rest of the debate should go more smoothly on my end, but RL can be a bish sometimes lol.

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@seeffiss-alt17: Hahaha dude don't even worry man take as much time as you need and good luck with the assignment

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Flash Thompson AKA: Agent Venom!

Swinging into action!
Swinging into action!

Bio/ Origins -

Powers/ Abilities -

  • Enhanced Strength: Agent Venom's strength is of the major factors that separates him from the other "Spiders". While the other Spider's are incredibly strong street level characters (multi-tonners) Venom is even stronger. Easily able to rip through metals, lift over 10 tons, and knock out other highly rated street levelers with a single strike.
  • Enhanced Durability: Another attribute that set's Venom apart from his Spider contemporaries. Venom is bullet proof, can easily survive military grade explosions, and is highly resistance to blunt force.
  • Regenerative Powers: Where Flashes durability would fail (which doesn't happen often mind you) his regeneration will cover his bases. The Venom symbiote almost instantaneously regenerates any damaged flesh or part of it's host.
  • Enhanced Speed: This is where are Spider excels, and Venom is no exception. Casual bullet timing, enhanced reactions, you know the drill.
  • Organic Webbing: Like every other Venom, the symbiote grants Flash organic webs.
  • Wall Crawling: Standard spider power.
  • Spider Sense: Standard spider power.
  • Camouflage: Flash is skilled enough to be completely undetectable, even from Spider-Sense.

Paraphernalia -

  • Hand guns
  • Military grade explosives (grenades, C4, etc.)
  • Bullet proof armor
  • The symbiote's ability to create weapons from itself

Skills/ Other Assets -

  • Military grade tactician and training
  • Expert marksman
  • High amount of experience fighting other super-powered beings

Initial Points -

I know this is just an opening post, but I would like to quickly go over some claims you made in your opening post regarding Venom's weaknesses and how you plan on executing your victory. As well as cover my own bases in terms of overall advantages.

Morals:Contrary to what you claimed in your opening post, Flash is no stranger to killing at all. He is a soldier and a mercenary. If Tony is creating collateral damage (which he and the avengers typically do, quite a lot), or threatening Flash he will put him down in a heart beat. Plus you have to consider the massively increased rage and bloodlust created from the Symbiote.

Secondly, you state Tony is MORE likely to kill someone he doesn't know than Agent Venom? Definitely not man... He has never killed someone he has never met, unless they threatened him or civilians. He definitely wouldn't open with a kill shot, where as assassination is what Venom is more commonly deployed to do.

List of characters Flash killed or attempted to kill in his career:

And this is all done out of Flashes own free-will. Often times Flash allows the Symbiote to take the helm and the Symbiote lacks any morals or sense of remorse at all. This was displayed during his infiltration of the Devil's Den Casino during his hunt for Crime-Master.

Then you have factor in that Venom is just a guy combatting Tony, not an international terrorist or someone threatening civilians. So to claim Ironman is more likely to resort to killing is pretty outlandish considering who Agent Venom is.

Weakness to Fire:While this is one of the default weaknesses of the Symbiote, it is easily worked around. Flash has honed the Symbiote probably to the highest potential we've seen from anyone of it's wielders, so much so that Flash not only has over come this weakness, but it hardly affects him at all. In fact, most high powered explosives and/or heat attacks do NOTHING to Flash at all.

Grade A military missiles, have cause Flash no problem whatsoever after extensive training:

Experience/ Tactics:While Ironman is a genius, he is not a combative genius, hence why Cap. is often needed to lead the pack. He's a normal guy, with no martial arts training and little combat experience, especially against super powered foes. While he has had his fair share of fights, very rarely does he use tactics at all. In fact he rarely makes use of the range you talked about in 1v1's. Sure he'll use missiles and a repulser to spray down a group, but look at his fight versus Thor (Avengers 1), he took the fight to close range and got pretty banged up (when at heightened power).

Then you look at a someone trained in the military, has years of war experience to draw from, and has fought against DOZENS of foes on Ironmans level and taken on some who significantly outclass Ironman such as Red Hulk and Megattak (a Thor villain). He has so much combat experience to draw from, it makes Ironman seem like he's never even been in a fight.

Those ranged tools will be almost null and void simply due to Ironman's choice to often engage opponents despite being fully capable of just flying up and spamming them.

Overall Advantages/ Summary -

  • Venom has the strength required to damage Ironman.
  • Durability required to take his shots, and what he can't tank he can recover off.
  • Has the speed required to dodge most projectiles and keep the distance small.
  • Superior tactical ingenuity.
  • Flashes willingness to put Ironman down.
  • Tony's style nullify's many of his advantages.
  • Your main exploitable weakness is not really a weakness at all, Venom has the feats to say you can't exploit this weakness effectively at all.
  • Venom will win xD

Of course these will all be debated as we go on, but these are the main points i'm standing by that will accumulate to Venom's victory.

Alright! That'll do it for now, back over to you my friend @spector_rand best of luck! :) (I may edit this for grammatical/ formatting errors, it's late, so yeah, but the bulk of the info will remain the same).

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@spector_rand: Friendly bump since you said it'd be done today and I have a lot of free time (for the first time in awhile, no HW). :)

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nice. T4V.

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Tag for votes please"

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@spector_rand: Hey I was just rereading over this and I noticed some things I had in spoiler blocks didn't show up, gonna edit those in today. :)

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So, uh, why did this die??