CaV: MCU Captain Marvel (money_brings_happiness) vs DCEU Superman (kk88)

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Rules:

  • Setting is Metropolis
  • In character, but willing to kill
  • No BFR
  • Random Encounter

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  • Vote for who debated best
  • Briefly explain your reasoning
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#4  Edited By Money_Brings_Happiness  Online

@kryptonianking88: An opener, counters, and a conclusion could get it done so three post.

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Intro:

Carol Danvers aka the superhero Captain Marvel is a former air force pilot that gained powers after an accident involving the tesseract/space stone. The Accident gave her a multitude of abilities and made her one of if not the strongest hero on the planet.

Strength:

CM has Superman in physical strength as she caught a building sized missile heading towards earth at supersonic speeds and overpowered its thrust and threw it miles into the air back into the other missiles this is has been calced by @divinevisitor: to be 612,687.2 tons of force the entire calc is presented right here.

“Carol takes 12 seconds between grabbing the missile and throwing it. If we assume it took half that time to bring the missile to a stop and used the stats for the largest Earth ballistic missile which weighs 200 tons and travels at 5,000 meters per second then we can work it out from there. However the missile is fired from outside the atmosphere so let's assume it's travelling at least re-entry speed when Carol stops it. Assuming those variables it would impact with 459.621 MegaNewtons or 51,663 short-ton-force meaning Carol needs to be at least this strong to bring it to a standstill in 6 seconds.

Throwing it backwards is also hard to calculate since as soon as she turns it around the missile will propel towards the other missiles but let's take that out of the equation for simplicity sake.

It appears Carol manages to throw the missile about 10 missile lengths in around 3 seconds. If we assume the missile is about 35 meters long like the largest Earth ballistic missile that means she's thrown the equivalent of 51,663 short tons 350 meters in 3 seconds at 116.3 meters per second.

Which would require 612,687.2 shot-ton force.”

Now to be perfectly honest he was debating against CM at the time he posted the calc but it is still solid. And what's best is this is just catching it doesn’t take into account the fact she threw it hard enough to cause it to twirl around and it also takes liberties on the exact size of the missle the feat could potentially be much more like way more than this calc which still dwarves Superman's best calculable strength feat.

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She also overpowered Thanos who is stronger than Thor who moved millions of tons in infinity war when he performed the rings feat.

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She also carried the guardians ship across thousands of light years. She is much stronger than Superman as long as you don’t take into account the plate feat. I believe the plate feat never happened as I feel it likely was paying homage to Reeves Superman who did move a plate. Superman has no feat near that level and I will never under any circumstances believe that it is a valid feat.

Striking:

I am going to make an outrageous statement right here. CM hits harder than Superman.

An accuser ship was able to remain mostly intact after this. CM flew through one like butter. This is the Dark aster which is a slight variant on the average ship but they should scale to it because they are all modeled pretty much exactly the same.

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Her bullrushes are outputting massive amounts of force. In fact the Dark aster is confirmed to be 4828 meters. The average accuser ship is a little bit smaller than that but they are about ¾ the size of the dark aster. This would make them 3621 meters long. And roughly 800 meters tall. In order to destroy that much metal like she did would be ridiculous like I am talking millions of tons of force.

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And let's talk about Sanctuary 2. The ship has been confirmed to be 4147 meters long.

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And height wise it is around a thousand meters high give or take. CM punched a massive hole in it.

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The holes literally dwarf the remains of Avengers HQ. In order to destroy that much of the ship and decimate that much metal would take millions of tons of force. She arguably has the best striking in the MCU barring god tiers like Surtur and Dormammu. This feat is better than any other striking feat performed every by any other character barring those two in the MCU. Her base punches scale above Hulks as she did more damage to Thanos with two punches then Hulk did in nearly ten actually bruising Thanos.

Thanos before his fight with CM and after shows he was bruised extensively from their fight. And it is around the spots CM punches as well.

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Captain Marvel constantly hits hard enough to completely disintegrate the spaceships she hits as well. The middle of the ships don't just break the points where she hits them completely disintegrate nearly instantly. Superman has never actually destroyed metal as easily as CM. He breaks through concrete and bulletproof glass easy enough but against Metal he never destroys it in this fashion.

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Her normal punches can also create a large AOE that sends opponents flying and seemingly disintegrates a large portion of this metal bridge.Assuming the metal of the bridge is roughly as durable as stainless steel and was 500 millimeters thick and was around 9 feet long the force required to disintegrate it in the fashion she did would be 104 thousand tons of force. That is likely lowballed as well, her striking is more than enough to drop Superman. And this is before she fully awakened as well and this was a casual punch as well.

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Her hits against Thanos were also visually comparable to mjolnir strikes. And as I have already stated, scale above Hulks.

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And being visually comparable to Mjolnir is great since Mjolnir can do this.

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Carol is way more destructive than Superman and her hits are much more effective. Superman for instance never actually did any visual damage against Zod in his fight against him.

Durability:

CM also has the advantage of durability.

CM also no sold a head butt from Thanos the same Thanos ragdolled Ironman and temporarily incapacitated Thor with a that same headbutt the same Thor who survived the Sokovia explosion and getting thrown from the bifrost at massively supersonic speeds. Thor legit is never seen after this headbutt so it is safe to assume he is completely KOed.

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She also no sold an explosion that dwarfed a nuclear one in size.

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We are shown how powerful the missiles CM no sold are earlier in the movie. These cause massive amounts of damage and were stated to be capable of wiping out all life on earth and while CM obviously isn't planetary she is well into the extremely large city range in sheer durability potentially.

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Carol no sold rainfire which was able to one shot leviathans and they decimated avengers HQ and she took multiple hits repeatedly with no damage.

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Also right before her fight with Thanos she had been hit with an explosion that leveled part of the battle field.

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And only a minute later she had recovered and had overpowered Thanos. Take in mind this explosion created a shockwave so big it disturbed Doctor Strange’s water tornado and stretched across the entire battlefield.

Speed:

Reaction speeds are shown here as she dodges massively supersonic blast while flying across thousands of miles at supersonic speeds casually.

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Her mobility plus her striking power is shown here as well where she is tearing through the entire kree armada with ease. And at likely massively supersonic speeds as well as she crosses the distance from earth to the kree armada and then across large amounts of space distance all while fighting.

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The entire fight scene at the end of her solo movie had her traveling across massive amounts of distance all while fighting an armada of ships at massively supersonic speeds. She also searched an entire planet in around a minute and found Thanos. She is more than fast enough to fight Superman.

Skill:

I will keep this brief. CM absolutely stomps him out in skill and experience. She has had her powers for 30 years and we are shown her skill in her sparring match against Yon Rogg. She also outskilled skrulls while depowered and other kree.

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Range:

Carols photon blasts are also nothing to be trivaled with. She also disintegrated massive amounts of spaceship material with her photon blast.

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I doubt this is that much of a game changer but if she needs to be at range she can still do some damage from afar.

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Conclusion:

CM has nearly every stat on Superman. She has in two movies acquired a plethora of feats that make Superman's look pitiful. She is stronger, more durable, more skilled, hits harder, and is just as fast. I see the fight starting and then taking to the air relatively quickly as that is how Superman usually fights opponents who can fly. She overpowers him after during the fight and snaps his neck taking only moderate damage to her person. And that is being generous Superman's speed and durability might make it interesting but overall CM is simply too powerful. Supes could hit her for hours and not put her down. Meanwhile she can beat him down and snap his bones with ease.

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SUPERMAN

"If I wanted it, you'd be dead already"

INTRO:

Superman is the last son of Krypton and the most powerful hero of Earth. Due to the Earth's yellow sun, Superman has a wide variety of powers: heat vision, super strength and durability, frost breath, super speed, and enhanced senses.

This opener will present some feats and how Superman wins this battle. I will get into counters the next post

Strength:

Wonder Woman was able to restrain Doomsday with her lasso and Aquaman is able to lift submarines

  • Casually overpowered Wonder Woman when she attempted to lasso him
  • Separated the Motherboxes with some help from Cyborg
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The Motherboxes required Zeus to separate, who, with his dying breath, created an island

Superman is strong enough to at least contest her strength if she manages to get him in a grapple

Durability:

  • Survived a nuke
  • Tanked flying through a mountain top
  • Withstood the immense gravity of the Kryptonian terraforming machine
  • Tanked hits from Zod, which were stated to be able send a safe into orbit. Their collisions sent massive shockwaves which knocked over cranes (novel) and lifted dusts for hundreds of feet
  • No sold the Capital explosion
  • Took hits from Doomsday, who hits harder than Superman's own bullrush
  • Barely hurt by Wonder Woman's shield bash, which send Doomsday sliding several feet back

Superman should have no problem tanking Carol's hits, whether they be her blasts or punches

Speed:

  • Blitzed Wonder Woman before she could clash her bracelets. Wonder Woman is a casual bullet timer and has deflected several machine gun rounds at close range
  • Effortlessly outpaced Steppenwolf, who was keeping up with both Wonder Woman and Aquaman, who can react to energy blasts and grenade launchers
  • Statued the League while battling the Flash - this has been calced to be in the mach 100-200 range. Flash himself has been stated to be able to punch at the speed of light by Snyder, though he obviously wasn't at top speed here

Superman, as of Justice League, frequently abuses his speed against speed against slower opponents. Given that he's moved FTE to someone who is even faster than Carol, it's safe to say that Carol is not touching him at all in this battle

Striking:

  • Busted through a mountain top in his first test flight
  • Busted through the World Engine, which replicated the Accuser ship feat, while weakened
  • Casually knocked a large hole into a Kryptonian wall, which, again, replicated the Accuser ship feat
  • Severely stunned Wonder Woman with a headbutt, who can tank hits from Doomsday (with some aid from her shield)
  • His collisions with Zod created shockwaves that knocked over cranes

Clark hits much harder than Carol and should have little trouble putting her down

Heat Vision:

  • Sliced through Zod's ship
  • Bisected a skyscraper (tie in)
  • Stated to be as hot as the surface of the Sun

Heat vision will severely hurt Carol and should give an easy win to Clark. It will also help break any grapples and create openings for Clark

Conclusion: How Superman wins

Superman is at least strong enough to contend with Carol, durable enough to take several of her hits, strikes hard enough to hurt her, is leagues above her in combat speed, and has an easy win in heat vision. I see two ways for Superman to win:

A long extended brawl, with Clark blitzing Carol all through Metropolis until she eventually goes down.

Superman frying her with heat vision after she withstands a few of his hits, the same thing he did against Steppenwolf

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Strength:

Superman has no feats on the level I showed CM has. For instance Superman has never crushed a diamond on screen and most of his statements are likely hyperbole such as the stronger than a planet statement. Flying through the glass panels of a building is not impressive and that is literally what 50 percent of Superman's best strength feats are. He goes through concrete and glass easily which is unimpressive. Physically his best calculable strength feat is pulling a ship threw ice and catching a falling spaceship. Neither of these come close to the missle feat or overpowering Thanos. And separating mother boxes isn’t impressive as well. Zeus likely used matter manipulation to create an island which is entirely different from his lightning. Carol would still manhandle Superman in pure physical strength.

Durability:

First off Superman literally was wasted by the Nuke. And it was likely only the heat of the nuke that wasted him as he was in space which likely greatly affected the power of the Nuke. Secondly all his other feats are irrelevant in the face of Carols striking. I have shown that she hits way harder than anyone barring Doomsday himself that Superman has faced. Tanking shockwaves that move dust and destroy concrete is cool but once again unimpressive compared to someone who decimates massive amounts of metal with every strike. To put it into perspective steel has a density of 7900 kg/m3. Compare this to the density of concrete is 2400 kg/m3 and it becomes clear that destroying massive amounts of metal is much more impressive than shattering glass and destroying concrete structures. Superman is going to get wasted by CM’s hits; her bulrushes deliver more force then literally any opponent Superman has ever faced including DD and her base strikes are greater than Zods by a large margin.

Speed:

In grand the scale of things, searching an entire planet in a minute and fighting a massive armada of spaceships that are traveling across space and earth at massively supersonic speeds is a better combat speed feat than literally everything shown for Superman. On the ground yeah Superman is faster but in the air which is where this battle is going CM is going to be able to perceive Superman and combat him with relative ease. She was likely traveling hundreds of times the speed of sound if not more in the final battle of CM.

Striking:

Like I have already stated rock does not measure up to metal under any circumstances. The mountain feat is cool but it has nothing on rainfire or her tanking the explosion the missiles formed or no selling a headbutt from Thanos. And he busted through the exposed part of the WE he literally flies through the beam part of it which is exposed and noticeably different from the rest of the ship. And stunning WW once again is unimpressive. Her best blunt force durability feats all involve her shield. And better yet his entire fight with Zod consists of them knocking each other through glass and concrete. Overall Clarks best striking feats are literally nothing compared to the Accuser feat, and the Sanctuary 2 feat. Her base striking has shown to be able to destroy massive amounts of metal and outclasses sending human size objects through glass and concrete. I still don’t think people understand the size of Sanctuary 2. It is literally nearly 3 times bigger than Mount Rushmore and is half the size of Mount Everest. She is destroying millions of tons of metal and is outputting more force than Superman has ever shown the capability of replicating.

Heat vision:

Is irrelevant. CMs photon blast completely outclassed it. It knocked down a skyscraper by destroying a small portion of it and having the rest fall and while destroying Zod's ship is impressive CM destroyed a whole armada of ships with her photon blast.

Conclusion:

Superman is still outclassed in literally every category. Superman is not strong enough to contend with CM and would get thrashed if he tried to grapple. He is not durable enough to take million plus ton level bulrushes and casual 100k plus ton casual strikes and would get worn down in minutes in a slug fest. He barely strikes hard enough to hit her at all. He may do some cosmetic damage with his best bullrushes but it would take like an hour of him just beating on her to actually put her down with blunt force trauma. Thanos strikes just as hard if not harder being able to decimate Thor and Hulk with his strikes both of which have comparable blunt force durability yet when he hit CM it barely even registered and did zero damage.

I see Superman getting off an initial bullrush sending them to the sky where CM quickly out maneuvers him due to superior air mobility and speed. She does tons of damage with bullrushes that do a ton of damage and either straight up beats him to death or grappels him eventually and gives him the Zod treatment. She can tank all his shots with ease and likely doesn’t even register his heat vision. CM is vastly stronger, quite a bit more durable and makes his striking look pitiful. She has shown insane perception and reaction speed and has flown and fought across great distances. Superman is simply outclassed in this fight.

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@money_brings_happiness:

Just a tip, quote the arguments made by your opponent and then counter there. Also, I see that it’s your first CAV so I would also suggest to use hyperlinks over the normal feats (for example, destroying steel) and posting the GIF for the best feat for your character, it helps visually and in seeing arguments.

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@chaoselement: i don’t usually debate DC so I don’t have a lot of gifs

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#24  Edited By Supermanforever

@kryptonianking88 said:

@chaoselement: i don’t usually debate DC so I don’t have a lot of gifs

ive did a respect thread for man of steel. Quite popular like 2 years ago. I can link it if you want with all the gifs, info etc and feat breakdown,

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@supermanforever said:
@kryptonianking88 said:

@chaoselement: i don’t usually debate DC so I don’t have a lot of gifs

ive did a respect thread for man of steel. Quite popular like 2 years ago. I can link it if you want with all the gifs, info etc and feat breakdown,

You had many odd things in that thread. Like Superman having statue force (which never happened) or having destroyed the WE etc.

oh dude please. You need to put down the crack and werent you the one crying aboyut ignoring me few days ago? Very hilarous. I thought nobody would surpass erkan in wanking of mcu, but you left him in dust.

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@kryptonianking88 said:

@supermanforever: that'd be good, thanks

I would not trust his word, with a nickname like that. He has some high balled calcs and opinions on that respect thread.

Like Superman having statue force or Zod overpowering a bullrushing Superman. Nothing that happened in the actual movies.

You are shitting me right now. You are acting like a ten years old kid that complains on everything to his mom srsly.

So you use thanos pic then with same logic you should not be trusted either? and half of a vine since everyone use some kind of supehero nickname and i was superman fan long before man of steel. Pathetic attempt yet again.

Superman had the statueforce although there is more to it then just "statuing", but your weak knowledge of physics is probably not good enough for it.

Now ignoring all the calculations, physics and logic if you watch that scene and dont think its statuing of the rest of the crew then you either are blind or straight up ignorant of on panel showings.

I dare you to make a voting pole right now with question of "did superman and flash statue wonder woman, cyborg and aquaman" with pole answers yes or no. See what people actually think. Though i doubt that you are capable of accepting any matter and have to choose the fanboy assumptions instead.

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#33  Edited By Supermanforever

@chaoselement:

I do not ''wanked'' anything and Erkan is a better debater than you, i am pretty sure.

I guess you would say that, since you are doing same thing as him. Erkan good debater? you are talking about a guy that thinks captain america can take down nam ek. Yep

''Supermanforever'' simply is not a reliable source,

If you think a name decides why a source is reliable or not, then you are deluded. Sounds like a xenophobia/antisemitism pretty much.

it does not look like an objective person.

Thats acording to whom? You? a dude who everyone laughs at vine.

He claimed that Zod overpowered a bullrushing Superman in the clash, something that never happened in the movie since Superman was moving in forward.

This is what it was thought to be happened from the begining, then one of our friends on vine actually did a research frame by frame and it was shown that Zod actually was the one who overpowered superman with a bullrush. Check your facts before starting to call out people.

Also, he did not post the feat were Superman failed to statue bullets.

Thats not a feat nor was it something that made into the script or the movie. It was part of the concept art that is half animated 3d model. What makes you think that they would not slow down those bullets in the final act?

This is just my opinion.

Not every opiniojn is good.. Thats why facts are better than some opinions.

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@chaoselement:

Well, you conceded that Zod did not overpower Superman in the clash. Yet, your thread has still that post in the strenght section.

Again you dont know the facts so dont shit all over the place. This part was analysed frame by frame and it appeared that zod actually did that not the other way around.

it was that during the clash atleast if we are talking about the part were zod and superman clashed first scene, they both were poushed back together, but zod ended up being one that stands while clark was thrown into the building and fact is that in bvs scene clark was the on flying after the clash.

Also, JL was standing like statue like that before Flash used his super-speed. A bullet is still moving in the canon concept art, which confirms that;

concept art is not canon. Canon is what makes to the final cut or books of comics releated to the story. Concept art is just a concept art. There could be hundreds of those. You dont even know what canon is lmao.

A - They we’re not moving faster than Mach 5 since Diana was falling

Diana was literaly frozen mid air, she was moving trough the air because he pushed her and since you probably are bad in physics anyway, then there is a thing called law of motion.

B - A police squad is able to react and percieve them.

Prove that the polic art could actually percieve them moving at that speed. Ill be waiting for the scan.

Also, how I am a Thanos anything?ff

Thats how it works according to your logic releated to my name.

I do not overrate Thanos neitherf

Thats what you think.

I have wanked the MCU.

You did worse

I do not have any bias neither a nickname like that.

Thats makes the matter even worse, because that means you really believe in those crap opinions of your while ignoring the facts.

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@chaoselement: @supermanforever:Hey you guys can debate the powerlevel of Superman in a Superman thread for now it would be perferred if you didn't debate it here.

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@money_brings_happiness said:

@chaoselement: @supermanforever:Hey you guys can debate the powerlevel of Superman in a Superman thread for now it would be perferred if you didn't debate it here.

Ok thanks, I will tag him in another thread.

no dont tag me, im not really interested in wasting my time. As for debunking your final post.

We know about this, but the feat is still in the respect thread.

I dont have this in my respect thread, what i have in my respect thread for this feat. Was only stated that Zod and him collided with each other and caused massive shockwave. I didnt specifically mention who overpoweres whom.

Or maybe i missed it. You can just tell me under which of those parts the feat was stated to be like you are saying.

He has the speed to keep it up since he blitzed Hypersonic Iron Man

Iron man is hypersonic in flight not combat. If flight is what we are considering to be feats then superman is mach 930 which trumps iron man.

plus he was able to do damage to Thanos,

So what? quantify that feat.

who is much stronger

No he is not. Just because say he is does not mean he is.

and more durable than any DCEU Kryptonian.

Thanos durability is crap compared to kryptonians. In every way starting from energy to blunt force.

But honestly i dont have time with this pathetic arguments. You can go and believe in your wet dreams. I dont really care.

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@chaoselement:

again as i said i dont have time wasting on something this obvious.

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#43  Edited By AllHellKingDox

Kk88 not a good Superman debater im currently eating Money in the same debate but carry on

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#46  Edited By KryptonianKing88

COUNTERS: SUPERMAN

"This guy still bothering you?"

STRENGTH:

For instance Superman has never crushed a diamond on screen and most of his statements are likely hyperbole such as the stronger than a planet statement.

The diamond statement is just there to give you an idea of how strong Superman is, they wouldn't show Superman literally crushing a diamond for no reason.

Is it really hyperbole though?

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We've seen Superman escaping a black hole

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It's been stated that he can shift tectonic plates

And he's twice out muscled two machines that were terraforming the entire planet (the motherbox and the World Engine)

And separating mother boxes isn’t impressive as well.

It is. Zeus had to put considerable effort into channeling a blast powerful enough to separate the mother boxes, and even an Ares way past his prime, who Zeus matched, was capable of disintegrating a massive amount of land with his lightning.

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She also overpowered Thanos who is stronger than Thor who moved millions of tons in infinity war when he performed the rings feat.

Thanos was weakened. She had leverage using her flight (which won't help against Superman). The "overpowering" is very brief, Thanos halts her as soon as he puts his other hand down, and he later matches her with one arm while removing the power stone.

This is consistent with him overpowering her on the farm. The ring feat is less impressive when you consider that they were designed to move. They start moving as soon as Thor provides the extra force that breaks the ice.

CAPTAIN MARVEL'S STRIKING/BLASTS

ACCUSER SHIP: She's clearly just flying through the ship, hitting the ship's components along the way causing it to explode. This is less impressive than Superman busting through the World Engine while being pushed down by it's immense gravity

SANCTUARY II: Again, she hit something explosive. Her bullrushes by themselves aren't causing explosions as seen against Thanos on the farm.

Thanos: The bruise could be there in the Thor scene, but not as visible due to lighting. It is more than likely from Mjolnir, those hits were actually stunning him and knocking him several steps back, while Captain Marvel's hits barely rocked his head.

Staggering him is also not impressive. He was getting moved by Spider-Man, more so than Mjolnir or Captain Marvel. Does Spider-Man hit harder than Mjolnir?

In pure striking, she hasn't thrown a punch exceeding Superman casually wrecking Kryptonian metal. And her bullrushes are easily replicated by Superman since he has flown through similar material under a weakened state

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First off Superman literally was wasted by the Nuke

I brought this feat up to show that he can tank her photon blasts, which just blew up ships, not "disintegrate."

CAPTAIN MARVEL'S DURABILITY

Headbutt: Your Thor scaling doesn't work here. Thor was considerably beaten before this instance, having taken a severe beating from Thanos. Cap as well. Carol was relatively fresh. Also worth noting that a throw left her out for around 7 seconds, so she may have been amped by the stones

Ronan's missiles: The explosion she TOOK was at best large building sized

Rain Fire: It's impressive, I'd say it's comparable to laughing off crashing through hundreds of tons of rocks.

Van explosion: Unquantifiable. But since even Iron Man tanked this and the other high tiers were pretty much unaffected, I think this is a low end for Carol.

CAROL'S SPEED/SKILL

Ronan's Fleet: It's a decent feat, but it's nothing to fighting with the Flash or blitzing someone who has comparable feats (blocking dozens of rouds at point blank range)

In grand the scale of things, searching an entire planet in a minute and fighting a massive armada of spaceships that are traveling across space and earth at massively supersonic speeds is a better combat speed feat than literally everything shown for Superman.

I doubt the first one is meant to be a speed feat, the second one doesn't compare to fighting at massively hypersonic speed with the Flash.

Also, Wonder Woman has displayed better combat speed, deflecting dozens of rounds at point blank range, and we've seen Superman move FTE to her.

Her combat speed is clearly not supersonic the same way a fighter pilot is not supersonic. We see her actual combat speed is maybe super soldier tier since she gets tagged by Thanos, who gets tagged by super soldiers.

I condede skill, doesn't really matter in this fight

HEAT VISION:

Is irrelevant. CMs photon blast completely outclassed it. It knocked down a skyscraper by destroying a small portion of it and having the rest fall and while destroying Zod's ship is impressive CM destroyed a whole armada of ships with her photon blast.

I could argue heat vision is on par, but that's not the point. I'm saying she doesn't have the feats to withstand it, they're not performing a beam clash, it's her skin against heat vision.

CONCLUSION

Superman is still just as strong as Carol, though she may be a bit more durable, she still can't put him down with her hits. Her pure striking is unimpressive, and her bullrushes are all easily replicated by even weaker, more inexperienced versions of Clark., and her ranged attacks might, at best, slightly phase Superman a la Cyborg...

If they were to land. Speed is what really kills Carol's odds here, Superman has her vastly outmatched in combat speed. Carol is maybe around Thor level in combat speed, maybe a little faster in the air. Superman, however, makes statues out of people who make Thor look slow. Carol will never land a hit on Superman and likely won't even perceive him as anything but a blur, allowing him to pummel him with hundreds of blows before she can even land one.

My opponent has also not shown anything indicating Carol could tank his heat vision, so Superman still has an easy win in frying her before she can even react.

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#50  Edited By Money_Brings_Happiness  Online

Conclusion:

Striking:

First I will cover the Accuser feat and the Sanctuary 2 feat.

CM has shown time and time again that her strikes cause energy AOE's.

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The explosions are coming from her strikes.

The second her fist makes contact with the ship a massive explosion happens. This part of the ship is literally the hull of it there is nothing here to cause an explosion.

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You can also see her shredding threw the metal and causing even more explosions here.

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The same thing happens with other MCU characters such as Thor who causes lightning AOE's when he destroys ships. It isn't coming from the ships themselves it is coming from their strikes releasing energy and destroying massive amounts of metal. When fully powered up CM's bullrushes are capable of destroying millions of tons of steel. And it simply outclasses Superman in every way.

Further counters to Superman's striking. Creating a small hole in a ship does not equate to decimating millions of tons of metal. And the accuser ship CM destroys is literally gone for the most part she didn't just destroy it she legit disintegrates parts of the metal. You can see her shredding threw it in the gif above. Superman's best bullrushes are maybe a third as powerful. And her normal standing strikes as I have said before produce 104k tons of force. Superman's clash with zod is calced at 400k tons of force and that is the combination of them bullrushing at each other. And the nuke Superman took was only 1.2 megatons CM produces that amount of force in destructive output with her bullrushes. While she does obviously not produce the heat of a nuke in sheer blunt force capability she replicates it with almost every bullrush.

Durability:

My scaling to Thor is fine. Thor was knocked out. While he was beaten previously there is an obvious gap in durability. Thor was ragdolled and beat up in under ten punches every time he fought Thanos. CM no sold his headbutt which seems to be one of his best physical attacks. It did more damage then his punches did to both Thor and Ironman.

The missile explosion expands to be massive. The amount of force is also literally shown in this gif right here they are the kree substitute to nukes.

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Rain fire also decimates more than just a few hundred tons of rock it puts a crater where the area around Avengers HQ used to be. Iron Man was also no where near the van explosion I don't no where you are getting this from. CM was literally the only hero around it. It killed everyone by it except CM.

You also claimed Superman potentially had planet level strength and durability as well. This is simply false but even if I were to entertain the idea the missiles in Captain Marvel were going to wipe out all life on earth if taken at face value would make CM planet level. This is obviously not true but that level of logic simply doesn't make sense. The world engine beam works by manipulating gravity Superman is infinitely less affected than a planet due to the nature of the beam.

Strength:

First off the plate newspaper is also likely a homage to the original Superman movie where he does lift a tectonic plate. Superman has literally zero strength feats near continent level in fact his best calculable strength feat pulling a ship threw ice is calced at 25k tons. This is literally nothing compared to CM's missile feat, and Thor's rings feat.

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And Thanos has never overpowered CM. When he threw her he was in the superior position and had to use all of his strength while she was still overreaching for the gauntlet. Had she have been in a better position she would have overpowered Thanos. She on the other hand has clearly overpowered him. In the gif I posted above you can see her pushing Thanos back straight up. And the icing on the cake is when she overpowers his entire body in one smooth motion.

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The evidence that Thanos is stronger simply does not hold up. The barn scene is easy to poke holes into and the throw is literally meaningless.

Overall CM has a vast physical strength advantage. Superman's physical strength has never been impressive it's always been his striking, speed, and durability. In raw Strength his best feat is snapping Zod's neck which is ambiguous as to how much strength is needed and is at best a 100k tons of force. CM up close would toss Superman around like a toy.

Speed:

You vastly underestimate how much distance CM is covering in the final battle of her movie. The actual space fight take place in under a minute and she crosses thousands of miles during it. Her ariel combat speed is easily equal to Superman's. I will concede on the ground but in the air which is were this fight is going CM is just as fast if not faster. And her perception speed is also insane as she is able to search an entire planet meaning she will have to be able to see while flying at massively hypersonic speeds. Superman's fight against flash is the only thing that holds a candle to it.

And CM also has the old reliable AOE to slow him down.

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Heat vision:

Still is next to useless. The heat of the explosions CM causes likely dwarves it and she tanked this.

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And this is before she powers up completely.

Conclusion:

Superman is still not even in the ballpark of CM in strength and doesn't hold up when compared to her in durability. She hits harder than Zod does and arguably harder then DD himself. Superman is going to be decimated by CM every strike is going to break his body and hurt him bad. Her ranged attacks dwarf heat vision in damage output and heat vision has shown more than effective against him.

On land Superman has CM beat but saying she won't perceive him is ridiculous. Don't forget that while I haven't brought it up CM does have lightspeed travel capabilities. Her perception speed is insane. In fact her perception speed is likely quite a bit better then Supermans. And I can say with almost 100 percent confidence this is going to the air where CM specializes in. CM as shown in the gifs of her destroying accuser ships is capable of throwing punches at massively supersonic speeds. Saying she won't land a hit simply isn't logical.

CM will legit no sell his heat vision in all reality and can tank his strikes for days. Superman simply has no viable way to put CM down in a reasonable amount of time.

Overall CM simply has every advantage. In the air she is faster, she is more durable for certain having way superior blunt force and heat/ energy durability, she hits way harder, she is more skilled, her ranged attacks are way more powerful, she has AOE attacks, along with having military discipline. Superman may beat her in a leg race but in all other categories he is outmatched in some I would argue vastly outmatched. @kryptonianking88, @viking1205, @xzone, @crunch5481