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J'onn J'onzz, The Last Of His Kind

The last of the Martians, J'onn J'onzz is the most powerful member of the 7 original Justice League members. Born on Mars, he became a Manhunter. A Martian cop. Then his people died, yadda yadda. He made his way to Earth, then became kick-ass. Joined the Justice League, died, came back. Then got rebooted and never joined the League, but was still kick-ass.

The Martian Manhunter

J'onn has a plethora of abilities. J'onn's abilities include, but are not limited to:

  • Potentially Unlimited Strength
  • Super Speed
  • Super-Human Durability
  • Telepathy
  • Telekinesis
  • Invisibility
  • Phasing
  • Heat Vision
  • X-Ray Vision
  • Enhanced intelligence

Here I'll post some preliminary feats.

Speed:

I just wanted to show how much faster J'onn can perceive things than you. Even when using TP

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Here in AC #774 Martian Manhunter pulls Superman in the astral plan and has an entire conversation with him, where they even start to travel to different places, all within a 6th of a second. This is just one of the reasons J'onn is faster than you. Even when using his TP. So reading your mind, then acting upon what he's learned will literally be no challenge. But we'll touch upon this specific point later.

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JL Task Force #32, Martian Manhunter is ejected out of a spacecraft going 8 times the speed of light. Which is impressive in its own right, seeing as that's a durability feat. But then he proceeds to fly and catch up to the spacecraft. Which means that he's gone faster than the ship, which is 8 times FTL. But then he proceeds to tag the spacecraft. Which is an excellent reaction feat. Nothing Loki can every hope to replicate.

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And here we have an excellent scan of Martian Manhunter speed blitzing every white Martian on earth. And I'll show you just why that's an impressive feat.

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Here's a white Martian speed blitzing SUPERMAN. Even though Superman knew she was coming. And she easily damaged him. And to think that Martian Manhunter was easily able to one-shot these white Martians, and speed blitz them, is a great way to give an idea on how powerful Martian Manhunter is.

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The first scan shows Martian Manhunter keeping up with Superman and the Flash. That alone is a feat that shows he should blitz your Loki with ease. (However, Wonder Woman was amped, that's the only reason she could keep up.) The next scan shows Martian Manhunter keeping up with a bloodlusted Wally West. This combat speed is nothing anyone on your Loki can replicate, and shows how superior J'onn is to your Loki.

With that, I believe I've proved Martian Manhunter faster than your Loki and could blitz them with ease.

Strength:

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  • In the first scan, we can see Martian Manhunter punching Superboy Prime and harming him. Considering someone like Superboy Prime is on par with villains like Larfleeze and Thanos and has striking feats through the roof. However Prime was weakened in this instance
  • The second scan shows Superman being staggered and pushed into a wall due to J'onn's punch.
  • Now here, in the third scan, we see Martian Manhunter beating up heavyweight tanks, this striking feat was done upon Doomsday, which is again, more durable than Loki. In fact, Martian Manhunter was beating Doomsday until he gained a deus ex machina (Fire breath)
  • This fourth scan shows Martian Manhunter one-shotting Captain Marvel when he was mind control (Although they tussled a little bit beforehand)
  • And this feat is J'onn tackling Amazo, with the entire Justice Leagues power within him.
  • The last one is Martian Manhunter's Hulk impression.

Durability:

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  • Here J'onn Tanks an attack that destroys molecules.
  • Then in the next two scans an explosion that KO's the rest of the Justice League leaves J'onn conscious.
  • J'onn regenerates from being a tiny drop.
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@necronn- said:

@zetsumoto: Meh, I'm done, it's just an opener.

Don't underestimated the weight first impressions.

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T4V this gonna be good.

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T4V please.

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Bamf

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T4V

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You ask me why I did what I did? Ask, rather, why the serpent Nidhogg eats the roots of Yggdrasil -- Why, when the tree's death means, in turn, the dragon's ruin? Because, Thor, I keep telling you -- That is what it was born to do .
You ask me why I did what I did? Ask, rather, why the serpent Nidhogg eats the roots of Yggdrasil -- Why, when the tree's death means, in turn, the dragon's ruin? Because, Thor, I keep telling you -- That is what it was born to do .

Powers:

  • Superhuman strength, speed, durability, intelligence, and skill
  • Asgardian Physiology
  • Energy manipulation
  • Size manipulation
  • Shape shifting
  • Invisibility
  • Intangibility
  • Elemental manipulation
  • Summoning
  • Illusions
  • Replication
  • Telepathy
  • Hypnosis
  • Teleportation
  • Telekinesis
  • Strength sapping/transfer
  • Soul transfer
  • Astral projection
  • Binding/cursing/enchanting/spell breaking
  • Clairvoyance
  • Transmutation
  • Animation
  • Healing
  • Resurrection
  • Temporal manipulation

The Basic Lore:

Loki is the Norse god of mischief, and one of the most powerful magical beings in existence. His knowledge of the mystic arts has said to rival even the likes of powerful multiverse entities such as Dormammu. Loki has a massive variety of powers, far too many to cover in a single CaV.

Loki's Speed:

I could go over things like his physical strength and durability. However doing so would be rather pointless, since it would not actually factor into the battle. Though easily able to compete with other high tier powerhouses in brawls, Loki's true strength lies in his absurdly versatile magics.

Which brings me to my first point. Loki's spells activate instantly. He casts them as fast as he can think:

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So how fast does Loki "think"? It's been stated to be a "speed beyond all reckoning", and has allowed him to perceive, turn into energy, and intercept radio waves. A quick google search on the speed of radio waves, and you'll see that they are light speed:

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As for Loki's actual physical speed (which would also be a testament to his speed of thought I might add), Loki is capable of keeping up with the likes of Silver Surfer while flying around the entire world, and even intercept the Surfer with his teleportation. Silver Surfer is well known to be an extremely fast character (Capable of moving at FTL speeds in combat, as well as think/react in nano-seconds). Not only was he visibly using his speed during this encounter, but he also failed to react to Loki's surprise attack:

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As for speed in combat, he has shown to casually dodge and troll the likes of Thor:

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As much as Thor the Slowdinson has become a meme on vine, the fact of the matter is that the speed of Thor's actual strikes really are incredibly fast, and he has shown on many occasions to be capable of trading blows with FTL characters.

He has reacted to attacks in micro-seconds, kept up with Gladiator, deflected numerous energy attacks with his hammer, and swing at twice the speed of light.

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Issues With Your Speed:

Speed of Thought:

Your first feat shown was Martian Manhunter's speed of thought in the astral plane. Aside from the fact that I have also shown that Loki can think at absurd speeds; what you have shown is a basic trope when dealing with the astral/mental plane. Loki himself has stated that time doesn't move normally in the astral plane, and has flown massive distances that he would have been incapable of otherwise:

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The fact that time and distance in the Astral plain is meaningless has even been shown true for a young Magik who was far weaker and less experienced than Loki when dealing with the Astral plain:

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Your Other Speed Feats:

I'll start by saying that you have a lot of scaling with no explanation as to how fast these characters usually are when in combat. I am not an expert on DC characters, but I have been told numerous times that even the faster powerhouses typically only fight at around light speed. That is well within the realms of what Loki can handle.

With that said, there are 2 feats in particular stand out to me.

The first is your feat involving the 8 times faster than light space ship. Aside from that being travel speed and not combat speed (Silver Surfer for example can fly distances of light years in seconds, but is nowhere near that speed when fighting), when being ejected from a moving body the the ejected object retains the momentum. You didn't exactly show the specific scans in which he was ejected, but unless there were some off panel circumstances that you did not show; he would have already been moving at around 8 times light speed when ejected, and would have had that speed added onto his own when accelerating to get back to the ship.

Blood-lusted Wally West:

This one I take especial issue with. First off, even if it were true (which I'll explain why it's not very quantifiable), it would likely be little more than PIS. Speed is Wally's specialty, and the main ability that puts him up there with physical powerhouses like MM. While I can see some random Martian Manhunter writer putting a scene like this in his comic, I highly doubt such a thing would ever happen in Wally's own series.

With all that said, lets take a closer look at the scan:

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We aren't shown anything about this fight other than blurs. They don't even leave that small little radius so Wally wouldn't even be capable of building any significant amount of momentum to perform a powerful striking attack. For all we know MM is moving as fast as he can (which is blurs from our point of view); and Wally (who is clearly not thinking straight) is simply dancing around what he sees as a mere statue and uselessly barraging it with a bunch of weak punches.

The Actual Battle:

As Loki has basic knowledge for this fight, he will know much of the basics surrounding Martian Manhunter's abilities. With this in mind, Loki will have 2 goals for this fight:

First, is not getting hit. Not because he wouldn't survive, but because getting hit hurts. Loki is actually physically immortal to a level in which he can even comeback in astral form after complete bodily destruction:

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The second task is disabling your telepathy, as right now it's MM's only method of putting down Loki long term...

The Initial Blitz:

Loki has a number of ways of dealing with the situation and more than enough combat experience to select the right tool for the job.

He could simply render himself dimensionally intangible (and invisible):

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He can turn himself into pure energy:

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He could generate force-fields powerful enough to save Thor from Grendel and his army:

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Or he can trap you with a simple binding spell. His magics have bound the likes of powerful mystics like doctor strange, and has even prevented frost giants from getting through a mere wooden door:

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Hell... Even Sylvie, a character created entirely by Loki's Magics, has restrained and banished powerhouses as physically strong as Sentry:

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It's also worth noting that as of late Loki's go to weapon for a melee confrontation is that of a Fire Sword:

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While I have heard that Martian Manhunter's fear of fire has become a tad bit more manageable, this should still send him deeply off his game.

Eliminating Your Telepathy:

First off, Loki is an extremely powerful telepath who can easily contend with Martian Manhunter. He has mentally staggered the likes of a young Doctor Strange and has even able to temporarily hold his own in a clash with Odin, a skyfather, "across every conceivable astral and metaphysical plain".

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With that in mind, Loki does not like to play fair. As such, he has spells which can effect the mind and turn the tide of the telepathic battle. These spells can drastically slow thoughts, and even induce hallucinations in the minds of a skyfather level being:

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Such an effect would be made drastically worse if Loki were to somehow discover Manhunter's fear of fire. He could discover it either by accident (in drawing his flame-sword), or via mental probing after already effecting Manhunter's mind with a spell. In fact, in one of the above scans he has already shown that it's in character for him to induce flame hallucinations as a form of intimidation (even against someone as powerful as Borr who is impervious to normal flames).

Again, these are not normal telepathic attacks. It takes more than simply having a strong mind to resist such abilities, it also requires the ability to resist magic. With that said, there is already a precedent in DC proving that Martian Manhunter is vulnerable to spells that effect the mind. Here is completely hijacked by the magician, Arion:

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Summary:

  • My character specializes in magic. While your character may not be as weak to magic as like say, Superman, he also has not shown to be especially resistant to it. In fact, he has even shown to be effected by the exact same type of spells that Loki specializes in.
  • Furthermore, my character has no need for a physical body. The only method that Martian Manhunter has of killing Loki is through a telepathic battle, which Loki has proven to have counters for.
  • I haven't even gone over half the abilities that Loki has at his disposal. He has shown everything from blast powers that can 1 shot high level bricks, to transmutation attacks that can 1 shot skyfathers when caught unawares. MM may have superior physicals, but Loki is simply far more versatile.

@revan2424/@necronn- Your move!

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#11 Posted by nfactor1995 (11117 posts) - - Show Bio

T4V

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Why does everybody try to exploit fire?

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#14 Posted by Zetsumoto (16707 posts) - - Show Bio

@necronn-: Honestly, I just threw it out there. It's not really that big a part of my post.

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#15 Posted by Necronn- (286 posts) - - Show Bio

bump

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#16 Edited by linsanel_Doctor (8629 posts) - - Show Bio

Martian Manhunter is weak to fire. That's the argument made by almost everyone lol

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#17 Posted by Zetsumoto (16707 posts) - - Show Bio

@linsanel_doctor: To be fair, all I said is it might throw him off his game a bit.

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T4V again.

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#21 Posted by Zetsumoto (16707 posts) - - Show Bio

@necronn-: @revan2424 Umm.... Bump?

I kind of want to make a couple amendments to a my wording in certain areas. If you are going to take a while, do you mind if I do that?

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@zetsumoto: Do it soon. My post will be up eithet today or tommorow.

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Spite. Mismatch.

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