CaV: Kuma, Bullet and Law(Eazy2002) vs Juudara(RikuYamaha) Open to votes

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#1  Edited By RikuYamaha

yeah..here we go.

"would you consider dying together "teamwork" as well?"- used by RikuYamaha

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"All who interfere will be wiped out...!" - represented by Eazy2002

RULES

  • 2 rinnegan juubara
  • law, bullet and kuma are current.
  • all IC
  • charka= Haki
  • It will be a completely random encounter
  • all characters will have their usual gear
  • They will fight in an offshore island.
  • Victory by death, knockout, or incapacitation

Cav Rules

This is a CaV which means only we are allowed to debate on such topic. any unnecessary comments will not count for such debate.

If you wish to be tagged for votes say "T4V" or if you wanna be tagged for a vinner, say "TAEP"

Vote on who you think debated better, not on who you personally think would win in a fight.

Please give reasons for your vote or they will not be counted.

This is a friendly debate, any rude or bias comments will not count.

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Bullet in a CaV? Tag

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@rikuyamaha: Na I never like first you should know by now, plus I have a lot of things on my hands you start.

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@eazy2002: mate, im in three other Cavs....plus, i dont know much about bullet, so its good for you to start first so i dont make up assumptions.

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@rikuyamaha: ok. I wont talk too much due to the fact that I am handling three characters

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T4V

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Good luck and T4V

I'm curious to see how you will argument for one piece team

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#11  Edited By TheKAPPA78

TAEP and T4V

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T4V and TAEP

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@rikuyamaha: sorry bro am handeling a lot. U can get started if u need to

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@eazy2002: mhh, i'll wait for another week, then ill start

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Cool, ill do the cav on friday

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Ok let's begin...

OPENER

My opener will be very brief and concise due to the fact that i am handling 3characters. I'll be taking it character by character, let start with law.

TRAFALGAR D. WATER LAW

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Abilities:

*Devil fruit: Law possess the ope ope no mi[the operation devil fruit] this gives him the ability to create spheres[called rooms] in which he can control everything within the sphere or area of effect. It also has an up side in which it can grant one eternal life in exchange for the users life[this could be very useful in a team battle in which if law was badly wounded he give either kuma or Douglas bullet eternal life making them able to eventually overpower madara.]

*Kenjutsu: Law is a very skilled swordsman who took training from Diamante. He is able to go one on one with skilled marines like smoker using kenjutsu.

*Haki: Law is able to use both observation and armament haki. Observation haki gives him precognition inorder to detect his opponents next course of action and sense invisible objects and presences. Armament haki coats his skin with a spritual armour which can be used for both attack and defence.

Ok lets go on to talk about his feats and capabilities.

In a fight law mainly relies on his tactical thinking and devil fruit. the mixture of the 2 makes him a deadly fighter not to mention his devil fruit is broken.

DESTRUCTIVE CAPABILITIES AND POWERSET:

-Law needs to activate his room before he can use most of his abilities. In the room law is basically a god as he has full control of all biotic and abiotic factors. One of the biggest rooms created by law is the one which engulfed the dressrosa mountain [The size of the room is basically at a multi-mountain level range considering the room is spherical].

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-He is able to slice down giant monsters with ease. This slicing technique is known as amputation. When he slices a victim, the victim still remains alive. Also note that laws attack ignore durability or density.

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-His clash with doflamingo causes a bridge between two islands to shatter.

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-In his fight with doflamingo law is slices the edge of the stone castle which he intends to use to crush doflamingo but doflamingo blocks the assault

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-He is even able to cut a mountain, mountain sized structures and a warship in half with a single backlash.

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-But his best feat was when he sliced this iron factory built into a mountain and cut multiple mountain tops.

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-Another slicing feat from law is when he sliced a meteor from space. these meteors can easily create massive craters meaning they have an extreme amount of force.

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*Law has another ability which resembles telekinesis known as ''tact''. With the ability;

-Law has the ability to control the anything inside his room. The ability has shown to ignore the weight or mass of objects. Law has used it to lift a warship and massive boulders into the air effortlessly.[A warship can weigh up to 35,000tons]

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-He also used the ability to raise massive spikes from the ground

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-But the best use of this ability was when he changed the direction of a comet coming from space with ease. As i have shown above these comets can create Massive craters which shows the tremendous amount of force they carry but law still deflects it like its nothing. the comet dwarfed the strawhats 50m ship.

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*Law also has his counter shock attack. this is a close range technique in which he can stun opponents with high amounts of electricity.

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*Law has the ability to exchange the consciousness of people inside the room

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*SCAN: law has the ability to scan his room and know how many entities or objects are in it. I believe this will help him against madaras limbos.

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*The last 3attacks are Laws most potent and deadliest attacks which include;

*Mes: this is a technique in which law can collect a victims heart without killing them. If he chooses he can squeeze the heart to cause tremendous pain to victim or he can destroy the heart which can kill the victim.

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*Radio knife: Law imbues his blade with radio waves which he uses to cut his victims. What is special about this attack is that it ignores molecular intangibility and healing which is stated by law. Trebol who is made of slime is unable to reattach himself after being sliced with the attack.

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*GAMMA KNIFE. This is an attack in which law condenses gamma rays into a shard like form and stabs it into his victim. We all know gamma rays are potent enough to dislodge electrons of atoms and cause spontaneous decay. the attack is all said to destroy an individual internally as he states.

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SPEED AND EVASION:

Law has a specific technique which he uses for evasion which is known as ''shambles''. Law can substitute objects within his room which he uses to create a teleportation effect.

-Law was capable of reacting to several bullets being shot at him. The speed of an average bullet is 1,700m/s and law is able to react to several of them.

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-he also uses this technique to escape being pinned to the ground by fujitoras gravity by exchanging himself with a boulder.

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-He used it to teleport into the sky to save sanji.

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-He also used this technique to evade an attack from smoker by exchanging himself with stone block

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-And incase of anything law has observation haki which gives him pre cognition.

PHYSICAL STRENGTH, DURABILITY AND STAMINA:

-Law hasn't shown much in terms of physical strength, except this on time he blocked an attack from doflamingo using armament haki. the shockwave of the attack was strong enough to cut the wall behind law.

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-Law is also seen blocking multiple attacks from doflamingo

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*As for stamina law is able to survive multple gunshots from doflamingo

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*And lastly for durability law is able to no sell a force which crushed a boulder. From the scan below fujitora pins down law with gravity but as law substitues himself with a boulder, the boulder instantly Cracks into pieces.

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-And incase of anything law still has his armament haki for defence.

In conclusion for law...

*Law can probably solo the only way he gets killed is by a truth seeker orb which he can block with his armament haki[truth seeker orbs disintergrate matter haki is a spiritual armour so it should block them with no casualties]. Laws haxes would heavily disable madara. Law can casually swing his blade multiple times and this could be madara

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*Law can cut madaras meteors or even repel them back at madara if he wanted.

*law can effectively avoid madaras mountain busting attacks with observation haki and his shambles technique.

*Also with shambles he can get kuma and bullet out of any unwanted disasters.

*Law could just slice madara to pieces with madara not even knowing what happened or how to recover as madara cannot regen from law attacks.

BARTHOLOMEW KUMA.

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Kuma is a Cyborg commonly known as the pasifista who ate the paw-paw fruit which gives him the ability to repel literally anything with his palm.

Abilities:

*Devil fruits: Kuma ate the paw paw fruit. This gives him the ability to repel virtually anything with his palm. He has also shown the ability to repel abstract concepts.

*Due to his Pacifista physiology, He has increased durability, strength and can shoot lasers from his mouth. Ok lets begin...

STRENGTH:

Strength wise kuma hasn't shown too much even though he is quite physically strong.

-Kuma is strong enough to easily lift a massive pile of rubble before repelling it.

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-A casual attack from kuma is seen to be able to destroy concrete.

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SPEED:

This one of the areas kuma excels the most. Kuma is shown to move so fast he can actually teleport despite his tremendous size.

-Kuma teleports from high ground to lower ground without anyone realizing on time.

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-He was able to teleport and intercept zoro

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-He is able to react to a jet pistol without looking.

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A jet pistol from luffy is easily FTE

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-Teleports away to avoid attack from luffy also without looking.

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-Teleports right in front of franky and nami in order to intercept them.

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-Kuma also avoided a flash attack from zoro and appeared right in front of zoro.

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-Kuma in general is pretty fast and has shown many teleportation feats which will help him evade anything.

DURABILITY:

-Kuma No sold a kick from sanji.

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To show u how strong a kick from sanji is, sanji deflected an attack from oars which was able to destroy a massive thick steel freezer with ease. Also consider sanji had no leverage to deflect attack and oars had the gravity advantage. The dust cloud was so big it dwarfed the castle which is easily the size of a mountain as it can house oars comfortably.

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Also long before that arc sanji can casually oneshot giant beasts and send them flying.

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-Because of the hardness of kuma, zoro is unable to cut him, he only cuts his exterior which did zero damage

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This is quite impressive considering the fact that many arcs before that time zoro could cut steel. this means kuma is obviously several times harder than steel.

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-Tanks multiple fire attacks from ussop

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-Pacifista have shown to be durable enough to tank frankys coup de vent strong enough to destroy large structures. What is impressive it that frank uses the attack quite far away to destroy the structures but a pacifista tanked the attack up close

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DESTRUCTIVE CAPABILITIES:

-Pad/Pressure cannon: this is an attack inwhich he thrusts his palm inorder to repel air at the speed of light. It has shown to be ably to penetrate virtually anything.

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-he is also able to use this attack in rapid succession

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-Laser beam: Because kuma is a pacifista, kuma is able to fire lasers from his mouth. These lasers are potent enough to melt steel with a single blast

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-He can also fire lasers in rapid succession and incredible size.

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-Repel: Kuma has shown the ability to repel literally anything even abstract concepts. With this ability he can send people flying across long distances. Kuma can also send u were he wants.

-Kuma once sent luffy from one island to another. As u can see luffy is travelling for days and nights.

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-Kuma can repel:

-Fire

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-air

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-boulders

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-ghosts

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-giant monsters

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-shockwaves

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-And finally kuma is capable of repelling pain and fatigue which he can then transfer to another person for maximum damage

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And finally:

*URSOS SHOCK: this is an attack inwhich he compresses air in order to create a massive shockwave.

-He uses it to take out oars

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-The biggest on ever was the one which engulfed an island sized ship.

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In conclusion: Kuma will be very helpful in this fight as he is able to repel any attack madara might throw at them.

DOUGLAS BULLET!

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He is a pirate who seeks to show the world only the strongest can survive, he was also former comrade of the pirate king roger. [i will provide all my evidence below in a single video i made. I will also be summarizing his feats]. It is said that DB has the strength of a nation.

Abilities: Devil fruit which enables him assemble objects into weapons[gaska gaska no mi awakened], All 3 haki.

Feats:

In base form bullet is able to blitz all the supernova and tank multiple attack from all of them.

He is also able to fight on par with gear 4 snakeman

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and send gear 4 bound man flying. Using his devil fruit he is able to transform his ship into a giant mechanical construct which he can imbue with haki. the construct is so strong a single punch caused a small island to slightly implode. The construct is so big it dwarfed a city

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While using his awakening he washed away multiple cities transforms into a giant golem which dwarfed mountains

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The golem is so strong a single punch can destroy mountain ranges.

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the golem is shown to be able to transform itself such that it can fight from any angle it needs to. with awakening he could also terraform the landscape by setting up massive barricades throughout the island.

Delta island before bullet uses awakening

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After he uses awakening and raises baricades

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In stage 2 he transforms into a bigger golem which is able to increase body parts 3times the size of its body

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Even if golem is destroyed[which i highly doubt] the exoskeleton[the giant mechanical structure] is still available to deal some damage. in Bullets final transformation he galvanizes his arms with two giant springs and imbues his body with stronger armament haki.

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in this for he was able to match luffys king kong galting which is a rapid succession of king kong guns[A single king kong gun can bust a city]

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In conclusion for this:

Madara is largely outmatched by haxes the raw physicals. either law and kuma take it or bullet solos. Law will basically just cut madara to pieces kuma will then send those pieces to different parts of the world while bullets sips some ice tea.

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@eazy2002: oho, thats a decent post..i'll be done in about two week or more. be prepared.

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Finally a intresting CaV in a long time

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ok...

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I honestly don't see how this is even debatable.

But T4V

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Im new, what is this?

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@omnihater: oh called a cav. 2 viners come together to argue using certain characters. Go to the challenge a viner thread and make a request if u wanna get some, or u can just ask other viners [By the way teap means tag after every post]

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@omnihater: challenge a viner

It’s a debate between two people, you can ask to be included in the vote to decides who win.

You vote on who you think presented the better argument and not who you personally think would win the battle.

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Can't I participate in debate?

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@omnihater: no sorry just me and riku. But u can make comments after the cav is done...

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@eazy2002: oho, thats a decent post..i'll be done in about two week or more. be prepared.

eh um!

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My opponent seems to HEAVILY underestimate the true power of Madara, so this'll be somewhat easy. well, sorry to keep you all waiting, but here we go!

The Ghost of The Uchiha: Uchiha Madara!!!

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The part he plays in the Battle

for this, madara is gonna be a severally overwhelming character for the one piece team to face, as his wide arsenal of jutsus and massive power can simply overwhelm this team in 30 seconds. for this reason, i'll give on why madara can defeat this team in 30 seconds.

and i will only be showing his powers. his strength and speed and durability, i will explain in the counters.

Powers and abilities

firstly, we should start with his massive amounts of charka and abilities, considering thats what he mostly relies on in battle. first, i'll go into his charka. madara should have massive amounts of charka considering he absorbed the ten tails into his body.

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with this massive amount of charka in hand, he will not be running out of charka in the meantime hes fighting theses poor creatures. but even so, lets get into his abilities.

lets start with the first thing to always start with the uchiha clan, the sharingan.

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the sharingan is the kekkei genkai of the uchiha clan. the Sharingan comes with two standard abilities- "Eye of Insight", and "Eye of Hypnotism", along with other abilities i will show. The eye of insight allows madara to see another human's chakra flow, and gives them a form of precognition. he can recognize when others are under a genjutsu due to the irregularity in chakra flow, and differentiate people based on chakra and aura alone.

The eyes allow for madara to duplicate almost any technique performed against them as long as they see the hand seals in motion with their Sharingan activated. But as the Sharingan allows the user to copy the opponent's hand seals, it also allows the ability to copy other body movements as well, as shown with sasuke and rock lee.

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The Sharingan has way more abilities then one realizes, as it gives the user the ability to detect even the slightest movement in view. This gives them the ability to clearly see things they normally wouldn't, and with good judgment, this allows the user to predict movement. This is a very deadly ability in hand to hand combat, especially since madara is the user of it.

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but this isn't all, The Sharingan is able to cast genjutsu through eye contact with an opponent. genjutsu is very tricky to gauge but it is solely depended on the amount of charka the user uses. but this is what genjutsu does.

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there is a huge varieties of genjutsus to take nearly any opponent down, such as immobilisation.this is where the victim is temporarily paralysed or even loses consciousness. This was proved to be simple and can be casually done even with only the basic Sharingan.

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another form of genjutsu is control.

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Genjutsu is most commonly used for control, especially for jounin Ninjas. The lowest level of application would be considered as Hypnotic Genjutsu, which suggests to the opponent their next move. another form is projection type genjutsu.

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Madara could cast it on Obito with just the basic Sharingan, but only with the Gedo Mazo was he able to control the dream to any detail. with theses forms of genjutsu, i believe madara could simply cast a genjutsu and be done with it. but thats not all with the sharingan, with it, madara can summon the legendary Susanoo!

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the susanoo is a titanic form of chakra manifested by the users will. the susanoo is so powerful, just by caucally swinging his swords, madara was able to completely decimate several mountains just by the air pressure of his swings.

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but now getting out of his sharingans, lets get to a more powerful dojutsu...his rinnegans!

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the rinnegan is the evolved form of the sharingan, which gives the user godly types of abilities that originally come from the sage of six paths. the six paths are forms of powers that the user manifests when they achieve the rinnegan, with the first being the deva path, which allows the user to manipulate attractive and repulsive forces, as well as manipulate the pull of gravity. It works on both objects and people. but since madara has only shown about one form of the deva, i'll focus on it. the one he used was chibaku tensei, a move where a large gravitational pull tears up a entire landscape to create a celestial body. madara was able to, without effort, make dozens of theses.

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this was able to affect countries thousands of miles away, and madara was able to do this with ease. but thats not all from this power of the rinnegan. hes also able to use the human path, which would be able to steal souls once he establishes physical contact.

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he can also use the preta path which allows madara to absorb all types of jutsus, including particle style, which can dismember someone at the atomic level.

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this makes madara virtually impossible to hit with any energy based attack, especially since charka=haki.

but there is one more eye ability of madaras, which is his infamous limbo borden jail jutsu!

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madaras limbo clones are gonna be massively effective in this matchup, as his clones can not be fought with normal physical means.

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another is that cant be sensed without six paths power, which would be immensely hard for the team to even comprehend what is happening before they meet their downfall. but next up is madara's truth seeking orbs, which will play a huge part in his overall defense. Truth seeking balls/orbs are malleable spheres of black chakra composed of all 5 nature transformations that can be molded and shaped in different ways for a variety of purposes. Any power that is nature based, physical base or energy based(aside from natural energy) that comes in contact with the orbs will be negated, and the TSB have the ability to disintegrate all matter at a molecular level, completely destroying what they touch and nullifying regeneration of the Edo. its very similar to how the partial style of onoki works.

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with his truth seeking orbs, he could most likely block all attacks thrown at him by bullet and kuma, while also using his orbs to blitz law, which i will get to in a minute.

but since he got through all his op powers, lets go with his other, let less frightening powers. like his wide spread fire style: Great fireball jutsu

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his massive fire styles that quadrants of highly trained shinobis to even attempt to block said attack, and even then it was folly considering the sheer amount of power into it.

he allso has ash style, which is similar to asumas ash style but more destructive. he spits out a massive wave of ash to incinerate the opponentsg, which was powerful and potent enough to knock back sage mode naruto, EMS sasuke and several other shinobis in one blow.

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he can summon wood shadow clones, all who which are similar in power to madara himself. theses wood clones are powerful enough to contend and destroy the five kages. even theses weakened versions of wood clones know susanoo, making them more durable and more powerful.

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this by itself could simply overwhelm the team by sheer numbers.

but this isnt even all his powers! since he has hashirama cells implanted into his body, hes able to use wood style,and a massive amount of it as well. one of his wood styles is his wood dragon jutsu.

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this wood dragon is massive and powerful enough to fight on par with the nine tails fox, a massive creature of destruction which can level mountains with a casual bijuu bomb.

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but that isnt the most frightening trait about wood style. the truthly frightening thing about it is that it absorbs MASSIVE amounts of chakra once in contact with a opponent.

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with this, it was nearly able to suck up all of narutos charka without much effort.

his wood style can even spread pollen to cause widespread paralyzing numbness.

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and theses attacks are all WAY before his juubi power up. with theses, he could easily paralyze the team and bisect them with wood style jutsus or just absorb their life force with his wood style.

he allso has his sage arts, which is gifted to him after getting his juubi amp. with this, he is able to use his sage art, yin release lightning claw, which is fast enough not even naruto or sasuke could evade, in which their only option was defense.

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and finally, his most powerful and the game winning move to end it here is his storm art, light fang.

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this grants him a speed of light attack that can bisect all of them before they could react. this is backed up by multiple guilds and statements to provide it is light speed. this is strong enough to cut though a truth seeking orb and is fast enough to blitz the team 10X over.

but theses are the powers he failed to notice in juubi madara, now, lets get into the direct counters!

COUNTERS!

DESTRUCTIVE CAPABILITIES AND POWERSET:

-Law needs to activate his room before he can use most of his abilities. In the room law is basically a god as he has full control of all biotic and abiotic factors. One of the biggest rooms created by law is the one which engulfed the dressrosa mountain [The size of the room is basically at a multi-mountain level range considering the room is spherical].

very impressive, but quick question. when has it shown he controls all biotic and abiotic factors in the room?

-He is able to slice down giant monsters with ease. This slicing technique is known as amputation. When he slices a victim, the victim still remains alive. Also note that laws attack ignore durability or density.

impressive, but one problem, it'll have to hit madara first and reach him before he hits them with sage art light fang, which would impale law before he could use it.

-His clash with doflamingo causes a bridge between two islands to shatter.

so maybe a large building level AP, how does that help in this situation?

-In his fight with doflamingo law is slices the edge of the stone castle which he intends to use to crush doflamingo but doflamingo blocks the assault

very impressive. not gonna rebut it considering it doesn't need to cause i explained in the previous.

-He is even able to cut a mountain, mountain sized structures and a warship in half with a single backlash.

as you said, that is because of amputation, which ignores density and durability. while impressive in height, not as impressive as this with a casual air wave.

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-But his best feat was when he sliced this iron factory built into a mountain and cut multiple mountain tops.

very good, so just as good as a casual swing from a weakened madaras perfect susanoo.

-Another slicing feat from law is when he sliced a meteor from space. these meteors can easily create massive craters meaning they have an extreme amount of force.

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while impressive, the meteor shown and its impact is no where near the size of madaras first meteor he sent. which was so large, it made the mountain ranges around it look like small hills. and madara can drop Several of theses contently.

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*Law has another ability which resembles telekinesis known as ''tact''. With the ability;

-Law has the ability to control the anything inside his room. The ability has shown to ignore the weight or mass of objects. Law has used it to lift a warship and massive boulders into the air effortlessly.[A warship can weigh up to 35,000tons]

impressive, but if i may ask. how do you know its over that many tons?

-He also used the ability to raise massive spikes from the ground

thats kinda useless to someone who can fly...

-But the best use of this ability was when he changed the direction of a comet coming from space with ease. As i have shown above these comets can create Massive craters which shows the tremendous amount of force they carry but law still deflects it like its nothing. the comet dwarfed the strawhats 50m ship.

go back to my meteor feat, and while impressive, could it lift someone like the god tree or the gedo statue, things that are massive in size.

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for perspective, the barrier at the very very bottom of the tree is MASSIVE, capable of holding the ten tails and all the bijuu, along with several platoons of shinobis and still having miles of territory to explore in the barrier. the tree dwarfs it tens of thousands of times over.

*Law also has his counter shock attack. this is a close range technique in which he can stun opponents with high amounts of electricity.

eh, not like its gonna help considering madara can deal with a chidori that cut him in half with no difficulty.

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*Law has the ability to exchange the consciousness of people inside the room

law isnt gonna use this at first considering he has his team to worry about, plus before he can even think of using it, he'll already die from light fang.

*SCAN: law has the ability to scan his room and know how many entities or objects are in it. I believe this will help him against madaras limbos.

yeah...no. the people there was not even logias, just plain fodder while madaras limbo clones are from a different dimension entirely, where only people with six paths can sense. i don't even believe observation haki could help, as before they are power ups, not even sasuke with the sharingan or naruto with sage mode or KCM could sense the limbo clones.

*The last 3attacks are Laws most potent and deadliest attacks which include;

*Mes: this is a technique in which law can collect a victims heart without killing them. If he chooses he can squeeze the heart to cause tremendous pain to victim or he can destroy the heart which can kill the victim.

very dangerous ability, but not useful as madara can regenerate at a high rate, even after having half his body completely tore off.

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*Radio knife: Law imbues his blade with radio waves which he uses to cut his victims. What is special about this attack is that it ignores molecular intangibility and healing which is stated by law. Trebol who is made of slime is unable to reattach himself after being sliced with the attack.

while i dont think madara can tank this, he can always substitute it in with a limbo clone.

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*GAMMA KNIFE. This is an attack in which law condenses gamma rays into a shard like form and stabs it into his victim. We all know gamma rays are potent enough to dislodge electrons of atoms and cause spontaneous decay. the attack is all said to destroy an individual internally as he states.

this is not gonna kill madara, even someone like doflamingo was able to survive, even without high speed regeneration.

SPEED AND EVASION:

Law has a specific technique which he uses for evasion which is known as ''shambles''. Law can substitute objects within his room which he uses to create a teleportation effect.

-Law was capable of reacting to several bullets being shot at him. The speed of an average bullet is 1,700m/s and law is able to react to several of them.

absolutely nothing compared to a guy, while blind who can react and directly counter someone who has teleported.

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-he also uses this technique to escape being pinned to the ground by fujitoras gravity by exchanging himself with a boulder.

very impressive. any feats for him to withstand gravity that can effect people across counties?

-He used it to teleport into the sky to save sanji.

-He also used this technique to evade an attack from smoker by exchanging himself with stone block

all of that is pretty slow tbh, compared to a guy who can react on par to teleportation and speed blitz someone using kamui.

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-And incase of anything law has observation haki which gives him pre cognition.

before you continue, to what extent is this pre cog. cause i know its no where near as powerful as katakuris, so dont make that assumption.

PHYSICAL STRENGTH, DURABILITY AND STAMINA:

-Law hasn't shown much in terms of physical strength, except this on time he blocked an attack from doflamingo using armament haki. the shockwave of the attack was strong enough to cut the wall behind law.

cool, not really gonna rebuttal this considering its on par with only wall level and would be a waste of time to make a case against wall level.

-Law is also seen blocking multiple attacks from doflamingo

cool, any feats to suggest he can survive one hit from a limbo clone, which was powerful enough to knock around immensely sized bijuus.

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*As for stamina law is able to survive multple gunshots from doflamingo

point above.

*And lastly for durability law is able to no sell a force which crushed a boulder. From the scan below fujitora pins down law with gravity but as law substitues himself with a boulder, the boulder instantly Cracks into pieces.

again, point above.

-And incase of anything law still has his armament haki for defence.

armament haki will be a pain to deal with, but madara still has a MASSIVE arsenal of weapons and jutsus to destroy the armament haki. plus, Laws armament haki can be broke with enough force, as limbo will be enough to deal with it, or if he needs too, madara can genjutsu law into believing what madara wants.

In conclusion for law...

*Law can probably solo the only way he gets killed is by a truth seeker orb which he can block with his armament haki[truth seeker orbs disintergrate matter haki is a spiritual armour so it should block them with no casualties]. Laws haxes would heavily disable madara. Law can casually swing his blade multiple times and this could be madara

So many things wrong with that....first off, Truth seeking orbs are above Armament haki in offence and defense for a couple of reasons. firstly, it can withstand several Island+ or above air punches from 8 gate guy without much damage, and second, it will disintegrate the armament haki, which laws armament haki is severally weak and has not shown enough durability feats to withstand a hit from the power of TSB.

second, the blades with not even touch madara, let alone damage him as madara can speed blitz, regenerate from it or just plainly use a substitute jutsus to switch out the damage output on himself.

*Law can cut madaras meteors or even repel them back at madara if he wanted.

feats of a meteor cut on par with madaras first meteor? let alone Several That are bigger then small islands.

*law can effectively avoid madaras mountain busting attacks with observation haki and his shambles technique.

laws observation is severally weak when it comes to the others on the strawhat and madara doesn't immediately use his mountain sized susanoo busts at first. he will most likely send out limbo, and before law knows whats happening, he will get his neck snapped by the clone.

*Also with shambles he can get kuma and bullet out of any unwanted disasters.

point above.

*Law could just slice madara to pieces with madara not even knowing what happened or how to recover as madara cannot regen from law attacks.

not only will law not even touch madara, he would sub a clone for any substantial damage and hit law(who fails to react to anything light speed) with a light fang attack.

BARTHOLOMEW KUMA.

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Kuma is a Cyborg commonly known as the pasifista who ate the paw-paw fruit which gives him the ability to repel literally anything with his palm.

Abilities:

*Devil fruits: Kuma ate the paw paw fruit. This gives him the ability to repel virtually anything with his palm. He has also shown the ability to repel abstract concepts.

*Due to his Pacifista physiology, He has increased durability, strength and can shoot lasers from his mouth. Ok lets begin...

STRENGTH:

Strength wise kuma hasn't shown too much even though he is quite physically strong.

-Kuma is strong enough to easily lift a massive pile of rubble before repelling it.

cool. so that rubble is supposed to mean what?

-A casual attack from kuma is seen to be able to destroy concrete.

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casual attacks from madara fodderized the tailed beast.

SPEED:

This one of the areas kuma excels the most. Kuma is shown to move so fast he can actually teleport despite his tremendous size.

-Kuma teleports from high ground to lower ground without anyone realizing on time.

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first question. where does it imply he can teleport, cause in this scan, it shows him moving FTE.

-He was able to teleport and intercept zoro

same with this.

-He is able to react to a jet pistol without looking.

cool, madara is able to keep up with eight gates guy

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a guy who is able to save Kakashi from a point blank TSB

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A jet pistol from luffy is easily FTE

ok, that helps how?

-Teleports away to avoid attack from luffy also without looking.

again, is there any proof its teleportation? until then, i'll keep my argument with his FTE movement. heck, i'll even be extremely generous and say he can move faster then lightning.

-Teleports right in front of franky and nami in order to intercept them.

point above.

-Kuma also avoided a flash attack from zoro and appeared right in front of zoro.

very nice, so it should be as fast as lightning? impressive, but still leagues slower then madara who is 10X faster then lightning as he can blitz people who can teleport.

-Kuma in general is pretty fast and has shown many teleportation feats which will help him evade anything.

kuma has failed to react or evade anything on par with madara, as he will be impaled with the light fang or completely overwhelmed by a limbo clone.

DURABILITY:

-Kuma No sold a kick from sanji.

impressive.

To show u how strong a kick from sanji is, sanji deflected an attack from oars which was able to destroy a massive thick steel freezer with ease. Also consider sanji had no leverage to deflect attack and oars had the gravity advantage. The dust cloud was so big it dwarfed the castle which is easily the size of a mountain as it can house oars comfortably.

a highly good durability feat, i'll give you that one, but still way too weak compared to madaras strength alone as i have shown above. heck, even his wood clones can use susanoos which can bust giant mountains.

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Also long before that arc sanji can casually oneshot giant beasts and send them flying.

nothing special. go back to the tailed beast argument.

-Because of the hardness of kuma, zoro is unable to cut him, he only cuts his exterior which did zero damage

this is not much as in the scan, zoro was heavily weakened due to his previous fights and he still managed to cut him, although not by much and leave some damage to kuma.

This is quite impressive considering the fact that many arcs before that time zoro could cut steel. this means kuma is obviously several times harder than steel.

point above, he still was able to get damaged.

-Tanks multiple fire attacks from ussop

is that supposed to be impressive? madara can cause a wide spread fire jutsu that takes several high ranking shinobis to even block, and his other fire styles were strong enough to cause massive crators in the rocks.

-Pacifista have shown to be durable enough to tank frankys coup de vent strong enough to destroy large structures. What is impressive it that frank uses the attack quite far away to destroy the structures but a pacifista tanked the attack up close

the pacifista was still sent back and damaged. he didnt tank it.

DESTRUCTIVE CAPABILITIES:

-Pad/Pressure cannon: this is an attack inwhich he thrusts his palm inorder to repel air at the speed of light. It has shown to be ably to penetrate virtually anything.

while impressive, kuma has failed to move at and or react near the speed of light. to which he palms can only repel said object with that speed.

-he is also able to use this attack in rapid succession

madara has shown faster speed with scaling with guy, hes not gonna get hit by theses.

-Laser beam: Because kuma is a pacifista, kuma is able to fire lasers from his mouth. These lasers are potent enough to melt steel with a single blast

your point? madara can still tank it via susanoo, where not even lightning and or lava can melt though it. and madara can strait up absorb the lasers with his rinnegans.

-He can also fire lasers in rapid succession and incredible size.

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narutos massive rasengan, a rasengan which is able of harming nine tails, is unable to even dent a ribcage susanoo edo madara. theses lasers are not gonna do anything.

-Repel: Kuma has shown the ability to repel literally anything even abstract concepts. With this ability he can send people flying across long distances. Kuma can also send u were he wants.

abstract concepts? lololol, where in one piece does it show this, let alone repelled it?

-Kuma once sent luffy from one island to another. As u can see luffy is travelling for days and nights.

so travel time is a abstract concept? lol. he still needs to hit madara which i proved wont happen.

-Kuma can repel:

-Fire

-air

-boulders

-ghosts

gonna stop you real quick cause the scan you shown was just kuma interacting with perona, not repelling the ghosts.

-giant monsters

-shockwaves

-And finally kuma is capable of repelling pain and fatigue which he can then transfer to another person for maximum damage

very impressive in terms of repelling, but he still requires direct contact, in which madaras limbo clones would just directly harm him before he knew what happened.

And finally:

*URSOS SHOCK: this is an attack inwhich he compresses air in order to create a massive shockwave.

-He uses it to take out oars

-The biggest on ever was the one which engulfed an island sized ship.

while impressive, its not gonna harm the susanoo armor which while not perfect, can stand in the middle of the juubis tenpachi, which was Island+ with county AOE.

In conclusion: Kuma will be very helpful in this fight as he is able to repel any attack madara might throw at them.

he will have to react and touch to repel, as i have proven why madara is massively faster and massively stronger. plus, he wont be able to repel light fang or limbo as you have shown no feats for him to do so.

DOUGLAS BULLET!

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He is a pirate who seeks to show the world only the strongest can survive, he was also former comrade of the pirate king roger. [i will provide all my evidence below in a single video i made. I will also be summarizing his feats]. It is said that DB has the strength of a nation.

Abilities: Devil fruit which enables him assemble objects into weapons[gaska gaska no mi awakened], All 3 haki.

Feats:

In base form bullet is able to blitz all the supernova and tank multiple attack from all of them.

impressive. whats the speed feats for the super novas and DC feats?

He is also able to fight on par with gear 4 snakeman

very impressive, but madara while blind was beating all the kage, and stomping BSM naruto and EMS sasuke casually.

and send gear 4 bound man flying. Using his devil fruit he is able to transform his ship into a giant mechanical construct which he can imbue with haki. the construct is so strong a single punch caused a small island to slightly implode. The construct is so big it dwarfed a city

very impressive. i will say he should be PHYSICALLY stronger then alive madara, but madara can still destroy the construct with this.

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While using his awakening he washed away multiple cities transforms into a giant golem which dwarfed mountains

madaras susanoo is about mountain sized and can destroy mountain sized contructs with the air pressure of his susanoo blade.

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The golem is so strong a single punch can destroy mountain ranges.

not sure what your drawing around as dust is covering most of it...but madaras susanoo can do the same with the air pressure of his blades.

the golem is shown to be able to transform itself such that it can fight from any angle it needs to. with awakening he could also terraform the landscape by setting up massive barricades throughout the island.

that is not gonna do much to someone who can tear up the entire landscape with casual chibaku tenseis.

Delta island before bullet uses awakening

ok

After he uses awakening and raises baricades

impressive, go back to the chibaku tensei feats that tore out constructs over a county range.

In stage 2 he transforms into a bigger golem which is able to increase body parts 3times the size of its body

cool.

Even if golem is destroyed[which i highly doubt]

casual sword swings from susanoo, chibaku tensei, limbo clones, gedo statue+ soul dragon, light rang impale, and TSB

the exoskeleton[the giant mechanical structure] is still available to deal some damage. in Bullets final transformation he galvanizes his arms with two giant springs and imbues his body with stronger armament haki.

this could provide some good damage to madara IF it hit him.

in this for he was able to match luffys king kong galting which is a rapid succession of king kong guns[A single king kong gun can bust a city]

go back to susanoo feat or chibaku tensei spam.

In conclusion for this:

Madara is largely outmatched by haxes the raw physicals. either law and kuma take it or bullet solos. Law will basically just cut madara to pieces kuma will then send those pieces to different parts of the world while bullets sips some ice tea.

already explained why this is useless because by the time they decide to actually hit madara, madara will hit them with light fang or limbo clones to destroy them before going into their forms.

Madara can use the human path to do this to everyone here.

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Now that i got my counters over, i'll give my conclusion.

Given the feats and scaling from my opponent, from bare minimum, the strongest here is bullet with only strength alone. but considering Madara doesn't like to resort to a massive bare fist fight, he will hit bullet in the head with light fang, killing bullet in one blow.

while the others are trying to understand what happened, madaras limbo clones come and either use TSB or impale and kill both law and kuma or just uses their rinnegan to suck out their souls or steal their energy while he puts them under genjutsu.

while under genjutsu, he turns them into small moons with chibaku tensei.

madara wins low diff. thank you for reading and hoping for a good counter!

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@eazy2002: are you gonna set up your post or do you wanna open for votes?

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@eazy2002: i waiting two more days then opening it for votes.

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I vote for @rikuyamaha simply because the Easy2002 didn't really bring up anything that could actually effectively be used against Madara whatsoever.

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@rikuyamaha: if your opponent never put up a rebuttal then its just a default win but it looks like you only tagged him 9 days ago fron your original post over a month ago and then gave hin two days to reply. People are busy this time of year, id give him at least a week from the time you tagged him. If he didnt reply in a week then you would just win by default.

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@mass: that exactly what I told him, I am very busy, I was gonna answer it tomorrow till I saw this