CaV Kirei Kotomine, Luther Strode VS Jason Voorhees, Liara T'soni (Voting)

Capable of lifting a car with ease. I might also add that this is a car trying to escape, and Jason stops it like a mere leaf.

He can crush two human bodies with just a step.

He can easily shatter a human skull with just a punch, plus two crushed heads with ease.

Punching through a steel door with no effort

A ripped-off human body quickly followed by a completely crushed human skull.

With some punches, Jason is actually capable of harming his powered-up counterpart from the future, Uber-Jason, and you'll later see the true details of this feat, if you consider how tough Uber-Jason is.

Severed with the circular saw, then proceeds to fall 2 stories to the ground below. He then casually snaps his own neck back into place.

Stabbed multiple times in the heart.

A grenade annihilates a big portion of his body. It quickly regenerates everything.

Falls from a helicopter that proceeds to explode and burst everything around into flames. Don't worry, he's fine.

He's incredibly skilled with arrows.

This is not easy to throw, and it's very hard to avoid.

Jason vs helicopter

Tossing a human head

Jason's most insane strength feat yet, throwing an Oakwood Tree. A huge one, that is....... A Tree

High voltage, barely a scratch.

He survives re-entry into Earth-II's atmosphere. Again, without a scratch.

Kirei was born.. different. He had a warped mind, He had no motives, no feelings, nothing. He is neither sane nor insane, he simply is. He tried to correct this by joining the Holy Church thinking God would give him salvation.. but without feelings he made a perfect executor, actually becoming the best.

If you are interested in learning more about him, You can read more about him here.

Strength

Kerei Kotomine is pretty strong himself, he is certainly not outclassed by either Luther (I know he's on my team, I'm just saying) or Jason completely. Here, in Fate/Zero, Kirei had his hands tied to a tree by magic. Any normal person would be unable to actually break free, but with Kirei's ridiculous training regimen, he is capable of emitting full on strikes with the back of his hands capable of breaking a 30cm thick tree in half with three strikes. Note that the author compared his body to steel as well.

As he lost his balance, the silver threads wrapped around the tree tightly and pulled Kirei towards it. Finally, it bound him firmly towards the tree trunk

The grown tree was more than 30 cm thick. Even if Kirei wanted to use his outrageous strength, it was impossible for him to break or uproot the tree. At last, he was completely immobile.

And even then, Irisviel was the one who steadily lost her advantage underneath Kirei’s strength. In theory, Kirei’s hands should have been overpowered by the pressure generated by the silver thread. Yet, his muscles were trained to the point where they appeared steel-like, and they were powerful beyond all belief. Her silvery thread almost broke, as they struggled underneath the saturated state of near-collapse. In order to keep it tight and to prevent the metal from breaking, she must constantly use her mana to maintain it.

It could be said that the two women still mistakenly underestimated the terror that is the Executor of the Church.

With no knowledge of Chinese kungfu, Irisviel thought that it was only necessary to bind Kirei’s hands to render him helpless. It was not her fault that she only thought like that. However, for someone who managed to reach the level of training such as Kirei, the entire body is a weapon. For example, if he only planted both feet on the ground…

“BOOM,” the deafening sound rendered Irisviel speechless.

The tree trunk shook erratically. As if struck by a full-powered fist. That means the sound she was hearing – only someone using his full strength to strike at the center of the tree could make that sort of sound.

The clear strike sounded again. This time, she started to doubt her ears. She heard a chilling sound of breakage.

She could not see the situation, but Irisviel understood through the touch of her silver thread. The tree trunk that bound Kirei had large cracks in it. The cracks were next to the part where the silver thread wrapped around – the spot directly below Kirei’s hands.

Kirei, with the back of his hands pressing against the bark, was striking at the tree trunk with all of his strength.

Irisviel could not have known – but the strength from a martial arts master is not merely produced from the wrist. From the strength of the feet on the ground, the turning of the back, and the twisting of shoulders, it was possible to instantaneously release a burst of power in the fists. To an expert in this phenomenon, the strength of the arm was insignificant in comparison to the power of the whole body. If it was necessary, one can press the fist next to the target and strike simply by virtue of the “force” coming from outside of the arm – this is known as the hidden technique of “explosive force.”

The sound of the third strike shook the forest. In comparison to the time before, this was much stronger. The tree trunk groaned one last time as the broken fibers broke with loud cracks. As the supporting point of the silvery thread, the trunk collapsed. Grabbing the thread with both of his hands, Kirei nonchalantly escaped the silvery ring at the point of collapse and pulled the thread apart link by link.

Speed

Below is Kirei cutting down nearly every single bullet from a full auto machine gun at near point blank range.

Honestly, thats a feat that people like Wolverine, Spider-Man, etc probably couldn't replicate. The closest that comes to mind is Elektra's feat of deflecting machine gunfire off her Sais, but she deflected what.. 2-3 bullets? Kerei nearly cut down the full mag, I say nearly because you can see him do a backflip through some of it. Emiya (the one shooting at Kirei) is an expert marksmen and ex-assassin himself, and if anything during that fight, he was actually faster than Kirei, enhancing the feat even more. I don't think it's an overestimation to say Kirei is the fastest combatant in this match.

Durability

Kirei isn't particularly durable himself, he has pretty ridiculous endurance that.. honestly, I couldn't see Punisher of all people replicating. However while he is probably the least durable of the bunch, its not like hes a glass cannon.

Similar to the strength section where it compared his skin to steel, a similar instance happens below where Kirei is open-fired upon by Maiya. Kirei has bullet-proof armor, so he decided to run through it, however it the author compared every bullet hitting him to a metal bat swinging at him, and despite that, Kirei didn't break his full sprint.

Like a spring, Kirei mechanically leapt as he suddenly charged toward Maiya. Fearlessly, Maiya pressed the trigger.

But Kirei only protected his head; he didn’t bother dodging. Even the sleeves of the monk’s robes were made from thick Kevlar filaments. It was covered seamlessly with the Church’s special protection spells. 9mm caliber pistol rounds, even at extremely close distances, cannot pierce it. Even then, the strikes from 250 foot-pound bullets, firing at 10 rounds per second, struck Kirei’s body like metal bats. However, he was able to completely protect his organs and bones because of his well-trained musculature that acted like armor.

Black Keys (The Wolverine claw things)

Kirei is described as a mini-bullseye below. He has a literal 100% hit-rate on his Black Keys. No, It's not one of those 'until he met the main character!' type thing. He literally never missed a single throw he made with them, no matter if he couldn't see the target, no matter if it was against a bullet timing servant or not.

He used Black Keys during ranged battle. A single throw, complete with preparatory movements, could be completed in 0.3 seconds. He could perform four separate throws in 0.7 seconds. His accuracy rate was 100% even when striking down unconfirmed targets, such as the illusions in the Einzbern forest. The blades themselves, half-spiritual entities, could penetrate iron.

Below while literally face down on the ground not looking at her, he draws a Black Key and throws it through Maiya's leg.

Kirei, maintaining his position, did not stand up. Instead, he threw a hidden Black Key with a single swing of his arms. From the lower trajectory, the black key ripped apart Maiya’s right calf, taking away her opportunity for the next action

Vs Liara

Kirei will use his tactical ability to deduce he wouldn't be able to tank Liara's bullets given her futuristic appearance, most likely thinking she is a servant from the future and use the environment to his advantage by removing her line of sight incapable of getting a direct shot off. He'll appear somewhere around her rapidly closing the distance using his Martial Art stances and leaps. (I'll get into this in my next post, he did something similar before so its not a complete stretch)

Vs Jason

This'll be the easier fight of the two IMO, and Kirei has exactly what he needs to take out Jason. A massive speed advantage, appropriate striking strength and black keys as a distraction. Now I know you are going to probably argue the above isn't enough to harm Jason, but that isn't the full extent of Kirei's striking strength. He is capable of massively enhancing his strength by using CommandSeals. The TL;DR of that is just a massive magic source to draw from. Something Kirei can use to enhance any of his stats, including his striking strength. The Author actually stated that Kirei was striking with the force of a grenade.

Kiritsugu shuddered, as the tall, frock-clad figure glided forward. Kirei's reached Baji Quan's optimum distance, and his fist drove toward toward the enemy with the power to reach infinity in all eight directions.

Kirei stepped forward. The concrete floor boomed under the impact, and the heavily planted forward fist slammed into Kiritsugu’s chest like a rock. Using the ‘Eight Postures of the Buddha Guards’ style, the sheer force of Kirei’s strike was like a grenade exploding in Kiritsugu's chest. Kiritsugu’s body, which took the full force of the blow, flew through the air like a strand of hay, and slammed into the support pillars that crowded the room. He never had the chance to defend himself. His thoracic cavity crumpled beneath Kirei’s iron fist, and his lung and heart were pounded into a mash of meat.

Barrier

The barrier will be a good defense asset for Liara here, she's even got some solid reaction times, can probably throw it up before Luther manages to get the initial blitz on her. Although the huge drawback on such a good defense is that it eliminates any means to throw offense. All this really is, is nothing more then a stalling method.

Singularity

Another decent game changer. Although I'd argue that Luther's pre-cog, not to mention the obvious energy flare that accompanies it's use will let Luther know that something dangerous is about to happen before Liara get's it off. It'd be a pain if Luther were to get caught in it, but when he sees a strange looking creature simply thrust its hand forward before she actually does, he'll suspect something for sure. I'd say with all this, he could easily get out of it's range before she landed it. Based on what you've shown, the range only seems to be a few feet at best. Luther is extremely fast.

Warp

As you've stated, warp would be used in conjunction with the Singularity. If she attempted to use it by itself, we don't even know how fast it travels, although I'd say it's near bullet speed. Even if it is, we've all seen how easily Luther can handle bullets. This won't be landing on it's own

Push/Pull

Really not much to worry about here. Most of those mercenaries don't seem like much more then your typical fodder like enemy. Not really remotely comparable to someone like Luther. His pre-cog, and again, the obvious energy flare, especially if it happens after the barrier goes up, will let him dodge it or feminize the damage. this might cause.

Physical Amps

Now this surprised me. I didn't know Liara could amp herself like this. It's actually kinda cool. Although throwing down with Luther in such a manner would bode poorly for her. Liara also does not have access to the vanguard's biotic charge, she has to actually run up to her opponent, getting into close range. From what you've shown, the mercs don't seem at all adept in close quarters combat to even a 1/10th of the degree Luther is. Luther's pre-cog would let him see the incoming blitz before she does it and he's reacted to opponents of similar speeds, and has put them down brutally.

Blitz Liara? I doubt this considering three factors. One she has Kinetic Shields that can survive a blow from Luther's speedy fist fine. Two she has Barriers that would take Luther some time to get through on top of this. Three, she has the speed feats when she uses Biotics. Im not seeing any scenario where you can simply speed blitz her. However by doing this, she rag doll Luther a bit to buy time, and Warp him canceling out his healing factor at the start of the fight. throwing up a Singularity will also counter Luther nicely as he would be caught in the gravity well for same effect to get Warp. Two ways to deal with the "speed blitz" you are proposing.

I conceded that Liara's barrier would more then likely stop the initial blitz, however, as shown by your scans, she has to focus on maintaining it, she can't throw any offense while she has it up. And powerful impacts do take energy out of the user, as we see the asari commando stagger back after taking some missiles. I'd argue that Luther's pre-cog in conjuction with the obvious flare that accompanies Biotic use, should buy enough time for Luther to get out of the way of Singularity and it's seemingly small range.

Like wise another point of interest, Precog would be near useless on Liara. As Luther precog cannot predict things like energy attacks or what Biotic power her hand wave will launch what attack next. Not to mention getting torn to shreds in close combat from Liara letting loss her Biotic power like in the scan above with the room she shreds by just emmiting Biotic waves.

I conceded that pre-cog by itself would be useless, however seeing her motions will let luther know that something is about to happen, then once he sees the flare up, he'll know she's about to attack, and he has the feats to get out of the way in time.

So Luther trying to blitz is the WORST thing he can try at the opening of the fight.

Meh, I wouldn't say it's the worst option. It forces Liara to turtle up while Luther can just pound on her shields. Either her shields will break first (unlikely), or she will. It's only a matter of time. I'd say with confidence that Luther's stamina is leagues better then Liara's.

Your speed is concern here but not much else. That will be what my main strategy revolves around. Outmaneuvering that. Which will not be easy, but believe me, if any one character can do it, it's Voorhees.

Based on what exactly? You never posted any speed feats for Jason to show that he can't outmaneuver someone like Luther, much less tag him. Luther would see all of Jason's attacks coming in a straight up fight. I doubt he's land a single shot if they went mano a' mano

However Jason has MKX feats as well. So his speed isn't anything to scoff about. He's able to keep up with fighters like Scorpion, Sub Zero, Johnny Cage and well...anyone. Not saying that their speed is on the level of the enemy participants in this battle but it is nothing to laugh at.

Game mechanics mate. Not really much else to be said about that.

His ability to teleport will come in very handy here as well as though we begin the fight face to face, I will have Jason teleport (MKX and evident is certain films) into one of the surrounding buildings and stalk you anticipating the correct to attack

What teleporting ability? Where was it ever stated that Jason has the ability to straight up teleport? Is he stealthy as shit? Sure he is. But I've seen nothing that states he can straight teleport. Not to mention, stealth won't exactly be effective given Luther's heightened senses that lets him react to superhuman snipers and sense entire military teams that are about to ambush him. Also, it's pretty bright in the area dude, and most of your scans show Jason doing his handywork at night. Not much places to hide effectively in such a bright area

Jason is a master of Stealth and is capable on sneaking up on and dismembering or quickly executing the most experienced and lethal of special forces. As seen in scans above. these are men trained for that type of warfare yet their encounters with Jason always end with them oblivious to his presence until he has already attacked. When they finally get some offense in, it matters not as he can endure an extraordinary amount of damage with little to no visible effect and heal in mere moments

Standard human forces anyway, nothing that Luther cannot do, and has in fact done in his second series. These men knew how dangerous Luther was, and he still creamed them, much like how Jason creamed that military team. Luther has also matched Jason in pain tolerance feats as well during his fight with Jack and the Binder in his second series. He was stabbed, slashed, shocked, broken, beaten and burnt. Despite all of that, not only did Luther manage to escape them, but he even healed throughout that entire fight, as we seem all his injuries healed near the end of the fight.

Its going to be hard to dodge in this small environment. I mean there is only so much to dodge or take cover in. Liara meanwhile can spam Biotic abilities like Push and pull to keep Kirie from going anywhere. Then shoot him up as needed.

In no gif you posted (unless I missed it), Liara is incapable of using her weapons while starting her powers. The reason seems to be it taking immense concentration and wide arm movements to actually use her powers. Now, There is the black hole thing of her shooting them after she used her powers, but she had too draw her weapon AFTER. In this scenario where Liara is fully equipped, she most likely won't start off with her powers.. atleast not from what you've shown. Worst case scenario is her having to put her weapon to the side for concentration. Something Kirei can easily take advantage of with his speed.

Covering Ten Meters within an instant (Nearly twice the distance of this scenario) I'm assuming the 'cannon firing' means Kirei was breaking the sound barrier with his movement.

Covering this distance

Before a Peak Human assassin moving at double speed (innate time control) could react

Can run at over fifty kilometers per hour in uneven terrain while carrying someone, with no magic enhancement and without strain.

Gallery

Now thats Kirei's original speed, He can aswell enhance it with his command seals.

Kirei once again activated a Command Seal the moment he stepped toward Kiritsugu. He reinforced his physical abilities. Kirei accelerated his reaction time, multiplying the maximum power output of his right flexor, radius muscle, and pronator teres. There was no time to strengthen the sleeve of the bulletproof frock. The rest depended entirely upon his skill.

Steel is like cardboard to Uber Jason. Or regular Jason for that matter. As seen here:

I wasn't exactly expecting Kirei to ignore punches from Jason, but combined with his innate durability + kevlar lining + magic protection from his own innate enhancements. He'll survive at least a few.

That's not necessarily a good thing here.

No, it's not. However, If Kirei was invincible this wouldn't be much fun :P

While he is certainly the least durable combatant here, It's not like he is going to be put down easily.

Gallery

Above is someone crushing his heart, and squeezing his body like a rag. He survives for nearly another day despite those injuries.

That is a cool stat. Never missed and I don't expect him to miss here. However, what is that going to do to Jason. If you even see him coming? Or L'iara since she'll have her shields up?

Why wouldn't I see him coming? Do you mean his Teleportation?

Kirei while massively injured, deflected every single blow from Emiya (A Peak Human) going Triple Speed (Innate time control) who was going consistently FTE and despite not being able to actually see him (Had no vision in his eye due to an injury)

“Time Alter: Triple Accel!”

Kiritsugu leapt toward Kirei as he uttered the forbidden spell. His unpredictable acceleration caught Kirei off-guard. One blow from the hardened walnut wood snapped Kirei’s right radius and ulna. The Executor's right arm was destroyed.

As he struck with his right hand, Kiritsugu drew the dagger by his waist using his left. With one eye and one arm ruined, it didn’t matter how great Kirei’s martial art skills were; victory would belong to Kiritsugu as long as he continued to move at three times his top speed. Using Innate Time Control in this way would ordinarily be suicide, but thanks to the protection of Saber’s sheath, he could now use it to its full potential as a strategic weapon.

Kirei dodged the upward stab as the dagger was removed from its sheath, and used his left arm to block the downward slash and backhand horizontal swing Kiritsugu followed up with. However, with these three attacks, Kiritsugu shifted around to Kirei's left hand side, into Kirei’s blind spot. As long as he stayed on the left side of the enemy, Kiritsugu would have all the chances in the world to strike Kirei down from his blind spot.

Kiritsugu’s sharp blade sliced closer, but Kirei didn’t turn; instead using the left side of the body to block every swing. Turning would have been pointless; his broken right arm could not possibly block Kiritsugu’s dagger. Thus, though it disadvantageous for Kirei to use his left side to defend himself, he had no other choices.

The dagger attacked continuously, flickering through the air with a chilling light. No regular human would have been able to even see Kiritsugu’s movements; only the lighting-like residual images the dagger left in its wake. Kirei, though, blocked every attack using just his left arm. Kirei, who easily defended himself even when faced with attacks made at three times the speed of normal humans, terrified Kiritsugu. There were a few attacks that even Kirei would never have seen coming with his eyes, but the Executor’s left arm defended him, as if it could see every swing.

“Could this be the idea of ‘hearing’ a move?!”

Kiritsugu only had a vague impression of this phrase. Some schools of martial arts thought that when a martial artist had reached a certain state in his skills, he wouldn’t need eyesight to detect the enemy’s movement. He could predict the opponent’s next move purely on the brief moment when his arm blocked that of his opponent.

The attacks from his blind spot had also been rendered pointless, then. Since the attacks were coming from a static location, Kirei could block them even if he couldn’t see them. This man’s skills made him someone who wouldn’t be at a disadvantage even when put under the duress of speed.

Maybe you meant Jason TP'ing away and shooting him with an Arrow.

Kirei has been capable of four arrows and in that same moment, send black keys to kill the shooters.

I honestly don't believe it's still enough. Your speed will keep you both alive and will even help you get a good bit of offense in but Jason isn't going to just stand there. This also includes his partner who has an array of odd weaponry and range attacks that you are going to have alot of trouble adapting to and overcoming. Especially with Voorhees attacking at the same time.

Speed isn't going to win this fight alone, but considering he simply outclasses Jason in speed (It took Emiya from before going four times his maximum speed to actually dodge an injured Kirei) and skill, as well as having enough striking force to harm Jason as well as having better ranged capability, It would be a decent fight and Kirei would have to work for it, but the Mama's boy eventually goes down. Hell, Kirei can move so fast sometimes he could probably outrun Jason's teleportation, giving his movement sounded like cannon fire (aka breaking the sound barrier) he will have struck multiple times before Jason can react accordingly.

Kirei is so fast that he can literally react to being shot, and move his arm where he was shot at to change the trajectory so it causes the least amount of harm to his body. (This bullet ignores magic, which is why he was penetrated)

The Contender once again let out a furious roar. Kirei had no time to dodge, nor did he have time to draw his Black Keys.

But Kirei had never intended to dodge.

Kirei once again activated a Command Seal the moment he stepped toward Kiritsugu. He reinforced his physical abilities. Kirei accelerated his reaction time, multiplying the maximum power output of his right flexor, radius muscle, and pronator teres. There was no time to strengthen the sleeve of the bulletproof frock. The rest depended entirely upon his skill.

Kirei threw a right punch a moment before the Contender fired. His arm, having transformed into a lethal magecraft Mystic Code, carved a spiral through the air, and a tornado roared into being.

This movement became a spiral of force. Originally a defensive skill to nullify an opponent’s strike, the martial arts move was performed at a horrific speed after the prana of two Command Seals was infused into it.

The bullet left the barrel at a speed of 2500 inches per second, and was wrapped up in the spiral that moved at a divine speed. Even so, the .30-06 bullet still kept a straight path. It tore apart the Kevlar sleeve, clashing viciously with Kirei’s hardened arm, emitting alien sounds like the clash of two mill stones.

The scattering sparks seemed to distort the laws of physics; a supernatural phenomena where approximately 3000 pound-per-inch kinetic energy was forced to bend to the power of magecraft. A chill ran down Kiritsugu's spine as he watched the second Contender bullet's trajectory change. The bullet flew off at an angle, into the distance.

His partner most likely wouldn't be able to save him, as either I'll be fighting her with enough speed and etc to overwhelm her and Luther will be fighting you, or Luther will be distracting her while I'm fighting you. Neither team exactly synergize with each other too much, so I don't think teamwork will come into play.

Barrier

This is false actually. barrier is any time she is powered up by Biotics. In all three games you can cast Barrier on the body itself than a wide AOE as she is shown, and operate other Biotics, Hand to Hand, or Range Weapons fine. The only reason she is focusing and straining is due to increasing the Barriers range and radius against major forces. throwing one up on her body, combine with the kinetic shields and armor, makes for one durable lady to tank more than a few blows till she counters with her better powers.

Well, this really improves my odds, and actually renders the initial blitz Luther will pull here much more effective. The reason why I said that Barrier would counter the blitz is due to it's radius. Since you're now claiming she's going to use the smaller, more personalized version, then the blitz will land. She'll tank it though, but still be sent flying by the force. But then Luther can just keep punching her and smashing her around. That barrier will go down and her armor won't save her.

Singularity

Two problems with this counter. You "ASSUME" Luther's "MOVE READING" precog will alert him, which it wont. Its as simple as a wave of the hand, punch of the fist, ect. Same body movements that all her powers use. Luther's power is only Move Reading which is telling him little, and in a random battle Luther has no clue to discern a Singularity from a Warp. He also has no clue of the Radius. You say few feat, lmao. those gifs look like 3 feet? Thats a easy meter and more. Once caught in that radius, he will get stuck for over a dozen seconds making for easy shooting practice, or get Warp which will then hinder his healing factor.

Like I said above, there is the possibility of Luther getting caught in it, his pre-cog isn't a 100% counter, and, like I said, it will be a pain if he's caught in it. Exactly when is she supposed to get this off? She's gonna have to put up her barrier right at the start to survive since Luther will blitz her and pound on her, putting her entirely on the defensive since he doesn't have to worry about the huge version of barrier. Also, "over a dozen seconds"? where are you getting that number from? By my count, the max duration you get for it in mass effect 3 is only 6 seconds according to the Mass effect 3 wiki . Although I was wrong on the radius of it.

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Now, let's assume Liara lands the singularity and Luther gets caught in it, then tries to shoot Luther.We all know he can tank bullets just fine, and it isn't like he still can't move his limbs, since going by your Liara GIF for singularity, those affected can still move their limbs, So Luther can still block bullets that Liara attempts to fire.

Now if Liara went with warp, it will create a hassle, I'll admit. Now assuming that lands, it will inhibit his healing factor, however the length of that is only 16 seconds at maximum. As well, the concussive force produced will send Luther flying. Although Luther can take a hell of a beating so I don't see the blast doing much. The inhibited healing factor will be the real issue there although I'd say it shouldn't be as big as you seem to be making it out to be.

Warp

Warp can be used by itself and the attack seared through flesh and Mass Effect durable armor easy.

Never said it couldn't be used alone. I know it can. I'm saying that with the speed it travels, even if we assume it's bullet speed, then Luther should be able to dodge it if it's used on it's own. Everything else wasn't really needed. I mean, if we look at your GIF

Throwing a warp is a lot like throwing a fastball. There is a clearly visible projectile, your own Gif shows the same thing. So, it's probable that Luther can dodge it if used on it's own.

Push/Pull

Really not much to worry about here. Most of those mercenaries don't seem like much more then your typical fodder like enemy. Not really remotely comparable to someone like Luther. His pre-cog, and again, the obvious energy flare, especially if it happens after the barrier goes up, will let him dodge it or feminize the damage. this might cause.

Not really a good argument. Again, the Move Reading precog will not alert Luther to which attack will be used, and this one is more dangerous due to the above feats of Liara letting loose with Biotic Energy around her person.

Here is another one below of aria doing similar.

These attacks have large AOE and great counters to your initial Speed Blitz Argument.

Again, long term game, these aren't really that effective as a means of putting someone like Luther down. They're a minor hindrance at best.

Physical Amps

Now this surprised me. I didn't know Liara could amp herself like this. It's actually kinda cool. Although throwing down with Luther in such a manner would bode poorly for her. Liara also does not have access to the vanguard's biotic charge, she has to actually run up to her opponent, getting into close range. From what you've shown, the mercs don't seem at all adept in close quarters combat to even a 1/10th of the degree Luther is. Luther's pre-cog would let him see the incoming blitz before she does it and he's reacted to opponents of similar speeds, and has put them down brutally.

Liara rarely "throws down" with anyone. preferring to use her Biotics and range fire power. However she has Barriers, Shields, Armor, and decent speed with her various Biotic attacks. I see no reason for her to get physical with a man who is like a Krogan. You say the Mercs are not that great, and they are not in close combat. Still, Liara has faced incredible close combat beings before. Krogan are decent, but the Cerberus Phantoms are very skilled, fast, and deadly.

These Phantoms move as blurs, with cybernetic enhancements, and train for close combat with molecular blades, and a powerful bubble version of the Kinetic Shield that stops Liara dead at first. Liara in this fight not only keeps pace in close combat, but out thinks the Kinetic Shield problem.

Where was it established how fast these Phantoms move? I've never seen anything establishing they move at "blur speeds". Hell, if anything those images establish how much of a disadvantage Liara seems to be at close ranged combat.

She was also there to fight Saren by game footage if you chose her. He moved incredibly fast, and was dangerous as hell in close combat, but she was there to help Shepherd beat him technically. Then survive the Citadel wreckage of the ship crash.

Canonically, we don't know who was there when Shepard faced Saren. Using this as a feat is pure speculation. Who is there is entirely up to the player.

Again, the Biotic charge is not exclusive to Sheperd, many races can use it, and while the attack is not in Liara's skill set, it does not change the evidence and fact she can increase her speed in directions to a insane high degree through Biotics.

Of course she can, I never said she couldn't. I also never said the the charge was exclusive to Shepard, but to the vanguard class. I said that it What I said is that she cannot seemingly teleport to her opponent, much like the vanguard can, she has to physically rush her opponent, something that Luther has a massive amount of experience with and can counter with his pre-cog

She also faced versatile and hax foes in Tech base and Biotic base foes, a lot of them with stats enhancements. So nothing Luther brings is shocking her or something she has not dealt with. The same cannot be said of Luther.

And some of these examples would be....?

This is false. In game the Barrier works fine with other powers and such. That is how it works on the player using it. We also see this Biotic energy surround Liara many times in intense fights like here.

Two separate fights with her barrier active on just herself fine. All the Barrier is is biotic energy on top of the Kinetic Shields, working the same way. The only time she needs to focus is when she is increasing the radius of it to engulf others.

At the time, I was going by the big barrier, since that is what I assumed you would be using. I addressed what Luther could do if she decided to go for the smaller barrier

That Asari Commando is weaker IMO considering Liara help Shep beat a host of Asari Commando in the first game alone. Though multiple attacks from Luther would rock and weaken her quickly, the issue is Liara does not need to rely on her Barriers when she can move fast, have the Shield+Armor combo, and versatile powers to keep Luther at bay. Add to all this is Jason lurking around the corner. This is not some 2v1 scenario, and all this focus on my character will allow Jason for sure to get a attack in from behind at this rate.

Speculating that Liara's barrier would do better then that Asari commando's is nice, but it isn't exactly proof. Also, you seem to acknowledge here that by herself, she wouldn't last too long against Luther and seem to be relying on the idea that Jason will pop in to save your ass while my other teammate is also in play. As you said, this isn't some 2V1 scenario. Also, Liara's best chance (imo) of survival is throwing up the barrier right at the start, as a mere 20 feet isn't much distance, Luther can easily blitz that. As you yourself said "multiple attacks from Luther would rock and weaken her quickly", which is exactly what Luther is gonna start with, since he's a brawler (albeit one with some skill). He's just gonna punch her...a lot.

Fair enough, but many of these attacks have a decent AOE.

I just dont see Luther doing a lot of dodging of these AOE TK like attacks, and less from Hypersonic bullets. He is very in character to tank attacks if he must.

I'd actually agree with you here, and these AOE attacks will be tricky if they happen, but it's nothing that would kill Luther or put him in a near death state. As you said, Liara is mostly here for support.

Meh, I wouldn't say it's the worst option. It forces Liara to turtle up while Luther can just pound on her shields.

I disprove this already.

Eh, not really. Also, this statement was also made when I assumed you were using the big barrier. If anything, using the personnel one puts Liara in a more precarious position imo since it lets Luther knock her around a bit.

Either her shields will break first (unlikely), or she will. It's only a matter of time. I'd say with confidence that Luther's stamina is leagues better then Liara's.

While Luther will outlast Liara in a stamina game, that is thankfully not the case here.

I still see it as one really. Liara isn't exactly bullet speed without her amps. And as we can see from your images, there is a noticeable difference when she amps herself. They aren't automatic.

There is no speed feats for Jason unless you want to use MKX. I am fine not using them however please realize that game characters are used in CaVs and battles all the time. None of the MK characters are Strode caliber in speed but they hold their own. BUT...like I said, I digress.

I understand that game characters are used in CaV, however, straight game mechanics don't equal speed imo. Although I do understand that there are probably some people who see it differently

MKX doesn't need to be used here. Jason will kill you without it.

Somehow I'm sure

Outmaneiver means teleport/appear behind him when L'iara is occupying most of his and Kotomine's attention. Not implying that you 2 will be clueless to the hockey mask bloodsoaked brute with a machete, but once she begins throwing you around with TK like abilities - it only makes sense that the situation your in would turn dire quickly, forcing both of you to realize that she needs to be eliminated asap.

So, you're basically going to leave your support character alone against two powerhouses? Top marks in teamwork there lol. Also, we start 20 feet away and Luther has phenomenal eyesight, he'll know Jason is there at the start of the match. Also, Liara probably won't be holding out for long if you leave her alone at the start. Not the best move imo.

Thus, opening the door for Jason to stealth kill one of you. You aren't taking a machete to the throat and none of you are harming Jason X to the degree you think you are. As seen here:

He won't be stealth killing Luther, not with his senses. Also, a stab to the throat? Luther has been disemboweled in a fight and has had his throat torn out, kept fighting just fine.

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This is what Jason X did to Jason

Doesn't really surprise me since Jason X is supposed to be Jason on uber steroids basically.

You aren't doing anything but moving at a fast pace and while I expect someone like Strode to be a challenge. he is really just further annoying Voorhees.

The issue I have with this is that you haven't shown what Jason X's durability is like compared to Normal Jason. We see in your scans that normal Jason isn't exactly invulnerable. The only feat that belongs to Jason X is tanking that fall from orbit. I see nothing that wouldn't indicate that Jason X cannot be dismembered.

yes, he's a stealthy sumB**.

No, you are correct. Stealth probably won't get past Luther's heightened senses...

And this is why we love Jason, for his stealth lol. Although the stealth game won't get passed Luther, as you said.

At :33 in, she literally looks directly at him. And while focused on him in that same spot, she goes to escape and is face to face with Voorhees in a different spot.

Then immediately after, :41 in, he is blocking her exit in another part of the room.

....... It's teleportation.

Fair enough then.

Standard human forces that are trained for years upon years how to adapt in survival situations and hunt the enemy at night.

Luther has NOT matched anything when it comes to pain tolerance. Are you kidding? Was half of his upper torso blown off and healed in 1 to 2 seconds? Is he even close to the scans I presented previously.

Besides, Luther isn't going to just tank and suffer minor wounds. You know that thing Jason does when he violently shoves a machete upwards through the chin and into the brain of his victims? I see him teleporting to any one of you and doing that. Especially since L'iara herself is so formidable and you cannot focus on me at all or she 'll be given the opportunity to use her Warp or TK related powers.

I might have been overzealous there lol. But since when does Jason teleport all over the place in a fight? Also, you already admitted that Jason isn't getting Luther with a sneak attack because of his senses

Just for the lols, why couldn't she throw you into my machete. I mean I can appear anywhere. Idk much about Strode or Kotomine. Do they possess traits that prevent them from being screwed with in this manner by L'iara?

Well, I'd say the issue of either being taken out of the fight (since you're leaving her on her own at the start, by your own admission), or having her own tough combatant in Kirei to contend with might put a damper on the whole teamwork thing.

At :25, Jason takes a shotgun blast to the face and offers no physical reaction other than pissed and it does nothing

Uh, are we watching the same video? That shotgun blast is to the torso, not the face...

He then promptly stands there and absorbs military grade weaponry at close range like its rain drops

Well, for the most part, they don't do much damage although you can see him flinching multiple times, but it's a nitpick of a point really

At :37, you then see his accuracy with random objects as he propels a large metal shard (that might actually be his machete lol. Hard to tell) with expert aim and the most of ease. Since he has standard gear here, he has that option as well but while I wouldn't expect that to lay out Strode or Kotomine, it certainly would make things even more difficult.

Kinda easy to do when said victim is running in a straight line.... Something that Luther won't get hit by due to pre-cog and just not being an idiot. Face to face combat with Luther will be tough for Jason

At 2:34 he again easily shakes off multiple shotgun blasts at close range

At 2:59 - Jason stabs through the sealed door of a chryo chamber and mortally wounds the victim. How the hell you ask? Well, idk but it sure is pretty sweet to see.

Man, I loved that whole scene lol.

Im not even sure what your saying here. She is fully capable of using guns while using her powers.

Sorry, That is my mistake. I was looking for the word 'activate'. As in, she hasn't activated her powers with anything in her hands, because everything you've posted shows her requiring intense concentration or a lot of arm movements.

Let's take for example, the scan you posted to "prove me wrong".

She has no weapon drawn, flicks her arm in a movement, once he powers are activated, she draws her weapon:

However, lets go a little deeper. Here are NINETEEN different instances of her requiring long arm movements or concentration (or both) without a weapon

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Well thats a lie if I ever heard. Almost all her fights show no "concentration", and casual use of her powers. Nice try. The only time she "concentrates" is when she is using her powers to their limits.

Maybe, but outside of the falling feat.. nothing you've posted. Now, I could nitpick a feat like the missle feat or the ocean feat, but yeah, I agree those were high end feats that required a level of concentration she wouldn't need here. However, You are ignoring feats like this:

Seemingly requiring intense concentration and a long arm movement to simply lift and throw a table.

Not true mate. She drew her weapon when it was at her holster, but I showed a dozen scans with her weapons in hand while using powers. Your trying way to hard to try and find a counter or fault with Liara, and looks like desperate argument to me. Try another rout.

You are the one trying to ignore a character's innate weakness. Admittedly, I may be wrong about this as I have never played a Mass Effect game. However, with everything YOU'VE posted, the only thing close is her using weapons after she has activated some type of shield ability. (Once again, without a weapon drawn). Now, I'm not trying to say 'Weapons are her weakness! Her powers don't work if she's holding them!'. No, I'm saying because her hands are full, she can't. In everything you've posted, she requires long arm movements, something extremely awkward to do if you are holding an assault rifle. You know what however? I'm not going to fall back on my words, let's analyze most of the biotic instances:

Note: What I have to say is under each scan/gif

She is seemingly holding a gun though its hard to tell, I'm just guessing based on her stance, Whatever the bad guys name is activates her powers, Liara activates hers as well.. with her weapon nowhere to be seen. Hmm

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These seem to be high end feats so I feel no need to nitpick it, but I'm just including it because its biotic related.

Activates her powers --> Draws weapon

I'm not even sure if its Liara, but she is using long throwing movements, something she wouldn't be able to do with a rifle in her hands.

Once again, they require near full body movements as if he were playing baseball.

Liara above requires to constantly hold her hand to control the guy's body with her TK..

Long throwing arm movements.

Offensive Power -> No weapon. Defensive Power --> Draws weapon after its activated.

Here is quite the biggest offender in my opinion, seemingly requiring quite a bit of concentration just to lift and move a table.

This is quite literally what I'm talking about. She doesn't put an arm up to defend herself, and has to literally focus on moving the rubble. Off-Topic.. Why didn't she just TK him?

This is quite literally the only instance you provided of her doing it seemingly effortless, but.. its not really combat applicable.

Requires a huge fan motion

Seems to be a high end feat, but once again pretty insane movement required.

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Considering its H2H, I don't think there is a need to address this.

This is probably the best thing you have going for you in this side of the debate, however: It's not Liara, and Its Gameplay.

Required a push arm movement..

Look at the first panel.

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Long uppercut arm movement

Okay, this is longer than I thought it would be, so I'm not quite going to go into EVERY gif/scan. However, please refer any that proves SFW's point, I'll discuss the only one I could find he posted:

1. I know you would probably say this disproves my argument, but I'm not arguing that weapons are her Kryptonite. I'm arguing that her powers require long winded arm movements and concentration, the first being extremely difficult to do with an assault rifle in your hand. Keep that in mind:
2. She is using a large clapping arm movement, she is fully capable of doing so with a small weapon. However, an assault rifle taking up both hands? Nah.
3. This doesn't cover any other ability, and if she used this one, it would pretty much be the equivalent of suicide.
4. It's gameplay, it would be pretty insane if you had to put your weapons away every time you wanted to use your powers.

WHAT!!!???? She opens up every battle in the comic with her powers, and in game even she opens with powers in cutscenes. Your not helping your argument at all now.

I don't read Mass Effect comics, just like you've never seen Fate. However, I addressed her using her powers in the last post 'Worst case scenario is her having to put her weapon to the side for concentration.'

Wow, im just, floored lol. You really needed to focus on something logic and sense mate. I have no clue where you thought this was a good argument for your case. I showed dozens of scans and in game where her gun is out while using powers. Wow.

You keep trying to insult me with my 'no-logic' or whatever, but you still never actually showed a single instance of it.

I see no real proof other than a hyperbole/metaphorical statement which does not amount to much proof of anything.

Kirei can't run that fast, but he can jump that fast. I'm not sure why thats hyperbole when the only feat shown for the speed of projectiles in the Mass Effect verse is apparently a theory.

That is nothing close to Mach speeds, and Wolverine done faster in feats. Its K for a speed feat though, but nothing to write home about.

I have to do a bit of scaling on Kirei's speed to show you why Kirei doing what he did was pretty good. First off, we have to start with Kayneth's Volumen Hydragyrum.. It is capable of reacting to bullets (and claymore explosions) after they are fired/explode.

The moment Kayneth arrived at the center of the hall, the four flower vases placed at the four corners of the hall suddenly exploded with an enormous roar. However, it wasn’t porcelain fragments that flew out from the explosion but countless metal beads. Those metal beads sprang toward Kayneth like bullets.

This machinery was constructed free from magecraft. Kayneth didn’t sense any scent of magecraft activation. Therefore, it must be machinery Kiritsugu set up in the vases. It is an anti-personnel mine called a Claymore, a cruel pre-set bomb. When each bomb explodes they will release, simultaneously, 700 or so steel balls with a diameter of only about one or two millimeters. These steel balls would radiate outwards in all directions in a fan formation, a terrifying weapon that people say is made to completely destroy infantry units with one strike. When it explodes, one won’t even have time to escape; the only thing the target at the center of the bombs can do is prepare to be beaten into a sieve.

– Of course, provided that the target isn’t a magus.

In the split of a second before 2800 steel balls reached Kayneth, the spot he was standing on became enveloped by a silver semi-circle. The mass of mercury lying recumbent beside his feet suddenly changed form.

Although the tight, thin mercury membrane wrapped around Kayneth was barely one millimeter thick, its surface tension reached the strength of steel when supported with prana supply. Out of the rain of beads that the Claymore mines dispersed not one of them hit Kayneth. All they did was getting reflected back to the hall and hammered the setups in the room into smithereens.

This is Volumen Hydragyrum's "automated defense" mode. This pre-set magecraft can automatically respond when Kayneth is threatened, forming a powerful protective membrane in a split second. This kind of reaction speed can even defend from bullets. It was also this defense system Volumen Hydragyrum created that protected Kayneth and Sola when the Hyatt hotel collapsed. The malleable mercury is a perfect weapon that gathered attack and defense all onto itself, being Kayneth’s sword and also Kayneth’s shield.

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Using spells to manipulate mercury for automatic protection – although he’s heard about this before, he never thought that the real thing would have such powerful abilities. Even the shockwave of the Claymore mines wouldn’t beat its defense in speed. If that’s the case, then he can’t expect to use firearms to obtain victory.

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In the blink of an eye, a circle was cut out on the floor at the center of the room and fell to the ground below. Then a silver tentacle leapt up from that circular hole.

In front of Kiritsugu, Volumen Hydragyrum’s new shape was like a metallic jellyfish. Endless tentacles grabbed the edge of the opening on the floor and their base, in the middle of the tentacles opening out like an umbrella, was expanded into a flat, bowl-like platform. And the one standing on the platform and smiling was none other than Lord El-Melloi.

Yet.. this is what happens when Kiritsugu is attacked by the machine:

He sees it nearly frozen.

However, once Kirei fights a 2x Kiritsugu.. He quite literally blitzes him.

Liara Speed with these barriers is top notch. In this feat these glass shards would be propelled at bullet speeds from this Asari Specter, and Liara reacts, and blocks the attack while covering her friends.

Now. You have shown pretty much a single speed feat for Liara with the glass feat. I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion it was Mach 1, but lets give you the benefit of the doubt and say they were Mach 1 projectiles. This is quite literally a feat MCU Captain America could replicate. She isn't dodging, she isn't sidestepping. She is putting up a shield to a extremely telegraphed attack. (Glass cracking --> Arm movement). It's impressive if you compare it to real world speed, but it's nothing worth mentioning with opponents with the speed of Luther Strode or Kirei Kotomine.

I mean, lets look at what happens when Liara fights blur level cyborgs (by your own admission)

These Phantoms move as blurs, with cybernetic enhancements, and train for close combat with molecular blades, and a powerful bubble version of the Kinetic Shield that stops Liara dead at first. Liara in this fight not only keeps pace in close combat, but out thinks the Kinetic Shield problem.

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She is quite literally overwhelmed in H2H, with the guy getting multiple hits. She is quite literally only capable of winning by using the environment. Now, I'm not trying to undermine her win, she won fair enough. However, she is fighting an opponent far faster, far more skilled punching far, far stronger.

I mean, Kirei with a crushed heart, was appearing as a blur to an injured Shirou Emiya

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Again, I see no reason for Liara not to keep up. I see less reason why this matters when both her and her team mate can tank anything your character dishes out with little to no damage. The only person dealing damage is Luther, and even he will need to work at it. Liara's Barrier/Shield/Armor combo is more than enough to hold out.

I'm not sure why Luther is doing damage if Kirei isn't, considering Kirei's striking with command seals is just as good if not better than Luther's highest end feats. However, once again its not like Kirei can't cause damage by himself.

Here, he pretty much vaporizes three Dragon Tooth Warriors. (Note him pretty much creating shockwaves with his punches)

While that's a pretty good strength feat in its own right, by Fate/Apocrypha, the Dragon Tooth Warriors weapons (same material as them) are considered harder than steel:

Dragon tooth warriors - these were skeleton troops created using the fangs of dragons. By the power of the dragon race, and bestowed with knowledge from the earth itself, every fang buried into the ground becomes an inexpensive soldier. Although they were nearly powerless against the homunculi and golems that had been built for battle, they were legion.

Created for sport by a Servant of the Red camp, these warriors were thrown into the fray in numbers that might well be endless, wave after wave that gushed out from a massive swarm. And they would not stop until they were completely shattered. Wielding swords and axes made of bone which was tougher and sharper than steel, they came in droves, smashing golems and cleaving homunculi apart.

He kicks Shirou Emiya up multiple meters with a single kick, nearly crushing every single organ.

That Kirei was the one who had a crushed heart, and whose body was 'squeezed like a rag' by dark sakura.

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This is the shields alone withstanding several Hypersonic bullet shots fine, Barrier is another layer on top of this.

Shields are good, but Kirei's Martial Art (Baji Quan) focuses on doing as much internal damage as possible.

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Now, thats just his unaided striking. I posted his best, and really only striking feat before with command seals:

Kiritsugu shuddered, as the tall, frock-clad figure glided forward. Kirei's reached Baji Quan's optimum distance, and his fist drove toward toward the enemy with the power to reach infinity in all eight directions.

Kirei stepped forward. The concrete floor boomed under the impact, and the heavily planted forward fist slammed into Kiritsugu’s chest like a rock. Using the ‘Eight Postures of the Buddha Guards’ style, the sheer force of Kirei’s strike was like a grenade exploding in Kiritsugu's chest. Kiritsugu’s body, which took the full force of the blow, flew through the air like a strand of hay, and slammed into the support pillars that crowded the room. He never had the chance to defend himself. His thoracic cavity crumpled beneath Kirei’s iron fist, and his lung and heart were pounded into a mash of meat.

Even if you argue that wouldn't hurt you for some reason, remember that Kirei can use multiple at once if need be. Hes never had to on his fists admittedly, but that's because he's never fought someone that could survive just one.

This isn't extremely long, as I didn't want to just repeat most of the scans/gifs above. Just look in that section.

I wouldn't doubt he'd survive but he'd be severely hindered and limited for the time being allowing Liara access to her offense against him; and Kirei, little to no maneuverability given the physical state he would be in after Jason inflicts his type of damage upon him.

I agree, it would daze him at the VERY LEAST and open him up for attack, but that requires actually hitting him. Read my counters to Liara, hes already blitzed someone faster then Jason. However, lets say that the speed advantage WASN'T enough. Kirei as well has the skill advantage. He has been capable of fighting a trained soldier and assassin going massively FTE through sound alone, as Kirei had no vision in his eye. No, It wasn't both of them, but Emiya (the previously mentioned FTE) was staying on the side where he didn't have vision, and Kirei couldn't really do much about it, because on the side he DID have vision, his arm was completely destroyed, and yet you know who actually gets the first hit? Kirei. He forced the assassin going at 3x speed, to go 4x just to dodge his attack.

According to Kiritsugu’s analysis, Kirei’s strategy consisted of an unknown prana source that could nullify his Origin bullets, and his Baji Quan skills. Kiritsugu would be at an extreme disadvantage in melee combat. He had lost his own machine gun, and the Contender needed to be loaded. His remaining weapons consisted of one dagger and two grenades. His chest wound had all but healed, but the damage caused by Innate Time Control–

Kiritsugu finally realised that there was something different when he attempted to tighten the muscles on his arms and legs.

He could move them. His fractured bones were now in perfect condition, as if they had never been damaged. The echo of that pain remained, but the injuries were gone.

“... I see.”

Kiritsugu finally understood the true worth of the trump card within himself. It seemed Avalon could heal injuries caused not only by his enemies, but also the damage his body caused to itself. This discovery gave Kiritsugu, who had at that point had fallen into a desperate situation, against an unimaginably strong enemy, the greatest confidence in the world.

So –

“Time Alter: Triple Accel!”

Kiritsugu leapt toward Kirei as he uttered the forbidden spell. His unpredictable acceleration caught Kirei off-guard. One blow from the hardened walnut wood snapped Kirei’s right radius and ulna. The Executor's right arm was destroyed.

As he struck with his right hand, Kiritsugu drew the dagger by his waist using his left. With one eye and one arm ruined, it didn’t matter how great Kirei’s martial art skills were; victory would belong to Kiritsugu as long as he continued to move at three times his top speed. Using Innate Time Control in this way would ordinarily be suicide, but thanks to the protection of Saber’s sheath Avalon, he could now use it to its full potential as a strategic weapon.

Kirei dodged the upward stab as the dagger was removed from its sheath, and used his left arm to block the downward slash and backhand horizontal swing Kiritsugu followed up with. However, with these three attacks, Kiritsugu shifted around to Kirei's left hand side, into Kirei’s blind spot. As long as he stayed on the left side of the enemy, Kiritsugu would have all the chances in the world to strike Kirei down from his blind spot.

Kiritsugu’s sharp blade sliced closer, but Kirei didn’t turn; instead using the left side of the body to block every swing. Turning would have been pointless; his broken right arm could not possibly block Kiritsugu’s dagger. Thus, though it disadvantageous for Kirei to use his left side to defend himself, he had no other choices.

The dagger attacked continuously, flickering through the air with a chilling light. No regular human would have been able to even see Kiritsugu’s movements; only the lighting-like residual images the dagger left in its wake. Kirei, though, blocked every attack using just his left arm. Kirei, who easily defended himself even when faced with attacks made at three times his top speed, terrified Kiritsugu. There were a few attacks that even Kirei would never have seen coming with his eyes, but the Executor’s left arm defended him, as if it could see every swing.

“Could this be the idea of ‘hearing’ a move?!”

Kiritsugu only had a vague impression of this phrase. Some schools of martial arts thought that when a martial artist had reached a certain state in his skills, he wouldn’t need eyesight to detect the enemy’s movement. He could predict the opponent’s next move purely on the brief moment when his arm blocked that of his opponent.

The attacks from his blind spot had also been rendered pointless, then. Since the attacks were coming from a static location, Kirei could block them even if he couldn’t see them. This man’s skills made him someone who wouldn’t be at a disadvantage even when put under the duress of speed.

Kiritsugu’s arms, legs, and heart let out sad screams of pain with every swing of the dagger. The adverse effect of Innate Time Control mercilessly tore apart Kiritsugu’s flesh, and Avalon fixed the damage, momentarily. Regardless of how Saber herself had used it, the sheath was only ‘healing’ Kiritsugu while in his body- it could not prevent him from taking damage, it was simply healing the damage he took. The excruciating pain of torn tendons and snapped bones tormented Kiritsugu’s nerves every single moment.

Even so, Kiritsugu did not hesitate. There was no need to hesitate. As long as his body could still move, he didn’t need to pay any attention to what he was feeling. Kiritsugu bet everything on the effects of the holy sword's sheath, and continued to accelerate against the agony.

Kirei suddenly changed his feet stance, and rolled forward, towards his opponent. Kiritsugu thought that the enemy’s ability to ‘hear’ a move had been pushed to its limit, but Kirei moved a foot, hooking one of Kiritsugu’s legs from the inside, in a move known as the locking stance. Kiritsugu stumbled backwards. The moment he finally managed to balance himself, he realized that a heavy blow from Kirei was fast approaching. He was still recovering his balance, however, so he could not move.

If so – Kiritsugu grated out a spell, from a throat that was frothing with blood.

“Time Alter: Square Accel!”

The explosive pain boiled into every part of his senses. Kiritsugu leapt up and backwards, turning in mid-air to escape from Kirei’s range, simultaneously hurling the dagger in his left hand, with all the strength in his body. Faced with yet another repeated acceleration, Kirei couldn’t dodge. The dagger ripped through the air and struck into Kirei's thigh, effortlessly slicing through Kevlar and stabbing deep into flesh.

Kiritsugu maintained his four-time acceleration, continuing to leap backwards, as if strapped to a jet engine. Kirei took a moment to draw a Black Key and throw it, but Kiritsugu dodged it with ease, simultaneously reloading the Contender.

Something to keep in mind is that Kirei at base can process far faster than a bullet:

Kiritsugu fired. Kirei should have been able to predict the trajectory of the bullet from Kiritsugu’s killing intent and preparatory actions. As a humanoid Shura, an Executor of the Holy Church, the agility of Kirei’s mind far surpassed that of a bullet.

As well he can enhance his speed with Command Seals, that was equal to a Dead Apostle. (Hypersonic Vampires)

Kirei once again activated a Command Seal the moment he stepped toward Kiritsugu. He reinforced his physical abilities. Kirei accelerated his reaction time, multiplying the maximum power output of his right flexor, radius muscle, and pronator teres. There was no time to strengthen the sleeve of the bulletproof frock. The rest depended entirely upon his skill.

Kirei threw a right punch a moment before the Contender fired. His arm, having transformed into a lethal magecraft Mystic Code, carved a spiral through the air, and a tornado roared into being.

This movement became a spiral of force. Originally a defensive skill to nullify an opponent’s strike, the martial arts move was performed at a horrific speed after the prana of two Command Seals was infused into it.

The bullet left the barrel at a speed of 2500 inches per second, and was wrapped up in the spiral that moved at a divine speed. Even so, the .30-06 bullet still kept a straight path. It tore apart the Kevlar sleeve, clashing viciously with Kirei’s hardened arm, emitting alien sounds like the clash of two mill stones.

The scattering sparks seemed to distort the laws of physics; a supernatural phenomena where approximately 3000 pound-per-inch kinetic energy was forced to bend to the power of magecraft. A chill ran down Kiritsugu's spine as he watched the second Contender bullet's trajectory change. The bullet flew off at an angle, into the distance.

Monster. There were no other words to describe the man before him. At this moment, Kotomine Kirei’s current combat ability is equal to that of a Dead Apostle. Just what kind of willpower was required for a living man to drill his own body into such a terrifying lethal weapon?

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But what happens if his head is removed from his torso? I can do that to you via teleportation and immense strength but you cannot do it to me for the same reasons. I would actually be more reasonable on the strength point. Luther is strong. Very strong, but if he was to attempt any type of brutalization like that Jason could just teleport away out of his grip, OR, simply out power him. Causing Strode to rethink his killing method. Just an idea for a specific scenario like that.

When has he used any of those tactics in combat? Heck, It never even flat out confirmed he had teleportation. I'll agree with you that he does, I won't argue that. However, what you are suggesting he does requires a thought process I just don't believe Jason possesses. Now, Jason isn't dumb by any means.. but hes no Batman.

Yes. I mean teleporting to you from an unseen location with a machete attack. You aren't deflecting Jasons' weapon even if you do react somehow. Your limb is coming off in that moment.

With teleportation, I can get an attack in on any one of you. And each one of those attacks will be intent on death and devastating

I wouldn't say I'd have NO way of blocking. Kirei is completely capable of enhancing his black keys to completely no sell a mach 3-4+ .30-06 Springfield rifle shot. Yea, I know Jason hits a whole lot harder than a rifle bullet, but the Black Key's weren't even challenged by it.

The Black Keys that he gripped in both hands instantly expanded to more than twice their original size. The half-spiritual blades, which had been woven with magecraft to begin with, had extra prana forced into them. The forceful execution of this spell evidently surpassed the limit of the weapons themselves, but it was enough to handle the single bullet. Kirei crossed the six enormous swords before his chest, holding them in a fan-like formation. The immense destructive power of the .30-06 Springfield assault rifle bullet was neutralized in an instant.

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His eye? Or both?

Did he see the opponent before hand and know he was there to harm him. You've shown nothing that leads me to believe he can fight blinded or fight at 100% effectiveness against a chryo enhanced monstrous legendary killer with constant blood lust and nigh impenetrable armor. At least it was never shown to be damaged or destroyed in any manner.

That's oddly specific, he doesn't need to fight a blinded as Kirei moves far faster then Jason is capable of. No, that isn't really arguable in the slightest, even if you give him MK feats (Which is gameplay btw), he is still far faster. Even if you teleport and immediately swing, Jason is still far below FTE and doesn't accelerate at all. You are trying to employ tactics he doesn't use.

None of your ranged attacks are an issue here.

I have already conceded to the speed gap. His strike force is respectable but in all honesty, I personally don't see it being a difference maker.

Eh, if nothing more then a distraction, they've done their job.

I'm not sure why, signaling he can tank a grenade without much damage doesn't mean he can tank a grenade level punch with the same amount of damage. Kirei would be applying the entire kinetic force over a small surface area using his fist, unlike the grenades force being spread out over Jason's entire body. Kirei strikes hard enough to completely pulverize people, and at one point with a unamped slam, Kirei completely destroyed Zouken Matou's physchial body, leaving only half his head. The rest was just mush.

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Well for your sake...Let's hope you don't see Jason 1 on 1. Fighting him head on would consist of Kirei seeing him reappear and disappear until he teleports behind you with a machete thrust. You aren't simply blocking that or just tanking it. What happens if Kirei loses a limb or suffers a vital blow to his heart?

What happens if Jason X grabs his skull via Teleportation? Is Kirei going to swing on him in hopes to get him off? What's that going to do? It will be like punching an immovable wall.

Admittedly, If Jason grabs Kirei.. It's over. He doesn't have the level of strength required to break out of his grip. However, once again you have to TAG Kirei first. Jason simply doesn't have the speed with or without teleportation.

When did Jason ever use his Teleportation in an offensive manner?

Regular Jason has taken actual grenade launchers in close proximity and healed from its giant placed wound in a literal second.

I already addressed this, but I will say it again. Tanking a grenade /=/ you can tank a grenade level punch. Just like standing in the middle of a planet exploding doesn't mean you can tank a planet busting punch. You are applying the full force of it over a significantly smaller surface area, forcing you to take the entire kinetic energy in a single location instead of all the energy spread out.

I'm not saying Kirei is going to simply one shot Jason, he is going to work for it and it would honestly last longer than if he fought Liara.. but Kirei has every notable advantage.