CaV: Killua Zolydck (GilgameshThePimp) VS Tang San (Mass) - Mass wins via Forfeit

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Killua Zolydck, performed by @gilgameshthepimptoendallpimps

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Rules:

  • Composite of both
  • Tang's Teleporting, Intangibility, Shields, Telekinesis and Mind attacks are restricted
  • No Nen crushing
  • Tang can see Nen
  • Morals On
  • No prior knowledge
  • Win by any means except BFR
  • Standard gear
  • Standard CaV rules apply, vote for the better debater, not who you think wins
  • Any problems, questions or want to be tagged for voted, just ask

Location:

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@mass everything look good to you? Also you said you'd go first in the PM, so how long till i can expect a post?

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#5  Edited By Mass

@gilgameshthepimptoendallpimps: looks good, I'll get started soon

@seagod I think you are the only other person knowledgeable about Tang San so ill tag you for the voting

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T4V my dudes.

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Name: Tang San

Origin: Combat Continent, Soul Land

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Summary:

Tang San is the protagonist of the manhua, Douluo Dalu (aka Soul Land, aka Combat Continent). Tang San started led the hard life of an outlast but through sheer hard work, managed to join the legendary Tang Sect. There is learned the mysterious Tang Sect Arts but still he felt like an outsider. He stole the forbidden technique and as penatence for his crime against his beloved Sect, he killed himself. But that is not where Tang San's story ends, no it is only the beginning for he is soon reincarnated in a new world. Thanks to the Tang Sect teachings and techniques, he has retained all his worldly knowledge from his previous life. Determined to make this life a better life, Tang must journey and battle to become the the strongest on the Combat Continent.

Abilities:

Superhuman Characteristics, Speed, Enhanced Perception, Can see every detail in his field of vision, Mental Attacks, Barriers, Shadow Step, Intangibility, Temporary Invincibility, Telekinesis, Super Durable Hands, Hidden Weapons, Binding, Poison Manipulation, Plant Manipulation, Concealment, Invisibility, Death Manipulation, Plant Spears. Energy Hammer, Wide Area Stat Enhancement, Offense Ability Restriction, Teleportation

This will highlight the relevant abilities being used in this CAV but Tang has many more which can be found in his full character profile here:

http://animevice.boards.net/thread/12366/tang-san-character-profile

Tang Sect Techniques:

Purple Demon Eyes - an optical ability that allows Tang San to see every detail, even down the particles within his field of vision.

Dark Jade Hands (Mysterious Jade Hands) - Makes Tang San's hand extremely durable and completely immune to any poison.

Mysterious Heaven Skill - forms a shield that can block attacks.

Controlling Crane Catching Dragon - a form of telekinesis that Tang San uses to hold and throw his target.

Ghost Shadow Perplexing Track - Rapid and almost instant movements used for both offense and evasion.

Spirit Bones:

Eight-Legged Spider - an external spirit bone that comes out of Tang San's back. Each leg is coated with a powerful poison that can KO a target with a single touch. Tang San can absorb energy through the spider legs, completely draining his target in a matter moments.

Blue Silver Emperor Flying Spirit Bone - allows for high speed flight

Spirit Essence:

Blue Silver Emperor - What was original thought of as a useless River Grass Spirit Essence we later revealed be one the majestic Blue Silver Grass, an ancient and powerful plant spirit. Later Tang San's Blue Silver Grass evolves into the Blue Silver Emperor, the strongest plant spirit essence.

Bind - Within a 50m range, Tang San can freely control and spawn his Blue Silver Emperor anywhere he wants. He uses it to bind and traps his opponents but also for mobility like a grappling hook. The grass is covered in tiny thorns that bind and poison the target.

Parasite - Every time some of Tang San's spirit essence touches the target it leaves behind tiny seeds that will suddenly sprout and completely entangle the target.

Blue Silver Prison - a cage of Blue Silver Emperor instantly forms around target(s).

Clear Sky Hammer - Tang San's second spirit essence, the strongest tool type spirit essence in the world.

Disorder Split Wind - by rapidly swinging the Clear Sky Hammer around, Tang San creates a powerful field around himself that can block attacks.

Deathgod Domain - an area of effect of several hundred meters to kilometers around Tang San that boosts him and all his allies power.

Blue Silver Emperor Domain, Inspect - Tang San can detect the life force of everything within several hundred meters to kilometers away. Can also make Tang San invisible.

Destructive Feats:

Using Clear Sky Hammer, Tang San destroyed multiple large buildings with each swipe of his hammer. This was used to defeat a peak level Dou Lou:

Shatters a Dou Lou's barrier with one hit (after he got stronger):

Defeats 3,000 enemies by himself using his hidden weapons. Tang San did not want to kill them, so before each weapon was thrown he turned the blade so only the handle would hit the target:

Injures a level 73 Dou Saint when he was only a level 25 Dou Grandmaster (note the above feats are when Tang San was a level 60 Dou Lou, so Tang was able to injure someone vastly superior to him):

Kills hundreds of wolfman (each as strong as a level 30 Dou Grandmaster):

Defensive Feats:

Vast Sea Cosmic Shroud Ability - a pyramid forms around Tang San or his allies that can conceal their aura and make them invisible.

Survives a bite from the Nine Point Jade Snake which is kill an entire city with 1 drop of its poison. Consumed a fire and ice poison that will completely negate any other poison used against Tang San:

Tanks a combined attack from 500 spirit masters and a level 63 Dou Lou with ease:

Speed Feats:

Dashes miles away in seconds:

Weaves through a lightning attack (a much weaker version of Tang San):

How I plan to win:

Tang San's versatility is something Killua just can't handle. When the match starts Killua will immediately be engulfed in a sea of poisonous grass that binds him. In addition to that, Blue Silver Prison will immediately surround him, hit his pressure points and paralyze him. Even if Killua can handle the poison, he will still be trapped in a sea of grass that wraps and traps him. Tang could also use Controlling Crane to grab Killua while his other abilities secure him. From there Tang San can kill him in a number of ways:

- Weapon barrage with each weapon containing a deadly poison

- Clear Sky Hammer a strike or two should kill him

- Deathgod Slaughter Assault - If it can KO a level 63 Dou Lou, it can KO Killua

How I plan to defend against your attacks:

For starters Tang San has every advantage here. Some DC, Durability, Abilities and even Speed. Everything Killua throws at him can be dodged or tanked. Tang San has already weaved through multiple lightning attacks so dodging Killua's shouldn't present much of a challenge.

Overall:

Tang San holds superiority in stats, abilities and battle experience. Even in character, when he wants to kill someone he will get the job done. With his poisons, hidden weapons, binding abilities and Hammer strikes, I don't think Killua can survive.

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@mass: dang that was quick, i'll get my post up soon.

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@mass: i know we've already have a lot of restrictions on Tang and this may sound like an excuse, but is it possible we could restrict the telekinesis? Killua has no outs to it so it's a bit unfair for him, and you can still make a solid case for him winning without (as long as your ok without the TK if thats anyways).

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Hell yes. T4v.

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@gilgameshthepimptoendallpimps: That's fine by me, Killua is already going to have an extremely hard time just working around Tang's binding abilities.

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@mass: cheers, i'll edit the OP. I can get an opener out in a couple days, so expect it soon.

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Killua Zoldyck: Heir to the Assassin's Throne

"Assassination — It's the family trade. We all take it up. My folks see me as an exceptional prospect. But I don't see that I should have to live up to their expectations."
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Backstory:

Born into a family of incredibly powerful assassins, Killua Zolydck was trained from the moment he was born to become an extraordinary assassin worthy of the Zoldyck name. Whilst Killua was incredibly talented and considered a prodigy amongst his many siblings, he quickly grew bored of assassination and ran away from home in order to participate in the Hunter's Exam, desperate of a good challenge. This was where Killua found his soon to be best friend/life partner, Gon Freecs. Once Killua met Gon and started to hang out with him, he decided that wanted to prove to both himself and his family that he was capable of making meaningful connections in spite of his upbringing, and as thus set out on a journey to not only to help find Gon’s father Ging, but also to find something Killua would want to protect and care for.

Equipment/Assassination Techniques:

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By moving in a certain rhythm, Killua is able to create after illusions of himself

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These illusions can even move by themselves like a normal person for extra disorientation of the enemy.

Snake Awakens
Snake Awakens

Killua's arms turn into snake like whips that rip through people like butter.

Killua can turn his hands into razor sharp claws
Killua can turn his hands into razor sharp claws
Shadow Step
Shadow Step

Killua can move so quietly that not even those with superhuman hearing can't hear him.

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As far as equipment goes, Killua's only requires one thing to his name, which is a pair of 50 kg Yo-Yos made of a specialised alloy created by fellow family member Milluki Zolydck.

These Yo-yos can be used as both a long range weapon both offensively and defensively, as well as conductor for his electricity

1. Blowing chimera ants heads off

2. Defending against Shoots hands

3. Using them as electrical conductors against Sub

Nen:

Nen is, in simplistic terms, a power system in which the uses their own life energy in order to create supernatural powers. Whilst i won't be going over everything about Nen, i'll eave a detailed link here and go over what's important below

Gyo, to see other auras
Gyo, to see other auras
In, conceals Nen abilities
In, conceals Nen abilities
Zetsu, hiding ones presence
Zetsu, hiding ones presence
Ken, Ren, Ryu and Ko: applies nen aura in certain locations to increase offense/defense
Ken, Ren, Ryu and Ko: applies nen aura in certain locations to increase offense/defense
Shu, enhancing objects
Shu, enhancing objects

It's worth noting is that, whilst i'm using images from people beyond Killua, all nen users have these abilities as they are part of the fundamental training.

Hatsu, manifestation of one's personal aura
Hatsu, manifestation of one's personal aura

Hatsu is the main source of Killua's best abilities, and what makes him separate from other Nen users. As you can see, Killua is able to control Electricity, where he uses these abilities in order to produce various effects.

Killua can create electric based attacks such as Thunderbolt or Lightning Palm

Godspeed: Killua's trump card, which is made up of two sections.

Speed of Lightning - drastically increases speed (you can see shockwaves being produced as Killua covers 40 KM in an instant)
Speed of Lightning - drastically increases speed (you can see shockwaves being produced as Killua covers 40 KM in an instant)
Whirlwind - Killua's body automatically reacts to danger and acts accordingly
Whirlwind - Killua's body automatically reacts to danger and acts accordingly

It's worth noting that the dart in question only materializes until the it actually hits you, so you can see the crazy reaction speeds Whirlwind provides.

With this in mind, basically any speed advantage you may have, Godspeed can be used to counteract it, and any attack you throw at me can be reacted to and dealt with accordingly.

Stats:

Strength:

In terms of strength, Killua's no slouch.

He's causally pushed a 64 ton gate.

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He's also been able to visible hurt some of the strongest Chimera Ants, Shiapouf and Youpi.

Killua's oneshot KO Gon freecs, who's powered through getting his hands blown of before.
Killua's oneshot KO Gon freecs, who's powered through getting his hands blown of before.
Even his Yoyos can causally break through trees.
Even his Yoyos can causally break through trees.

But of course, Killua at his best when he's ripping through people like butter, his favorite method of murder.

As demonstrated here

Durability:

Despite what his body appears to be of a child, Killua taken some serious hits. For starters, his body is both completely unaffected by both poisons and 1 million volt blasts

These work as not only strength feats, but also speed considering the whip was FTE and Killua caught it pre-godspeed

In terms of traditional durability he's casually tanked this building sized explosion more pissed of than hurt.

And in regards of piercing resistance has been stabbed through multiple locations and continued fighting.

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Speed:

As befitting of his abilities, Killua is incredibly quick, i've already shown you some feats regarding the dart, but here's a bunch more.

Without godspeed he's blitzed over 1,000 people at once

FYI, whilst this did take an hour and a half, it's implied a large chunk of that time was spent collecting the tags after everyone was KO'd, not so much the fight itself
FYI, whilst this did take an hour and a half, it's implied a large chunk of that time was spent collecting the tags after everyone was KO'd, not so much the fight itself

Another feat he did without Godspeed was dodge a bullet from only 57cm away

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Killua's even been able to go FTE against Phantom Troupe members such as Phinks

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And of course to top it off, we can't forget Killua's (arguably) most famous feat, ripping Jones' still beating heart out in an instant without him realising until it's to late, all with the utmost of ease.

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With Speed of Lightning, Killua's traveled all the way from Meruem's palace all the way to where Gon fought Pitou in at most 5 or so minutes. Whilst the distance itself is never told, judging based on the complete change in scenery from deserted mountains to tree-abundant forests it was likely several towns worth of land being covered.

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And in terms of Killua with Whirlwind amps was able to keep way ahead of Youpi and Pouf, who was able to beat people (namely Shoot) who were able to beat Killua without Godspeed.

Also provides another explanation as to how Godspeed works, since it reacts to violent intentions.

Skill/Intelligence:

One quick thing to bring up is that Killua's incredibly sharp witted in battle, being able to come up with complex strategies and formulate a bunch of plans simultaneously mid-fight without any effort, as well as easily exploit any weaknesses or misconceptions an opponent may have.

He did this excellently to Sub
He did this excellently to Sub

Counters to Tang:

Part 1: Abilities

Purple Demon Eyes - an optical ability that allows Tang San to see every detail, even down the particles within his field of vision.

Considering i've made Tang be able to see Nen, I can't really see a use of this mid-fight beyond maybe In, at which point Tang is just wasting time.

Dark Jade Hands (Mysterious Jade Hands) - Makes Tang San's hand extremely durable and completely immune to any poison.

Doesn't protect the rest of your body from being ripped to shreds by Killua's claws, nor does the poison matter given my lack of poisonous attacks.

Mysterious Heaven Skill - forms a shield that can block attacks.

Disorder Split Wind - by rapidly swinging the Clear Sky Hammer around, Tang San creates a powerful field around himself that can block attacks.

It clearly requires wind-up time before these shields are activated, giving you no chance to use them when Killua rushes you up close, nor have you shown him attacking and using the shield at the same time.

Controlling Crane Catching Dragon - a form of telekinesis that Tang San uses to hold and throw his target.

Now that Telekinesis has been restricted, this power won't be allowed to be used. Not much else to say really.

Ghost Shadow Perplexing Track - Rapid and almost instant movements used for both offense and evasion.

This is basically just a poor man's Godspeed, and considering the fact Tang mentions the attack not working in the first scan you posted, i see no reason why Whirlwind's reaction times won't be enough to get by.

Eight-Legged Spider - an external spirit bone that comes out of Tang San's back. Each leg is coated with a powerful poison that can KO a target with a single touch.

Good thing Killua's immune to poison's huh?

Tang San can absorb energy through the spider legs, completely draining his target in a matter moments.

Note how it says spirit powers specifically 'spirit power', which is clearly supposed to be a type of power system which obviously Killua can't access, unless you can prove he'd have spirit power regardless.

Blue Silver Emperor Flying Spirit Bone - allows for high speed flight

Coolio, Killua's dealt with fliers like Shiapouf before, plus he has pretty good jumping abilities.

Bonus points for extra speed feats considering he made shockwaves.
Bonus points for extra speed feats considering he made shockwaves.

Bind - Within a 50m range, Tang San can freely control and spawn his Blue Silver Emperor anywhere he wants. He uses it to bind and traps his opponents but also for mobility like a grappling hook. The grass is covered in tiny thorns that bind and poison the target.

Parasite - Every time some of Tang San's spirit essence touches the target it leaves behind tiny seeds that will suddenly sprout and completely entangle the target.

Blue Silver Prison - a cage of Blue Silver Emperor instantly forms around target(s).

These aren't anything Killua's lightning attacks or even his Yo-Yos can't deal with in terms of AOE and general speed of attacks. And if they do somehow surround Killua he can simply blast it to pieces, or better yet just blitz past them give their lacking durability.

Parasite - Every time some of Tang San's spirit essence touches the target it leaves behind tiny seeds that will suddenly sprout and completely entangle the target.

Blue Silver Prison - a cage of Blue Silver Emperor instantly forms around target(s).

I repeat what i said earlier. You need to prove that Killua can't just rip right through all of these the moment he even tries to sprout these plants.

Deathgod Domain - an area of effect of several hundred meters to kilometers around Tang San that boosts him and all his allies power.

So a basic amp then? Not only has Killua dealt with these kind of abilities (hell, Enhancers like Gon's main attacks are enhanced punches), but without feats of the difference between amped and un-amped Tang, the difference this will make is hard to judge,.

Blue Silver Emperor Domain, Inspect - Tang San can detect the life force of everything within several hundred meters to kilometers away. Can also make Tang San invisible.

Since Killua and Tang are staring each other down from the start, the detection shouldn't be an issue. Also Killua can make nen invisible with In so that neutralizes the other point.

Part 2: Stats

Strength:

Using Clear Sky Hammer, Tang San destroyed multiple large buildings with each swipe of his hammer. This was used to defeat a peak level Dou Lou:

Not only does the Dou Lou comparison mean nothing to me without feats to say their worth anything in terms of durability, but remember the fact that Killua easily tanked a building level attack before in the form of the ant explosion, so it's very doubtful this'll leave him down in a single shot.

Shatters a Dou Lou's barrier with one hit (after he got stronger):

Without feats for the barrier, this honestly doesn't mean much of anything.

Defeats 3,000 enemies by himself using his hidden weapons. Tang San did not want to kill them, so before each weapon was thrown he turned the blade so only the handle would hit the target:

Not dissimilar to what Killua performed to another 1,000 people. Only what puts Killua above Tang in this case was that he did all of that fight with a casual smirk on his face, whilst it's clear Tang had to put at least a little bit more effort into that attack than Killua did.

Injures a level 73 Dou Saint when he was only a level 25 Dou Grandmaster (note the above feats are when Tang San was a level 60 Dou Lou, so Tang was able to injure someone vastly superior to him):

Killua's performed equally well against people with way higher stats than him, namely Youpi and Pouf, so it's not like he's performed something similar. Also those levels/status mean absolutely nothing to me as someone without content, what exactly is a level 63 compared to say a level 5, or a Dou Saint from a Dou Lou?

Kills hundreds of wolfman (each as strong as a level 30 Dou Grandmaster):

I repeat my statement above regarding differing levels of Dou's. Without a decent method of comparison these numbers honestly don't matter. Alo what i mentioned about group fights still applies.

Durability:

Vast Sea Cosmic Shroud Ability - a pyramid forms around Tang San or his allies that can conceal their aura and make them invisible.

It's pretty clear that this is based on Tang's 'spirit energy' and thus shouldn't correlate towards Nen given the different rules that it applies, so Killua can detect Tang through Gyo. Also Killua can also make his attacks invisible so that balances that out.

Survives a bite from the Nine Point Jade Snake which is kill an entire city with 1 drop of its poison. Consumed a fire and ice poison that will completely negate any other poison used against Tang San:

Good thing Killua doesn't use fire and ice, and is immune to poison then huh? So this'l be irrelevant, plain and simple.

Tanks a combined attack from 500 spirit masters and a level 63 Dou Lou with ease:

2 things to consider. The first is that i once again have to ask what all these numbers mean and the difference mean, else i'll just see them as mindless fodder. Secondly is that the main source of damage that Killua will be presenting is piercing damage, something that these guys clearly don't use, nor which you have shown any resistance to whatsoever, so their's no evidence to say the moment Killua lands a decent hit it's as good as game.

Speed:

Dashes miles away in seconds:

This isn't dissimilar to the feat of Killua chasing after Gon, hell if anything Killua's is superior thanks to the seemingly further distance he had to travel. Not to mention the lack of any substantial rooftops to jump over (cause it's pretty obvious that's what Tang is doing) will make Killua much superior when it comes to purely grounded combat.

Weaves through a lightning attack (a much weaker version of Tang San):

Beyond the obvious factor that this isn't normal lightning and as such shouldn't be treated as such, this is a feat Godspeed can easily perform for Killua, alongside any other attack you attempt to throw at me given how no Godspeed reacts to violent intentions, something Tang will be oozing with since he's in a fight.

Conclusion:

I believe Killua has a strong case for winning this. Godspeed makes it incredibly hard for Tang to land a solid hit, and even if he does, Killua has enough durability to tank a good number of hits, which combined with Tang's lack of piercing resistance and Killua's vastly superior skill will make it an easy win the moment he gets in close. Unless you can prove Tang has good piercing resistance and a counter to Godspeed then i stand by Killua's side.

TL;DR

  • Killua's way faster in combat, and comparable in travel speed
  • Tang's lack of piercing resistance allows for an easy win the moment Killua gets a hit in.
  • Killua can tank Tang's biggest hits
  • Godspeed can react and avoid any attack you throw at me
  • Killua has the means to intercept/tank all of the attacks
  • Your techniques will be either irrelevant, ineffective or Killua has the means to out them.

Your turn now.

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@mass: No, not yet, imma need a little bit more time. I can get it finished very soon, so apologies for the wait.

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@mass: I'm finished now, you may start. Also how many posts do you wanna do, 2 more each?

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#19  Edited By Mass

My rebuttal, in progress, please don't reply until I tag you:

First, allow me to give some reference:

To start, in the world of Soul Land, people have what are called Essence Spirits. Essence Spirits can be either tool or beast based. What is unique about an Essence Spirit is that it isn't just a random energy materialization, it is the real life object or animal being manifested. For example, Tang San was originally thought to have an Essence Spirit called River Grass. The River Grass Essence Spirit is the exact same thing as the wild natural River Grass found throughout the world. When someone puts their own spirit energy into their Essence Spirit, they are called a Spirit Master. By putting spirit energy into the essence spirit, a Spirit Master can perform a variety of different skills:

So in short, a Spirit Master is manipulating a real natural thing when they use their spirit skills.

Throughout my post I will be referring to different spirit levels. Like you said above, that is meaningless to someone who doesn't know the series. Here I will summarize what the spirit ranks are and give some examples of the DC seen with those ranks.

Here are some examples of the DC seen for the spirit ranks I reference later:

Between level 21-30, capable of throwing someone into the ground with enough force to make an explosion the size of a small building:

Between level 41-50, capable of making explosions large and strong enough to destroy large buildings and leave a crater in the ground:

Here is one of those same level 41-50 characters doing an even larger attack that dwarfs several buildings:

So in short, characters in the level 41-50 range can produce building to multi-large building level attacks. Tang San is at least level 68 (he got an upgrade recently but they haven't said his rank yet).

Speed:

You said that Tang San's lightning feats don't matter since its not natural lightning. Actually, abilities in Soul Land are all based off natural things. In the example above you see that Tang San's River Grass is the same River Grass that grows all over the continent. When you add Spirit Essence to the River Grass, you can manipulate you and create your Spirit Skills. So when you see lightning attacks being used, that's actually real lightning being manipulated with Spirit Essence to create a Spirit Skill.

Here, some characters channel lightning from the sky to attack Tang San. He weaves through the lightning and attacks channeling body (the blue orb you see), destroying it and dispersing the storm cloud:

Dodges and counters through another sky to ground lightning attack:

That puts Tang San's reaction and dodging speed in the MHS range, far faster than Killua.

Strength Feats:

Tang San hits a storm system hard enough to disperse the storm cloud. Note this was after taking several hits from level 91+ characters and without using Blackening that posts his power.

You've already seen him destroying city-blocks with his hammer using Disorder Splitting Wind.

Here a single strike of his hammer breaks a barrier from a level 66 character and creates a crater:

That same same character could block a level 67 spirit master's attack with the same barrier. The level 67 spirit master, turned into a giant octopus capable of destroying a house with a single tentacle swipe:

By combining the energy from 7 level 41-50 characters into one, Tang San can create a hammer strike large enough to engulf a Colosseum. The character he is fighting is a fusion of 3 level 50 characters. Considering how easily Tang San can beat level 40+ characters later on, its not too much to assume he can use this level of power normally at his current level (68).

Blows away a waterfall with Disorder Splitting Wind:

Enters a place where spirit abilities cannot be used and must rely on physical strength. Tang San knocks out a level 50 character in one casual blow.

Durability:

You say Killua has the means to harm Tang San. Allow me to show you some of his more impressive tanking/defending feats:

Tanks a strike from a level 86+ character (remember level 50+ characters are strong enough to make explosions larger than several buildings). Tang San took the strike on purpose, with no defense:

Tang San takes an attack from a 100,000 year old spirit beast which blasted a large pirate ship several hundred feet into the air and destroyed it:

Ship size for reference:

That same 100,000 spirit beast then unleashes a more serious attack which Tang San survives and immediately starts to self heal:

I've read HxH and I know a lot about Killua, he has no feats on par with that 100,000 spirit beast. If Tang can survive its attacks, he can survive Killua's (not that Killua will ever hit him, but you'll find that out later).

Gets shocked by ten thousand volts and doesn't keeps fighting:

Withstands a series of casual attacks from level 91+ characters. Note that it took several level 60+ characters to contain these casual attacks and Tang San withstood them on his own:

Piercing Durability:

Aside from Killua's electric attacks which Tang can easily block (see blocking durability below) or tank, Killua next best option is to try stabbing Tang with his nails. Unfortunately, Tang San has some impressive feats against being stabbed

Here two level 40+ characters fuse together to make an Ice Phoenix. Its armor is so strong that it cannot be broken under normal means. When the Ice Phoenix launched homing drill attacks at Tang San's team, he jumped on the Phoenix and took its drill attack himself in order to break the Phoenix's armor:

Here Tang San takes a direct stab from a level 97 character. A little background about this character. He is at least mountain level and is trying to test Tang San's group to see if one of them is worthy of marrying his niece. He is holding back but trying to force the group to give up. He is using enough force to kill them if they don't meet his expectations.

Next the same character unleashes a flurry of swords to stab and slash at the group. Tang San blocks those blows with his domains:

Blocking Durability

Jade Hands aren't meant to defend his body. In combination with Purple Demon Eyes, he can effortlessly block anything Killua throws at him with his hands. In the scans below you will see Tang deflecting blows from a level 83 character who uses piercing attacks while he is at level 68:

Mysterious Heavenly Skill can be activated at any time. Tang used it instantly to block 500 attacks at once:

Blocks lightning attacks that pack 10,000 volts:

Disorderly Splitting wind can be used to instantly create a barrier fast and strong enough to withstand several lightning attacks. Or used to block a waterfall:

Now lets say Killua attempts to use any weapons against Tang San:

Killua tries to throw weapons at him? Bad idea, this would happen:

Tang San is a true master at hidden weapons. Throwing any weapon at Tang would just get it caught and thrown back at Killua. Heck, Tang can even intercept weapons deployed at point blank:

Binding:

One of traits that makes Tang San such an effective fighter are his binding abilities.

You've already seen that anything that comes within 50m can be easily bound by Blue Emperor Grass as it becomes a virtual sea of poisonous grass:

But that's not where his binding abilities end. He has another ability called Parasite, that allows him to remotely bind and poison any target his Blue Silver Grass has touched:

But wait, there more! Perhaps the best binding skill Tang San has, Blue Silver Prison will instantly create a cage around his opponent(s) and poison them:

The Prison can also be used to hit acupuncture points and paralyze the opponent (note that Tang was already extremely low on Spirit Energy from a battle before so this exhausted him, he later spams it with no issue):

As Tang San has gotten stronger, so to has the cage, it withstood the Quick Frost Drill which was strong enough to break the Ice Phoenix's armor (see above in Piercing Durability) and even trap a level 65 character.

In the last scan above you will see that Tang can use multiple binding abilities at the same time, Prision, Entangle and Web.

Killua stands no chance at getting close to Tang San with these abilities. The moment he comes within 50m, he gets bound in a sea of poisonous grass, trapped in the cage prison and entangled.

Poison:

Now you said that Killua is immune to poison. I ask you to prove that, because I know, Killua has never encountered a poison as strong as Tang San's.

For starters, Tang San can use the poison from Nine Point Snake from which a single drop out massacre an entire city:

Poisons so strong that they can complete corrode 300 bodies in seconds. Please note that these are not fodder, they are all at least level 40 which if you reference the sections above you will see are capable to building level attacks:

And finally, the king of all poison's Yama's Invitation. A poison so powerful, even Tang San, who is legit nigh-immune to all poison could have died if he miss used it. It has potency greater than the Nine Point Snake and could kill a level 90+ character (they are mountain level). The moment this poison touches your aura, your fate is sealed. The poison will melt Killua so there is nothing left:

So yeah, unless Killua has feats resisting that level of poison, his so-called poison immunity isn't going to save him here.

Hidden Weapons:

Tang San likes to use a number of hidden weapons to defeat his opponents. Using his hidden weapons, Tang San has challenge characters far stronger then himself:

When Tang San was only level 26 he was able to injure and break the guard on a level 71-80 character:

Tang San releases a barrage of hundreds of weapons at once. The barrage is fast enough to KO (he turned each weapon around so only the handle hit his target instead of the blade) 3,000 enemies. He was also using this as a training opportunity to show his newest recruit some of Tang Sect's techniques:

Kills 300 level 40+ wolfman bandits:

In Conclusion:

Tang San has greater speed, durability, blocking capabilities, and striking feats then Killua. In addition to his binding abilities, poisons and hidden weapons, he beats Killua.

If Killua is stand a chance you need to show:

- He can keep up with Tang San's speed

- Find a way around Tang San's wide variety of binding techniques

- Show that Killua's poison resistance is greater than Tang San's poison potency

- Show that Killua can withstand Tang San's hidden weapons, hammer strikes and Deathgod Domain

- Show are Killua can get past Tang San's blocking abilities and durability

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@mass: cool, i might be a while, but i'll get it up as soon as i can.

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@mass: just gonna bump this to say that I haven’t forgotten about this, just wanna catch up with all my other cavs first, sincerest apologies.

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@mass: Just reading this opener now (told you I hadn't forgotten about this), and tbh I can't see Killua winning this, he can't deal with MHS Multi-Building when Killua's only hypersonic at best, and with all of other tricks Tang has, I don't think I can make a convincing argument, so sadly I think I'm gonna have to forfeit this match.

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