CaV: Invel Yura (Molt) vs Obito Uchiha (Gogito)

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Represented by yours truly, Molt

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Represented by yours truly, @gogito

Rules

  • Random encounter
  • Manga/canon feats only
  • Energies are not equalized
  • White Mask Obito without the Tailed Beasts is the form debated here
  • This is a CaV, vote for the one who made the better arguments, not which character you think wins
  • Votes that do not have their reasons or are bias will not be accepted
  • Please don't derail the topic with mini-conversations
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First post after the OP.

T4V and taep I guess

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a interesting matchup cant wait to see the posts from both sides TAEP

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CV is broken, I never got a notif until someone actually told me the CaV started.

Anyways Molt is going first

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Bio

Invel Yura (インベル・ユラ Inberu Yura) is a former member of the Alvarez Empire and a former member the Spriggan 12, the protection guard of Emperor Spriggan as well as the former Emperor's chief of staff and consul.

Introduction

Originally the CAV was meant to be Akatsuki vs Spriggan 12, but I don't do multi-character debates so we decided for Invel vs Obito. My opponent genuinely believes Obito (the form here) is capable of soloing the Spriggan 12 singlehandedly, and as outrageous as that sounds and he's entitled to his opinion in the end, I beg to differ as I view Invel is one of the worst matchups for the masked man here for one very fundamental reason: Obito has zero freezing resistance feats.

Building on that premise he's a 1-shot material for Invel. Nothing you have can dispute this assertion, as there is not a single circumstance where Obito actually fought an ice user and resisted freezing. Hell, the entire Naruto manga only had 2 ice users: Haku and Kaguya from what I recall (not counting anime/movie fillers), and neither of them deal with freezing nor do they have potent freezing feats on the magnitudes I'll establish for Invel.

Magic

Invel is a mage who specializes in ice magic, as you should realize by now, and he has insane AoE and potency/temperature feats which Obito has total absence of feats against.

He scales above Silver Fullbuster on the virtue of being a Spriggan member, while Silver was a Tartartos member (Spriggan 12 >>> Tartaros guild). During the events of the 1st time-skip, Silver froze the Sun Village with his magic:

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The AoE can speak for itself; the mountain range, the town and its inhabitants (whom are giants) across the observable horizon have all been frozen. However, AoE is not the sole aspect I find intriguing but rather the insane energy it takes to do such thing. Let's read what Warrod said to understand the context:

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We know two things:

  1. Sun Village is located somewhere in the desert
  2. The village has been frozen for ''while''. It's true no time-frame was given, but from way it's worded we can assume it could have been days weeks or even months.

Silver's ice was so strong that it did not melt while exposed to direct sunlight and harsh desert conditions for a very long time, which speaks magnitudes of how cold the ice must have been. Just to give you perspective: Dry ice reaches temperatures of -109F°/-78C° and sublimates in 24h even when stored in a cooler (link). Silver's ice massively surpasses dry ice and Invel is even above him. That's PRETTY cold.

And this level of potency is consistent with Invel, as his presence and passive power alone made Gray completely shiver from coldness:

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Gray is an ice mage himself who inherently has high resistance to cold and lived his whole childhood in winter. What's even more impressive is, pre-time skip Gray after acquiring his father's power casually froze tornadoes [1] [2]. Air is made of numerous gases such as nitrogen, oxygen, argon, carbon dioxide, neon, helium, krypton, hydrogen, and xenon. I'm not gonna go over the freezing points of each gas, so I'll take the first two: nitrogen and oxygen. Nitrogen has a freezing point of -210C° and oxygen has freezing point of -218C°. Meaning pre-time skip Gray's ice already reaches these temperatures and Invel's presence made a stronger version of him shiver, not to mention he was giving him frostbites.

His best feat is arguably freezing Natsu and his flames:

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Freezing Natsu's hot flames is monstrous as it is, as Natsu's passive heat melted a multi-million ton coliseum constructed from solid rock and metal designed for superhuman mage battles.

That should be enough to establish how potent/cold his ice is. Now I wanna focus on how he applies it in combat.

Invel's first in-character move is always flash-freezing his opponent, as we saw he instantly did it with Natsu, Lucy and Juvia. While he could not freeze Gray into brittles (as Gray has high-freezing resistance due to being an ice mage himself), he injured him by giving him a frostbite.

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What's even more dangerous is Obito cannot dream of touching Invel, not only for the fact Obito would get flash frozen standing in his presence due to his non-existent freezing resistance (as were Natsu, Lucy, Juvia), but Invel can activate his ice armor that freezes anything it touches, as we saw Gray's arm was being frozen:

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This is how dangerous Invel's power-set is. In a random confrontation where neither opponents have knowledge on each other and it's IC for Invel to immediately flash freeze, why wouldn't he 1-shot Obito who cannot resist being frozen to brittles?

Flash freeze speed

I feel like this deserves its own section and will be a big part of the debate. Not only Obito has 0 freezing resistance, but I have trouble seeing how he can react to its speed as well.

Let's go back to the instance where he flash froze Natsu, Lucy and Juvia:

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Flash freezing Natsu before he can process a though in itself is a speed feat better than anything you can give for Obito. Prior to Natsu confronting Invel, he tagged and stomped Bluenote. During the events of Tenrou Arc, Bluenotr was fast enough to react to Fairy Glitter, which is relativistic at minimum as Fairy Glitter is a light spell that is created from the light of sun, stars and moon which makes it natural light and thus move at LS. This puts Invel's flash freeze at relativistic+, which is above Obito's perceptions.

Invel's own speed scales to his flash freeze, as he needs to have precise control over his abilities.

Strength & Durability

Now I'll admit that Invel doesn't exactly have abundance of strength feats to work with, but even the few that he has and scaling is still better than anything you can give for Obito, as FT is generally and on average superior in physicals to Naruto.

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He's strong enough to stop Gray's ice + physical attack with 1-arm, which is impressive as Gray can physically match Natsu blow to blow, and Natsu has strength feats like lifting 100+ ton rock in pre-time skip and crushed a small mountain by smacking a fodder to it.

Other Spriggan members like Dimeria and Larcade have been shown to match and overpower Kagura in H2H. For example: Dimeria can slash blades with Kagura and Larcade can stop Kagura's attack with 2 fingers. This is impressive because Kagura has been shown to lift an entire hill with the shockwave (10,000+ tons lifting feat) and in pre-time skip cut through multi-city blocks with the air pressure:

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His durability scales to his strength since he tanked dozens of hits from Gray.

Summary

Invel wins this matchup because:

  1. His freezing potency is very close to absolute 0 and AoE in the island levels. As pointed out clearly, Obito does not have freezing resistance feats so he will be frozen to brittles in a 1-shot.
  2. Invel's flash freeze is speed faster than Obito's perceptions, so he can't activate Kamui in time.
  3. CQC is suicide against Invel as Obito cannot touch Invel nor could he even stand in his presence.
  4. Obito's Fire Style is legit fodder as Invel froze Natsu's flames.
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@molt said:

My opponent genuinely believes Obito (the form here) is capable of soloing the Spriggan 12 singlehandedly
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Obito Uchiha

Ah here we go Molt. Notice how you started your CaV by stating something irrelevant, further mocking my opinion, and you had one guy meme about me already about my opinion. And actually you stated far more horrendous things throughout CV than me.

So your main premise of this debate is Invel flash freezing Obito before he could do anything to counter it yes. Alr, looks like you didn’t consider any of Obito’s speed feats and reaction speeds, So I will go over it and prove you why Invel is pure fodder to the likes of Obito just like the rest of the spriggans are.

Also Obito doesn’t need freeze resistance to begin with

Abilities

Rinnegan: Obito can use the six paths abilities, similar to how every Rinnegan user can use. Before you say “Well he never used any so it doesn’t count” he actually did use them. He used Preta Path before on Kakashi who's cloak Kurama chakra disappears upon contact with Obitol. It was also stated that he could use Pains abilities (6 paths abilities) but he didn't cuz he was fighting a team who already has experienced the paths already, so the team would swiftly be able to counter it ( 123 )

Soul rip: Obito can steal souls by making contact with the opponent. So just like how you said touching Invel is an auto-win, the same rule would apply to Obito as well, Invel would get his soul ripped off from Obito if he ever gets close. Inb4 “happy resist soul rip from Franmatlh so its useless” A fodder character like Franmalth won’t even come close to the likes of power to Obito’s, especially Rinnegan Obito’s. Soul rip from naraka path scales above that fodder soul stealing used by Franmalth uses to primarily only take abilities. Soul rip worked on Natsu in 100YQ and Larcades soul pulling abilities were also working on others in Alavarez arc. Obito was about to use Soul rip Against Yamato. Further implying that Obito can use the Rinnegan abiltiesAlmighty push: With this Ability Obito is able to generate monstrous force to push anything out of his away. This Obito scales above Nagato by statements and simple logic. And Pain who scales way below Nagato was able to Destroy the whole Konoha village and the AP of that Attack was calced at bare minimum Island level 2 times (1 and 2). Obito’s Shinra tenesi>>>>Pain’s Shinra tensei which is at bare minimum Island level. Even if somehow Obito was caught by flash freeze, Idk what’s stopping him from casually destroying the Ice with Large Island level AP Shinra Tensei.

Universal Pull: Also an ability that a Rinnegan user can use. It allows Obito to pull his opponent towards him with extreme gravitational force. This would be useful in this for Obito because he doesn’t need to be close range to do it, Obito would just pull Invel towards him and One shot with Kamui or Shinra Tensei that far exceeds Island level. You haven’t provided anything about Invel that can tank Island level attacks let alone far above it. Or Obito can just summon his Shurikens while he is pulling Invel towards him and GG. I’ll go over the AP of those Shurikens as we go on.

Chakra chains: Negs a persons jutsus and suppresses them (especially Bijuus and are really durable) can be used to bind the opponent. Sadly Invel doesn’t have the same level as physicals as the Bijuus so he gets chained if anything

Chakra rods: Obito generates rods in various sizes and shape, that if stabbed, Obito will gain some control over you and if your weakened enough, Obito might make you a path of pain. Obito can also you the Chakra chains on top of Chakra rods to weaken the opponents control

Whack A Mole jutsu: Obito uses this earth style justu to go anywhere he wants underground and go for a surprise attack. This will be very useful since he can actually catch Invel off guard pretty easily without much difficulty. And then one shot him.

Sharingan precog: Allows Obito to see moves in an advance way and can see it before coming. This would be hella useful since in this battle he can see Invel's flash freeze coming at him beforehand. And has a better chance of avoiding it by using Kamui and being intangible or Whack A Mole jutsu.

Sharingan Genjutsu: What Molt failed to realise is that Obito's Sharingan is still a threat to Any FT character there is. In fact even just his Base 3 tomoe Sharingan is deadly enough. At 14 year old he was able to control Beast like Kurama who has monstrous strength and enormous chakra reserves yet Kid Obito was casually able to control Kurama like he is his minion. It's also impressive that Obito was able to control that much amount of Chakra (Kurama) in such a small age. If you wanna control someone, you also have to control there chakra as well, otherwise you can't control them to use their Jutsus that require chakra to use, So Kid Obito controlling Kurama who has massive Chakra reserves whilst fighting Minato at the same time and using Kamui several lots as well. This further goes to show you how OP an inexperienced Kid Obito was. So an experienced Adult Obito who has been using his Sharingan for a decade and a half, There is no doubt that Obito would also be able to Control someone weaker which is Invel the same way he did with Kurama but this time with much ease.

Woodstyle: Obito is able to generate blades and spikes using Woodstyle and can even make a giant tree with spikes. He can grab and restrain people with it as seen with Naruto and KakashiUchiha flame formation: A technique allowing Obito to create a barrier so strong that only a super charged TBB from BM Naruto and Gyuki form Bee was required to bust it (and arguably Juubi might have busted it making its durability higher) and the barrier will trap anything in it with Obito able to cast the barrier from the outside and if inside he can just warp away outside. The barrier additionally has extremely hot flames that can burn opponents that try to touch it as Bee in 8 tails form who tanked Lava (weaker lava can melt metal on contact) was burnt by the barrier (the flames kinda last a while for a few seconds too if touched).

Fire Style: Now I know Molt as said stuff like "Obito's fire is FODDER!!"

But honestly, it's not as fodder as People like Molt actually think.

If we go back to the Boro fight, We see Boro use Lava style and just small sparks of Lava were literally able to melt stainless steel almost instantly. And we know that shurikens are made out of Stainless steel.Stainless steel starts to melt at 1510 ℃ (2750 ℉) meanwhile common lava in our world (reality) reaches 600-1400 °C. Meaning Lava style>>Lava in Earth

Not only that but the amount of Lava that was used to actually melt the Shurikens that are made out of stainless steel is so tiny that it barely even covered the Shurikens.

One more think to note is that Those Shurikens melted almost instanteously once it made contact with Lava style. And it normally takes hours to actually melt stainless steel So Boro melting Stainless steel Shurikens instantly with just a spark is something that can't be held lightly.

Sadara (Not even full Uchiha blood and a way inferior fire Style user than Obito) was able to match Boro's Lava style. It's not any spark of Lava, it's a decent amount of Lava style that Sadara matched with just her Fireball jutsu. Meaning Sadara's Fire style has matched that amount of Heat as Lava style. So someone like Obito who is astronomically superior in Chakra and experience in Fire Style than Sadara can surely generate way more heat and AoE than Sadara. And we've seen Obito create massive Tornado flames in the war.

Kamui: Shurikens: Obito is able to Summon Massive super speed Shurikens from Kamui Dimension. And it's strong enough to actually pierce Gyuki's tails. The same Gyuki that was able to tank Bijuu Dama's from a Kurama. And Bijuu Dama's from Weaker Bijuus can easily reach up to island levels of DC. So the AP Behind those Shurikens that Obito summons can easily One shot and slice Invel to pieces. Invel's durability is already trash and his piercing Durability is prolly far worse lmao.

Kamui: The main Big dog of this battle. If I were to be honest here, I didn't need to list down all of these abilities from Obito. This ability itself is more than enough to one shot Invel. Obito can legit Kamui Invel before he can even react. Obito was able to Kamui himself so fast that Not even KCM Naruto who scales above Raikage (Stated to be light speed) was able to tag him despite being meters away.

I'll address why Invel won't be able to react Kamui later on

Intangibility: With this technique, Obito is basically untouchable, and he can literally become Intangible before and after he is flash freezed. Even though Obito can easily react before getting freezed, There is no reason he can't turn on Intangibility even after he is frozen. But he won't be frozen in the first place. Combine this ability+Kamui and this is why Obito easily wins. I'll explain more the intangibility speed at speed section

Speed

Aright so this section is the most important part if I want to actually debunk and disprove Molt's premise, and that is Invel flash freezing Obito before he could react. And you actually failed to realize how much Obito outclasses Invel in reaction speed. And Reaction speed is all what Obito needs to activate intangibility. So I will prove you guys why Obito's reaction speed is far superior than Invel's Flash freeze.

When Obito was a kid (scales way beneath this Obito in reaction speed) he was reacting to Minato who is literally the fastest Non God tier character in the Naruto series. Raikage stated that Minato was the fastest Shinobi ever lived after getting his ass blitzed by Minato. And Obito was able to react to Minato no problem, as he was able to catch Minato's hand after Minato strikes Obito's face with a Kunai. The speed of Kid Obito's turning off and on Intangibility rivals Minato's speed who is God Tier in terms of speed in the Naruto verse.

So to show how fast Minato really is. He casually Blitzed Ay who was stated to be light speed. And Minato was able to flick a Kunai when Raikages fist was pixels away from Minato. Further showing us that Minato's movement speed is casually faster than light. And Kid Obito who is inferior to this Obito reacted to Minato's movement speed and Attack speed.

Also another thing that's impressive is that Obito was able to combat both KCM Naruto, 6th Gate Guy and Sharingan Kakashi, all while not even getting touched. The same KCM to Naruto that also blitzed Raikage who is light speed, and Obito literally matching all 3 of them simultaneously. Making Obito's reaction speed faster than light speed. Since he was reacting to KCM Naruto numerous times

Obito's Reaction speed scales far above Muu's, and Muu was able to reacted to Mabui's lightspeed transportation. Meaning Obito would easily scale above light speed users.

Obito was able to react to Sasuke's blitz as well as Raikages blitz without having the Rinnegan which should grant you an enormous amp in stats.

Obito would also scale massively above Darui who can shoot light rays with his laster beam circus. Raikage scales above Darui in speed which Obito easily reacted by putting on intangitbility

Obito was fast enough to teleport away before KCM1 Naruto was able to touch him, the same KCM Naruto that blitzed Raikage who is again stated to be light speed or scales above characters that are also stated to be light speed.

Haku was stated to be light speed in the databooks and also was implied in the anime as well. That Haku was moving mirror to mirror at light speed. It should be clear that Haku is moving in light speed cuz it's basically light reflecting from mirrors.

And I hope Molt knows that Obito scales above Haku as well🗿.

With all the feats given, it's very consistent for Obito to have Reaction speed that is way faster than light, since I gave multiple examples of Obito reacting to people that are faster than light. And all the guys I mentioned in the speed section scales above Haku who is light speed, and I explained why she is light speed. And thus Obito would not have any problem reacting to flash freeze, and can put up Kamui flash freeze. Also his Sharingan would give him some sort of precog so he would also be warned about it as well.

Whereas it's not even consistent for FT characters to have light speed reaction speed, and I'll address it in the counters.

Physical Strength/Durability

Ik this section is partly useless so I'll be really short here. And yes Obito does scale way above Invel in physicals as well

-Obito as kid (Way weaker than this Obito in physicals) was able to destroy a massive boulder with a single punch. This physical AP feat is above anything Invel did.

- Obito was able to hurt KCM Naruto with a headbutt and literally match him in strength. The same KCM Naruto that scales above Pain who scales above the rest off the Akatsuki by a huge Margin (Minus Itachi) who scales above the Bijuus. Since thats literally their job to do so, hunt Bijuu's down. And Bijuu's itself are casually mountain level since their physicals scale above their own size.

- A weaker Naruto casually overpowered Pains shinra tensei and sent him flying dozens of meters

-Obito was able to hurt Naruto hard enough to actually state that "He is so strong" Meaning Obito's physicals should indeed match KCM Naruto's if not higher

- No sold a Rasengan from KCM Naruto in his arm and barely did anything to him.Whereas a far weaker Naruto's rasengan was able to kill Pain who's durability should scale above Bijuu's and send him far away, crashing to dozens of rocks

Obito's Durability should scale to his Physicals and AP, since he can't output force that his Body can't survive

Counters

I'll Counter your Dry ice and Silver ice arguments

Your examples are pretty faulty here. Dry Ice melts in a cooler only because the cooler is warmer than the ice. Coolers are typically at 0 Fahrenheit which is roughly 255 Kelvin, dry ice is 194 Kelvin. Putting something colder in a warmer area will inevitably cause the dry ice to melt. Even if I made the freezer 193.999999 Kelvin the dry ice will still melt eventually but at far slower rate. To preserve the dry ice longer you need to maintain the same temperature which technically speaking is always impossible but close enough to its temperature will allow it to be preserved longer. So the analogy used for Silvers ice is faulty. While Silver's ice should be colder than dry ice we don't know by how much. Freezing tornados is impossible in physics, yes the elements mentioned have freezing points but freezing a tornado is completely impossible. Thus this feat is also no quantifiable. The only thing you can freeze in tornados would be the water droplets, dust and dirt in them. We have 0 evidence Gray froze the other gases and again a tornado is impossible to freeze. You can stop Tornados by making it so cold that the enthalpy of motion stops (not like on AZ level but just genrally) but even then the tornado would dissipate with any solid surfaces falling.

So Invel is still a long way from being close to absolute zero, we have 0 way to scale him to that temperature without asserting head canon. Even saying said gases were frozen that's still a long way from AZ (this temperature literally stops all enthalpy and movement, literally nothing can happen at this temperature and it's impossible to achieve unless all movement in the whole universe was to stop, however some fictional verses have AZ that isn't scientifically accurate for the reason above but its assumed the AZ can ignore enthalpy in fiction).

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This is how dangerous Invel's power-set is. In a random confrontation where neither opponents have knowledge on each other and it's IC for Invel to immediately flash freeze, why wouldn't he 1-shot Obito who cannot resist being frozen to brittles?

Its also in character for Obito to bfr his opponents and become Intangible instantly before his opponents hit him. And I explained why Obito should have the speed to react to Invel's flash speed since his reaction speed scales way above light speed, so he can turn on intangibility before Invel flash freezes him or can turn Intangibility even after being frozen since being frozen to the point that you can't move doesn't instantly kill you. So again, none of Invel's abilities would even work on Obito. Or obito can simply use Shinra tensei to break the ice out of him, and I explained why Obito didn't use the Rinnegan abilities at the beginning of the abilities section. And don't even think of Outlasting. Dude was fighting for hours in the war and was spamming abilities left and right.

Also I don't see why Obito can't actually burn Invel's ice, since Obito's fire style should scale way above Sadara's in both AoE and heat. The same Sadara who matched Boro's Lava style in heat. The same Boro's lava sparks who aren't even the size of a Shuriken instantly melted Stainless steel. Whereas it takes hours to actually deform stainless steel at 2450℉ (300° inferior than stainless steel melting point, that is 2750°)

Invel's first in-character move is always flash-freezing his opponent, as we saw he instantly did it with Natsu, Lucy and Juvia. While he could not freeze Gray into brittles (as Gray has high-freezing resistance due to being an ice mage himself), he injured him by giving him a frostbite.

Injuring KCM Naruto>>>Injuring Base fatigued Gray who used lots of spells when fighting the alvarez military and has encountered God Serena before. So its not like this was an even fresh Base gray to start with since your scan already has Gray covered in scratch marks

What's even more dangerous is Obito cannot dream of touching Invel, not only for the fact Obito would get flash frozen standing in his presence due to his non-existent freezing resistance (as were Natsu, Lucy, Juvia), but Invel can activate his ice armor that freezes anything it touches, as we saw Gray's arm was being frozen:

Why would Obito need to touch him? and no he won't get flash freezed by his presence cuz Obito can react to him and put Intangbility before he gets flashed freezed. Or he can just use Shinra tensei after he getting frozen

The same can be said about Obito as well, Since he can just soul rip Invel as well, and with his superior speed, I doubt Invel would even track Obito's movement. So he can soul rip Invel before he even recognizes or realized that he has been soul ripped

Flash freezing Natsu before he can process a though in itself is a speed feat better than anything you can give for Obito. Prior to Natsu confronting Invel, he tagged and stomped Bluenote. During the events of Tenrou Arc, Bluenotr was fast enough to react to Fairy Glitter, which is relativistic at minimum as Fairy Glitter is a light spell that is created from the light of sun, stars and moon which makes it natural light and thus move at LS. This puts Invel's flash freeze at relativistic+, which is above Obito's perceptions.

Invel's own speed scales to his flash freeze, as he needs to have precise control over his abilities.

Firstly Bluenote himself states the attack was trash, mocking the fact that Cana couldn't even draw near to the full power of Fairy Glitter because Cana herself was trash at using it. He even states "That was fairy glitter?' which implies that from the knowledge he has on the spell he expected far more. If you want more confirmation then even Cana herself says she wasn't good enough to use it.

Cana only uses Fairy Glitter to its complete level during the Grand Magic Games and after. Even Mavis who knew about Cana's first time using Fairy Glitter doesn't state that Cana used it perfectly before, she instead says that she can use it in reference to the current moment. So Yes Cana's spell was still incomplete

Secondly, if you pay attention, Bluenote actually crushed the Fairy glitter spell AFTER he got hit by it. So I really don't know where your getting, "He reacted to it"

Even assuming that he reacted to it (He actually didn't and nor the spell was even close to light speed cuz Cana herself admitted that she couldn't use it to its maximum power output and Bluenote even questioned it) its a massive outlier cuz later speed feats of Fairy Tail comes nowhere near close light speed

He's strong enough to stop Gray's ice + physical attack with 1-arm

More like Invel was resistant to it, and later we actually see Invel get beat the shit out of Enraged Gray's bare hands it self. And Gray's Devil Slayer Magic should scale way above his physicals

This is impressive because Kagura has been shown to lift an entire hill with the shockwave (10,000+ tons lifting feat) and in pre-time skip cut through multi-city blocks with the air pressure:

Umm thats not a lifting feat buddy, its an AP slicing feat. Also proof Invel's physical AP scales to Dimaria's and Invel doesn't come close to Larcade.

Not that this matters cuz Obito's physicals actually scales way above this anyways

Conclusion

  • As you can see I debunked Molt's main premise that being Invel Flash freezing before Obito could react. Which is false
  • I debunked Molt's Fairy Glitter speed
  • I showed that even if Obito somehow was flashed freezed (He would never be) he can easily escape it by being intangible or using Shinra tensei
  • I proved why Obito's fire isn't fodder at all
  • I also proved Why Obito's physicals scales way above Invels and that he can one shot him multiple ways

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Good post both of you

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That was fast!! I'll have my post ready in about 2 weeks time

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@molt said:

That was fast!! I'll have my post ready in about 2 weeks time

No worries, take your time mate. I will also be pretty busy in the next couple of weeks, I'll mostly be inactive in CV.

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