Today we have a match between myself and my Old friend DarthjHawk; We've spent a long time trying to find a match and due to the current situation we finally managed to, please enjoy:
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In Character, but Serious
Fight to K.O., Death or Incap.
Random Encounter
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Composite Ichigo
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Well... it's been quite a while since I've touched a post, let alone CV as a whole. Regardless I'm excited to be back and to have this discussion with you. As such, I'll be trying a few new things with this discourse. Wasting no time, I'll start by establishing that I'll be treating the two characters in this discussion as pure equals rather than deliberating on Ichigo's stats, list of skills, abilities, placements... at least for now in the expected sense. Instead, this post will have a stronger focus on the intangible reasons why I feel Ichigo takes this battle, some would say he even dominates it.
The most apparent reason is something I feel boils down to one word. Physicality. Now I recognize that sounds odd after I just said that I would avoid listing all the stat placements and whatnot. But if we take time to appreciate the full meaning of physicality we can come to understand that what I mean in full is Ichigo's pure presence in this fight. While Tatsumaki technically doesn't abide by range due to the versatility of her psychic powers, in a way she fights similarly to one of Ichigo's first major opponents; Byakuya Kuchiki:
Chapter 161
As you can see, Byakuya can fight from all ranges indiscriminately, offensively, and defensively by telekinetically controlling over millions of blades. He can even double the speed by controlling his blades directly with his hands. (Ch. 163). While this all well and good, I do recognize that countering Sebonzakura is not a 1:1 with Tatsumaki's Esper abilities. As they are far more open with her application of pure telekinesis. However, what we both can acknowledge are the fundamental fighting styles and their interplay. Especially since we know that in some capacity physical and even overall power can negatively affect Tatsumaki's ability to manipulate her target. So, Ichigo's own power combined with his natural high octane, pressure inducing combat style will keep the pressure on, constantly testing her barrier, and keeping her from being able to focus her abilities on him:
Chapter 163
And yes this is quite consistent throughout the series for Ichigo do. Against range-irrelevant type opponents equal to him like Byakuya above, or opponents his greater such as his second fight with Grimmjow Jaegerjaques:
Unveiling his recently acquired control over Hollowfication; Ichigo uses a combination of his speed, strength, and Getsuga to pressure Grimmjow; (an opponent who demolished him in their previous encounter) and grievously injure him.
We first see him use his speed in an attempt to blitz Grimmjow, who barely reacts, while at the same time charging his blade with Getsuga
Maintaining blade lock, Ichigo releases the explosion of Getsuga, bypassing the initial crescent shape on release, thereby negating Grimmjow's reaction time.
As the smoke clears, Ichigo sends a casual Getsuga which overpowers Grimmjow still, and while he is pressured by that...
Ichigo uses his speed to get behind him and then launch another blast at point-blank range.
But this is only one half of why I feel he has the advantage over Tatsumaki in this battle. The other half pertains to Ichigo's keen awareness and ability to instantly adapt to the versatility of his opponents and the opportunities, counters, and strategies the interplay affords:
Unfortunately compared to many other shonen protagonists, let alone characters Ichigo can be found wanting in terms of what he brings to what one would call a "versatile" arsenal. While he is versatile in his own right, with the myriad of abilities afforded to his multi-species nature, he does not abuse the full breadth of his potential powerset. In a series of characters who make him look like a super one-trick pony, Ichigo counteracts this with mental combat prowess. Which is alluded to above, lies in his analytical, tactical (simple as they maybe), and coordination skills.
Not unlike before with physicality, a highlighted instance I feel displays this is in Ichigo's final match with Ulquiorra Cifer.
Chapter 341
In the first scan, we see Ichigo can essentially watch Ulquiorra movements as if they were slow motion (not really) and then react to each of them; then placing his evasive moves to not incur any wasted steps.
From there he can analyze, perceive, and then catch Ulq's arm and then overpower it, even landing what could have been a critical blow if not for Ulquiorra's durability and Hierro.
Then Ichigo explains his nature of fighting, as analyzing his opponent in the heat of battle is something he always strives to do. And from that every facet.
For someone like Tatsumaki who consistently seems to employ her telekinesis with her hands and general limb movement,(again, not unlike Byakuya Kuchiki and Sebonzakura) Ichigo being able to spot said movements and predict how she is about to attack or even defend will afford him more opportunities to exploit the gaps in not only Tatsumaki's abilities but her fundamental nature and fighting style. Ichigo himself has described this when in battle with Gin Ichimaru (Ch. 399):
This has also been stated by other characters who are describing Ichigo and his combat prowess such as his narrative foil Ginjo Kujo. (Ch. 476). This does not merely extend to purely physical abilities in case you began to wonder. Take not the first example that was shown was Ichigo detecting, adapting to, and fighting with Aizen's Kyouka Suigetsu. Aizen's sword allows him to create and manipulate hyperrealistic illusions as a barebones explanation. But like I said, this pertains to all types of abilities such as Ulquiorra's Cero (Ch.271). Now, something I'm sure you might be thinking, "Okay but what does this have to do with Tatsumaki? She uses TK." Well, this is all still relevant as Ichigo has encountered and stopped the application of telekinesis in one of his multiple battles with Yhwach.
In short, I think its clear to see why I believe Ichigo has the overall edge in this matchup. In terms of both arsenal and character, I would maintain he has the clear upper hand. While he fights to understand, Tatsumaki seems to be the type whose ego would interfere with her winning conditions before Ichigo. That's not to say she has nothing redeeming or has no tactical capability. To be the number two hero in that universe is something she could not be without them, just I feel Ichigo is better suited to a confrontation of this nature.
As I have hoped to stay true to, I refrained from diving deep into scaling, ability listing, stat comparison, and whatnot. Much of that will be extrapolated upon in my next post. What I wanted was to focus on crafting the argumentation side of this discourse and truly explain why I feel Ichigo has a higher chance of victory. The win conditions for both our characters are quite simple, while I'll let you establish yours, all Ichigo needs to do is breakthrough Tatsumaki's barrier while keeping her telekinesis from restraining and controlling him. Once the barrier is taken down, one decisive hit should enough to decide the match.
With that my friend I'll turn it over to you. Good luck to us both!
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