Why am I doing this? Cause I was bored and love Reed, I decided to randomly face Thor since FF characters are consistently underrated. With that out of the way, let's move on to the debate, since Reed has few feats I will just breeze through each section.
Now for durability, I will concede that Thor is more durable in the classic sense of the word, but in terms of who can take more damage, I think it's either a tie or Reed has the edge. Why? Because Reed has amazing damage soak. For starters when the Thing punched through him by surprise he was unfazed.
And the Thing's punches are pretty potent. He punches Doom across a room so hard that Doom dents metal and makes a door thing fall.
He also survived falling from the side of a building despite being super-heated (which is why he lets go) without maintaining any injuries.
Johnny also survives a fall from a height of around 135 meters (3 story buildings are 13 meters for reference) after switching powers with Reed
Although the fall hurts Johnny, he isn't harmed and gets back up seconds later.
But most impressively, Reed has popped back up after being completely flattened by the Thing, he walks away completely fine.
I only have one good speed feat for Reed but it's pretty good, so here it is. Here Reed reacts to a blast of electricity from Doom.
He can also turn into a wheel for greater mobility.
This is what's going to win him this match, you see Reed's primary tactic for fighting is immobilizing, something he does very well. He is able to completely incapacitate the Thing in a fight.
And in terms of being able to break out of a hold, lifting strength matters more than striking and in terms of lifting, I believe Thing has Thor beat.
As you can see here, Thing (with Sue's help) lifts the London Eye so that Reed using Johnny's powers can wield it. The Lodon Eye weights 2,100 tonnes.
But I won't just scale off Ben, Reed also has other feats...........like he;ping keep the London Eye from collapsing.
And you can tell that Reed helped a ton cause when Johnny forces Reed to let go by switching powers, you can visibly see the wheel tilt further to collapse.
Reed also restrains Doctor Doom and casually at that as he is able to keep talking as he restrains Doom.
A guy who beats Ben in 1v1.
And lastly, Johnny with the powers of the FF, is able to completely restrain Doom who had the SS' powers.
So basically Thor has never faced anyone like Reed before while Reed has faced Doom, a guy with the exact same powerset as Thor (electricity and super stats), which means he will play the same trick he used on Doom o Thor, namely entangle him. But this time instead of asking Johnny to go supernova, Reed either simply waits till Thor tires himself out and concedes or suffocates. Either way, Reed's abilities perfectly counter Thor's, Thor's only hope is to take Reed out before he gets restrained but Reed has the speed and damage soak to contend against of sparkles, long enough for him to get close and entangle Thor.
Contrary to vine belief, Thor is acct. pretty fast.
During Hulk and Thor's Arena's match, Thor was shown to be clearly superior to Hulk in speed. For reference, Hulk is fast enough to catch an RPG which tend to travel at 670 mph.
Thor was also fast enough to react to Hela's small blades. Comparing how far they travel when battling Surtur this should be hypersonic at the very least.
Finally, Thor was able to react to Mind Stone blasts which were which were calced. to be hypersonic during Civil War.
I only have one good speed feat for Reed but it's pretty good, so here it is. Here Reed reacts to a blast of electricity from Doom.
can you quantify this? in your very own post-Reed was tagged by Ben, a slab of rock, and Doom. None of which are casual electricity timers.
I think it's either a tie or Reed has the edge.
Now this I doubt, Thing has good striking sure, but I doubt Thor would even be bothered by his hits. Thor while weakened could tank being caved into a mountain by Iron Man.
and during Hulk and Thor's tussle, Thor was tanking stuff like this.
He also survived falling from the side of a building despite being super-heated (which is why he lets go) without maintaining any injuries.
Survived? K :)
Johnny also survives a fall from a height of around 135 meters (3 story buildings are 13 meters for reference) after switching powers with Reed
oh boy, that it? Johhny was definitely not alright afterward.
I don't plan on really making this a long section. Thor's casual lightning punches were capable of doing this.
can you quantify this?
I'm not gonna do any calcs if that's what you are asking. But I will show Doom's attacks are pretty instant. Here as soon as he flicks his wrists he blasts away Ben and Johnny, you don't even see the blast travel unless you sow down the GIF.
Here is another example of him using instant bolts, here he hits Sue across the room with seemingly no latency.
Compare that to Hela's blades and you can see that Doom's blasts are clearly faster.
in your very own post-Reed was tagged by Ben, a slab of rock, and Doom. None of which are casual electricity timers.
Ben punches Reed because Reed wasn't expecting Ben to punch him, he actually reacted to the slab of rock and chose to stand behind Ben instead of running like Sue and Johnny, probably cause he though Ben would be able to crush the rock just by standing there like what he did with the truck. I also do not know which instance you are referring to with Doom, but if it is the time he tagged Reed to super heat him, that was because Reed was attempting to flee and was caught off guard.
Now this I doubt, Thing has good striking sure, but I doubt Thor would even be bothered by his hits. Thor while weakened could tank being caved into a mountain by Iron Man.
Which are is impressive but we aren't comparing the Thing to these guys, we are comparing damage. In terms of that Reed can be flattened by Sue for a good few seconds and remain unfazed. AKA he is taking more damage relative to his durability and is unfazed, meaning he has better damage soak.
and during Hulk and Thor's tussle, Thor was tanking stuff like this.
But while Thor was flung across the room each time Reed no sold his attack.
Survived? K :)
Unharmed.
oh boy, that it? Johhny was definitely not alright afterward.
Well here he is walking it off right afterward
Not only that but the nature of Reed's powers is to stretch around attacks, so when he is punched his body just expands his body, rolling with the attack, same as when he gets squished, but falling means your whole body is hit with his once force, and you can't stretch around that.
I don't plan on really making this a long section. Thor's casual lightning punches were capable of doing this.
While that is pretty good on paper, in practice I doubt it will work the way you think.
1. The worse that punch will do is contort Reed's face, which isn't going stop Reed since Reed has been flattened and was fine.
Remember, this isn't just Reed's durability vs Thor's striking (and you still have to explain why this doesn't just happen), it's also Reed's recovery/damage soak vs Thor's striking. There is no reason why Reed can't recover from that if it connects, yes Thor's attack is more powerful but the harm it will cause will be the same (or maybe even less since Reed is only getting punched by Thor)
2. Thor never starts out using those attacks, against Hela he waited until he lost his eye to use them.
Compare that to my strategy, engagement, which is the first thing Reed always does.
3. Thor won't get that close. While Thor's reaction speed is equal to Reed's, in order to land this blow he would have to overcome Reed's reaction speed with his combat speed and you haven't shown Thor being that fast in combat. Remember, Reed can react to actual electricity.
Here is another feat for Reed which is a speed, ability and strength feat all in one. Here he catches the Fatasticar mid flight before Doom crushes it
Not only that but how does Thor get a clean hit? Reed is a mid ranged fighter unlike Hulk, and he will only get close when he uses his mobility to get around Thor and instantly wrap him up (as with Doom), where does Reed stand still enough for Thor to land a hit that required Hulk to also be charging at him? No where is the answer.
TLDR: In order for Thor to win he would have to start off with his most powerful attack, tag Reed close up and somehow KO Reed with that attack. Every single aspect of that is iffy at best, as explained above, especially when Reed has the range and mobility advantage.
You didn't counter Reed's entanglement and instead focused on Thor beating Reed before Reed gets the chance, but here's the thing, it takes just 8 seconds for Reed to wrap up Doom.
That is what will happen here. You can argue Thor being harder to entangle, heck you can say Thor will be 3 times harder, or even 7x harder to entangle, but even if that were the case (which it isn't IMO) Reed would only have to last less than a minute to win, 56 seconds to be exact.
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But while Thor was flung across the room each time Reed no sold his attack.
which attack? you mean the one where Hulk, who's striking feats laughably out class Ben's btw, sent him a further distance and obliterated reinforced steel.
Which are is impressive but we aren't comparing the Thing to these guys, we are comparing damage. In terms of that Reed can be flattened by Sue for a good few seconds and remain unfazed. AKA he is taking more damage relative to his durability and is unfazed, meaning he has better damage soak.
I'll get to this in a moment
I'm not gonna do any calcs if that's what you are asking. But I will show Doom's attacks are pretty instant. Here as soon as he flicks his wrists he blasts away Ben and Johnny, you don't even see the blast travel unless you sow down the GIF.
Thor did kinda the exact same thing though.
I would even say Thor's is better due to the Destroyer's beam traveling a further distance and Thor having to do it twice in a row.
and Loki's scepter blast did the exact same thing as well and Thor blocked it from a closer distance.
Ben punches Reed because Reed wasn't expecting Ben to punch him, he actually reacted to the slab of rock and chose to stand behind Ben instead of running like Sue and Johnny, probably cause he though Ben would be able to crush the rock just by standing there like what he did with the truck. I also do not know which instance you are referring to with Doom, but if it is the time he tagged Reed to super heat him, that was because Reed was attempting to flee and was caught off guard.
Dude Reed clearly saw it coming. He's literally following Ben as he moves towards him.
The worse that punch will do is contort Reed's face, which isn't going stop Reed since Reed has been flattened and was fine.
oh boy.
Remember, this isn't just Reed's durability vs Thor's striking (and you still have to explain why this doesn't just happen),
You are seriously comparing The Thing's striking to Thor's? Thor while weakened could send the heavier Iron Man the same distance.
The worse that punch will do is contort Reed's face, which isn't going stop Reed
surely you jest?
since Reed has been flattened and was fine.
seriously you're comparing that to this.
Also regarding Susan, she clearly wasn't even putting even half of the effort she was doing to hold up the London Eye. She just wanted to stop Reed in order to have a conversation with her.
TL;DR Thor's lightning punches through Reed since he has no "damage soak" feats that are even comparable to what Thor did.
Thor never starts out using those attacks, against Hela he waited until he lost his eye to use them.
Dude Thor didn't even know how to activate his Godhood, he learned how to control his powers after he got "The God of Hammers" treatment from Ghost Papa Odin.
So yes Thor will go Thunder Roid Mode and oneshot.
Reed can react to actual electricity.
Real electricity cannot be fired in a controlled manner like that. So no not "actual electricity"
You didn't counter Reed's entanglement and instead focused on Thor beating Reed before Reed gets the chance, but here's the thing, it takes just 8 seconds for Reed to wrap up Doom.
I didn't counter it because I didn't have 2. To perform this, Reed needs much superior reaction timing than Thor, which he simply does not possess, and the power to at least tank one of his hits which you have not proven he can. Thor could also just catch Reed while he's in his rolly form and throw him. Keeping Reed away is not as hard as you are suggesting. He still has a physical form that can be moved around by another person.
That is what will happen here. You can argue Thor being harder to entangle, heck you can say Thor will be 3 times harder, or even 7x harder to entangle, but even if that were the case (which it isn't IMO) Reed would only have to last less than a minute to win, 56 seconds to be exact.
Huh? Also you forgot Thor's body is covered in lightning if Reed attempts the restraint tactic his body is gonna be rapidly attacked by energy. Not only that Thor's lightning blasts were powerful enough to send Hulk to the other side of the arena casually.
this is how large Thor is in comparison to the Arena they are fighting in
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Thor's lightning aura would just pull him off
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