• 56 results
  • 1
  • 2
Avatar image for sovereign91001
#1 Edited by Sovereign91001 (7483 posts) - - Show Bio

@thevivas will be representing bad boy renegade; Sasuke Uchiha

No Caption Provided

@sovereign91001 will be representing Fairy Tail's strongest female mage; Erza Scarlet

No Caption Provided

Tale Of The Tape

Erza ScarletSasuke Uchiha
Height: UndisclosedHeight: 5'6
Weight: UndisclosedWeight: 115 lbs
Occupation: MageOccupation: Criminal/Terrorist
Debut: Fairy Tail: Chapter 10 Debut: Naruto: Chapter 3

Rules Of Combat

  • Sasuke has MS .
  • No Genjutsu
  • Both Combatants have basic knowledge.
  • No Prep
  • Starting Distance 1,000 feet.
  • In Character, but fighting at their best
  • Standard Gear.
  • Four Post Limit.

Fight Location

Frozen landscape (50° F)
Frozen landscape (50° F)
No Caption Provided

Final Note

This a CaV, not a regular thread. Please respect the viners involved in the debate and refrain from stating your opinion on who would win the battle. Feel free to ask for a tag or whatever though.

Avatar image for the_new_avenger
#2 Posted by The_New_Avenger (1582 posts) - - Show Bio

Tag for vote please, i like both of these characters and this should be a good one.

Avatar image for sovereign91001
#3 Posted by Sovereign91001 (7483 posts) - - Show Bio
Avatar image for sy8000
#4 Posted by Sy8000 (34767 posts) - - Show Bio

Tag.

Avatar image for sovereign91001
#5 Edited by Sovereign91001 (7483 posts) - - Show Bio
Avatar image for straight-fire
#6 Posted by Straight-Fire (27173 posts) - - Show Bio

T4V.

Avatar image for sovereign91001
#7 Posted by Sovereign91001 (7483 posts) - - Show Bio
Avatar image for nervmeister
#8 Posted by nervmeister (468 posts) - - Show Bio

Erza's PIS > Sasuke's PIS

The armored asspuller takes the victory.

Avatar image for dark_cloud_
#9 Posted by Dark Cloud™ (4243 posts) - - Show Bio

@nervmeister: Please read carefully, this is a CaV (Challenge a Viner), where two people debate against each other and no one else can comment. You can, however, ask for a T4V (Tag for Vote) and wait til the debate is over to give your two scents and who you thought won.

And, T4V for me.

Avatar image for mrdevil
#10 Posted by MrDevil (3092 posts) - - Show Bio
Avatar image for sovereign91001
#11 Posted by Sovereign91001 (7483 posts) - - Show Bio

@nervmeister: This is a CaV, not a normal thread. Please refer from commenting on the battle itself until the debaters are finished, thanks.

Avatar image for sovereign91001
#12 Edited by Sovereign91001 (7483 posts) - - Show Bio
Avatar image for nervmeister
#13 Edited by nervmeister (468 posts) - - Show Bio

@sovereign91001: My sincerest apologies. I dont know how I missed that. I will take my leave now, so carry on.

Avatar image for sovereign91001
#14 Edited by Sovereign91001 (7483 posts) - - Show Bio
Avatar image for mrdevil
#15 Posted by MrDevil (3092 posts) - - Show Bio

@sovereign91001: i don't think pre MS should be a good match for this battle but hey be my guess. Good Luck both of u.

Avatar image for heatforce
#16 Posted by Heatforce (5490 posts) - - Show Bio

Pre ms sasuke? Ehhh that feels a bit nerfed for sasuke IMO against someone like erza. Oh well good luck.

Avatar image for thevivas
#17 Edited by TheVivas (18975 posts) - - Show Bio

@sovereign91001: Actually, I'll throw something up now. Lol

Sasuke Uchiha

No Caption Provided

Short Bio:

Sasuke Uchiha (うちはサスケ, Uchiha Sasuke) is one of the last surviving members of Konohagakure's Uchiha Clan. Since his childhood, he made it his goal to exact revenge against his older brother, Itachi, who had slaughtered their entire clan. Initially a member of Konoha's Team 7, Sasuke defected from the village to obtain power from Orochimaru, and later affiliated with the Akatsuki, becoming an international criminal in the process

The Basics

  • Expert martial artist.
  • Multiple Fire Style Jutsu.
  • Lightning Jutsu.
  • Sharingan - Can see Chakra, Can copy almost any technique, Precognition.
  • Ninja Tools (Kunai, Ninja Stars, Shuriken, Wire, etc.)
  • Basic Jutsus (Clone, transformation, etc.)
  • Trained Killer.
  • Expert swordsman.
  • Mangekyo Sharingan - allows him to use Amaterasu, a fire jutsu that spawns on the user's target via eyesight and is inextinguishable through normal means.
  • Susanoo - chakra armor that can act as both offense and defense
  • Animal summons (Hawk, snakes, etc.)
  • Supersonic ++ speed.

Now For The Fight

At 1,000 feet apart, I'm just going to assume they start in plain line of sight of each other. At this distance, Sasuke shouldn't have any problem closing the distance quickly or reacting to an attack Erza might send his way. For offense, he has a variety of ways to attack her at a distance, for example his Fire Style jutsu.

Here's his Fireball jutsu:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3

You can see it overpowering Itachi's Fireball jutsu in that last scan. Itachi's jutsu was strong enough to where a clone of him with only 30% of Itachi's actual chakra was able to do this:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2

Carve a trail through the ground and create an explosion that was taller than the trees around the area.

He also can use a Grand Fireball jutsu, which is just a supped up version of the one above:

No Caption Provided

In the red circle is Sasuke, and encased in the red box is his jutsu. As you can see, it is nearly the size of Sasuke's Susanoo, which is this big:

Sasuke is above the red line.
Sasuke is above the red line.

Sasuke also has Majestic Dragon Flame Jutsu in his arsenal if he so happened to choose that route as well:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3

These fireballs were strong enough to completely break through the concrete ceiling of the Uchiha hideout, had enough range to reach all the way to the clouds in the atmosphere, and were hot enough to render Itachi's arm that got burned useless for the rest of the fight. Now I know Erza has her Flame Empress Armor, but I can't think of anything it's really defended against other than Ikaruga's attack. The fact that Sasuke can fire two of these off in a row, though, suggest to me that he could overpower her armor (if he managed to hit her, of course).

Should he choose not to do that, he can just fire off Susanoo arrows at her. These arrow are fast enough to the point where Kakashi can't dodge them, but had to resort to using kamui to teleport them away:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2

Kakashi is fast enough to intercept a bolt of lightning with his Lightning Blade:

No Caption Provided

The fact that Kakashi could intercept a lightning bolt but find Sasuke's Susanoo arrow to be too fast to dodge says something about its speed. It should be able to give Erza fits and prevent her from closing the distance. As for its power, it's strong enough to completely run through Danzo's torso and also the embed itself in the stone bridge underneath him:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2

Outside of Susanoo, Sasuke can also opt to use his Amaterasu jutsu that he gained after his fight with Itachi. These black flames are inextinguishable through normal means and are extremely hard to dodge since it activates on whatever the user has in it's sight (only the Raikage Ay has dodged them due to him being the fastest shinobi in the Narutoverse at the time). These black flames have caused Eight Tales to writhe in pain when inflicted with it, yet he could withstand the effects of his own Bijuu Bomb without any suffering outside of getting bruised and beat up. And on top of using it as an offensive move, Sasuke can also shape and manipulate that fire to whatever he needs, for example here when he manipulated Amaterasu to go around his ribcage Susanoo to protect against the Raikage:

No Caption Provided

With basic knowledge, I'm sure Erza would know about Amaterasu, but were she to charge at him full speed with the full intent on attacking him and he were to activate this technique, this would either stop her in her tracks (which would be perfect for him to launch a counter attack) or she would keep up her attack and end up getting caught on fire with a jutsu that "will never disappear until it burns everything in its path":

No Caption Provided

Now that I'm on the defensive part of the fight, let me showcase Sasuke's defensive capabilities.

The major one is Susanoo:

Loading Video...

Sasuke has about 3 versions to it: Ribcage, Incomplete, and Complete (not sure if these are the official names, but bear with me lol).

His ribcage Susanoo, which was the first one he was able to attain after killing Itachi, was able to protect Sasuke from the Raikage's attack at the very last second:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3

To give a little insight on this attack, the Raikage's right hand man Darui stated that no one before had ever survived that very attack:

No Caption Provided

And that was just his ribcage, which is the weakest defensively out of all his versions of Susanoo. His incomplete version withstood the combined attack of Temari, Darui, Kankuro, and Gaara:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3

And in his complete form, it has tanked attacks from Danzo's Wind style jutsu:

No Caption Provided

Close Distance

Should (or better when) the fight reaches close quarters, Sasuke has even more abilities and techniques to use to secure his win. His main jutsu used in battle for close range would be his Chidori:

Loading Video...

Sasuke has many ways to use Chidori, either by firing needles from his hands, creating a spear to attack at a distance of 5 meters, or just by using the original and running Erza through with it.

He knows how to stream his Chidori through his Kusanagi blade so that it cuts through any other weapon not supported by either chakra or another form of energy, and once it pierces you, he sends his Chidori into your body to paralyze you:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3

Coupled with the fact that he has a bunch of lightning style and fire style jutsu for Erza to worry about, he should be able to score a few hits on her, especially being the expert swordsman he is. Here's an instance of him defeating hundreds of Sound Jounin (it's highly evidenced that he did so solely with just swordsmanship) without getting a single drop of blood on him, all while striking them with non-fatal wounds:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3

And here, taking out about a dozen highly trained Samurai warriors who use the same method of sword-fighting he does (running chakra through the blade) and are trained to fight against shinobi:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2

This, coupled with his speed (reacted to explosions, summoned snakes in time to protect him from explosions, transformed into Curse Seal 2 and flew up to avoid an explosion) would allow him to edge out Erza in close combat.

Not to mention his:

Sharingan

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2

^ Allows him to see things before they happen and grants him the ability to better plan his next move based on what the opponent is going to do next. His Sharingan has also allowed him to predict and react to people faster than him, like with the Raikage:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2

And then with Killer Bee. What makes this so impressive is that Bee remarks that the only person to dodge this attack before was his brother, Ay:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2

He should have no problem reacting to Erza and maybe even throwing her off with his speed, since he's charged forward, sliced a Curse Seal 2 user before he could react, and end up more than a few feet behind him before the man could react:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2

And have the speed to, after stepping on a land mine, transform into his Curse Seal 2 form and fly up out of the explosion to not be harmed at all by it:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3

With this, I believe Sasuke to take a comfortable majority over Erza in this battle.

Your move, man.

Avatar image for thevivas
#18 Edited by TheVivas (18975 posts) - - Show Bio

@sovereign91001: Not finished with that post, should be able to finish tomorrow night though.

Avatar image for sovereign91001
#19 Posted by Sovereign91001 (7483 posts) - - Show Bio
Avatar image for thevivas
#20 Edited by TheVivas (18975 posts) - - Show Bio
Avatar image for sovereign91001
#21 Posted by Sovereign91001 (7483 posts) - - Show Bio

@thevivas: Excellent, I'm working on my opener as we speak, so expect it to be up in the next 24-48 depending on how my free time shakes out.

Avatar image for sovereign91001
#22 Edited by Sovereign91001 (7483 posts) - - Show Bio

@thevivas

All Hail The Queen: Erza Scarlet.

Since it was mentioned in your opener, I figured why the hell not.
Since it was mentioned in your opener, I figured why the hell not.

Erza Scarlet is one of the main characters of the manga Fairy Tail, she is S-class mage and is counted among the elite of her guild. Her strength, mastery of armed/unarmed combat and accolades in battle have earned her the nickname 'Titana' (As in the queen of the fairies). Erza's main usage of magic involves the summoning of various weapons and armors from a pocket dimension, this magic is called 'Requip', Erza's particular style is called 'The Knight'. Erza has access to over 100 different armors and twice that amount of weapons. The armors and weapons allow Erza to enhance her physical abilities and gives her unparalleled versatility, she is well known for her speed in switching between weapons and armor sets.

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3Gallery image 4Gallery image 5

In addition to this Erza is a fairly powerful telekinetic, she mainly uses this to attack with her weapons remotely.

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3

Initial Observations

  • While fully capable of attacking at mid and far range, Erza is a close combat specialist, so with that in mind in character she'll likely bring the fight to Sasuke in CQC
  • I believe the longer the fight goes on the more it turns in Erza's favor. Not only does Erza have excellent stamina the way Sasuke fights with the MS in character will likely be an issue as the fight drags on, Sasuke was not judicious in the usage of the MS, overusing it in battle on several occasions and as a consequence losing his eyesight over a significantly shorter period of time as compared to his brother who managed to preserve his over a period of several years.
  • In terms of physicals, I think Erza has a comfortable edge over Sasuke.
  • Because of the basic knowledge, this fight will likely become a giant case of rock, paper, scissors. That said I think Erza's versatility will win her the day.
  • The fact that Erza's armors let her amplify her stats to how the battle unfolds is a serious advantage.
  • Add to the fact that Erza can attack from any direction at any time, means Sasuke will have to constantly be on defense, lest he catch a stray sword to a body part.

Since you dropped quite a bit of info, I'll be doing this a bit different than how I normally go, I'll lay out counters for the various actions you've listed. I think that'll be for the best.

Fire Attacks.

These fireballs were strong enough to completely break through the concrete ceiling of the Uchiha hideout, had enough range to reach all the way to the clouds in the atmosphere, and were hot enough to render Itachi's arm that got burned useless for the rest of the fight. Now I know Erza has her Flame Empress Armor, but I can't think of anything it's really defended against other than Ikaruga's attack. The fact that Sasuke can fire two of these off in a row, though, suggest to me that he could overpower her armor (if he managed to hit her, of course).

Let's start here. I agree that while if Sasuke were to lead with one of his fire attacks, Erza would likely counter by requipping into Flame Empress Armor. Just to get this out of the way, the Flame Empress armor will reduce the potency of any fire that comes in contact with Erza by half.

No Caption Provided

Sasuke should know this as well because of basic knowledge (Gear+powers). Knowing that he'll only get half of the power of any fireball that he throws, leads me to believe that he wouldn't try to go with this option, unless he just wants to waste chakra. You mentioned Ikaruga as a defense feat for the armor, the problem with using that is that Ikaruga's sword magic lets her cut through practically anything, she can even cut through dimensions:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2

This is what allowed her to one-shot armor after armor in her battle with Erza. When she added flame magic to the attack, the Flame Empress Armor nullified the flames, but the effect of her sword magic still allowed her to break the armor.

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2

Even still if Sasuke decided to let loose fireballs, I'm not convinced he could take Erza down even if she was hit by them, partially due to Erza's amazing durability and stamina. Even without her armor she tanks a massive explosion from Minerva on the magnitude equal to or greater than Sasuke's most destructive jutsus.

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3Gallery image 4Gallery image 5Gallery image 6

Add that to the halving effect of Flame Empress Armor and Fireballs are likely to have a minimal affect on her. To this end the armor actually has tanked Sasuke level fireballs before; namely in her fight against Erza Knightwalker.

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2

That attack as you can see was easily multi city block in scope and Erza was completely unharmed and more importantly her armor did not break as was the case with Ikaruga. Moving on, since I'm already discussing fireballs, I might as well deal with one of Sasuke's big guns: Amaterasu.

With basic knowledge, I'm sure Erza would know about Amaterasu, but were she to charge at him full speed with the full intent on attacking him and he were to activate this technique, this would either stop her in her tracks (which would be perfect for him to launch a counter attack) or she would keep up her attack and end up getting caught on fire with a jutsu that "will never disappear until it burns everything in its path"

Amaterasu is indeed a tricky attack to deal with, however Erza (as usual) have a few things up her sleeve, that could give her an edge. But before I go into that, I'd like to note that often times Sasuke's Amaterasu is telegraphed by the fact that the eye bleeds before it is used an oftentimes Sasuke will close one eye while using it. There are a few other weaknesses to the technique that Erza can exploit, but I'll save those for later.

The first option is to not get hit by it, to that I have the Flight Armor

Meow.
Meow.

As it's cheetah motif suggests, the Flight armor massively enhances Erza's speed, movement and otherwise, she's used it to blitz, counter blitz and as anti blitzing prevenative. Normally Erza can cross large expanses of ground and attack multiple times in an instant, with the armor that is enhanced further. For example:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2

To give you an idea of Erza's base movement and reaction speed, (despite being injured and battle worn) she is able to use high speed movement.

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2

track and dodge Fairy Machine Gun; Leprechaun, a spell from Evergreen.

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3

Her speed should be high enough to avoid being tagged by Amaterasu and allow her to close the distance. I'll talk about the other option in my next post, as this one is humongous already and I still have quite a bit left to go over. Worst case scenario and Erza is tagged, she can requip into another armor saving herself from getting burned by Amaterasu. Amaterasu causes quiet a bit of strain on Sasuke as well, so if he wants to chuck flames at Erza trying to line up a shot, so much the better for her.

The damn Chakra Robot Susanoo

To be honest, this imo is the toughest part of fighting against Sasuke but even still I think Erza has the tools to deal with it.

Erza's base strength is enormous, even at the begining during her intro in the manga she is shown to have massive physical strength.

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2

This is consistently shown throughout the manga and even when wielding a regular sword she was able to slice through metal towers with air pressure alone.

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2

Here it is in motion:

No Caption Provided

To be honest I can't recall any characters in Naruto that have the kind of physical strength that Erza has, that have gone against Sasuke's Susanoo. I do know Raikage was able to shatter a rib of it with brute physical force, but I'd say Erza has superior strength feats to him. So it is in my mind a high possible that she has enough raw physical power to break through Susanoo on her own if she hits with a solid strike or two, even if this is not the case, she has several weapons and armors that could give her the enhanced offense needed to break through the armor. The one I'll be going over in this post is the Piercing Armor. It was able to break through the floating island Cube with little issue:

Loading Video...

It should be noted that Erza was in the fortress, which is on the top side of Cube, so she penetrated through the whole thing. The island was far larger than a mountain and even had its own gravitational pull, so it was huge and dense.

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3Gallery image 4Gallery image 5Gallery image 6

Honestly if she needs to deal with the arrows, I think she has the speed to evade them, even if that isn't the case, how much destructive power do they possess? She might be able to tank a shot or two if need be. I'm sure you saved some of your bigger defense feats so if this isn't enough I have a more powerful option in reserve. :P

Lightning Attacks

Should (or better when) the fight reaches close quarters, Sasuke has even more abilities and techniques to use to secure his win. His main jutsu used in battle for close range would be his Chidori.

Sasuke has many ways to use Chidori, either by firing needles from his hands, creating a spear to attack at a distance of 5 meters, or just by using the original and running Erza through with it.

He knows how to stream his Chidori through his Kusanagi blade so that it cuts through any other weapon not supported by either chakra or another form of energy, and once it pierces you, he sends his Chidori into your body to paralyze you.

Sasuke has the same problem when using lightning attacks that he does with fire ones against Erza, namely she has an armor designed to counter them. In this case The Lightning Empress Armor.

Swanky.
Swanky.

Like it's sister armors (Flame and Sea Empress) it halves the potency of all corresponding elemental attacks that make contact with it. Erza has tanked a direct lightning strike from Laxus and was completely unharmed by it.

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3

Even without it, Erza's superb durability lets her tank lightning strikes. While using her Heaven's Wheel armor (which offers no electrical resistance) she took 200 consecutive bolts of lightning at the same time.

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3

It should be noted that she battled previously, was low on magic power and still wasn't knocked out. To give you an idea of how powerful the lightning was, one bolt was enough to likely kill a person

No Caption Provided

and three hundred was enough to vaporize Magnolia Town completely. To give you an idea how big of an area we're talking about:

No Caption Provided

So yeah I question if Sasuke would bother using Lightning jutsu's when they're effect should be minimal. In addition the Lightning Empress Amor (like the Fire and Sea Empress) lets Erza wield the element it corresponds with so that is something Sasuke will have to watch for.

Sword Mastery.

he should be able to score a few hits on her, especially being the expert swordsman he is. Here's an instance of him defeating hundreds of Sound Jounin (it's highly evidenced that he did so solely with just swordsmanship) without getting a single drop of blood on him, all while striking them with non-fatal wounds:

And here, taking out about a dozen highly trained Samurai warriors who use the same method of sword-fighting he does (running chakra through the blade) and are trained to fight against shinobi:

This, coupled with his speed (reacted to explosions, summoned snakes in time to protect him from explosions, transformed into Curse Seal 2 and flew up to avoid an explosion) would allow him to edge out Erza in close combat.

Sasuke is indeed a master swordsman, however I believe Erza has a clear skill advantage, swords are kind of her thing. And while you did bring up some impressive feats to bear. I think Erza's got the stuff to pull the win.

She is able to use swords with nearly any part of her body, even her feet as she showed against Evergreen able to deflect Fairy Machine Gun: Leprechaun as well as throw her foot blades with enough accuracy to pin Evergreen to the wall.

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3Gallery image 4

She's been able to dispatch large numbers of enemies with a single slash on multiple occasions, most recently she cleared out the entire rear flank of an army by her self.

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2

Erza has more time with the sword as compared to Sasuke, having practiced with it since her magic first manifested when she was a young child, she uses it in nearly all of her fights and added to the fact that she doesn't even have to touch Sasuke to land a fatal hit gives her a huge advantage should they cross blades. I'll save the bigger stuff for a little deeper in the debate.

The Sharingan

While Sasuke's tracking eye and movement reading should allow him to keep track of Erza, however the fact that Erza has AOE on her slashes are still a large problem that he'll have to deal with and I'm not sure he has an answer to.

The summary (aka TL:DR)

  • Erza has counters for most of Sasuke offense.
  • She should hold an edge in physicals and sword skill.
  • She should have enough power/speed to take him out.
  • Her versatility is going to be keeping Sasuke on his toes.
  • There are a lot of other points I want to bring up but this post is long enough and I'll save it for the next one.

As a reward for the readers who persevered through this monster, here is a little of the sexy fun times.

Aww yeah!
Aww yeah!

This is probably the longest post I've ever made, it's feels like I wrote a damn short story lol. With that I'll toss it to you.

Avatar image for superkon
#23 Posted by SuperKon (45 posts) - - Show Bio

Wait is this before or after he got sage of six paths power up

Avatar image for sovereign91001
#24 Posted by Sovereign91001 (7483 posts) - - Show Bio

@superkon said:

Wait is this before or after he got sage of six paths power up

Well before. That was at the end of the series.

Avatar image for stormshadow_x
#25 Posted by StormShadow_X (15929 posts) - - Show Bio

Tag me so hard.

Avatar image for sovereign91001
#26 Posted by Sovereign91001 (7483 posts) - - Show Bio
Avatar image for stormshadow_x
#27 Posted by StormShadow_X (15929 posts) - - Show Bio

@sovereign91001: If I could hold down a CAV (My laptop won't let me :/) I was hoping of doing this CAV as well as Gajeel Vs. Sasuke Cobra Vs. Deidara and Gray Vs Gaara. So seeing someone else do this especially two people who I know are good debaters just makes me feel good :p.

Avatar image for sovereign91001
#28 Posted by Sovereign91001 (7483 posts) - - Show Bio

@stormshadow_x: Thank you and I'm sure I speak for @thevivas when I say we'll look forward to seeing your thoughts on how we did. :)

Avatar image for superkon
#29 Posted by SuperKon (45 posts) - - Show Bio

This is a tough one but I I think sasukes susanoo saves him

Avatar image for sovereign91001
#30 Posted by Sovereign91001 (7483 posts) - - Show Bio

@superkon: Please read the last part of the OP, that is in big bold letters.

Avatar image for thevivas
#31 Edited by TheVivas (18975 posts) - - Show Bio

@sovereign91001:

Sweet opener! However, it seems it's time to counter...

No Caption Provided

Counters

Let's start here. I agree that while if Sasuke were to lead with one of his fire attacks, Erza would likely counter by requipping into Flame Empress Armor. Just to get this out of the way, the Flame Empress armor will reduce the potency of any fire that comes in contact with Erza by half.

Sasuke should know this as well because of basic knowledge (Gear+powers). Knowing that he'll only get half of the power of any fireball that he throws, leads me to believe that he wouldn't try to go with this option, unless he just wants to waste chakra.

Yes, I am aware of the half power thing. Sasuke's major uses of Fire jutsu, though, aren't really to end the fight with that jutsu. Forcing Erza to equip her Flame Empress Armor to defend or block his Fire style attack leaves her open a counter attack, like how Sasuke forced Itachi to dodge his Fireball only to charge at him with a Chidori:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3

I recently just caught up with Fairy Tail (it's freaking amazing lol) but I can't seem to think of an instance where Erza has requipped fast enough to react to/defend against an attack of this speed. Or he can do what he did against Deidara, where he blitzes behind Erza after he fires the huge Fireball:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2

You mentioned Ikaruga as a defense feat for the armor, the problem with using that is that Ikaruga's sword magic lets her cut through practically anything, she can even cut through dimensions:

Ah forgot about that. I'll concede that point then. Lol

Even still if Sasuke decided to let loose fireballs, I'm not convinced he could take Erza down even if she was hit by them, partially due to Erza's amazing durability and stamina. Even without her armor she tanks a massive explosion from Minerva on the magnitude equal to or greater than Sasuke's most destructive jutsus.

That's true. If anything, they'll just knock her back.

As it's cheetah motif suggests, the Flight armor massively enhances Erza's speed, movement and otherwise, she's used it to blitz, counter blitz and as anti blitzing prevenative. Normally Erza can cross large expanses of ground and attack multiple times in an instant, with the armor that is enhanced further

Not bad, but does that really put her in the same tier as Raikage?

Worst case scenario and Erza is tagged, she can requip into another armor saving herself from getting burned by Amaterasu.

That's only if Amaterasu hits just her armor, though. If it latches onto her skin, which I'm pretty sure it would, I don't think requipping would get rid of it.

This is consistently shown throughout the manga and even when wielding a regular sword she was able to slice through metal towers with air pressure alone.

Fortunately, Sasuke has already countered a technique such as this while fighting the Samurais:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2

Here he deflects sword slashes from a samurai that cut through the pillars of the room they were in.

To be honest I can't recall any characters in Naruto that have the kind of physical strength that Erza has, that have gone against Sasuke's Susanoo. I do know Raikage was able to shatter a rib of it with brute physical force, but I'd say Erza has superior strength feats to him

To be fair, Raikage was been described by Naruto to hit with the force of "a million tons":

No Caption Provided

Or here, breaking a White Zetsu's neck by clenching his fist:

No Caption Provided

And even then, Raikage only broke the ribcage Susanoo, which is the weakest of all the versions of Susanoo. Despite that, Raikage was so hellbent of killing Sasuke after he thought Sasuke had captured his younger brother, he was ready to sacrifice one of his arms in order to get to him. Otherwise, he wouldn't have attacked Sasuke after he lit his Susanoo on fire with his Amaterasu. I'm not so sure about Erza, but I don't know if she would be willing to sacrifice an arm or both in order to attack him if he does this:

No Caption Provided

Not to mention he was able to react to the Raikage without even looking at him in time for him to activate it. If this were any other version of Susanoo, he could have easily struck back:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2

This version of Susanoo was able to cut through all the pillars in the room they were in to the point where the whole ceiling caved in, and where Gaara had to create a large sand shield to protect Temari, Kankura, and himself, and was able to bury the Raikage and his aides.

Or with it's punches, which are strong enough to break and leave a large crater in the bridge him and Danzo were fighting on:

No Caption Provided

For a size comparison, Sasuke's Susanoo's hand is just as large as Danzo:

No Caption Provided

It's also strong enough to completely crush Danzo in its palm:

No Caption Provided

The one I'll be going over in this post is the Piercing Armor. It was able to break through the floating island Cube with little issue:

While that is an impressive feat, Sasuke can either:

  • fire one of his Susanoo arrows at it
  • dissolve Susanoo and dodge it himself
  • use his Susanoo shield to block it

This shield of his was strong enough to defend against Danzo's (most likely) strongest attack:

No Caption Provided

Or if anything, Sasuke would dodge dissolve it and dodge the attack like he did when Danzo fired his Air bullets at him:

No Caption Provided

He could've activated Susanoo in order to defend against it, but he instead to chose to (most likely) preserve some chakra and evade the old fashioned way. With basic, Sasuke should know the destructive capabilities of Erza's Piercing Armor, and shiuld theoretically opt to dodge instead of tank the attack.

Honestly if she needs to deal with the arrows, I think she has the speed to evade them, even if that isn't the case, how much destructive power do they possess?

The arrows are able to completely run the Danzo and run through a thick tree and embed itself in the stone behind it:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2
No Caption Provided

She might be able to tank a shot or two if need be

No Caption Provided

Not too sure about that one man...

Sasuke has the same problem when using lightning attacks that he does with fire ones against Erza, namely she has an armor designed to counter them. In this case The Lightning Empress Armor.

Even without it, Erza's superb durability lets her tank lightning strikes. While using her Heaven's Wheel armor (which offers no electrical resistance) she took 200 consecutive bolts of lightning at the same time.

While these are very impressive feats, the only difference is Sasuke doesn't actually fire lightning bolts, he used his lightning chakra nature to amplify his weapons, pierce opponents, paralyze enemies, etc. Tanking lightning bolts is nice, but does she have what it takes to "tank" his Chidori sword that could cut right through Danzo?

No Caption Provided

Or his Chidori Eisu?

No Caption Provided

Which can also be used to do this, if it were to make contact:

No Caption Provided

And due to the nature of chakra shape manipulation, Sasuke can increase the power of his jutsu:

No Caption Provided

Here's the nature of Sasuke's Chidori, in that it's a stab amplified to the max. Erza's armor have have been enough to tank a lightning bolt, but at the same time, this jutsu was used to cut an actual lightning bolt before:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3Gallery image 4

With this, I think it's safe to say Sasuke should be able to cut through Erza'a armor, even if it's tailored made to counter lightning. To my knowledge, she doesn't have any piercing resistance feats in that armor (feel free to provide them scans though). As posted above, his chidori has the power to pierce through rock, Naruto's V1 chakra cloak, multiple torsos, and even Raikage's lightning armor.

Erza has more time with the sword as compared to Sasuke, having practiced with it since her magic first manifested when she was a young child, she uses it in nearly all of her fights and added to the fact that she doesn't even have to touch Sasuke to land a fatal hit gives her a huge advantage should they cross blades

Again, super impressive, however I don't think you've countered Sasuke's Kusanagi blade. It's been stated to be unblockable (only been blocked by chakra before) and I don't think Erza's Lightning Armor would stop it, seeing as how it only "lessens" the damage done by lightning, not cancel it. If anything, I see her swords receiving the same treatment Yamato's kunai received:

No Caption Provided

Without Erza streaming some sort of energy through her weapons, I don't think they'd be safe around his Kusanagi blade. And he's also faced off against Killer Bee equally for a brief time, a person who is also a master swordsman and utilized around 8 swords in his fighting style:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3Gallery image 4Gallery image 5Gallery image 6

His Kusanagi blade coupled with his own supreme skill will allow him to keep up with and eventually defeat Erza, imo.

While Sasuke's tracking eye and movement reading should allow him to keep track of Erza, however the fact that Erza has AOE on her slashes are still a large problem that he'll have to deal with and I'm not sure he has an answer to.

His Susanoo can answer most of her AOE, and he can also summon a large hawk for flight/transportation if need be:

No Caption Provided

Erza, however, doesn't really have an answer for his Sharingan in close quarters.

Erza has counters for most of Sasuke offense.

She should hold an edge in physicals and sword skill.

She should have enough power/speed to take him out.

Her versatility is going to be keeping Sasuke on his toes.

There are a lot of other points I want to bring up but this post is long enough and I'll save it for the next one.

Although you did raise some good points, I believe I did my best to counter most of them. I'll be looking forward to your other points, though, cause I also have a few up my sleeve. Haha

But for now, I await your reply.

No Caption Provided

Avatar image for sovereign91001
#32 Posted by Sovereign91001 (7483 posts) - - Show Bio

@thevivas: right on, expect a reply in the next 2-3 days as my weekends are pretty busy.

Avatar image for thevivas
#33 Posted by TheVivas (18975 posts) - - Show Bio
Avatar image for the_new_avenger
#34 Posted by The_New_Avenger (1582 posts) - - Show Bio

Very good arguments from both sides.

Avatar image for sovereign91001
#35 Posted by Sovereign91001 (7483 posts) - - Show Bio

@thevivas: Sorry, been swamped. I'm gonna need another day or so, but I'm about 50% done with my post.

Avatar image for thevivas
#36 Posted by TheVivas (18975 posts) - - Show Bio
Avatar image for sovereign91001
#37 Edited by Sovereign91001 (7483 posts) - - Show Bio

@thevivas Sorry for the wait, but I'm back. I'm gonna format this one a bit differently than my previous post since I think I can conslidate a few points, hopefully it'll make for a more concise read.

Post 2: Kickin' it up a notch!

The Heaven's Wheel Armor...don't worry it'll come up at some point in this post.
The Heaven's Wheel Armor...don't worry it'll come up at some point in this post.

Speed + Amaterasu Counter #2

Not bad, but does that really put her in the same tier as Raikage?

IMO without a doubt, in fact given Raikage's rather hard to quantify speed feats I'd argue she might even be faster, and to accentuate that point I'll bust out a another feat for the Flight Armor.

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3Gallery image 4Gallery image 5

I even cut a video so you can see it in motion.

Loading Video...

You'll notice that she was able to requip while she was being blitzed and I've previously shown that she can react and requip to Knightwalker's explosion magic despite having no forewarning, so I think that should be sufficient to not only further cement Erza's reaction times but to answer this another query of yours:

I recently just caught up with Fairy Tail (it's freaking amazing lol) but I can't seem to think of an instance where Erza has requipped fast enough to react to/defend against an attack of this speed. Or he can do what he did against Deidara, where he blitzes behind Erza after he fires the huge Fireball

I'll further elaborate on that in my next section, but I want to point out that Erza has also used her Flight Armor to keep up with Racer who's time altering magic allowed him to move so fast he appeared invisible and to have teleportation. I don't really see much of an argument that could prove that Raikage is faster than Erza, however since I don't believe in putting all my eggs in one basket I'll move onto Erza's other potential defense against Amaterasu.

The Heavy Artillery
The Heavy Artillery

Erza's Adamantine Armor is arguably her strongest defensive Armor it famously withstood a direct blast from the magic cannon Jupiter before shattering. To give an idea of what Jupiter is capable of here are a few feats:

It put a hurting on Makarov, blasting a hole through his arm, even though he was in giant form. Makarov is one of the Ten Wizard Saints, making him one of the strongest mages on the entire continent of Ishgar and well known for his durability. So the fact that Jupiter was able to inflict that much damage on him is quite impressive.

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3Gallery image 4

And most recently Jupiter even when scattered was able to one-shot a fleet of building sized ships.

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3

Next:

No Caption Provided

As you can see when Erza crosses her armors sheilds together they form an energy barrier. If the barrier cannot outright block Amaterasu (I don't see why its destructive capability aren't as large scale as Jupiter) then the barrier will, Amaterasu has no energy burning feats to my knowledge, and even if it could penetrate the barrier, All Erza has to do is move her shields apart allowing Amaterasu to fall to the ground.

Counterattack capabilities

To be fair, Raikage was been described by Naruto to hit with the force of "a million tons":

I'd say that is most definitely hyperbole, he simply doesn't have the feats to support that statement, however if that wasn't the case I think cleaving through a mountain+ sized island, dense enough to have its own gravitational field (seemingly equivalent to 1g) would definitely take more than 500 tons of force (equivalent to the 1,000,000 pound statement).

Here he deflects sword slashes from a samurai that cut through the pillars of the room they were in.

The difference is that as I recall the Samurai's swords glow with enfused chakra, Sasuke's Sharingan will allow him to see that and react to it accordingly. He doesn't have that benefit with Erza, the air pressure is not a result of magic or any based energy (I'm assuming equivalency between our characters as chakra doesn't exist in Fairy Tail and magic doesn't in Naruto and wouldn't want to be unfair to you) so he couldn't read it, it is simply raw physical strength, his eye shouldn't let him be aware of this as he shouldn't have a way of tracking air pressure. She swings, he blocks or dodges, he gets opened up by the massive AOE of the slash, granted it's not a trick she can continually rely on given Sasuke's keen intellect/strategy abilities but she should only need to use it once (assuming he's not in Susanoo).

With basic, Sasuke should know the destructive capabilities of Erza's Piercing Armor

Absoluetly.

and shiuld theoretically opt to dodge instead of tank the attack.

This ties into another query of yours so instead of answering it twice I'll address it together.

Sasuke's major uses of Fire jutsu, though, aren't really to end the fight with that jutsu. Forcing Erza to equip her Flame Empress Armor to defend or block his Fire style attack leaves her open a counter attack, like how Sasuke forced Itachi to dodge his Fireball only to charge at him with a Chidori.

I recently just caught up with Fairy Tail (it's freaking amazing lol) but I can't seem to think of an instance where Erza has requipped fast enough to react to/defend against an attack of this speed. Or he can do what he did against Deidara, where he blitzes behind Erza after he fires the huge Fireball:

If Sasuke attacks or dodges in a manner consistent with what you've described Erza's got a trick (when doesn't she lol) she can use to not only defend with but to counterattack against him, she can summon a sword rain on him, although this is mainly seen when she uses Heaven's Wheel Armor, she need not requip to it to do so, she has pulled this trick before against Midnight.

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3

Given that she has telekinetic control of the swords, she can put them where they need to be to skewer Sasuke if he tries to draw her offside so he can counterattack. If he is busy deflecting, dodging swords that allows Erza to press her attack forward any number of ways. This also serves to discourage Sasuke from dropping his Zord Susanoo willy nilly, knowing that Erza can attack him from distance if need be, even without requipping to one of her distance based armors. I believe I covered the speed thing above when she managed to requip while she was being blitzed and against an explosion.

he can also summon a large hawk for flight/transportation if need be

Likewise she can sword rain a Hawk. Not to mention about half of her armors grant her flight, so fighting in the air is something Erza is very comfortable doing.

The arrows are able to completely run the Danzo and run through a thick tree and embed itself in the stone behind it:

Impressive penetration, to block that I believe requiping to Adamantine Armor would likely provide the needed defense. Although given her speed, I haven't ruled out dodging.

Lightning Shenanigans

Part of this has to do with my poor explanation last post, in my defense I was exceptionally tired but I'm gonna clear up a couple points.

While these are very impressive feats, the only difference is Sasuke doesn't actually fire lightning bolts, he used his lightning chakra nature to amplify his weapons, pierce opponents, paralyze enemies, etc. Tanking lightning bolts is nice, but does she have what it takes to "tank" his Chidori sword that could cut right through Danzo?

Two points here:

1.) Danzo has no particular cutting resistance that I'm aware of, so cutting him is in effect cutting a normal human body.

2.) The piercing, paralysis etc. effects of any lightning jutsu Sasuke brings to bear will be effectively halved.

Here's the nature of Sasuke's Chidori, in that it's a stab amplified to the max. Erza's armor have have been enough to tank a lightning bolt, but at the same time, this jutsu was used to cut an actual lightning bolt before:

I'll say as someone who has extensively debated Kakashi on the 'vine I've never been all that impressed or really used that feat for several reasons, the one I'll talk about this time is the fact that it is fairly nebulous and doesn't really show piercing power, lightning is a plasma and as such has no real cutting resistance, if you had a strong enough piece of solid matter and the reflexes to do so, you could cut a bolt of lightning. the Gaara sand feat is much more impressive (as it's quantifiable) imo but in any event it's fair to say that a normal Chidori can cut through iron or steel without to much fuss. Halved though? Although it might be a bit nebulous I believe it will provide a problem that there isn't any real answer too.

Again, super impressive, however I don't think you've countered Sasuke's Kusanagi blade. It's been stated to be unblockable (only been blocked by chakra before) and I don't think Erza's Lightning Armor would stop it, seeing as how it only "lessens" the damage done by lightning, not cancel it. If anything, I see her swords receiving the same treatment Yamato's kunai received: Without Erza streaming some sort of energy through her weapons, I don't think they'd be safe around his Kusanagi blade.

It'll outright dispel the damage if it is less than the armor is capable of tanking, I showed that in my previous post. Likewise against Laxus the armors shields flat out dispelled his lightning shot. The Spear of Lightning lets her channel Lightning Magic through it as well. So channelling energy isn't a problem. To get to Erza though in addition to the armor, he'll have to deal with her shield.

Here is a gif, apologies for the fracked up speed, I twiddled with it but I couldn't get it right (it's about 20% faster).

No Caption Provided

And he's also faced off against Killer Bee equally for a brief time, a person who is also a master swordsman and utilized around 8 swords in his fighting style:

Fair.

The Laser Option

Erza, however, doesn't really have an answer for his Sharingan in close quarters.

Morning Star Armor.
Morning Star Armor.
Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3

As the name and motif implies this armor takes after the Sun and as such can fire photonic energy, as such it should be a light speed attack and thus above Sasuke's ability to track or dodge. The attack is at least fast enough to hit Knightwalker who seems to be Erza's physical equal, so I don't see why Sasuke would be able to avoid it. The effectiveness ccould be debated if he is in Susanoo but without that armor, I believe it could be a game ender. I touched on it earlier but Heavens wheel armor is another option as well, the sheer number of swords (shown to be at least 200, stated to be at least 300) Erza can summon is going to make it hard for Sasuke to do to much of anything against her in CQC and she has complete telekinetic control over them as well.

I think that sums up everything for this one, again sorry for the delay. Looking forward to your post, next round I'll bring out Erza's three biggest guns (apropos for my third post) and best feats, all of which could be game changers imo. Look forward to it. :P With that I'll toss it back to you.

Avatar image for thevivas
#38 Edited by TheVivas (18975 posts) - - Show Bio

@sovereign91001: Nice! I'll get a reply up soon.

On a side note, I really hope Erza doesn't do something too crazy in the next chapter, that would be kinda bad for me haha

Avatar image for sovereign91001
#39 Posted by Sovereign91001 (7483 posts) - - Show Bio

@thevivas: lol. She has a new second origin release :P

Avatar image for thevivas
#40 Edited by TheVivas (18975 posts) - - Show Bio

@thevivas: lol. She has a new second origin release :P

I knew it! Lol

But back to the debate.....

No Caption Provided

IMO without a doubt, in fact given Raikage's rather hard to quantify speed feats I'd argue she might even be faster, and to accentuate that point I'll bust out a another feat for the Flight Armor.

Even faster? Hmm that's a bold statement man, and although I wouldn't be opposed to it, I have my doubts of her being faster than him during the Edolas arc.

One of his easiest to gauge speed feats would be dodging a point blank blast from Jugo:

Loading Video...

But to get a better understanding of Raikage's speed, you have to look at other characters and their speed, mostly Minato and Naruto. Raikage has already remarked to Naruto (when he first attained KCM state) that with Minato dead, he was the fastest ninja in the world:

No Caption Provided

This shows Minato, mainly with his teleportation and reaction speed, was faster than Raikage, and we see this on two accounts:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2
Gallery image 1Gallery image 2

And we know Minato;s teleportation is fast enough to allow him to take out 50 enemy ninjas in the time it takes one to blink (evident by one of Konoha's ninjas telling another "don't blink, or you'll miss it") :

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2

And then, my favorite:

No Caption Provided

Obito is known to kamui people the very instant he touches them, making any contact with him very dangerous. Minato not only allows him to touch him, but teleports at the exact same time in order to get above him and slam him with a Rasengan.

When confronting Naruto, Raikage powered up to his max speed in order to test if Naruto had the speed to dodge, which he ended up having (skip to 22:30):

Loading Video...

In order for Erza to be faster than the Raikage, she would have to have Naruto's speed in KCM and be just as fast Minato's teleportation, which I don't think she is.

You'll notice that she was able to requip while she was being blitzed and I've previously shown that she can react and requip to Knightwalker's explosion magic despite having no forewarning, so I think that should be sufficient to not only further cement Erza's reaction times but to answer this another query of yours:

I'm not sure I saw her requip in time to react to a blitz in that video or those scans or the video.. all I saw was Erza getting attacked by Knightwalker, requipping to her Flight Armor, and then attacking Knightwalker herself. She didn't react to Knightwalker's attack in time to requip, she just blocked it and then requipped to counterattack. For the explosion magic, I think you're referring to this part:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2

If you're not, my mistake. Lol. But here we can clearly see Knightwalker jumping at her and Erza even remarks "the shape of the weapon's been changed", giving her enough time to requip herself. This, however, isn't really fast enough to prove that she could requip in time to react to a Chidori blitz after a Fireball jutsu. Even if she did requip in time to react to the explosion, Sasuke's been faster than that since the Chunin exams, outspeeding Gaara's sand when that same sand has protect him from point blank explosions.

Erza's Adamantine Armor is arguably her strongest defensive Armor it famously withstood a direct blast from the magic cannon Jupiter before shattering. To give an idea of what Jupiter is capable of here are a few feats:

No need to get into that one, honestly. Lol.

If the barrier cannot outright block Amaterasu (I don't see why its destructive capability aren't as large scale as Jupiter) then the barrier will, Amaterasu has no energy burning feats to my knowledge, and even if it could penetrate the barrier, All Erza has to do is move her shields apart allowing Amaterasu to fall to the ground.

I can agree with that. I also can't recall any energy burning feats for Amaterasu, but I also believe Erza wouldn't find the need to requip to this bulky armor just to block Amaterasu. Yes, his eyes start to bleed when using it, but that's only the first time. After he uses it once, she'll have no way of telling when it's coming next because her tell tale sigh (his eye bleeding) won't be there anymore.

I'd say that is most definitely hyperbole, he simply doesn't have the feats to support that statement, however if that wasn't the case I think cleaving through a mountain+ sized island, dense enough to have its own gravitational field (seemingly equivalent to 1g) would definitely take more than 500 tons of force (equivalent to the 1,000,000 pound statement).

Although it could very well be hyperbole, he still has other great strength feats (bursting through the floor during the Kage summit to reach Sasuke, punching through Jugo's shield and into his body, elbowing Jugo across a large room strong enough to create a crater into a wall, breaking Madara's ribcage Susanoo, etc.) to say that Sasuke's weakest Susanoo tanking his ground and pound is an impressive feat.

And that island they were fighting on wasn't mountain sized. At most, I'd call it city sized at best:

No Caption Provided

This is the island they were fighting on. If it were mountain sized, I don't think we'd be able to see buildings in the circles from this distance.

The difference is that as I recall the Samurai's swords glow with enfused chakra, Sasuke's Sharingan will allow him to see that and react to it accordingly. He doesn't have that benefit with Erza, the air pressure is not a result of magic or any based energy (I'm assuming equivalency between our characters as chakra doesn't exist in Fairy Tail and magic doesn't in Naruto and wouldn't want to be unfair to you) so he couldn't read it, it is simply raw physical strength, his eye shouldn't let him be aware of this as he shouldn't have a way of tracking air pressure.

No way of seeing it, true. But the gif has shown Evergreen dodging the slashes, and subsequently the effects of it. Sasuke should be way faster than Evergreen, and all it would take is one dodge and him seeing the effect of the attack to put his guard up. Sasuke's already dodged attacks that utilize air pressure before (back in part 1) while carrying Sakura and Naruto to safety:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3

Even though he wouldn't be able to necessarily see the attack, if he manages to somehow not dodge fully, he can erect his ribcage Susanoo in time to protect him:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3
Activates ribcage Susanoo in time to save him from being slammed into the ground.

There's also many cases of Erza clashing swords with someone or having someone block her slashes and the other person wasn't hit with an AOE attack.

Given that she has telekinetic control of the swords, she can put them where they need to be to skewer Sasuke if he tries to draw her offside so he can counterattack. If he is busy deflecting, dodging swords that allows Erza to press her attack forward any number of ways.

Indeed, however Sasuke's Susanoo should easily deflect that, or he could dodge it with his speed. I've already posted above Sasuke reacting fast enough to step on a land mine, activate his Curse Seal 2, fly up, and evade the explosion from that mine.

This also serves to discourage Sasuke from dropping his Zord Susanoo willy nilly, knowing that Erza can attack him from distance if need be, even without requipping to one of her distance based armors

I'm not so sure. Even after fighting the Kages and having only a short time t heal his wounds and replenish some chakra, his whole fight against Danzo was done at long range with him sitting in his Susanoo. Danzo was only able to maneuver him into close range because of Izanagi and the need to dispel that jutsu.

Likewise she can sword rain a Hawk. Not to mention about half of her armors grant her flight, so fighting in the air is something Erza is very comfortable doing.

True. And I doubt he'd go out of his way to save it. Lol

Danzo has no particular cutting resistance that I'm aware of, so cutting him is in effect cutting a normal human body.

Maybe, but what piercing resistance feats does Erza have?

His spear is also strong enough to pierce rock:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2

And from before, we know that you can increase the cutting ability of your weapon or jutsu by adding shape manipulation. For example, here's Kakashi cutting right through a large boulder:

No Caption Provided

And we've already seen Sasuke cutting through Raikage's Lightning armor. This armor was durable enough to withstand being teleported at the speed of light:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2

With this technique, Mabui is able to transport objects anywhere at the speed of light. When being transferred, the object is engulfed in light and moves to any desired destination through a narrow beam, reminiscent of a bolt of lightning. In all instances the technique was shown, the object transported was placed onto a sort of platform.

Although typically restricted to inanimate objects, the technique can be used on living organisms as well, including humans. However, as the body is unable to handle the speed involved in the transfer, they would normally be ripped to shreds as a result. Most notably the Third Raikage, with his extreme durability, was thought to be the only person able to endure the technique unharmed.[2] However later on, the Fourth Raikage and Tsunade both managed to survive it, although the latter suffered several minor injuries while the former suffered none.

No Caption Provided

Even cutting the damage in half shouldn't prevent him from piercing her armor.

The piercing, paralysis etc. effects of any lightning jutsu Sasuke brings to bear will be effectively halved.

Halving the effect of his paralysis would still hinder her, though. Anything that would make her even a tiny bit slower means she would have to rely more on blocking than dodging and would have to worry about Amaterasu even more.

To back up the paralysis point, were she to be paralyzed, she would be more susceptible to Sasuke shurikenjutsu. He's super skilled at using shuriken in combat, and regularly used against his enemies pre-MS.

He has seals on wrappings around his wrist that he can use to summon shuriken (large or small) to aid him in battle:

No Caption Provided

Here's a description of the technique:

No Caption Provided

The speed at which this technique can summon weapons from that is incredible. During his fight with Itachi, Sasuke was able to summon a large shuriken before Itachi could wield hand signs:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2

Itachi's hand sign speed is fast enough to allow him to create a Shadow Clone to sneak up on Kurenai literally right after he kicker her:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2

As well as make a Shadow Clone during his shuriken clash with Sasuke (although I'm inclined to believe that he created it after, but that's just me:

No Caption Provided

Here's the speed of the shuriken clash:

No Caption Provided

His speed is also fast enough to create signs for a Water style attack against Kakashi, trick him with shuriken, then create a Shadow Clone to go behind Kakashi. In reality, though, the one that went behind Kakashi was the real one:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3

So all in all, Sasuke has the summon and throwing speed to prevent Itachi from making more than two handsigns. With this seed, he'll definitely throw Erza off.

But that's not where it ends! Coupled with the insane speed, he can also summon hundreds of small shuriken (from the gif above):

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3

All Erza would need to do to block this is use of one her shields, but then that leaves her open to Sasuke's lightning style. He can run lightning through his shuriken when need be:

No Caption Provided

Were Erza to attempt a block, Sasuke would run his Chidori through the shuriken, making the shuriken run through her body like above.

Were she to dodge, Sasuke could use Shadow Shuriken jutsu to create a second one to attack her:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2

On top of that, he can rig the shuriken to fire out of blades:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2

Were she to dodge them altogether, Sasuke could continue fighting and end up pulling the strings to make the shuriken come back from earlier like he did against Deidara:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3Gallery image 4Gallery image 5Gallery image 6Gallery image 7

A summary of events:

  • Deidara sees Sasuke tensing up to fly, sends a bomb after him.
  • Sometime before that, Sasuke summons two large shuriken and throws them in the distance. Or he summons it after the explosion before the dust settles.
  • Sasuke blocks the explosion with his wing, then pulls the strings to bring the shuriken flying towards Deidara.
  • Deidara dodges the shuriken.
  • Sasuke runs over, jumps on his sword, and shoots out his chidori spear, cutting of Deidara's dragon's wing.
  • As Deidara is floating down on the clipped dragon, Sasuke pulls the strings again to have them pin Deidara;s arm to his dragon.

I have my doubts as to how Erza could defend against a strategy like this.

it's fair to say that a normal Chidori can cut through iron or steel without to much fuss. Halved though? Although it might be a bit nebulous I believe it will provide a problem that there isn't any real answer too.

But of course. Gaara's sand could deflect needles capable of piercing 5 mm of steel:

No Caption Provided

Part 1 Sasuke's Chidori could pierce through that, so I'm more than positive even a halved Chidori from MS Sasuke could pierce steel as well. Esepically since he learned shape manipulation.

The Spear of Lightning lets her channel Lightning Magic through it as well. So channelling energy isn't a problem.

But that's just the Lightning Armor. She isn't going to be fighting him the whole time in that one armor, no?

To get to Erza though in addition to the armor, he'll have to deal with her shield.

Yes, the shield is impressive. However, unlike Laxus, Sasuke won't sit there after firing it. He can either choose to use this jutsu:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3

And then either go into a Susanoo attack, shuriken attack, or try to speedblitz her from behind.

Erza using Lightning against him shouldn't affect him much, he's already tanked lightning attacks after being doused in water:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2

As the name and motif implies this armor takes after the Sun and as such can fire photonic energy, as such it should be a light speed attack and thus above Sasuke's ability to track or dodge.

Woah, easy there man. Light speed attack? That early in the series? I'm not sure if I buy it.... there are attacks in Naruto that also use "light" or are described as light speed:

No Caption Provided

Summoning: Lightning Blade Creation* (口寄せ・雷光剣化, Kuchiyose: Raikou Kenka)

Ninjutsu, B-rank, Supplementary, Short range (0-5m)

User: Uchiha Sasuke

A variety of sealed battle tools

At the request of their master, they make their appearance!!

This is a kind of "ninja tool summon" that, by sealing ninja tools like swords or kunai into, for instance, a scroll or one's clothes beforehand, allows them to be called upon when needed. The greatest advantage of this technique is that the time between "taking out" a ninja tool, taking the right "stance" and actually "throwing" it is greatly reduced. The ninja tools are thrown with the actual speed of a "flash of lightning," ruining the opponent's outset of the battle, and snatching away the initiative...!! Furthermore, because the summonable ninja tools can remain hidden until right before they are used, if this technique is mastered, there are an exceptional number of possible tactics.

[picture of Sasuke summoning 2 shuriken from his wrists

↑Just by touching the "marks" that can be drawn anywhere, the ninja tools are summoned in an instant!!

Now is the time to win or lose!

Returning to my hand is a long-serving warrior's tool!!

[picture of Sasuke summoning a giant shuriken]

↑When a weapon is summoned, the time needed to throw it can be further shortened by having prepared the weapon in fully extended form beforehand.

*The "blade" is usually translated as "sword". However, this "sword" shouldn't be interpreted as merely meaning "sword". The meaning extends to practically all sharp weapons. Even shuriken fall under this (the last kanji in shuriken is the same as the kanji for "sword" in this name). I chose to translate it as "blade" to capture the broader meaning.

Also, the exact meaning of this name would be "Lightning sword-ification". With the "lightning" referring to the speed at which it happens. The "lightning" doesn't refer to the electricity of lightning, though. It specifically refers to the flash of lightning.

No Caption Provided

Kirin* (麒麟, Kirin)

Ninjutsu, S-rank, Offensive, Long range (10+m)

User: Uchiha Sasuke

The neighing of an angry divine beast goes down in an attack that shakes the Heavens and moves the Earth!!

The technique Sasuke thought out, said to be the culmination of the Lightning nature. First one uses a technique from the Fire Release line, like the Great Dragon Fire,** to radically heat up the atmosphere, creating a violent updraught. The updraught creates cumulonimbus clouds*** and from the cumulonimbus clouds breaks forth lightning...!! One changes the shape of this lightning, guides it to the target, and uses it to destroy the enemy in a roar that makes even the Heavens tremble. Because this ninjutsu makes good use of a natural phenomenon, one can invoke it using only a small quantity of chakra. Sasuke, aspiring to become the pinnacle of shinobi, finally tamed even "lightning" itself~~.

The enemy is destroyed by the sound of thunder!

[picture of the lightning in the shape of the Kirin]

[picture of the Kirin hitting its target]

↑←The lightning is formed into the shape of the legendary divine beast "Kirin" and used to attack the target! This lightspeed attack is impossible to evade. The enemy will be obliterated before they can even blink!!

No Caption Provided
No Caption Provided

The secret techniques of the Samurai sparkle on the battlefield -- all to sharpen their blade

The Samurai who protect Iron country, they spend most days aiming to devote oneself to the study of sword techniques. To directly attack the enemy they study how to most effectively use their body as a tool in such a way that their movements are quicker than those of Shinobi, additionally they are determined to polish their blades through sword technique mastery. Now in the present time, they test out their katana skillfulness on the stage of the Fourth Great Ninja War!! It's their destiny... When released on the battlefield their sword techniques achieve maximum brilliance, their chief Mifune is a general, they were brought up through multiple wars, and the power of the Samurai spread to many nations. By means of their military arts, they disciplined others in the existence of the Samurai of the Iron country!!

Sword techniques that have been handed down in the Iron Country. The skill of the Samurai is released, steel bisection.

"Issen" (or Flash) - is what Mifune announces his technique as in the posted panel and sets up the context of the next bit of text -

Speed of light sword slash flies and assails the enemy! A single blow from the sword techniques of mifune's meitou (legendary sword) Kurosawa comply with this!! (I.E. making the force of the slash fly by moving the sword at the speed of light).

http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=52273945&postcount=1035

"Lightspeed attacks", mostly all of them, but are they really? No. Not a chance. Especially the samurai example. Lol

If that attack were truly lightspeed, I don't see why she wouldn't use it after that fight against, well, everyone. No one should be able to dodge it, so why not? Why would she hold it back?

The attack is at least fast enough to hit Knightwalker who seems to be Erza's physical equal, so I don't see why Sasuke would be able to avoid it.

If it was a lightspeed attack, that would mean Knightwalker and Erza can both react to lightspeed attacks (Knightwalker reacted in time to cut the blast, according to Erza) . . .

The effectiveness ccould be debated if he is in Susanoo but without that armor, I believe it could be a game ender.

We haven't really seen the effect it had, though, since Knightwalker cut the blast. She hasn't used it since, to my memory.

I touched on it earlier but Heavens wheel armor is another option as well, the sheer number of swords (shown to be at least 200, stated to be at least 300) Erza can summon is going to make it hard for Sasuke to do to much of anything against her in CQC and she has complete telekinetic control over them as well.

Indeed. However, were she to use that, she would be open to fire or lightning based attacks that Sasuke can use while still in Susanoo.

I think that sums up everything for this one, again sorry for the delay. Looking forward to your post, next round I'll bring out Erza's three biggest guns (apropos for my third post) and best feats, all of which could be game changers imo. Look forward to it. :P With that I'll toss it back to you.

It's all good man haha. I'm looking forward to your next post as well, man! Although, do you want your next one to be the final post since I started?

Avatar image for stormshadow_x
#41 Posted by StormShadow_X (15929 posts) - - Show Bio

This is going to be one of the greats

Avatar image for sovereign91001
#42 Posted by Sovereign91001 (7483 posts) - - Show Bio

@thevivas Wow, that was quick lol.

It's all good man haha. I'm looking forward to your next post as well, man! Although, do you want your next one to be the final post since I started?

Sure, I can cut it short one, I'll just wrap my conclusion in at the end. Plus I burned through my feats a bit faster than I thought I would lol.

This is going to be one of the greats

Thanks, I feel comfortable speaking for @thevivas by saying we're both putting a lot of work into this one.

Avatar image for thevivas
#43 Edited by TheVivas (18975 posts) - - Show Bio
Avatar image for sovereign91001
#44 Posted by Sovereign91001 (7483 posts) - - Show Bio
Avatar image for chazz85
#45 Posted by Chazz85 (5201 posts) - - Show Bio

T4V also is sasuke current?

Avatar image for thevivas
#46 Posted by TheVivas (18975 posts) - - Show Bio
Avatar image for chazz85
#47 Posted by Chazz85 (5201 posts) - - Show Bio
Avatar image for thevivas
#48 Posted by TheVivas (18975 posts) - - Show Bio
Avatar image for great_black_star
#49 Posted by great_black_star (3328 posts) - - Show Bio

T4V dude.

Avatar image for sebast_allen
#50 Posted by Sebast_Allen (2727 posts) - - Show Bio