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The Emerald Archer
The Emerald Archer

VS

The Head of the Demon
The Head of the Demon

Rules:

  • Hand to Hand only.
  • Suits from pictures.
  • In Character.
  • No Prep.

Takes place here.

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#2 Posted by ArkhamAsylum3 (3445 posts) - - Show Bio

TAEP and T4V.

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#3 Posted by RBT (27218 posts) - - Show Bio

Name a better duo than Sub and RF.

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#7 Posted by CelestialKnight (1460 posts) - - Show Bio

TAEP and T4V

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#8 Posted by TheSuperor (6384 posts) - - Show Bio

T4V

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#9 Posted by Subline (7024 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:

Name a better duo than Sub and RF.

TonyMartial & 616 Thing.

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#11 Edited by deactivated-5c6891767abb2 (1820 posts) - - Show Bio

Amellforce vs Neesonforce ❤

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#14 Posted by JacenSolo77 (1271 posts) - - Show Bio

JS and RBT take priority but I'll get to this sometime within the year.

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#15 Posted by JSDoctor (1495 posts) - - Show Bio

TAEP - nice opener.

JS and RBT take priority but I'll get to this sometime within the year.

Lmao "within the year".

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#16 Posted by JacenSolo77 (1271 posts) - - Show Bio

@jsdoctor: I like to work at things slowly lol, I don't enjoy rushing or deadlines.

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#17 Posted by ANTHP2000 (25870 posts) - - Show Bio

Oliver isn't even emerald

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#18 Posted by blackpantherisb (6994 posts) - - Show Bio

T4V

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#19 Posted by Subline (7024 posts) - - Show Bio

@jsdoctor said:

TAEP - nice opener.

JS and RBT take priority but I'll get to this sometime within the year.

Lmao "within the year".

Exactly what I was thinking lmao.

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#20 Edited by Subline (7024 posts) - - Show Bio

Oliver isn't even emerald

Bad joke, Widowbite.

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#21 Posted by Slade-Prime (1285 posts) - - Show Bio

@subline said:
@jsdoctor said:

TAEP - nice opener.

JS and RBT take priority but I'll get to this sometime within the year.

Lmao "within the year".

Exactly what I was thinking lmao.

Cue *anime sweat drop* and also nice opener @subline

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#22 Posted by nfactor1995 (12831 posts) - - Show Bio

T4V

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#23 Posted by ANTHP2000 (25870 posts) - - Show Bio

@subline said:
@anthp2000 said:

Oliver isn't even emerald

Bad joke, Widowbite.

Whatever Lime.

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Oliver Queen / Green Arrow:

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Biography:

My name is Oliver Queen. For five years I was stranded on an island with only one goal... survive. Now I will fulfill my father's dying wish, to use the list of names he left me and bring down those who are poisoning my city, to do this I must become someone else... I must become something else.

- Oliver Queen.

Strength:

As most would believe, Green Arrow has a clear strength advantage: lifting and striking wise, I agree with this opinion as Ra's lacks little to no strength feats. Oliver has achieved some feats that are on the highest end of peak human strength. This will mean putting Ra's down will require less hits than the opposite, giving Oliver an advantage. I don't think you'll dispute against the idea of Oliver being stronger so I'm not going to spend too long here.

Striking Power:

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In this gif Oliver kicks down a door that has been padlocked shut. Ra's does not have a single feat comparable to breaking something as strong as metal.

As well as this feat, Oliver has shown the ability to break several different structures too such as a brick wall, by kicking a man's head clean through it.

Additionally, Oliver also has quite a few feats against established opponents, here Oliver kicks Rene into a tree essentially one shotting him, the same strike caused Rene to go to the hospital and have a severe back injury.

Another established opponent to face Oliver was Cyrus Gold, who was an enhanced being with superhuman physical characteristics. Oliver repeatedly staggers this Superhuman, again displaying great strength.

Lifting Strength:

As for lifting strength, I can't actually remember a single feat from Ra's. Whereas Oliver has these in spades.

Durability:

As for durability, Oliver also has a clear advantage. Ra's durability feats consist of him taking hits from Batman, a weaker opponent than the Green Arrow himself. Luckily, quite the opposite is true in Oliver's case, he's taken hits from much stronger beings and kept fighting.

Green Arrow takes 7 hits from a Mirakuru Amped Deathstroke during their fight on the island, this is particularly impressive because Slade is capable of punching into a man's chest, a feat far beyond the capabilities of Ra's al Ghul.

Green Arrow shrugs off dozens upon dozens of hits from a pissed off Barry Allen, who as pointed out before was capable of busting punching bags.

Oliver has also repeatedly taken hits from a superhuman, Cyrus Gold, he shrugged off this hit that sent him flying and took this hit too without much issue.

From this we can more than conclude that it's going to take Ra's a lot of hits to put down Green Arrow, whereas Oliver won't require as much, this instantly makes skill and speed the most important areas for Ra's if he is to land so much hits and put down Oliver.

So without further a due, let's move on to these areas.

Speed:

Speed is one of Oliver's strongest areas, Ra's doesn't have much of his own speed feats but I assume you will be scaling him to Batman, but rather than addressing that now, I'll leave that for counters and just lay out some of Oliver's feats first.

Oliver consistently arrow times in the show, in one of his most impressive feats he catches an arrow while initially having his back turned, this is something I can't see Ra's or Batman replicating as they have nothing close to a feat like this.

In a similar feat, Oliver hits an Arrow out of the air with a flechette, but unlike a regular arrow time, Oliver here moves at around the same speed as the arrow itself, while all other people appear frozen. Making this a great showing of reflexes and movement speed.

As for combat speed, Oliver has taken out 3 established opponents consecutively, and although non of them are quite on Ra's level, they were all trained and the numbers advantage they had makes it quite impressive.

H2H Skill:

I believe this is the closest category between the 2 combatants, and I don't view the gap as relatively large. Unfortunately for Ra's, due to his inferior physical position, he's going to need a huge skill advantage in order to land the amount of hits he needs to, in order to put Oliver down before the opposite happens. However, I believe Oliver will land around the same amount of hits but each hit will be more impactful due to his striking power.

Oliver puts down 7 of Talia's trained Ninjas without being tagged.

Oliver takes out 4 Argus Agents while enclosed in a tight area.

It doesn't take Oliver very long to defeat Talia al Ghul in H2H.

Oliver straight up fodderizes Joe Wilson, the same guy who took out 2 Argus Agents with ease in a Simulation, and although it's a simulation, it was designed by Argus to be as realistic as possible, and it's not above his level as he's taken out 4 Argus Agents including John Diggle granted he was armed with a melee weapon.

Beats Wild Dog, Mr Terrific & Artemis in a few seconds.

Conclusion:

To conclude, Oliver is physically superior to Ra's which will have a huge effect on this battle, he hits much harder and has taken hits from stronger opponents meaning that Ra's will have to land a lot more hits on Oliver to put him down than the amount Oliver needs to put Ra's down, this will mean that Ra's must have a huge skill / speed gap, but this simply isn't true. Oliver is the faster combatant and additionally is on the same tier of skill, the gap is minimal if even present.

Green Arrow wins and is disappointed at how inferior this Ra's is to his own Ra's.

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#26 Posted by Slade-Prime (1285 posts) - - Show Bio

@subline: Thats fine. Lmao at that last tid bit.

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#27 Posted by ArkhamAsylum3 (3445 posts) - - Show Bio

Mediocre opener imo...

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#29 Posted by JacenSolo77 (1271 posts) - - Show Bio

I concede, for I cannot be bothered to continue this debate.

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#30 Posted by Slade-Prime (1285 posts) - - Show Bio

I concede, for I cannot be bothered to continue this debate.

Lol, hoping you haven't forgotten about the Nolan Batman Vs CW GA CaV with JS.

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#31 Posted by JacenSolo77 (1271 posts) - - Show Bio

@slade-prime: Nah, that's a debate I'm really enjoying and I owe it to JS to finish lol.

I've had the writing part done for weeks now lol, it's just I'm lazy when it comes to source insertion.

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#32 Posted by Slade-Prime (1285 posts) - - Show Bio